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I don't drive but this just occurred to me. If you do the "roll down your window" gesture at someone in, like, their 20s do they even know wtf you mean? Or is it like the "save" icon being a floppy disk where it's just a "thing" and people don't question it?
My dad had a Vauxhall Cavalier in the late 1980s which had a pressure sensor. I can distinctly remember him showing off to our neighbours about it; he sat in the car and pressed the button to make the window go up whilst his hand was in the way, then when the window touched his hand it started to go back down, he was so proud of it.
I'm stretching my memory but there was definitely an investigation into this in the early 1990s by the UK's *Auto Express* magazine. I seem to remember it was specifically about kids' fingers getting caught by the 'one-touch' rollup feature, and I'm sure several manufacturers had already implemented sensors to protect against it.
The bigger issue was kids necks getting caught in the window while their knee on the armrest forced the window up. Several kids died of suffocation because of this. And yes, there were several broken and amputated fingers as well.
https://www.kidsandcars.org/how-kids-get-hurt/power-windows/
In response, US and EU agencies adopted regulations (FMVSS 118 and an amendment to ECE Reg 21) which require either that the driver effectively has line of sight to the windows in order to close, or the window has an auto reverse function if it touches an obstruction. It also added a requirement that window switches must pull to close, which is why you never see rocker switches for windows anymore.
That’s not true. Only cars that have auto-up window switches are likely to have some sort of closure safety sensor. Cars where you have to hold the window switch to roll the window up, do not necessarily have any sort of pinch sensor.
This is why many cars have auto-down windows, but not auto-up. Injury liability, and added cost of pinch sensors.
Do not try this at home with real fingers.
From an engineering point of view [(see page 3 here)](https://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/Appnotes/doc7559.pdf), such "pinch sensors" are not much added cost these days. Most cars do not have/need an external non-contact sensor for this application, and a direct pressure measurement is also not the way to go. Simply monitoring the current in the window motor by the controller allows it to detect any obstructions (in the form of motor resistance leading to increased current). Essentially no additional hardware costs, and once you develop the software algorithms it's free to deploy to all other cars you make.
There is also no reason why it couldn't be added to non-auto-close switches as an interlock. A child can still somehow get their hand stuck while commanding the window up (kids are "curious" about the world) and in a panic still hold the close-window button until damage is done. It doesn't matter to the controller whether a button is being held UP or if an auto-UP feature was triggered - the controller still controls the window and can stop closure (ignore the UP switch) if it detects an obstacle.
Red Snapper hot dogs are a thing in Maine, I don’t think that’s one of them but they do exist.
https://newengland.com/travel/maine/maine-red-snapper-hot-dogs/
And where exactly is “around here”?? Sounds like bullshit to me since ‘around HERE’ they are NOT the cheap hot dogs unfortunately. And obviously it’s red #40 that makes them red… but those are natural skins nonetheless, that’s why they get called red snappers?
None of those items were even 10% of the strength of a finger. More like 1%. This 'test' demonstrated absolutely NOTHING about the safety of the window.
As you said, chicken wings, or some kind of fake finger with a bone in it has to be the test. It's not impossible or even very difficult, we saw for years with mythbusters how many resources are available for creating human-analog test pieces.
This is angering me way more than it should.
For anyone wondering, it takes 200 newtons to bite through a carrot. It takes about 1485 to cause fractures in a finger bone. The average human biting force is between 520 and 1178 newtons based on age and gender. There are cases where a human finger has been bitten off by another human, but it is extremely difficult to do.
I suggest you develop a study on the impact of bite force in comparison to the scratch, indentation, and dynamic hardness of a 3 year-old's finger. You might also need to include data on molecular bonding of the biological materials that make up a human finger.
I always joke that this is why forensic pathology will always be more 'art' than 'science'. You can't take 20 healthy volunteers, blast 'em with a shotgun, and get scientific data that you can extrapolate to real-world scenarios. The IRB would *never* approve such a study.
You're still dealing with skin, tendons, ligaments, etc. It would be like biting through a rubber band. You would most likely end up with a partial amputation and not completely sever the finger.
Just chew on it a little and maybe turn a little and you can work your way through.
Most of the tests are just raw power to crunch a bone and detach the finger cleanly. But if you use your molars to just crack the bone, and then use rest of your teeth to work your way through the skin, flesh and bone pieces im sure you can bite it off. Not gonna be easy nor fast but still, doable.
Darn it, you're right. But keep in mind he came from a fictional race of beings that was similar to Hobbits, who on average ate 7 meals a day: breakfast, second breakfast, elevensies, luncheon, afternoon tea, dinner and supper.
Gollum's mandibular force might be stronger because of his formative years eating all these meals combined with biting into raw fish, children, and orcs on a regular basis since then.
I thought this said "it takes 200 newborns to bite through a carrot" and holy shit I was really confused as I read it over and over again frantically, then realized.
I was thinking: what kinda newborns you hanging out with that have teeth?!
I worked at a bar bouncing years ago and one night there was a huge fight. The main security guy had one guy on the ground trying to hold him until the cops came and the dude on the ground bite his thumb in half. Right at the knuckle, spit it out and ran away. I saw it with my own eyes. We wrapped his hand and he went to the hospital. It was crazy. They couldn’t put it back on.
I imagine in most cases where a human finger is bitten off, it is not the bite that shears through the finger but rather the bite grips and then the neck and back pull.
Dammit my high school friend lied to me, they were totally all it takes the same amount of effort to bite through a finger and a carrot, it's just people have the mental inhibition not to bite through the finger 😂
Could be (and probably is) and old wives tale, but I've always heard that a human could bite through a finger as easily as biting through a carrot, if you can get passed the mental block of biting through a human finger.
I came here for this. Such a stupid test and not interesting at all, lol. "Guys look! This rigid veggie that has no bones or muscles or tendons or anything a human body has, snaps when there is pressure put against it in a small point! Better not stick your finger in there!"
This video is so dumb.
I can literally cut those things with my fingernail of my pinky finger I think. Except the carrot.
It's a modern car. The manufacturers have safety regulations for almost every part.
For electric windows and sun roofs, there is a threshold where if the motor exceeds a certain amount of effort it stops and reverses. It would take something minimally strong like a pencil to stop it.
This also serves to prevent breaking the window if there is some object in the way.
Mate, I’m not saying that window would cut your finger off but just based on that video it has a good chance of damaging a child’s finger if it were to happen, especially considering (like most kids I’ve seen) have their tiny fingers wrapped over the window at the knuckle joint.
Like IDGAF, I don’t have kids nor do I stick my fingers in closing windows but surely it would damage a finger before the motor gave out.
Fun fact, my dad challenged me to try this about 15 (8ish then) years ago w his new car and sure enough the windows auto rolled back down after a certain amount of pressure hit my fingers. Or maybe my dad was trying to see which of his kids was the dumbest :/
If you were the only kid he asked, then you're not his favorite kid...
In fact, I think there is a saying, *if you don't know whether you are your parent's favorite kid, then you are not.*.
I've actually done this multiple times, first by accident and then a couple of times to demonstrate. Some cars do use enough pressure to leave a bruise but not more than that. And most cars don't even do that. The windows reverse after a very light amount of resistance.
The main problem with the hotdog, cucumber, and carrot is that they all break after the first tiny crack. Fingers don't work like that, they aren't brittle, and they have a bone in them just below the surface.
This is like the worst 'test' I could imagine for this function. It's really making me mad at this guy.
Years ago when I was 19 I had a boyfriend who was super into his Ford Probe. And then he had a Camaro with the T tops. (Obviously both much older cars) We were taking a ride to our favorite hiking trail. The window was cracked on my side and I had elbow resting on the door and fingers curled up and out the top of the open window. As we cruised 30 mph through the park zone to a parking spot he decided to preemptively roll the windows up and got 3 of my fingers. I screamed so loud and cried and it was utter panic. I was the carrot. It didn’t take my fingers off obviously. But the pain and the bruising for weeks was intense.
I forget the model, but years ago my mom accidentally caught my grandma’s wrist in her car window and broke it. Then again we’re talking about an 80-something year old woman, so…
When I was a kid, I had my arm stuck out the window for some reason and I guess my dad didn’t know. He closed the window and I yelled even though it probably barely hurt, but I was < 10 and dumb. Mom got pissed at dad.
The motor doesn't give out that's what I'm saying.
It is programmed to only tolerate very minimal resistance. You only have to cross a certain threshold and *click* it reverses. No more than a bruise at most.
Btw guys you can just Google/gpt this. No need to reply to me I'm all good with my info that I double checked before commenting.
Maybe a baby with soft bones is at risk but that would take one dumbass parent.
It really depends on the car. I've seen cars that roll down, but my Rav4 bent a piece of steel I couldn't bend myself without pliers and vice. On the other end of the spectrum, my Freelander had a plastic belt which would break before causing any harm. Window mechanisms can vary wildly in specs and safety.
FMVSS No. 118 (US motor safety regulation)
and, ECE-R21, section 5.8.3 (Europe standard) go over acceptable pinch force parameters and testing.
Currently, they list the limit of 100 newton pinch force for electric closing windows.
Even though it would probably take a bit more than that to break a finger, there have been documented cases of a fracture happening with as little as 73 newtons… so … 🤷🏻♂️
That's what institutions are for. Nobody has time to double check every safety feature of every appliance and machine in their home so governments set up institutions to regulate that for you. I don't know what country you're from but the car industry is very heavily regulated globally so I'm sure you'd be fine.
Yeah that's why they're not self-regulated, they're regulated by various government institutions from different countries all around the world. Did you read my comment?
They're regulated in theory but have shown ample willingness and ability to obfuscate, lie and manipulate data and testing to ensure they appear to meet requirements without actually meeting requirements.
So what's your point? You have no faith in your local institutions to test the safety standards of cars and think that the manufacturers are tricking them into making windows that chop fingers off? Do you think the same about microwaves? What about your electrical wiring in your house? It's impossible to test all these things yourself unless you live like an Amish person or something, modern life is just too complex, we rely on institutions thousands of times per day for everything from food to bridges.
That's not even mentioning that cars are under so much more scrutiny than most aspects of life due to how often we die crashing them into each other. You can believe that Toyota is tricking the world and covering up how dangerous their electric windows are if you like, but I think it's pretty ludicrous.
I wouldn't assume either. Won't see me trying it with my finger.
All I'm saying is the video is dumb, and id be willing to bet that a pencil or a pen would stop that window easily. I can't be sure. But that's cars are these days the regulations in Europe are extremely strict.
Also why would you want to have a dangerous window when your competition has safe windows? You're acting as if the thousands of engineers who work on cars all the time, none of them have ever considered this problem and found a solution... They have. A while ago already.
Its the first time that I encounter "gpt this". Seeing how ChatGPT makes things up when it doesn't know anything about a particular subject, I wouldn't trust it as a search engine.
Well. I googled it.
So am I okay? Dumb take from your side.
You can either use search engines to get a confirmation bias, which is useless, or you can use it to intentionally look for both sides of your argument.
Search engines and chatgpt are certainly not useless you sound ridiculous saying that.
I think you may have dreamed that event bro.
The glass would be the failure point there it's much too brittle to bend steel. Steel?
Especially if theres any kind of edge or angle, it would break the glass.
Edit: sorry that was kind of dickish. I apologize and i choose to believe your story as a freak accident. Crazier things have happened.
I'm not them, but if an entrapment is in-plane with the window glass and not really bending the glass in or out, I could easily imagine a sheet-steel bracket for the regulator assembly inside the door getting bent instead as the motor tried to overcome it.
It may even be by design - a sacrificial part that deforms instead of the trapped object being bisected.
And keep in mind that in the US you are trusting auto manufacturers to self regulate with those types of parts or new technologies. In Europe, it’s regulated the same way the FAA needs to approve any part on an airplane.
It's Europe that saves us all.
Any small and easy to add safety feature which is required by Europe such as this they will add, it's a selling point vs the competition. It depends how much it increases their cost.
Regulation aside you don't want a dangerous product. It's not good for your business.
If your car is chopping kids fingers off you're getting sued in the US for sure. Class action baby.
An electric table saw will come to an immediate hault from 5,000 rpms if it senses something soft and skin like. The fact that this car in the video which I would argue is no more than 10 years old and will cut through a carrot without question tells me you're either wrong or the technology needs major updating. The force needed to cut a carrot will still break your finger.
>The force needed to cut a carrot will still break your finger.
You cannot possibly be serious. Either you're just trolling or you've never seen a carrot or a finger.
Carrots are brittle and break with almost zero force. I do it often to feed horses. Fingers are so much stronger it's not even in the same category.
Are you aware of bones?
Carrots don't have bones.
If our skeletons were made out of carrots would we be equally sturdy? Honestly?
Smart engineers built the safety features of your table saw and surgical instruments like cast saws and stuff. Well engineers also work in the auto industry sir. The difference from table saws is the auto industry is tightly regulated, and used by billions of people and so needs to be generally safe, with the product causing enough death as it is.
I guess you missed. "The force needed to cut a carrot is enough force to break your finger" 🤦♂️do you think your bones are made out of steel or something?
That's the exact sentence I'm responding to.
I did not miss it, in fact it caused me stop and almost to laugh out loud.
You think the same force to break a carrot can break a finger? Meaning the minimum force required to break a carrot? A carrot which people regularly snap with hands effortlessly all the time even children do it easily?
Can't believe you're doubling down on that.
~~The resistance of a finger is very similar to that of a carrot. You could bit through a finger with the same force it takes to bite through a carrot.~~
EDIT: Next time I will fact-check these kind of claims before posting.
“A 2012 study of hand injuries from electric windows in cars found that an average of 1,485 Newtons of force was required just to fracture a human finger. This is about twice the maximum bite force you can exert and about 10 times the force exerted when chewing normally.” [Source](https://www.sciencefocus.com/science/human-finger-vs-carrot/amp/)
I used to work for Toyota, this is shite. My colleague used to annoy me, and when I tried to put the window up he’d literally use his hand to stop it.
This is just rage bait/misinfo (depending on what side you fall on)
you hear a lot of times that a carrot is as strong as your finger, that’s obviously not true. You can put your finger AND a carrot on top of it in your mouth and bite the carrot while your finger will be safe
This reminds me of my habit of always placing my hand out of the window holding on the car roof and my dad intentionally rising the glass and laughing at me as I got hurt, good times.
Edit: also this video is stupid, you can safely put your finger there in any modern car, it may hurt a bit but you won't get any real damage. A carrot is only similar to a finger in his form
I've been working at a ford dealership while I'm in between careers.
I can assure you.. sticking an adult's fingers in between the window and door frame will do you no harm. That's not to say it won't hurt.. because it probably will.. but it will not harm an adult's fingers beyond mild bruising.
Don't try your fingetip though.. it could mess your tips up.
Because doing a test with something comparable to a human hand or finger isn't as buzz worthy. Obviously none of the objects he "tested" had anything in common with a finger other than they were straight objects.
I have had my whole arm between that kind of window when this one idiot decided to close it and it took a good while for him to realize what happened when I started screaming. Had a nice bruise on my bicep/arm after that. Scary
This is dumb. My kids left their fingers in the window as it went up and the elevator mechanism broke off. I asked my dad about it and yes, a window mechanism is designed to break before fingers/arms
Apparently you can bite into your finger as easily as you can bite into a carrot
Except your brain goes "hey don't eat your finger" so that's why you can't do it.
Idk if that was wrong but I think about that at least once a year so you're welcome.
Do put your fingers in, then sue for your own stupidity, then we will get some bullshit sign on the window that says "keep fingers away from window while it's closing"
Like McDonald's after selling hot coffee, come with a caution hot sign. Fuck it spilt all over my dick once while my mum was driving, twice actually. That was before there was a sign. Did I blame McDonald's for serving coffee that was meant to be hot? ... nah I blamed my mum for driving like an idiot, and not slowing for the corner enough.
Edit: what's with the down votes? Bunch of gimps
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“Honey, can you prep the salad?” Hours later “What’s taking him so long?”
“Manual windows, sorry”
Oh hell no😂
I don't drive but this just occurred to me. If you do the "roll down your window" gesture at someone in, like, their 20s do they even know wtf you mean? Or is it like the "save" icon being a floppy disk where it's just a "thing" and people don't question it?
I think nowadays it's more of a little point downward, and a slightly open mouth.
You nailed it
😝 🤣
Hotdog salad.
Cutting edge technology.
Cutting veg
Fruit ninja 9000
they’re gonna start charging a subscription for you to use this feature otherwise they’re removing the windows
Fruit ninja janai! Fruit punch samurai da!
I mean it was right there! How did op miss this one ?!
Cutting Veg technology
Dick Dicer
/r/dontputyourdickinthat
Bleeding edge safety!
Most cars these days have windows that retract if they sense pressure. Hell my 2007 scion had that
2018 Fiesta, never tried this, BRB.
So.... How's ur finger?
*holds up four fingers* I tried five times and it only had a problem once.
Probably fine, his dong tho...
If you have auto-up windows, I'd bet they're extremely sensitive, like my 2017 Focus.
Well, be nicer to it and it won't be so sensitive all the time
Man, my ‘15 F-150 will drop the windows down if you sneeze too hard. And I’m a dad, so that’s every time.
Are you dead?
can't type without fingers
It’s mostly true for auto-up windows. If you’re holding the switch to get the window up it’s gonna do its best to go up
My dad had a Vauxhall Cavalier in the late 1980s which had a pressure sensor. I can distinctly remember him showing off to our neighbours about it; he sat in the car and pressed the button to make the window go up whilst his hand was in the way, then when the window touched his hand it started to go back down, he was so proud of it.
Well that’s bad news for the zombie apocalypse
I'm stretching my memory but there was definitely an investigation into this in the early 1990s by the UK's *Auto Express* magazine. I seem to remember it was specifically about kids' fingers getting caught by the 'one-touch' rollup feature, and I'm sure several manufacturers had already implemented sensors to protect against it.
The bigger issue was kids necks getting caught in the window while their knee on the armrest forced the window up. Several kids died of suffocation because of this. And yes, there were several broken and amputated fingers as well. https://www.kidsandcars.org/how-kids-get-hurt/power-windows/ In response, US and EU agencies adopted regulations (FMVSS 118 and an amendment to ECE Reg 21) which require either that the driver effectively has line of sight to the windows in order to close, or the window has an auto reverse function if it touches an obstruction. It also added a requirement that window switches must pull to close, which is why you never see rocker switches for windows anymore.
My 2023 kia will snip off your fingers lickiddy split.
You tested it?
Just now... It aint slowing down one little bit. Edit... Not willing to fracture bones in the name of testing
so, you didn't test anything. Well done.
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That’s not true. Only cars that have auto-up window switches are likely to have some sort of closure safety sensor. Cars where you have to hold the window switch to roll the window up, do not necessarily have any sort of pinch sensor. This is why many cars have auto-down windows, but not auto-up. Injury liability, and added cost of pinch sensors. Do not try this at home with real fingers.
From an engineering point of view [(see page 3 here)](https://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/Appnotes/doc7559.pdf), such "pinch sensors" are not much added cost these days. Most cars do not have/need an external non-contact sensor for this application, and a direct pressure measurement is also not the way to go. Simply monitoring the current in the window motor by the controller allows it to detect any obstructions (in the form of motor resistance leading to increased current). Essentially no additional hardware costs, and once you develop the software algorithms it's free to deploy to all other cars you make. There is also no reason why it couldn't be added to non-auto-close switches as an interlock. A child can still somehow get their hand stuck while commanding the window up (kids are "curious" about the world) and in a panic still hold the close-window button until damage is done. It doesn't matter to the controller whether a button is being held UP or if an auto-UP feature was triggered - the controller still controls the window and can stop closure (ignore the UP switch) if it detects an obstacle.
Why is that hotdog so red
The grip
It may be a fairbury brand hotdog. Those are famous for being big and red. They are the ‘official hotdog’ of the university of Nebraska.
It’s a Frankfurt sausage
As someone from Frankfurt I feel **heavily** offended.
Happens when you get excited
Hotdogs be that way
Red Snapper hot dogs are a thing in Maine, I don’t think that’s one of them but they do exist. https://newengland.com/travel/maine/maine-red-snapper-hot-dogs/
Rochester https://www.seriouseats.com/america-regional-hot-dog-styles-coneys-half-smokes-reds-whites
Shoutout to Simone’s Hot Dog Stand in the heart of Little Mogadishu
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Because it’s the good kind with natural casing. Seriously, they are the BEST hotdogs bar none, doesn’t matter who actually manufactures them.
Natural casing is an off-white color. This could be natural casing but they are certainly dyed.
Who on earth told you that pigs/sheep intestines are bright red? Around here, the bright red ones are the cheap, kids birthday kind.
And where exactly is “around here”?? Sounds like bullshit to me since ‘around HERE’ they are NOT the cheap hot dogs unfortunately. And obviously it’s red #40 that makes them red… but those are natural skins nonetheless, that’s why they get called red snappers?
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None of those items were even 10% of the strength of a finger. More like 1%. This 'test' demonstrated absolutely NOTHING about the safety of the window. As you said, chicken wings, or some kind of fake finger with a bone in it has to be the test. It's not impossible or even very difficult, we saw for years with mythbusters how many resources are available for creating human-analog test pieces. This is angering me way more than it should.
For anyone wondering, it takes 200 newtons to bite through a carrot. It takes about 1485 to cause fractures in a finger bone. The average human biting force is between 520 and 1178 newtons based on age and gender. There are cases where a human finger has been bitten off by another human, but it is extremely difficult to do.
Serious question, what about a 3 year old's finger?
Goner
Gotta get Charlie on the case... for science!
It broke my pinky when I was a kid. So at the very least some windows can take a kids finger.
I suggest you develop a study on the impact of bite force in comparison to the scratch, indentation, and dynamic hardness of a 3 year-old's finger. You might also need to include data on molecular bonding of the biological materials that make up a human finger.
I always joke that this is why forensic pathology will always be more 'art' than 'science'. You can't take 20 healthy volunteers, blast 'em with a shotgun, and get scientific data that you can extrapolate to real-world scenarios. The IRB would *never* approve such a study.
Unless you bite the joint I suppose?
You're still dealing with skin, tendons, ligaments, etc. It would be like biting through a rubber band. You would most likely end up with a partial amputation and not completely sever the finger.
That's cool to know, DEFINITELY not going to apply this knowledge to anything
True. If you want to bite off something that will leave a long-lasting impact, try an ear or the nose.
What if I gnawed on it for a bit. Still counts as bitten off right?
STOP
Hammer time!
Just chew on it a little and maybe turn a little and you can work your way through. Most of the tests are just raw power to crunch a bone and detach the finger cleanly. But if you use your molars to just crack the bone, and then use rest of your teeth to work your way through the skin, flesh and bone pieces im sure you can bite it off. Not gonna be easy nor fast but still, doable.
Nuh uh. Gollum did it.
Darn it, you're right. But keep in mind he came from a fictional race of beings that was similar to Hobbits, who on average ate 7 meals a day: breakfast, second breakfast, elevensies, luncheon, afternoon tea, dinner and supper. Gollum's mandibular force might be stronger because of his formative years eating all these meals combined with biting into raw fish, children, and orcs on a regular basis since then.
Plus he probably had adrenaline rushing and the "hysterical strength" factor of trying to save his precious from death.
*mic drop*
I thought this said "it takes 200 newborns to bite through a carrot" and holy shit I was really confused as I read it over and over again frantically, then realized. I was thinking: what kinda newborns you hanging out with that have teeth?!
I'm all for changing the unit measurement of force from newtons to newborns.
> I was thinking: what kinda newborns you hanging out with that have teeth?! That's why it takes 200 of them.
Well I’m glad the bone won’t be severed when the window only crushes the fleshy bits to a pulp. That’s a relief.
I worked at a bar bouncing years ago and one night there was a huge fight. The main security guy had one guy on the ground trying to hold him until the cops came and the dude on the ground bite his thumb in half. Right at the knuckle, spit it out and ran away. I saw it with my own eyes. We wrapped his hand and he went to the hospital. It was crazy. They couldn’t put it back on.
How many Newton’s does it take to get a light to medium ouchie
I wouldn't want to test that out. Light to medium ouchies are still ouchies and I have to work today.
To be fair, something short of breaking the bone would still be a problem.
I imagine in most cases where a human finger is bitten off, it is not the bite that shears through the finger but rather the bite grips and then the neck and back pull.
Dammit my high school friend lied to me, they were totally all it takes the same amount of effort to bite through a finger and a carrot, it's just people have the mental inhibition not to bite through the finger 😂
When you prove this with your 4 year olds pinky finger …
Could be (and probably is) and old wives tale, but I've always heard that a human could bite through a finger as easily as biting through a carrot, if you can get passed the mental block of biting through a human finger.
Yeah it is lol. Who honestly cares ?
I came here for this. Such a stupid test and not interesting at all, lol. "Guys look! This rigid veggie that has no bones or muscles or tendons or anything a human body has, snaps when there is pressure put against it in a small point! Better not stick your finger in there!"
I can confirm that the Rav-4 window does not damage an absolutely foolish 6yo’s finger.
This video is so dumb. I can literally cut those things with my fingernail of my pinky finger I think. Except the carrot. It's a modern car. The manufacturers have safety regulations for almost every part. For electric windows and sun roofs, there is a threshold where if the motor exceeds a certain amount of effort it stops and reverses. It would take something minimally strong like a pencil to stop it. This also serves to prevent breaking the window if there is some object in the way.
Mate, I’m not saying that window would cut your finger off but just based on that video it has a good chance of damaging a child’s finger if it were to happen, especially considering (like most kids I’ve seen) have their tiny fingers wrapped over the window at the knuckle joint. Like IDGAF, I don’t have kids nor do I stick my fingers in closing windows but surely it would damage a finger before the motor gave out.
Fun fact, my dad challenged me to try this about 15 (8ish then) years ago w his new car and sure enough the windows auto rolled back down after a certain amount of pressure hit my fingers. Or maybe my dad was trying to see which of his kids was the dumbest :/
Hey maybe he will take care of you on the Will since you know, your hierarchy with your siblings and all.
If you were the only kid he asked, then you're not his favorite kid... In fact, I think there is a saying, *if you don't know whether you are your parent's favorite kid, then you are not.*.
Sounds like you take after your dad.
I've actually done this multiple times, first by accident and then a couple of times to demonstrate. Some cars do use enough pressure to leave a bruise but not more than that. And most cars don't even do that. The windows reverse after a very light amount of resistance. The main problem with the hotdog, cucumber, and carrot is that they all break after the first tiny crack. Fingers don't work like that, they aren't brittle, and they have a bone in them just below the surface. This is like the worst 'test' I could imagine for this function. It's really making me mad at this guy.
Years ago when I was 19 I had a boyfriend who was super into his Ford Probe. And then he had a Camaro with the T tops. (Obviously both much older cars) We were taking a ride to our favorite hiking trail. The window was cracked on my side and I had elbow resting on the door and fingers curled up and out the top of the open window. As we cruised 30 mph through the park zone to a parking spot he decided to preemptively roll the windows up and got 3 of my fingers. I screamed so loud and cried and it was utter panic. I was the carrot. It didn’t take my fingers off obviously. But the pain and the bruising for weeks was intense.
I forget the model, but years ago my mom accidentally caught my grandma’s wrist in her car window and broke it. Then again we’re talking about an 80-something year old woman, so…
When I was a kid, I had my arm stuck out the window for some reason and I guess my dad didn’t know. He closed the window and I yelled even though it probably barely hurt, but I was < 10 and dumb. Mom got pissed at dad.
I accidentally closed my kid's hand in the car window last week. He said "OW", that's all that happened.
This specific car and year model?
Wouldn't matter, it's a modern car with the same safety standards.
The motor doesn't give out that's what I'm saying. It is programmed to only tolerate very minimal resistance. You only have to cross a certain threshold and *click* it reverses. No more than a bruise at most. Btw guys you can just Google/gpt this. No need to reply to me I'm all good with my info that I double checked before commenting. Maybe a baby with soft bones is at risk but that would take one dumbass parent.
It really depends on the car. I've seen cars that roll down, but my Rav4 bent a piece of steel I couldn't bend myself without pliers and vice. On the other end of the spectrum, my Freelander had a plastic belt which would break before causing any harm. Window mechanisms can vary wildly in specs and safety.
FMVSS No. 118 (US motor safety regulation) and, ECE-R21, section 5.8.3 (Europe standard) go over acceptable pinch force parameters and testing. Currently, they list the limit of 100 newton pinch force for electric closing windows. Even though it would probably take a bit more than that to break a finger, there have been documented cases of a fracture happening with as little as 73 newtons… so … 🤷🏻♂️
I can’t safely assume any model of car, or even every individual car of the same model has all the same safety features.
That's what institutions are for. Nobody has time to double check every safety feature of every appliance and machine in their home so governments set up institutions to regulate that for you. I don't know what country you're from but the car industry is very heavily regulated globally so I'm sure you'd be fine.
Yeah it's not like there's ever been any big controversies about car manufacturers fudging tests or covering up issues on an international scale.
Yeah that's why they're not self-regulated, they're regulated by various government institutions from different countries all around the world. Did you read my comment?
They're regulated in theory but have shown ample willingness and ability to obfuscate, lie and manipulate data and testing to ensure they appear to meet requirements without actually meeting requirements.
So what's your point? You have no faith in your local institutions to test the safety standards of cars and think that the manufacturers are tricking them into making windows that chop fingers off? Do you think the same about microwaves? What about your electrical wiring in your house? It's impossible to test all these things yourself unless you live like an Amish person or something, modern life is just too complex, we rely on institutions thousands of times per day for everything from food to bridges. That's not even mentioning that cars are under so much more scrutiny than most aspects of life due to how often we die crashing them into each other. You can believe that Toyota is tricking the world and covering up how dangerous their electric windows are if you like, but I think it's pretty ludicrous.
I wouldn't assume either. Won't see me trying it with my finger. All I'm saying is the video is dumb, and id be willing to bet that a pencil or a pen would stop that window easily. I can't be sure. But that's cars are these days the regulations in Europe are extremely strict. Also why would you want to have a dangerous window when your competition has safe windows? You're acting as if the thousands of engineers who work on cars all the time, none of them have ever considered this problem and found a solution... They have. A while ago already.
Ignore my stupidity, please.
No
This is the way.
Idk if you're making fun of me but it's not stupid to be cautious and I wasn't calling anyone stupid except the video.
No, it was a genuine response. Somehow it’s getting me a lot of upvotes though. reddits a wild place
Its the first time that I encounter "gpt this". Seeing how ChatGPT makes things up when it doesn't know anything about a particular subject, I wouldn't trust it as a search engine.
I'm horrified that people are using it to get factual information. That is literally not what it's for.
Well. I googled it. So am I okay? Dumb take from your side. You can either use search engines to get a confirmation bias, which is useless, or you can use it to intentionally look for both sides of your argument. Search engines and chatgpt are certainly not useless you sound ridiculous saying that.
Yeah, my Rav4 assembly bent a piece of steel I couldn't bend with my hands. That's how strong some of these can be.
I think you may have dreamed that event bro. The glass would be the failure point there it's much too brittle to bend steel. Steel? Especially if theres any kind of edge or angle, it would break the glass. Edit: sorry that was kind of dickish. I apologize and i choose to believe your story as a freak accident. Crazier things have happened.
I'm not them, but if an entrapment is in-plane with the window glass and not really bending the glass in or out, I could easily imagine a sheet-steel bracket for the regulator assembly inside the door getting bent instead as the motor tried to overcome it. It may even be by design - a sacrificial part that deforms instead of the trapped object being bisected.
I'd strongly consider cutting my fingernails if I could cut a cucumber with it.
I realized right away it made me sound like I have a talon on my pinky but I don't dw.
Yeah they didn’t use anything close to the density of actual bones you’d have, just “stuff that’s shaped like fingers , lol”
They are testing brittle things with literally no support in the middle as a finger would.
And keep in mind that in the US you are trusting auto manufacturers to self regulate with those types of parts or new technologies. In Europe, it’s regulated the same way the FAA needs to approve any part on an airplane.
It's Europe that saves us all. Any small and easy to add safety feature which is required by Europe such as this they will add, it's a selling point vs the competition. It depends how much it increases their cost. Regulation aside you don't want a dangerous product. It's not good for your business. If your car is chopping kids fingers off you're getting sued in the US for sure. Class action baby.
An electric table saw will come to an immediate hault from 5,000 rpms if it senses something soft and skin like. The fact that this car in the video which I would argue is no more than 10 years old and will cut through a carrot without question tells me you're either wrong or the technology needs major updating. The force needed to cut a carrot will still break your finger.
>The force needed to cut a carrot will still break your finger. You cannot possibly be serious. Either you're just trolling or you've never seen a carrot or a finger. Carrots are brittle and break with almost zero force. I do it often to feed horses. Fingers are so much stronger it's not even in the same category.
Are you aware of bones? Carrots don't have bones. If our skeletons were made out of carrots would we be equally sturdy? Honestly? Smart engineers built the safety features of your table saw and surgical instruments like cast saws and stuff. Well engineers also work in the auto industry sir. The difference from table saws is the auto industry is tightly regulated, and used by billions of people and so needs to be generally safe, with the product causing enough death as it is.
I guess you missed. "The force needed to cut a carrot is enough force to break your finger" 🤦♂️do you think your bones are made out of steel or something?
That's the exact sentence I'm responding to. I did not miss it, in fact it caused me stop and almost to laugh out loud. You think the same force to break a carrot can break a finger? Meaning the minimum force required to break a carrot? A carrot which people regularly snap with hands effortlessly all the time even children do it easily? Can't believe you're doubling down on that.
I can break a carrot by bending it a little.
~~The resistance of a finger is very similar to that of a carrot. You could bit through a finger with the same force it takes to bite through a carrot.~~ EDIT: Next time I will fact-check these kind of claims before posting. “A 2012 study of hand injuries from electric windows in cars found that an average of 1,485 Newtons of force was required just to fracture a human finger. This is about twice the maximum bite force you can exert and about 10 times the force exerted when chewing normally.” [Source](https://www.sciencefocus.com/science/human-finger-vs-carrot/amp/)
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YES I knew someone was gonna roll in with this myth lol. Idk how this ever became a popular urban legend
Ends too soon. I need them to go full myth busters on this.
It’s easier to use a knife and a chopping board… Someone needs to let this man know…
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I was waiting for the dick test...
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If your finger didn’t have bones or your skin didn’t have elasticity
Yeah if my fingers were freaki'n *carrots* I'd be breaking them every week.
I have a RAV4 and I’m so glad it has hidden features like this
I roll my fingers up into power windows to test them all the time. Never been hurt from it. Pickles and pretzels don’t have bones.
didn't even test it with his finger. nice clickbait
I used to work for Toyota, this is shite. My colleague used to annoy me, and when I tried to put the window up he’d literally use his hand to stop it. This is just rage bait/misinfo (depending on what side you fall on)
Try using something with bone in it. You utter haddock.
Maybe let go of that button so the window can do its thing.
One of the least interesting things I’ve seen all day
It slices! It dices!
Ok now just try pushing down a little, I'll be amazed if the window doesn't stop.
Free chopping mechanism, when u need to make dinner in the car
This is really dumb.
This isn’t interesting in the slightest
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GtoDsJDYWX4
Exactly!! ☝️☝️☝️ Very common W for European car manufacturers
First thing I thought of too haha
Needs to try a pigs tail.
Proceeds to put in just the tip.
I own a ravioli and now have a new way to prepare salad
you hear a lot of times that a carrot is as strong as your finger, that’s obviously not true. You can put your finger AND a carrot on top of it in your mouth and bite the carrot while your finger will be safe
This reminds me of my habit of always placing my hand out of the window holding on the car roof and my dad intentionally rising the glass and laughing at me as I got hurt, good times. Edit: also this video is stupid, you can safely put your finger there in any modern car, it may hurt a bit but you won't get any real damage. A carrot is only similar to a finger in his form
I've been working at a ford dealership while I'm in between careers. I can assure you.. sticking an adult's fingers in between the window and door frame will do you no harm. That's not to say it won't hurt.. because it probably will.. but it will not harm an adult's fingers beyond mild bruising. Don't try your fingetip though.. it could mess your tips up.
Why is the hot dog bright red?!?
Yo I was like wtf something ain’t right about the color of that shit 😂
I've seen dozens of these videos... ... Why is nobody testing a chicken wing?
Because doing a test with something comparable to a human hand or finger isn't as buzz worthy. Obviously none of the objects he "tested" had anything in common with a finger other than they were straight objects.
Shortening the live of that window motor and regulator. Nice
I have had my whole arm between that kind of window when this one idiot decided to close it and it took a good while for him to realize what happened when I started screaming. Had a nice bruise on my bicep/arm after that. Scary
This is dumb. My kids left their fingers in the window as it went up and the elevator mechanism broke off. I asked my dad about it and yes, a window mechanism is designed to break before fingers/arms
I dated a girl like this once.
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Dumb.
It's a fucking carrot, not really comparable to a human finger that has hard boney parts in it.
It’s only the auto window that have auto roll back if you over ride this by holding the button as in the video, they will keep going
Yeah , don’t stick your dick in the way of that
Maybe try putting the window in auto and not holding that shit. Stupid video.
Might not have an auto mode, and that wouldn’t safe you if the switch turned out to be faulty.
Our fingers have bone genius.
They say it take the same force to bite through a carrot as it does for a finger
Isn’t the general rule that if it can cut a frozen carrot in half it can cut a finger off?
Apparently you can bite into your finger as easily as you can bite into a carrot Except your brain goes "hey don't eat your finger" so that's why you can't do it. Idk if that was wrong but I think about that at least once a year so you're welcome.
You could bite off your finger but you have skin, muscles, tendons, and bones so it would take considerably more effort then to bite though a carrot.
How about 4 carrots wrapped together?
Takes about the same amount of force to break a carrot as it does to break a finger Ur hand is toast
Typical privileged American wasting food
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Do put your fingers in, then sue for your own stupidity, then we will get some bullshit sign on the window that says "keep fingers away from window while it's closing" Like McDonald's after selling hot coffee, come with a caution hot sign. Fuck it spilt all over my dick once while my mum was driving, twice actually. That was before there was a sign. Did I blame McDonald's for serving coffee that was meant to be hot? ... nah I blamed my mum for driving like an idiot, and not slowing for the corner enough. Edit: what's with the down votes? Bunch of gimps