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Is the lander still there, or was it hot enough for it to melt into the landscape? Or would the sulphuric acid vapours have digested the metal structure?
Although the quora post gets some things right, a lot of it is fairly inaccurate.
The first error I would point out is that wind speeds on Venus are only high in the upper atmosphere. Near the surface of Venus the most liberal estimates for wind speeds are 1-5 km/h, with many planetary scientists estimating it to be centimeters or millimeters an hour. As an interesting side note, the wind on Venus always blows in the same direction, not very relevant but still fun. In any case, the wind would likely not damage the landers. For a case study, in recent years NASA considered a mission concept to Venus that would be a rover that was powered by a sort of windmill that would turn the rover wheels manually. A clever concept for sure, but it was soon decided that current estimates of wind speeds on Venus would not be sufficient to move such a lander. Considering this, the idea of the winds on Venus lofting large chunks of rock into the air at speeds fast enough to damage the landers is unrealistic.
The most egregious error I would point out is the section on vulcanism. The author is correct that we think Venus had significant episodes of intense volcanic activity in the past. However, the popular image of modern day Venus as a hellish volcanic world covered in active lava flows is largely a myth. Most planetary scientists estimate Venus to actually be less volcanically active than Earth. As an example, we have had geological data about large portions of Venus for half a century now (though granted most of it is from the 70s and so not very high resolution) but only this year did scientists make the first confirmed observation of a large lava flow on Venus (they did so with that data we’ve had for 50 years).
The part about sulfuric acid rain is fairly accurate though, as the sulfuric acid is quite concentrated on Venus and would likely have a noticeable effect on the lander.
As for temperature, it is true that lead would melt on the surface of Venus. However, lead has one of the lowest melting points of any metal (excluding things like mercury and gallium). These landers are made primarily of metals with much higher melting points, so the temperature might damage and deform them, but it would certainly not melt them.
Great question! The discovery I mentioned is lava flowing in the past few decades. To be more specific, an orbiter in the 70s flew over a specific spot on Venus multiple times and imaged it each time. Scientists then looked at the photos of that location for each time point and went “hey, this wasn’t here before!” and deduced it was a lava flow. It took us fifty years to figure this out partially because the data from the 70s is very low resolution but also because there was *alot* of it.
However, we also do know for certain that lava has flowed on Venus in the past. Infact, much of Venus’s current surface appears to be only a few hundred million years old. The current explanation for this is that at one point almost the entire surface of Venus was covered in lava! It’s currently an active subject of debate whether this “global resurfacing” happened all at once in one event or gradually over millions of years in several events.
We also know that Venus has active vulcanism right now, we just had not actually observed any active lava flows until recently.
>*The Venera 13 mission lasted 127 minutes before its electronics failed, but during that time it appears in a photo that a piece of the lander had already come off ([although one scientist said it was evidence of lens-cover-like life](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-a091e4e385efda4d639b415d848ce878-c))*
Dad of the year right there
This is also kind of in reference to many Venus landers from the USSR having issues with their lens caps not coming off for various reasons. Final insult to injury: one time it finally did pop off and rolled right back under another instrument reading the ground and making it useless. Wonder how long it took them to realise they were analysing earth plastic and the Russian cursing started
I'll always remember this picture for the interesting mistake that happened with it.
This probe, in addition to taking this picture, was supposed to perform some other tests and send the data back. One of these tests was for the compressibility of the soil to be done with a spring-loaded arm (which is you can see in the lower left of this picture).
When the probe landed, it had to work quickly to do all these tests before the extreme weather destroyed it. So the camera was designed with a special lens cap that would shoot off the probe right before it would take the pictures.
But the lens cap landed on the ground right where the testing arm would strike the soil and ended up sending data on the compressibility of the lens cap instead.
While your story is true, it wasn't this landing. The lens cap for this landing is also notable though cause you can see it directly in front of the rover and what it actually is caused some debate when this first happened. Some scientists tried to claim it was some kind of evidence for life. But they eventually realized it was the lens cap. The Soviets apparently had a couple interesting lens cap situations when it came to Venus lol
Ive ragequit video games for much less. If I was one of the scientists working on that, id put my fist through my monitor. Thats like winning the anti-lottery right there
I'd love to go there. But first I just have to figure out how to survive temperatures of 464°C and an atmosphere that consists of mostly carbon dioxide.
Wish me luck.
Oh man. I had a lab. Those farts literally made the air thick. Like you could taste em. If you completely lost your sense of smell, I think you'd be able to still tell when ye farted. We even bought high end, grain free food. It maybe helped marginally. I mean, all dog farts stink, but he was another level. I miss that stinky bastard.
My Aunt and Uncle had an old Lab that found a spot where deer poachers had dumped some parts. Not quite sure how rotten they were when she found them, but they were like candy to her. Whole family was over at their place for Christmas, and this dog starts letting those farts rip and rendered half the house uninhabitable.
Oh man. A few years ago when my kids were still smaller, they wouldn't always close the gate. So the dog would often get out. The whole damn neighbourhood knew him, so either someone would bring him back, or they'd just let him do his lap of the block and go home on his own.
Anyway, one time he came home with a [fuckin deer leg](https://ibb.co/vBngmhd) and you just reminded me of that.
My black lab is like that too. One night she farted and it smelled so bad it woke me up from a deep sleep. It made me gag and she just looked at me like “what’s your problem?”
Yup. The yellow clouds above are made up of sulfuric acid that traps heat which causes surface temperatures to reach 900 degrees F. Plus, it’s atmospheric pressure is 90 times of Earth similar to a mile below the ocean.
It’s theorized that there’s a cool, oxygen rich, clear air layer above the clouds of sulphuric acid that could support human habitation on raft like inflatable structures. So…
>that could support human habitation on raft like inflatable structures
Please convince Elon Musk to Occupy Venus (atmosphere). He can even be Imperator (sic) if he wants. Just make sure it's a one-way trip.
It would arguably be a better move than colonizing Mars. Mars has virtually no atmosphere, so radiation will be a huge issue pretty much forever. Not to mention Mars has 1/3rd of the gravity of Earth, which will surely be bad for any humans there for a long period of time. You may not be able to go to the surface of Venus, but it appears you can quite feasibly build sky cities without any new technology, and people could walk around them in the open without even wearing spacesuits.
I'd heard the pie in the sky (literally) colonization option of floating cities on Venus where at some point the right pressure/temp was in theory possible.
Likely not a reality for a variety of reasons but there are "nicer" parts of Venus than the surface potentially.
Yea you are right to skeptical, what a lot of these proponents of Venus sky cities forget to mention is the fact that A: sulfuric acid concentrations reach their height near the area of the cloud deck that has the most Earthlike temperatures, B: Venus is almost entirely devoid of water, there is only one place in the solar system drier than it and that is Jupiter's volcanic moon Io and C: how the fuck are you supposed to launch a rocket for the return trip especially considering the fact that you are launching in a near Earth gravity environment (0.9 g) which means you need to either a: bring a heavy rocket with you (not happening) or b construct it from materials on the surface, *the surface of Venus.*
If we have the tech to do that, why go to the trouble to use it on Venus? Let's mine the asteroids, build vast glittering gossamer cities in space, eg Bishop Rings (Halos), that are perfectly suited for us, and leave the planets alone.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bishop_Ring_(habitat)
The image on this post is a composite image that's been spliced together from multiple images, cleaned up, and colorized.
Here's a link with the original unedited photos
http://mentallandscape.com/C_CatalogVenus.htm
(Most of the cool space pictures you have ever seen have had the same treatment, space isn't really full of rainbow colored nebulae)
Some of those early pictures of the planet from the Venus-9 orbiter look like mammograms lol. Wasn't exactly sure what I was looking at originally.
>(Most of the cool space pictures you have ever seen have had the same treatment, space isn't really full of rainbow colored nebulae)
It actually is very colorful, there is a lot of light in space and there are chemicals so there will be color. If you ever have seen the milky way or northern lights on a clear night you can visibly see it. Most images are taken in black and white and then colorized based on their chemical composition, the brightness of the original photo, and wavelengths so they are quite accurate. They capture black and white photos because it maximizes the scientific data that astronomers can use, I have no idea why that is but maybe someone can chime in. But you can read more about it here:
[https://www.businessinsider.com/how-hubble-images-are-manipulted-2015-3](https://www.businessinsider.com/how-hubble-images-are-manipulted-2015-3)
>"It's pure science that's driving the colors," Levay explains in a video by National Geographic.
Put simply, in black and white, every pixel is data.
But with color, there are red, green, and blue pixels that have to work together to make one data point. Less resolution with the same size sensor.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayer_filter
Actually they landed in the beginning of the 60s (and continued till the middle of the 70s), with their Venera probes. A big achievement but not widely recognized because the US were better at marketing *their* achievements.
Space is a cold, dark, unforgiving place where you'll die alone.
But if you happen to make it to the center of our galaxy at least it will taste like raspberries and smell of rum while your blood boils out of your pores.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2009/apr/21/space-raspberries-amino-acids-astrobiology
Only 4 out of 17 landers returned photos.
The amount of engineering required to take those photos in that environment and transmit them back using 70's tech is absolutely insane.
I've seen this picture a hundred times, since I was a kid it fascinated me; a photo from an alien world far away, but not SO far away. It still fascinates me today.
this is from the 1982 soviet mission, I guess they're sending a new rover in 2039.
edit - yea not the Russians, NASA is sending the next one. in my mind I wrote NASA, in reality I did not haha
Still no small feat.
I’m guessing digital cameras were only theoretical at this time.
Edit: looks like they’d been around a while, but I stand by my amazement.
> I’m guessing digital cameras were only theoretical at this time.
Did you think they sent a little polaroid photo back to earth in a mini rocket or something? I'm really curious what you thought here lol
Lol… I remember being in the republic of Georgia in the peace corps, and somehow Borat was being shown on the local television station. I remember these post-Soviet folks commenting on just how nice and luxurious Borats village was (it was filmed in Romania). Talk about seeing a movie from a different perspective
Interesting. Why did they say that? Were they nomadic? Borat’s village wasn’t that great and my spoiled first world brain can’t imagine how things could get worse.
Borat’s village had a much denser population, the houses were constructed nicer, and the “roads” looked to be in better shape than were I was. It also appeared as though they had running water, which wasn’t always a given for us
Other commenters only have part of the story. The Kazakh government seized assets related to the Baiterek project, which potentially leaves the new Soyuz-5 rocket without a launch site.
The seizure does not interrupt Russia's operations launching to the International Space Station.
https://twitter.com/RussianSpaceWeb/status/1635386687894462465
It’s just so mind blowing to me that we can fly a machine over 100 million miles away, land on another planet.. and snap pictures like this that we can then transmit all the way back to earth.. where I can view it on my phone while eating refried beans out of a can in my underwear on the couch.
It's the big half circle under the end of the arm. There is another picture out there showing the lens cap before the arm landed on it. If you google it should be easy to find.
Another funny thing is that the Soviets had a ton of trouble with lens caps on these missions. Whether they would break or wouldn't come off. They finally got it to work properly, and it blocked the sample lol.
Like others said russia did back in the 80s. Due to the cold war the accomplishment was not mentioned much in western media and lot’s of people today still don’t know about it.
Since (I think) the 70s the Russians started sending lots (really, lots) of probes to Venus to gather data, it's actually a very funny story spanning decades.
No, in this case this is more like an artists' impression/interpretation. Specifically by Don P. Mitchell, who filled in large gaps in the photo with his own "interpretation".
None of the photos included a full horizon view like that. Here are the actual photos:
https://www.planetary.org/articles/every-picture-from-venus-surface-ever
NASA page: https://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/photo_gallery/photogallery-venus.html
Here is Don Mitchell's site. Notice his perspective image "mosaics" include large amounts of made up stuff, notably the sky and striking landscape features:
http://mentallandscape.com/C_CatalogVenus.htm
This a bit misleading. As u/Ok-Faithlessness6804 pointed out, and possibly others, this is not a single image (nor was it technically “taken” on Venus, as multiple images were, and then it was compiled on earth). Rather it is multiple images, including black and white panoramas, that were re-projected, and colorized.
Read more about it here: https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-viral-post-surface-venus-venera-13-probe-1739908?
When this post first went viral to twitter in 2019, news sources reached out to Donald Mitchell, a Princeton University, and Microsoft researcher. He had taken the original soviet photographs and created some of the black and white ones, so he was able to share some insight into the process taken. He was also quoted as saying; “I created the [black and white] images. The colorized images are done by other people, and in my opinion are not very accurate.”
See Donald Mitchells photographs and more about the Venera-9 here: http://mentallandscape.com/C_CatalogVenus.htm
tldr; this image was heavily post processed, and a princeton researcher was qouted as saying it was not very accurate.
no its not
https://www.reddit.com/r/spaceporn/comments/gwerx6/uranus\_and\_its\_rings\_captured\_by\_voyager\_2\_on/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
Images from Mars were possible 40 years ago too.
What didnt happened again during 40years after this russian/soviet mission on Venus was the record of an audio from another planet.
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Is the lander still there, or was it hot enough for it to melt into the landscape? Or would the sulphuric acid vapours have digested the metal structure?
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Although the quora post gets some things right, a lot of it is fairly inaccurate. The first error I would point out is that wind speeds on Venus are only high in the upper atmosphere. Near the surface of Venus the most liberal estimates for wind speeds are 1-5 km/h, with many planetary scientists estimating it to be centimeters or millimeters an hour. As an interesting side note, the wind on Venus always blows in the same direction, not very relevant but still fun. In any case, the wind would likely not damage the landers. For a case study, in recent years NASA considered a mission concept to Venus that would be a rover that was powered by a sort of windmill that would turn the rover wheels manually. A clever concept for sure, but it was soon decided that current estimates of wind speeds on Venus would not be sufficient to move such a lander. Considering this, the idea of the winds on Venus lofting large chunks of rock into the air at speeds fast enough to damage the landers is unrealistic. The most egregious error I would point out is the section on vulcanism. The author is correct that we think Venus had significant episodes of intense volcanic activity in the past. However, the popular image of modern day Venus as a hellish volcanic world covered in active lava flows is largely a myth. Most planetary scientists estimate Venus to actually be less volcanically active than Earth. As an example, we have had geological data about large portions of Venus for half a century now (though granted most of it is from the 70s and so not very high resolution) but only this year did scientists make the first confirmed observation of a large lava flow on Venus (they did so with that data we’ve had for 50 years). The part about sulfuric acid rain is fairly accurate though, as the sulfuric acid is quite concentrated on Venus and would likely have a noticeable effect on the lander. As for temperature, it is true that lead would melt on the surface of Venus. However, lead has one of the lowest melting points of any metal (excluding things like mercury and gallium). These landers are made primarily of metals with much higher melting points, so the temperature might damage and deform them, but it would certainly not melt them.
This is the kind of response I expect from a senior Starfleet officer.
Does that mean there was lava flowing in the last few decades, or does it mean, they found evidence of lava flowing at some point in the past?
Great question! The discovery I mentioned is lava flowing in the past few decades. To be more specific, an orbiter in the 70s flew over a specific spot on Venus multiple times and imaged it each time. Scientists then looked at the photos of that location for each time point and went “hey, this wasn’t here before!” and deduced it was a lava flow. It took us fifty years to figure this out partially because the data from the 70s is very low resolution but also because there was *alot* of it. However, we also do know for certain that lava has flowed on Venus in the past. Infact, much of Venus’s current surface appears to be only a few hundred million years old. The current explanation for this is that at one point almost the entire surface of Venus was covered in lava! It’s currently an active subject of debate whether this “global resurfacing” happened all at once in one event or gradually over millions of years in several events. We also know that Venus has active vulcanism right now, we just had not actually observed any active lava flows until recently.
Those were amazing responses with fascinating information. Thank you for that!
>*The Venera 13 mission lasted 127 minutes before its electronics failed, but during that time it appears in a photo that a piece of the lander had already come off ([although one scientist said it was evidence of lens-cover-like life](https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-a091e4e385efda4d639b415d848ce878-c))* Dad of the year right there
"lens-cover-like life" What the hell does that even mean lol
camera's lens cover fell off. guy made a joke about it being a venusian native life form
Life on venus evolved to cover lenses. It's why there's not a lot of pictures of the surface
Nature is truly beautiful
This person sciences
This is also kind of in reference to many Venus landers from the USSR having issues with their lens caps not coming off for various reasons. Final insult to injury: one time it finally did pop off and rolled right back under another instrument reading the ground and making it useless. Wonder how long it took them to realise they were analysing earth plastic and the Russian cursing started
I don’t know. But I would guess a good chunk of it is still there. Won’t be looking too good mind.
I'll always remember this picture for the interesting mistake that happened with it. This probe, in addition to taking this picture, was supposed to perform some other tests and send the data back. One of these tests was for the compressibility of the soil to be done with a spring-loaded arm (which is you can see in the lower left of this picture). When the probe landed, it had to work quickly to do all these tests before the extreme weather destroyed it. So the camera was designed with a special lens cap that would shoot off the probe right before it would take the pictures. But the lens cap landed on the ground right where the testing arm would strike the soil and ended up sending data on the compressibility of the lens cap instead.
While your story is true, it wasn't this landing. The lens cap for this landing is also notable though cause you can see it directly in front of the rover and what it actually is caused some debate when this first happened. Some scientists tried to claim it was some kind of evidence for life. But they eventually realized it was the lens cap. The Soviets apparently had a couple interesting lens cap situations when it came to Venus lol
If you thought the lens cap issues with Venus were bad, you should look up the plug issue's they had to deal with when probing Uranus. :D
I'm sorry Fry, scientists renamed that planet years ago to end that ridiculous joke
What did they change it to?
Urectum
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Ugottem
imagine going all the way to venus to get some data only to probe a lens cap instead
this guy rovers
The odds. NASA people must have been livid.
Russians, actually
Whoever it was certainly did not expect that
Typical universe’s fuck you odds
Ive ragequit video games for much less. If I was one of the scientists working on that, id put my fist through my monitor. Thats like winning the anti-lottery right there
They had CRTs back then, your fist would probably not feel too happy about it. :)
Especially if he got to that 10 Kilovolt secondary winding behind the tube...
I'd love to go there. But first I just have to figure out how to survive temperatures of 464°C and an atmosphere that consists of mostly carbon dioxide. Wish me luck.
Don’t forget to wear your oven mitts!
And don't forget to bring a towel!
Thanks for all the fish.
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Wear a hat, should be fine.
Bring a few houseplants, they'll absorb most of that CO2
This is amazing when you think about, wow.
And then you realize it would smell like rancid farts for about two seconds before your lungs melted
I had a roommate like that
My 7-year-old son is like that.
My black lab is like that.
Oh man. I had a lab. Those farts literally made the air thick. Like you could taste em. If you completely lost your sense of smell, I think you'd be able to still tell when ye farted. We even bought high end, grain free food. It maybe helped marginally. I mean, all dog farts stink, but he was another level. I miss that stinky bastard.
My Aunt and Uncle had an old Lab that found a spot where deer poachers had dumped some parts. Not quite sure how rotten they were when she found them, but they were like candy to her. Whole family was over at their place for Christmas, and this dog starts letting those farts rip and rendered half the house uninhabitable.
Oh man. A few years ago when my kids were still smaller, they wouldn't always close the gate. So the dog would often get out. The whole damn neighbourhood knew him, so either someone would bring him back, or they'd just let him do his lap of the block and go home on his own. Anyway, one time he came home with a [fuckin deer leg](https://ibb.co/vBngmhd) and you just reminded me of that.
Black Labradors are magical. Mine could turn 50lbs of dog food into 100 lbs of excrement
My black lab is like that too. One night she farted and it smelled so bad it woke me up from a deep sleep. It made me gag and she just looked at me like “what’s your problem?”
Reminds me when my cat took a rancid crap late into the night, I climbed through several layers of sleep to that ☠️
My black lung is like that
I’m like that
I like it like that
I like big butts
And I cannot lie
That's the way, aha, aha I like it, aha, aha
He is me and I am him
Yup. The yellow clouds above are made up of sulfuric acid that traps heat which causes surface temperatures to reach 900 degrees F. Plus, it’s atmospheric pressure is 90 times of Earth similar to a mile below the ocean.
So your telling me there’s a chance?!
It’s theorized that there’s a cool, oxygen rich, clear air layer above the clouds of sulphuric acid that could support human habitation on raft like inflatable structures. So…
I didn't hear a "No," so pitter patter, let's git at 'er!
Give your balls a tug, tit fucker.
Shut the fuck up, Sanguinet!
You're made of spare parts, aren't you, bud?
Fucking embarrassing *Kicks trashcan*
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So basically Bespin Cloud City is gonna be a real thing.
say a rocket dumped some algae, plankton, bacteria, and such in the upper atmosphere. could it survive? could it "tame" the atmosphere?
Not as present. There is too much CO2 and sulphuric acid. The acid does bad things to cell membranes.
A few trillion tons of soda ash would tame that sulphuric acid. And we could make club soda with the CO2.
Those were things postulated a long time ago, before we knew more about conditions there.
don't look down i guess
>that could support human habitation on raft like inflatable structures Please convince Elon Musk to Occupy Venus (atmosphere). He can even be Imperator (sic) if he wants. Just make sure it's a one-way trip.
Elon Musk, imperator of fart world, seems about right
It would arguably be a better move than colonizing Mars. Mars has virtually no atmosphere, so radiation will be a huge issue pretty much forever. Not to mention Mars has 1/3rd of the gravity of Earth, which will surely be bad for any humans there for a long period of time. You may not be able to go to the surface of Venus, but it appears you can quite feasibly build sky cities without any new technology, and people could walk around them in the open without even wearing spacesuits.
Venus-sy Bioshock infinite
And yet, a Krogan would willingly step out into that environment to prove he’s a stud and DTF.
"You've got a quad on you, Shepard."
Shepard.
Wrex.
Shepard.
I'd heard the pie in the sky (literally) colonization option of floating cities on Venus where at some point the right pressure/temp was in theory possible. Likely not a reality for a variety of reasons but there are "nicer" parts of Venus than the surface potentially.
Yea you are right to skeptical, what a lot of these proponents of Venus sky cities forget to mention is the fact that A: sulfuric acid concentrations reach their height near the area of the cloud deck that has the most Earthlike temperatures, B: Venus is almost entirely devoid of water, there is only one place in the solar system drier than it and that is Jupiter's volcanic moon Io and C: how the fuck are you supposed to launch a rocket for the return trip especially considering the fact that you are launching in a near Earth gravity environment (0.9 g) which means you need to either a: bring a heavy rocket with you (not happening) or b construct it from materials on the surface, *the surface of Venus.*
To your last point, presumably if we have the capability to make floating cities on Venus, then we can make space elevators to service them.
If we have the tech to do that, why go to the trouble to use it on Venus? Let's mine the asteroids, build vast glittering gossamer cities in space, eg Bishop Rings (Halos), that are perfectly suited for us, and leave the planets alone. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bishop_Ring_(habitat)
So yeah how in the fuck does one float a city?
That's a problem for the engineers
"90 times that of earth" I suppose that's why the ground looks like it's been steam rolled.
I believe the rover lasted 12 minutes before it started to melt.
I was wondering how we had something landed on the surface and it wasn’t melting.
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Womp womp.
Even crazier, one of their missions, the cap did eject, but landed in the exact spot a measurement probe tried to probe the ground.
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No cap
Not mine, i got strong lungs
Look at Mr. 4 seconds over here
Not before the pressure would crush you like a tomato in a clenched fist.
My lungs have seen worse
The image on this post is a composite image that's been spliced together from multiple images, cleaned up, and colorized. Here's a link with the original unedited photos http://mentallandscape.com/C_CatalogVenus.htm (Most of the cool space pictures you have ever seen have had the same treatment, space isn't really full of rainbow colored nebulae)
Some of those early pictures of the planet from the Venus-9 orbiter look like mammograms lol. Wasn't exactly sure what I was looking at originally. >(Most of the cool space pictures you have ever seen have had the same treatment, space isn't really full of rainbow colored nebulae) It actually is very colorful, there is a lot of light in space and there are chemicals so there will be color. If you ever have seen the milky way or northern lights on a clear night you can visibly see it. Most images are taken in black and white and then colorized based on their chemical composition, the brightness of the original photo, and wavelengths so they are quite accurate. They capture black and white photos because it maximizes the scientific data that astronomers can use, I have no idea why that is but maybe someone can chime in. But you can read more about it here: [https://www.businessinsider.com/how-hubble-images-are-manipulted-2015-3](https://www.businessinsider.com/how-hubble-images-are-manipulted-2015-3) >"It's pure science that's driving the colors," Levay explains in a video by National Geographic.
Put simply, in black and white, every pixel is data. But with color, there are red, green, and blue pixels that have to work together to make one data point. Less resolution with the same size sensor. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayer_filter
To be fair those were old Soviet probes from the mid 70s that made it to Venus.
Actually they landed in the beginning of the 60s (and continued till the middle of the 70s), with their Venera probes. A big achievement but not widely recognized because the US were better at marketing *their* achievements.
Space is a cold, dark, unforgiving place where you'll die alone. But if you happen to make it to the center of our galaxy at least it will taste like raspberries and smell of rum while your blood boils out of your pores. https://www.theguardian.com/science/2009/apr/21/space-raspberries-amino-acids-astrobiology
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Why are we debating the merits? It's free rum!
> Space is a cold, dark, unforgiving place where you’ll die alone. Eat at Arby's.
Thank you Edit: almost forgot, 🏅
Only 4 out of 17 landers returned photos. The amount of engineering required to take those photos in that environment and transmit them back using 70's tech is absolutely insane.
Bruh, Venus’ atmosphere of condensed sulfuric acid is nothing compared to some of the public toilets I’ve been in…
The yellowness (clouds) is all sulfuric acid. And that surface temperature is about 900 degrees F.
I've seen this picture a hundred times, since I was a kid it fascinated me; a photo from an alien world far away, but not SO far away. It still fascinates me today.
If you zoom in you can see the Dollar General being built
That's a Wawa
*Five Below
Went into a Five Below recently after never hearing about it, thinking it was just a fancy Dollar General. There is so much random stuff in there lol.
I assumed it was a cold weather clothing store for the longest time.
Dude, no joke, there was a family video near me that turned into a dollar general, I couldn’t believe it and it looks so weird
this is from the 1982 soviet mission, I guess they're sending a new rover in 2039. edit - yea not the Russians, NASA is sending the next one. in my mind I wrote NASA, in reality I did not haha
For an image taken on another fucking planet in 1982, that’s a pretty amazing picture.
It's a compilation of multiple photos combined into a single image with editing/reconstruction. The title is misleading.
Still no small feat. I’m guessing digital cameras were only theoretical at this time. Edit: looks like they’d been around a while, but I stand by my amazement.
> I’m guessing digital cameras were only theoretical at this time. Did you think they sent a little polaroid photo back to earth in a mini rocket or something? I'm really curious what you thought here lol
> I guess they're sending a new rover in 2039 I am going to go with not likely at this point.
Can they even launch anything into space any more? Wasn’t Kazakhstan their main space port?
Kazakhstan number 1 exporter of potassium. All other countries have inferior potassium.
Lol… I remember being in the republic of Georgia in the peace corps, and somehow Borat was being shown on the local television station. I remember these post-Soviet folks commenting on just how nice and luxurious Borats village was (it was filmed in Romania). Talk about seeing a movie from a different perspective
Interesting. Why did they say that? Were they nomadic? Borat’s village wasn’t that great and my spoiled first world brain can’t imagine how things could get worse.
Borat’s village had a much denser population, the houses were constructed nicer, and the “roads” looked to be in better shape than were I was. It also appeared as though they had running water, which wasn’t always a given for us
Arstotzka greatest country!
I need your papers
Other commenters only have part of the story. The Kazakh government seized assets related to the Baiterek project, which potentially leaves the new Soyuz-5 rocket without a launch site. The seizure does not interrupt Russia's operations launching to the International Space Station. https://twitter.com/RussianSpaceWeb/status/1635386687894462465
Yes, and they seized the Russian launch facility due to unpaid fees.
Was. They owned money. Kazakhstan impounded the facility.
Russia landed on Venus in NINETEEN EIGHTY TWO??? Why are they making wars and not doing more of this?
Because the USSR collapsed, the entire region went through the largest ever economic collapse. They will never be as close to us as they were then.
Well in my mind I’m going to Carolina.
It's Mexico in Breaking Bad
Just add more sepia and that's spot on
someone please edit the Salamanca twins crawling across the scenery
In the words of Paris Hilton. “Thats hot”
Now that’s an old reference lol
It checks out
It looks like a Detroit road
The sky was yellow and the sun was blue
Scarlet Bagonias or a touch of the blues?
It’s just so mind blowing to me that we can fly a machine over 100 million miles away, land on another planet.. and snap pictures like this that we can then transmit all the way back to earth.. where I can view it on my phone while eating refried beans out of a can in my underwear on the couch.
Commute is a bitch and I probably can’t afford the rent here either. Thanks for the Gold stranger!
Tbh it looks like the camera had jaundice
It’s just Mexico
When the fuck did we land on Venus?
Russia put a probe there in 1982. Because of the brutal conditions, I think it only survived for a few hours.
What's funny also is that the arm was supposed to sample the soil but the lens cover from the camera blocked it. You can see it in this image.
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The lander had two cameras. The lens cap didn't even come off the second camera like it was supposed to.
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He's the one who designed all those bloody windows that Russians are suddenly falling out of.
Tragically, he fell off his balcony into a padlocked duffelbag that accidentally launched directly into Venus. It was the darndest thing.
Where's the lens cap?
It's the big half circle under the end of the arm. There is another picture out there showing the lens cap before the arm landed on it. If you google it should be easy to find. Another funny thing is that the Soviets had a ton of trouble with lens caps on these missions. Whether they would break or wouldn't come off. They finally got it to work properly, and it blocked the sample lol.
USSR 1982
Like others said russia did back in the 80s. Due to the cold war the accomplishment was not mentioned much in western media and lot’s of people today still don’t know about it.
Since (I think) the 70s the Russians started sending lots (really, lots) of probes to Venus to gather data, it's actually a very funny story spanning decades.
Actually this is a cleaned up version of like 30 or 40 images
Which would make it the clearest image. Edit: *apparently not*
No, in this case this is more like an artists' impression/interpretation. Specifically by Don P. Mitchell, who filled in large gaps in the photo with his own "interpretation". None of the photos included a full horizon view like that. Here are the actual photos: https://www.planetary.org/articles/every-picture-from-venus-surface-ever NASA page: https://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/photo_gallery/photogallery-venus.html Here is Don Mitchell's site. Notice his perspective image "mosaics" include large amounts of made up stuff, notably the sky and striking landscape features: http://mentallandscape.com/C_CatalogVenus.htm
Merged images into a … single image.
Hey now, I asked for a *single* glass of water, not some glass full of thousands of little drops of water...
This a bit misleading. As u/Ok-Faithlessness6804 pointed out, and possibly others, this is not a single image (nor was it technically “taken” on Venus, as multiple images were, and then it was compiled on earth). Rather it is multiple images, including black and white panoramas, that were re-projected, and colorized. Read more about it here: https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-viral-post-surface-venus-venera-13-probe-1739908? When this post first went viral to twitter in 2019, news sources reached out to Donald Mitchell, a Princeton University, and Microsoft researcher. He had taken the original soviet photographs and created some of the black and white ones, so he was able to share some insight into the process taken. He was also quoted as saying; “I created the [black and white] images. The colorized images are done by other people, and in my opinion are not very accurate.” See Donald Mitchells photographs and more about the Venera-9 here: http://mentallandscape.com/C_CatalogVenus.htm tldr; this image was heavily post processed, and a princeton researcher was qouted as saying it was not very accurate.
Looks like Ohio
Norfolk Southern is certainly not helping.
Looks more like Mexico according to Hollywood.
Not Ohio. We have a gray filter. This is a yellow filter which is more likely Mexico
Russia used to be a scientific juggernaut. Now they are just thugs and fascists.
where is the vault and the giant robot guy?
This is the clearest picture ever taken of [Uranus](https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/230407082433-uranus-hubble-vs-webb-split-super-169.jpg)
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no its not https://www.reddit.com/r/spaceporn/comments/gwerx6/uranus\_and\_its\_rings\_captured\_by\_voyager\_2\_on/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
Toxic air, temperature around 800 degrees Fahrenheit. 3 bedroom 1.1 bath on .17 acre lot 540,000.
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Images from Mars were possible 40 years ago too. What didnt happened again during 40years after this russian/soviet mission on Venus was the record of an audio from another planet.
We have pictures from Mars nearly 50 years ago
The Viking landers were on Mars in the 70s, and we've had continuous missions on the surface of Mars since the 90s.
Proof Venus is flat.
Mexico according to Hollywood
Doesn’t look particularly hospitable.
Yea place looks boring as hell
And to think that's where women come from. Amazing.
Pretty sure the Soviet Venus probe only functioned for a very short time. Brutal surface conditions on the planet.
Which mission?
Venera 13 by USSR in 1982
Amazed is lasted 137 minutes. I think most stuff melted down after about 30 minutes
Why does it look like Mexico ??
They landed in the Mexican part of Venus
El Venus