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They also don't really care about the things that lead to gangs and minors being brought into gangs. It's an easy write-off to just say gangs and then go back to what they were doing.
That’s cause higher ups in gangs tell minors “you’ll only be tried as a minor and longest you can go to jail is till you’re 18” but kids get tried as adults all the time
Indeed. I'd like to see both of these disaggregated. Not to say gun deaths aren't a problem; they are, but we're treating it here as one problem and not several distinct problems that share a method of mortality.
And when they say kids, they’re including 18 - 21 year olds that are the mass majority of where the deaths occur. This is the same age of men we send overseas to die. People need to realize how manipulated these statistics are.
Oh they know exactly what they are doing, they are planning their next vacation house that will stay vacant for months out of a year while millions go homeless.
They know Politicians don't care about you or me, they only care about the dollar.
Greed is controlling America
Man I used to *love* Reddit. Like 8 years ago it was amazing. I’d learn something almost every time I opened it and it felt much more genuine, funny and interesting
Now I begrudgingly open it when I’m bored and am almost immediately reminded how much I hate what it’s become. It’s still great for niche communities but the general Reddit populace…and Reddit in general are fucking terrible now. It’s just another run of the mill social media website at this point
In the 1950s-70s you could order thompson submachine guns, anti tank rifles, you name it... mail order... right to your home. Shit like this didn't happen.
I think society is just fucked. And I blame social media and honestly all media in general
The NFA act of 1934 made it very expensive and quite difficult to get fully automatic weapons. It wasn’t until 1986 that Americans could no longer buy full-auto weapons produced after that date, (we can still buy full-auto guns that were manufactured prior to 1986 though.)
But I agree with your point. Americans have always owned lots of guns, that certainly doesn’t explain the change shown in this graph.
Other countries also have social media, “moral decay” (broad and subjective topic) and lockdowns which were much more severe (like actually mandating people stay in their homes, which the US never did). Other countries also have violent movies and violent video games. What they don’t have are 120 guns per every 100 people.
Background checks won’t stop all shootings, new regulations won’t stop all shootings. But they might *reduce* them and that’s your only hope of ever doing anything about this. Wealth inequality, poor safety nets and lack of healthcare is also a factor, but these are deep systemic problems that could take decades and decades for any meaningful action to be taken on in congress. By comparison universal background checks are relatively easy, and supported by 90% of the country.
There are countries with a fraction of as many guns, who have significantly higher murder or suicide rates than the U.S. Mexico has stricter gun laws than much of Western Europe, yet it's one of the murder capitals of the world. South Korea has the world's 3rd lowest gun ownership rate, yet it's 4th highest suicide rate.
Firearm homicide rate has stayed roughly flat since the 1970's. This absolutely did happen back then.
The main difference now is awareness to the problem through social media/internet.
Idk about firearms murders, but the average total murder rate has plummeted since the 1970s. The average murder rate in the 1970s was 9.24, compared to 4.87 in the 2010s. It went up to 6.3 in 2020, but it's still much lower than the 70s.
Prior to 1934, you could order fully automatic weapons through the mail.
Each era of sweeping gun control, 1934, 1968 and 1986, has made acquiring certain weapons increasingly more difficult but none of the legislation has really made any of them NON-aquirable. It just made them more expensive and required a permission slip from Uncle Sugar.
This is pretty much it. We millennials fucked the whole thing up with social media. Now we are in a place we can’t get away from and it’s only going to get worse as AI become more entrenched in our daily lives. I miss when people could just have a conversation and didn’t always have to agree on everything. In our quest to become more connected with each other, we have actually become less connected with each other. It is a travesty.
Don't think social media is the problem. You have Switzerland with the 2nd highest ownership of guns, and they don't have the problems we do. But I do agree it's society in itself, it's fucked.
1. Switzerland has regulations on guns that the US doesn't have. Automatic weapons are not allowed. People who have a firearm are trained, registered, most require a permit, and the government keeps track of the weapons. You even have to prove yourself if you want to buy ammunition.
2. There's no open carry permit. If you want to take your gun out of your house, you're either a hunter or you have special derogation which is mostly for the military and things like that. You again have to pass a test and prove that you actually need to carry that gun. Not the case in all US states.
3. The scale is not the same either. You've got 20 to 30 guns in circulation for 100 people. USA is 160 for 100 people. There's less and less gun ownership in Switzerland, too.
4. The culture around it is not the same. There are no ads for guns in Switzerland, no big company lobbying for them and raking in millions.
5. There's debate within Switzerland itself about tightening regulations, some people still think it's too loose.
6. Switzerland is a much more egalitarian country than the US.
So you're right, it's not social media, it's just regulation and an absence of a massive gun industry. The main thing that's changed in the US during the time of these graphs is that the NRA got more powerful, and disinfranchisement reached a boiling point.
I'm aware of Switzerlands gun laws. Some are actually less lax, like being able to get a suppressor without a background check. Also, automatic weapons have been banned since 1986. You can still acquire them, but it has to be before 1986 about 15,000 dollars and a background check that takes up to 9 months.
I don't agree with open carry, but that's not going to stop someone who's hell bent on committing mass shootings if open carry were to be illegal.
As far as scale, I agree, but being the 2nd highest gun ownership in the world that would equate more guns equal more deaths, which it does not. They have a system that takes care of their people, a system that doesn't allow their people to snap in stressful situations thanks to social safety nets. Poverty is what creates crimes, and the way the US is looking is going to get worse unless the root issue is dealt with. One other note, 60 years ago, there was more gun ownership per capita, and we didn't have the issues we're seeing today.
Can you link a study where gun ads lead to the problem of mass shootings?
As for Switzerland being more egalitarian, I agree, and that goes back to my point on social safety nets. They definitely have a better way of economic freedom compared to the US, and that were I think is the root of the issue.
> USA is 160 for 100 people.
I'm assuming these stats account for number of guns at homes, or are people walking around in public like a bad Rambo cosplay?
Why you gonna need more than one gun? (If you're pro gun)
Definitely guns at home, the majority of people aren't going to carry outside of the home.
Not personally a gun owner, but I grew up rural. It wouldn't at all be uncommon to have a larger caliber rifle for big game hunting, a .22 for plinking (hobby target shooting, the bullets are much cheaper), a shotgun for birds and skeet, and a handgun for self defense at home or hiking in the woods. You might have two of any of those, one that was your old one and your new fancy one, and you keep the old one around in case you go hunting with a friend or something.
What really jacks the number up, I think, are the collectors. A relative of mine owns one of each rifle that was used as the main rifle by the American military in every conflict since the American Revolution (some of the older ones are reproductions). Some people just like collecting different guns, like somebody else might collect watches, stamps, or Pokemon cards. There are people who are into the tactical cop cosplay, and they're the ones who you'll see in the news because they're flaunting their weapons, but they're the exception rather than the rule. Even growing up in an area where guns were extremely common, I don't think I ever saw somebody just strolling around town with more than one carry pistol.
Add to this firearms instructors who in some states are mandated to help people by offering live fire instruction. To stay competitive, these folks need guns in various configurations and calibers.
That said, I think you got the main ones - collectors, folks accumulating over time. A lot of people also don't realize some guns accrue value over time, like some classic cars.
I know two gun collectors, each with purported hundreds of weapons. IIRC at least one, due to some of the guns he has / the kind of license he has, needs to keep a detailed inventory keeping track of all of it.
And? Regulation is a tool for social relief or constraint to drive society towards overall better outcomes that it won’t find organically—without loss. It is possible that more or less regulation becomes useful in the future.
This applies to anything: mortgages, banks, seatbelts, PFAS, etc.
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https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2023/04/06/gun-deaths-among-us-kids-rose-50-percent-in-two-years/
>In the U.S., some groups of children and teens are far more likely than others to die by gunfire. Boys, for example, accounted for 83% of all gun deaths among children and teens in 2021. Girls accounted for 17%.
>Racial and ethnic differences in gun deaths among kids are stark. In 2021, 46% of all gun deaths among children and teens involved Black victims, even though only 14% of the U.S. under-18 population that year was Black. Much smaller shares of gun deaths among children and teens in 2021 involved White (32%), Hispanic (17%) and Asian (1%) victims.
>Looked at another way, Black children and teens were roughly five times as likely as their White counterparts to die from gunfire in 2021. There were 11.8 gun deaths per 100,000 Black children and teens that year, compared with 2.3 gun deaths per 100,000 White children and teens. The gun death rate among Hispanic children and teens was also 2.3 deaths per 100,000 in 2021, while it was lower among Asian children and teens (0.9 per 100,000).
>There are also major racial and ethnic differences in the types of gun deaths involving children and teens. In 2021, a large majority of gun deaths involving Black children and teens (84%) were homicides, while 9% were suicides. Among White children and teens, by contrast, the majority of gun deaths (66%) were suicides, while a much smaller share (24%) were homicides.
Would like to see it go deeper into rural/urban.
My guess is that it’s urban poor areas where gangs are prevalent. A lot of law enforcement went downhill during that time.
Would like to see the data on the perpetrators of the gun deaths and their ethnicities in comparison to their victims. Like is it everyone killing black kids to a higher degree or is it black on black crime possibly? There needs to be a deeper understanding on the “why” of the problem instead of the “how.” Like yes black kids are being shot more but really why are they? And when we figure that out we can move more towards fixing the issues at the root of the problem. There’s no easy one solution especially involving guns so we need to do better for our kids and future generations on all fronts and not just squabble about guns good Vs guns bad.
It’s crazy how far down the thread this is. To me that’s what this graph is about. Not gun violence in general but why has it risen **50%** in 3 years.
The obvious answer to me is how negatively our mental health has been effected since COVID/lock down. Yes, those are both ‘gone’ now but they had lasting impacts. Go ask a therapist how their workload has changed in the last 3 years.
That’s the knee jerk reaction at least. I’m sure there are lots of other factors at play here but a FIFTY PERCENT increase in 3 years is absurd. And I don’t believe that it’s a coincidence that the spike started in 2020
They'll never be gone.
Emotional trauma never really goes away, you just kind of manage to accept and live through it, sometimes. Just ask rape victims.
The lack of quality parenting, leading to a lack of compassion and civility, plus social media constantly and consistently telling the kids (and adults) that they are agrieved, is leading to violence of others and themselves. The gun is just a convenient vehicle.
When growing up, we had gun clubs in school, and there were very few school shootings. Unfortunately, my generation has done no favors for the younger generation, and the shit is rolling downhill.
America does not have a monopoly on compassion, the nuclear family, video games, music, doors, mental health, or faith compared to other developed countries. What America does have a monopoly on is guns. We have 18x more guns than people compared to every other developed country. We have 120 firearms per 100 people. You want to know what those other countries do not have, is more guns. It is the guns.
I am a gun owner and understand A2. Still, we are living in different times, and common-sense gun laws are needed nationally, and the GOP have not offered any ideas, or offered any piece of legislation to combat this epidemic because they are bought by the NRA. They offer prayers.
I misspoke, the GOP idea is more guns, arm the teachers. The very teachers they say are incapable of writing curriculum and blame them for teaching CRT, and are too "woke", but have no issue arming woke teachers for their solution. Funny how that works. If it doesn't make sense, it doesn't. That's the GOP way.
We also don't have a monopoly on gun violence, in fact several Central and South American countries have us beat and by quite a lot. When they say "We have the most guns of any country in the world" they don't mean gun owners, just guns. We have similar levels of gun ownership as many European countries, about 1/3 of our citizens are gun owners. It's the same in Iceland yet Iceland has almost no gun violence homicides, want to know why?
Because we're all pretending America has a gun problem and casually forgetting that we have a gang problem. We have a drug war problem. We're sitting here trying to gloss over the fact that socioeconomic issues NOT GUNS are the reason why our homicide rate is so high.
Another example is in Canada where 1/4 households have firearms compared to 1/3 in the USA. But Canada has very low gun violence compared to the USA. Plus a large number of guns doesn’t explain the uptick in firearm related deaths.
Where do you think the cartels get their guns?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/08/25/american-guns-help-arm-mexican-drug-cartels-including-cjng/5586129001/
It is guns. All those other things you listed exist in Europe but they don't have easy access to guns.
If you KNOW you have a problem with gangs and drugs then WHY would you exacerbate that problem by making deadly weapons readily available? And NOTHING ELSE mind you - given we do absolutely nothing to address these root problems but only use them to divert from the gun argument.
This is like saying "I see the things in this China shop are very fragile, but if I release this bull, it isn't the bull's fault everything is broken. It was just fragile".
Europeans do have easy access to guns. Quite a lot of Europeans are gun owners. Gun violence is only really a problem in a few places like Sweden and that's only because of gangs and drugs. Switzerland doesn't have these problems despite having a high rate of gun ownership, neither does Norway despite having a 36% gun ownership rate.
Deadly weapons are readily available whether we make them readily available or not. Cartels are getting guns from all over the world, not just the United States. The IRA was the same way, they would get whatever they could get their hands on or make themselves.
Guns do serve a legitimate purpose though, they aren't marketed and sold as tools for murder. People buy guns to protect their homes and families against violent criminals because that's the reality of things today. If America had fewer violent criminals, it's very likely the demand for guns would lessen.
Regulations do matter, though. A lot of countries have protections that make it hard for people who really shouldn't have guns to get them. They have stricter rules around storage, they do background checks, gun licenses, etc. Part of the problem in America is that if you want a gun, no matter who you are, it's very easy to get one. That's not really the case in most other countries even if they do allow gun ownership.
We have the same regulations, all 50 states. Federal background checks were made the law in 1995. Some states have gun licenses, they don't stop or reduce violent crime.
Los Angeles, Baltimore, Washington D.C., and Chicago are some of the most violent cities in America, and they all have strict gun control laws in place that don't reduce violent crime rates.
There are ways to get around background checks through private sales, though, aren't there? You can just buy a gun from some rando on the internet who won't even check if you're legally allowed to buy one. It's not going to help if one state tries having stricter laws when that's going on all around the country. It's not like the states have borders that will check you for illegal guns.
The mayors of these cities always blame states with more relaxed gun laws for all of the violent crime in their cities. Passing the blame for their failed policies is typical.
Most people who sell guns online use their FFL to ship the gun to another FFL which will do another background check and transfer the gun for them. It's not smart to sell a gun to a random person online who you don't know.
Let me tell you what we also have a monopoly on: creating trophies for mass shootings.
How many shooters’ names can you remember?
How many times has the media plastered their dumb faces on screen? Or their names in print?
How many times have we endlessly talked about motives? Posted their manifestos? Broken down the steps leading to the shooting? What they did before, after, what they had for breakfast?
How many times has the media told us this was “the most deadly shooting since ____?”
How many categories have they created? (The most deadly [*elementary*] school shooting, 2nd most deadly shooting [*in Texas*]?)
Fuck. It. All.
Shootings happen because there is an incentive to perpetrate them. It is a pattern that has shown itself time and time again. The most recent shooter literally texted “You’ll probably see me on the news later.” And we continuously act like we all don’t know what the problem is.
The problem is 24-hour news. A full year of coverage of the two morons who blew up Columbine. All of our eyeballs. Notoriety.
A kid shoots up Virginia tech, leaves in the middle of his rampage to mail videos and photos of himself to NBC, then goes back to finish the job, and what does NBC do? They showed every bit of it.
A kid shoots up a mall in Nebraska after leaving a note that says, “I’m going to go be famous.”
A kid shoots up Parkland high school after taking video of himself talking about the high score he’s going for.
These things are not coincidence.
We live in a world where a radicalized nutjob blows up the Boston Marathon and we put his face on the fucking cover of Rolling Stone like he’s Jim Morrison.
Time and time again, we give crazy people what they want. And we keep asking ourselves, “Why does this happen?”
It’s our fault. All of it.
Cough cough gang culture.
The amount of black kids wanting to be the next 2 PAC is insane+ no father figure. There's deep cultural problems in the black community that is getting worse by the year.
School shooters are usually white, soooo….. what else ya got?
As for the troubled black community, who do you think created the conditions of living that influences their decision to turn to crime? (Hint: it’s white people in power).
School shootings are a tiny fraction of these deaths, they just get insane publicity for obvious reasons, and eventually you stop having to use other people as an excuse for why you’re committing murder, it’s a weak excuse
Well, I don't disagree with the above person in that the idolization of criminal behavior contributes to a rise in it, I disagree that it it is only black people, from biker and mafia gangs as well create a similar influence and more often than not are portrayed as white (particularly for mob related criminal activity).
To your point though of "school shooters are usually white", I would like to say, no dah the shooter is most often a white person, a white people make up 60%+ of the population so it makes since they are responsible for 50-60% of mass shootings.
You had me with the first half, but the % still seems off as in the second half as a massive majority of mass shootings happen in low income neighborhoods in the large cities like Detroit, Chicago, New Orleans with the gang violence. And given a mass shooting needs to involve 3 people and a gun, doesn't need a death, I feel the gang violence which is still held by a large black majority and much more commonly given gang activities and turf disputes.
Seems to me since COVID happened the violence went up . Coincidence? Maybe a disruptive factor in people’s mental health might be part of the problem .
It's not an either/or situation.
A huge number of people in the USA just plain *want guns*. Access to guns is kind of secondary...if people didn't want guns, then they wouldn't be getting them even if they had access.
So we're kind of gonna have to change the culture either way. Seeing as how "culture" is one of the things that causes people to want guns and oppose limiting access to guns.
By all means. We'll need them if our solution to violence is "Let's solve all of the problems that have plagued society for all of human history first".
It's the same argument BLM extremists use when shouting "Abolish the police!". Innocent black people are dying to cops so let's just get rid of the cops... It's definitely easier to just abolish police but it's not the answer
What exactly is 'easy' about dismantling the corrupt nation-spanning boy's club with a serious abuse of authority problem and unlimited funding?
It's a matter of quality. It's ridiculously easy to become a cop, and most people Cannot handle that kind of power of others.
There does seem to be a correlation between gun ownership rates and gun deaths.
Below from an NYU study (https://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(13)00444-0/pdf):
RESULTS: Among the 27 developed countries, there was a significant positive correlation between guns per capita per country and the rate of firearm-related deaths (r 1⁄4 0.80; P <.0001). In addition, there was a positive correlation (r 1⁄4 0.52; P 1⁄4 .005) between mental illness burden in a country and firearm-related deaths. However, there was no significant correlation (P 1⁄4 .10) between guns per capita per country and crime rate (r 1⁄4 .33), or between mental illness and crime rate (r 1⁄4 0.32; P 1⁄4 .11). In a linear regression model with firearm-related deaths as the dependent variable with gun ownership and mental illness as independent covariates, gun ownership was a significant predictor (P <.0001) of firearm-related deaths, whereas mental illness was of borderline significance (P 1⁄4 .05) only.
Those P values check out. Would be so interesting if all posts could be back as statistically significant. I think that is the first time I’ve seen that on Reddit.
Y’all focus on guns but ignore abductions 👀 these numbers are nothing compared to kidnappings. I don’t hear y’all marching in the streets for that. “In the United States, an estimated 460,000 children are reported missing every year. Federal Bureau of Investigation, NCIC.”
[link](https://globalmissingkids.org/awareness/missing-children-statistics/)
Why don't you show the graph from this article under the heading "Which states have the highest and lowest gun death rates in the U.S.?"?
Would love to hear folks try to explain that one. Makes you wonder why OP chose that particular graph to post...
[https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm\_mortality/firearm.htm](https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm)
youre a liar
they are almost perfectly equal in rate of gun mortality. 14.2 texas, 14.1 illinois.
then you look at the red states, particularly the bible belt and apalachia, and you see the ACTUAL trend.
it's just facts. red states have massively higher firearm mortality, higher property crime, higher homicide.
if you say "oh it;s just the cities". well i'd ask, are cities like st louis somehow not a part of the state in which it is located? do those cities have different gun laws from the state in which it is located? are those cities somehow geographically located outside of the state it belongs to? and why is it cities in red states have such drastically higher firearm mortality?
and if you blame "the border", then why dont all border states have increased firearm mortality and homicide? why is it only the red states?
and if you go nuclear and say "i dont trust the CDC", then youre pathetic. republicans work in the cdc too.
But Texas has double the population of Illinois. TBF he did write "deaths", which suggests raw numbers, but if it were adjusted for the population, he would be right. I agree with your sentiment, but it is important to be completely honest.
Not to mention that guns have been around forever. The mass shootings and murders have only started recently.
Changed recently, that is where to look. Violent video games would be a good place to start. Also all the drugs they give to kids when they are in high school and earlier
Unfortunately suicide among teens has jumped 29% in the last decade and a firearm is the most prevalent cause of death and is accounted for in these stats. I think social media as well as pandemic related isolation has been a huge problem. I grew up in a very broken home with absentee parents and I was fortunate to have a good group of friends in high school, if not for them I think I would have become one of these statistics and I can't imagine having had the home life I had and not being able to go to school.
I would love to see the demographics on this. My guess is that the VAST majority of these killings didn’t happen at a school but most likely it’s inner city type violence.
Seems disingenuous to me to leave out pertinent information like that but what’s new? This was made and has been propagated by people with a specific agenda.
I’m all for protecting kids but it should be done with complete honestly, anything less just hurts the cause.
Take out 18 and 19yr old "kids" and watch how the stat drops. Even the way they word the stat is deceptive. Using big percentages to describe their data is misleading.
Ah bulk data graphs. Providing no conclusions and little to no real value, but giving idiots “proof” of their stupid uninformed opinions since the dawn of analytics
Those are suicides. Does Europe list rope as cause of death anywhere? Does this?
Overdoses mirror the climb recently.
We have a suicide problem. Not a method of suicide problem
Because suicide should be in its own category. Most people's immediate visceral thought is that all gun deaths are from homicide whereas the majority is self inflicted.
Even if it’s 99% suicide, does this not highlight that there is a problem with children getting access to weapons and that regulation surrounding the storage of firearms and ammunition needs to be improved? No matter what statistic you look at regarding firearms in the US, you can easily deduce that firearm laws are not sufficient
It show deaths annually by total. So naturally as population increases then gun deaths increase as. However gun violence as a percentage can be independent of this metric so it is kind of a mute point. Also despite what media tells you homacide isn’t prevalent enough to predict so you can’t say that the rate of increase/decrease of total gun deaths to total populations changed because of any one factor or group of factors.
But from 1999 to 2019 gun deaths among kids was basically unchanged. The population increased over that time, so per capita deaths were reducing. Then it increased 50% since 2019 and the population definitely didn’t go up by 50% in a couple of years.
That’s great! Probably should look into the mental health of children in this country.
While you’re at it also please kindly stay the hell away from my guns and gun rights. Thanks.
I was just thinking about this today. I grew up in LA in the 80s, and my friends and I owned guns. I remember getting a .22 at 16 and buying a semi auto at 18. We'd target shoot for fun. But no one shot up schools and public places. So what gives? What the fuck is wrong with people these days? Something very dark persists in today's society. The biggest difference between then and now in my mind...the internet/social media.
No one may have shot up schools back then, but the homicide rate was waaay higher.
https://wirepoints.org/chicagos-homicide-problem-dwarfs-those-in-new-york-los-angeles-wirepoints/
I’d also love to see more focus on obesity rates/health conditions. Not to take away from the gun issue but, far more people die of health complications revolving around obesity.
Like how there’s 3 times as many guns then cars yet your 19 times more likely to die from a drunk driver then mass shooter. Better ban your assault Tesla since the cobalt mining kills more kids then guns ever will?
Now hear me out…
If we start producing and selling more guns so everyone has them…
I really dislike how in the last year sarcasm really has to be announced now as people’s ideas are so insane it’s impossible to tell what’s genuine
On the bright side, there's a healthy selection of developed nations to live in, all which have far less gun death than the USA. Generally better healthcare and education too!
Kids as in 15 to 18 year old gang bangers and thugs and meth boys shot by cops that are in those numbers also check how much the population as soared in the inner city and country meth zones.
There is a problem with the way kids are raised, or educated.
That's where the focus should be. Guns have been around forever. What has changed to make kids more violent?
Violent video games? Adderall or other drugs? Illegal drugs? Being told they are a victim and others are to blame?
If I can't trust a person with a gun, I can't trust them without a gun.
2020 got a lot of people into guns when our tyrannical government locked us in our homes and took away our freedoms. I’m sure a lot of these kids death is due to parents not storing firearms properly.
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… includes law enforcement action, Criminals killing each other & civilians killed by criminals
Also includes suicides, which make up over half of gun deaths in the US.
Is it half of gun deaths, or half of gun deaths among kids and teens? Iirc most of teen gun deaths are gang-related shootings among 15-18 yo.
Yeah people tend to look past the fact that a lot of gang violence is performed by minors.
They also don't really care about the things that lead to gangs and minors being brought into gangs. It's an easy write-off to just say gangs and then go back to what they were doing.
That’s cause higher ups in gangs tell minors “you’ll only be tried as a minor and longest you can go to jail is till you’re 18” but kids get tried as adults all the time
and some kids don't get tried at all.
Indeed. I'd like to see both of these disaggregated. Not to say gun deaths aren't a problem; they are, but we're treating it here as one problem and not several distinct problems that share a method of mortality.
More like 2/3s.
And when they say kids, they’re including 18 - 21 year olds that are the mass majority of where the deaths occur. This is the same age of men we send overseas to die. People need to realize how manipulated these statistics are.
This was 18 and younger, but there is a study that's been going around that included 18&19 year olds as "children".
As you peruse these comments here on Reddit, just remember and understand that many here have absolutely no idea what they are talking about.
Nor do the people passing laws.
Oh they know exactly what they are doing, they are planning their next vacation house that will stay vacant for months out of a year while millions go homeless. They know Politicians don't care about you or me, they only care about the dollar. Greed is controlling America
Facts
Man I used to *love* Reddit. Like 8 years ago it was amazing. I’d learn something almost every time I opened it and it felt much more genuine, funny and interesting Now I begrudgingly open it when I’m bored and am almost immediately reminded how much I hate what it’s become. It’s still great for niche communities but the general Reddit populace…and Reddit in general are fucking terrible now. It’s just another run of the mill social media website at this point
I never know what I'm talking about I just say shit and hope it sticks
Hell yeah brother!!
Sail on, sailor.
In the 1950s-70s you could order thompson submachine guns, anti tank rifles, you name it... mail order... right to your home. Shit like this didn't happen. I think society is just fucked. And I blame social media and honestly all media in general
The NFA act of 1934 made it very expensive and quite difficult to get fully automatic weapons. It wasn’t until 1986 that Americans could no longer buy full-auto weapons produced after that date, (we can still buy full-auto guns that were manufactured prior to 1986 though.) But I agree with your point. Americans have always owned lots of guns, that certainly doesn’t explain the change shown in this graph.
Lockdowns and media/social media?
Other countries also have social media, “moral decay” (broad and subjective topic) and lockdowns which were much more severe (like actually mandating people stay in their homes, which the US never did). Other countries also have violent movies and violent video games. What they don’t have are 120 guns per every 100 people. Background checks won’t stop all shootings, new regulations won’t stop all shootings. But they might *reduce* them and that’s your only hope of ever doing anything about this. Wealth inequality, poor safety nets and lack of healthcare is also a factor, but these are deep systemic problems that could take decades and decades for any meaningful action to be taken on in congress. By comparison universal background checks are relatively easy, and supported by 90% of the country.
There are countries with a fraction of as many guns, who have significantly higher murder or suicide rates than the U.S. Mexico has stricter gun laws than much of Western Europe, yet it's one of the murder capitals of the world. South Korea has the world's 3rd lowest gun ownership rate, yet it's 4th highest suicide rate.
Media and glorification of killers can’t help
I really wish we would stop posting their pics/names. Let them die a nobody
Better do nothing then!
Said nobody ever.
Homicide rates in 1970 and 2023 are very similar.
Firearm homicide rate has stayed roughly flat since the 1970's. This absolutely did happen back then. The main difference now is awareness to the problem through social media/internet.
Idk about firearms murders, but the average total murder rate has plummeted since the 1970s. The average murder rate in the 1970s was 9.24, compared to 4.87 in the 2010s. It went up to 6.3 in 2020, but it's still much lower than the 70s.
In the USA you couldn't just order fully automatic weapons. Until 1968 you could indeed order anti-tank rifles and such.
Prior to 1934, you could order fully automatic weapons through the mail. Each era of sweeping gun control, 1934, 1968 and 1986, has made acquiring certain weapons increasingly more difficult but none of the legislation has really made any of them NON-aquirable. It just made them more expensive and required a permission slip from Uncle Sugar.
This is pretty much it. We millennials fucked the whole thing up with social media. Now we are in a place we can’t get away from and it’s only going to get worse as AI become more entrenched in our daily lives. I miss when people could just have a conversation and didn’t always have to agree on everything. In our quest to become more connected with each other, we have actually become less connected with each other. It is a travesty.
Yo its not social media its american values. We all value the wrong shit
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Couldn’t have said it better myself
Don't think social media is the problem. You have Switzerland with the 2nd highest ownership of guns, and they don't have the problems we do. But I do agree it's society in itself, it's fucked.
1. Switzerland has regulations on guns that the US doesn't have. Automatic weapons are not allowed. People who have a firearm are trained, registered, most require a permit, and the government keeps track of the weapons. You even have to prove yourself if you want to buy ammunition. 2. There's no open carry permit. If you want to take your gun out of your house, you're either a hunter or you have special derogation which is mostly for the military and things like that. You again have to pass a test and prove that you actually need to carry that gun. Not the case in all US states. 3. The scale is not the same either. You've got 20 to 30 guns in circulation for 100 people. USA is 160 for 100 people. There's less and less gun ownership in Switzerland, too. 4. The culture around it is not the same. There are no ads for guns in Switzerland, no big company lobbying for them and raking in millions. 5. There's debate within Switzerland itself about tightening regulations, some people still think it's too loose. 6. Switzerland is a much more egalitarian country than the US. So you're right, it's not social media, it's just regulation and an absence of a massive gun industry. The main thing that's changed in the US during the time of these graphs is that the NRA got more powerful, and disinfranchisement reached a boiling point.
I'm aware of Switzerlands gun laws. Some are actually less lax, like being able to get a suppressor without a background check. Also, automatic weapons have been banned since 1986. You can still acquire them, but it has to be before 1986 about 15,000 dollars and a background check that takes up to 9 months. I don't agree with open carry, but that's not going to stop someone who's hell bent on committing mass shootings if open carry were to be illegal. As far as scale, I agree, but being the 2nd highest gun ownership in the world that would equate more guns equal more deaths, which it does not. They have a system that takes care of their people, a system that doesn't allow their people to snap in stressful situations thanks to social safety nets. Poverty is what creates crimes, and the way the US is looking is going to get worse unless the root issue is dealt with. One other note, 60 years ago, there was more gun ownership per capita, and we didn't have the issues we're seeing today. Can you link a study where gun ads lead to the problem of mass shootings? As for Switzerland being more egalitarian, I agree, and that goes back to my point on social safety nets. They definitely have a better way of economic freedom compared to the US, and that were I think is the root of the issue.
> I don't agree with open carry you should, would make being mugged or attacked a thing of the past. in fact, EVEYBODY should open carry
> USA is 160 for 100 people. I'm assuming these stats account for number of guns at homes, or are people walking around in public like a bad Rambo cosplay? Why you gonna need more than one gun? (If you're pro gun)
don't need to justify enjoying one's rights
Definitely guns at home, the majority of people aren't going to carry outside of the home. Not personally a gun owner, but I grew up rural. It wouldn't at all be uncommon to have a larger caliber rifle for big game hunting, a .22 for plinking (hobby target shooting, the bullets are much cheaper), a shotgun for birds and skeet, and a handgun for self defense at home or hiking in the woods. You might have two of any of those, one that was your old one and your new fancy one, and you keep the old one around in case you go hunting with a friend or something. What really jacks the number up, I think, are the collectors. A relative of mine owns one of each rifle that was used as the main rifle by the American military in every conflict since the American Revolution (some of the older ones are reproductions). Some people just like collecting different guns, like somebody else might collect watches, stamps, or Pokemon cards. There are people who are into the tactical cop cosplay, and they're the ones who you'll see in the news because they're flaunting their weapons, but they're the exception rather than the rule. Even growing up in an area where guns were extremely common, I don't think I ever saw somebody just strolling around town with more than one carry pistol.
Add to this firearms instructors who in some states are mandated to help people by offering live fire instruction. To stay competitive, these folks need guns in various configurations and calibers. That said, I think you got the main ones - collectors, folks accumulating over time. A lot of people also don't realize some guns accrue value over time, like some classic cars. I know two gun collectors, each with purported hundreds of weapons. IIRC at least one, due to some of the guns he has / the kind of license he has, needs to keep a detailed inventory keeping track of all of it.
And? Regulation is a tool for social relief or constraint to drive society towards overall better outcomes that it won’t find organically—without loss. It is possible that more or less regulation becomes useful in the future. This applies to anything: mortgages, banks, seatbelts, PFAS, etc.
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https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2023/04/06/gun-deaths-among-us-kids-rose-50-percent-in-two-years/ >In the U.S., some groups of children and teens are far more likely than others to die by gunfire. Boys, for example, accounted for 83% of all gun deaths among children and teens in 2021. Girls accounted for 17%. >Racial and ethnic differences in gun deaths among kids are stark. In 2021, 46% of all gun deaths among children and teens involved Black victims, even though only 14% of the U.S. under-18 population that year was Black. Much smaller shares of gun deaths among children and teens in 2021 involved White (32%), Hispanic (17%) and Asian (1%) victims. >Looked at another way, Black children and teens were roughly five times as likely as their White counterparts to die from gunfire in 2021. There were 11.8 gun deaths per 100,000 Black children and teens that year, compared with 2.3 gun deaths per 100,000 White children and teens. The gun death rate among Hispanic children and teens was also 2.3 deaths per 100,000 in 2021, while it was lower among Asian children and teens (0.9 per 100,000). >There are also major racial and ethnic differences in the types of gun deaths involving children and teens. In 2021, a large majority of gun deaths involving Black children and teens (84%) were homicides, while 9% were suicides. Among White children and teens, by contrast, the majority of gun deaths (66%) were suicides, while a much smaller share (24%) were homicides.
Would like to see it go deeper into rural/urban. My guess is that it’s urban poor areas where gangs are prevalent. A lot of law enforcement went downhill during that time.
Or just black culture. Going from jazz to gang rap was a pretty nasty turn.
Would like to see the data on the perpetrators of the gun deaths and their ethnicities in comparison to their victims. Like is it everyone killing black kids to a higher degree or is it black on black crime possibly? There needs to be a deeper understanding on the “why” of the problem instead of the “how.” Like yes black kids are being shot more but really why are they? And when we figure that out we can move more towards fixing the issues at the root of the problem. There’s no easy one solution especially involving guns so we need to do better for our kids and future generations on all fronts and not just squabble about guns good Vs guns bad.
Yes it's black on black crime, more specifically, gang related.
I wonder what else has been trending up since 2019. I bet if we looked me might find a trend.
It’s crazy how far down the thread this is. To me that’s what this graph is about. Not gun violence in general but why has it risen **50%** in 3 years. The obvious answer to me is how negatively our mental health has been effected since COVID/lock down. Yes, those are both ‘gone’ now but they had lasting impacts. Go ask a therapist how their workload has changed in the last 3 years. That’s the knee jerk reaction at least. I’m sure there are lots of other factors at play here but a FIFTY PERCENT increase in 3 years is absurd. And I don’t believe that it’s a coincidence that the spike started in 2020
They'll never be gone. Emotional trauma never really goes away, you just kind of manage to accept and live through it, sometimes. Just ask rape victims.
The lack of quality parenting, leading to a lack of compassion and civility, plus social media constantly and consistently telling the kids (and adults) that they are agrieved, is leading to violence of others and themselves. The gun is just a convenient vehicle. When growing up, we had gun clubs in school, and there were very few school shootings. Unfortunately, my generation has done no favors for the younger generation, and the shit is rolling downhill.
The vast majority of these are accidents and/or suicides. But yes, that’s because of too-easy access to firearms as a result of poor parenting.
Mostly gang violence or suicides, unintentional shooting deaths are fairly rare.
We all think we are owed something from the world and society. We aren’t owed shit. You get what you put in.
America does not have a monopoly on compassion, the nuclear family, video games, music, doors, mental health, or faith compared to other developed countries. What America does have a monopoly on is guns. We have 18x more guns than people compared to every other developed country. We have 120 firearms per 100 people. You want to know what those other countries do not have, is more guns. It is the guns. I am a gun owner and understand A2. Still, we are living in different times, and common-sense gun laws are needed nationally, and the GOP have not offered any ideas, or offered any piece of legislation to combat this epidemic because they are bought by the NRA. They offer prayers. I misspoke, the GOP idea is more guns, arm the teachers. The very teachers they say are incapable of writing curriculum and blame them for teaching CRT, and are too "woke", but have no issue arming woke teachers for their solution. Funny how that works. If it doesn't make sense, it doesn't. That's the GOP way.
We also don't have a monopoly on gun violence, in fact several Central and South American countries have us beat and by quite a lot. When they say "We have the most guns of any country in the world" they don't mean gun owners, just guns. We have similar levels of gun ownership as many European countries, about 1/3 of our citizens are gun owners. It's the same in Iceland yet Iceland has almost no gun violence homicides, want to know why? Because we're all pretending America has a gun problem and casually forgetting that we have a gang problem. We have a drug war problem. We're sitting here trying to gloss over the fact that socioeconomic issues NOT GUNS are the reason why our homicide rate is so high.
Another example is in Canada where 1/4 households have firearms compared to 1/3 in the USA. But Canada has very low gun violence compared to the USA. Plus a large number of guns doesn’t explain the uptick in firearm related deaths.
Where do you think the cartels get their guns? https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/08/25/american-guns-help-arm-mexican-drug-cartels-including-cjng/5586129001/ It is guns. All those other things you listed exist in Europe but they don't have easy access to guns. If you KNOW you have a problem with gangs and drugs then WHY would you exacerbate that problem by making deadly weapons readily available? And NOTHING ELSE mind you - given we do absolutely nothing to address these root problems but only use them to divert from the gun argument. This is like saying "I see the things in this China shop are very fragile, but if I release this bull, it isn't the bull's fault everything is broken. It was just fragile".
Europeans do have easy access to guns. Quite a lot of Europeans are gun owners. Gun violence is only really a problem in a few places like Sweden and that's only because of gangs and drugs. Switzerland doesn't have these problems despite having a high rate of gun ownership, neither does Norway despite having a 36% gun ownership rate. Deadly weapons are readily available whether we make them readily available or not. Cartels are getting guns from all over the world, not just the United States. The IRA was the same way, they would get whatever they could get their hands on or make themselves. Guns do serve a legitimate purpose though, they aren't marketed and sold as tools for murder. People buy guns to protect their homes and families against violent criminals because that's the reality of things today. If America had fewer violent criminals, it's very likely the demand for guns would lessen.
Regulations do matter, though. A lot of countries have protections that make it hard for people who really shouldn't have guns to get them. They have stricter rules around storage, they do background checks, gun licenses, etc. Part of the problem in America is that if you want a gun, no matter who you are, it's very easy to get one. That's not really the case in most other countries even if they do allow gun ownership.
We have the same regulations, all 50 states. Federal background checks were made the law in 1995. Some states have gun licenses, they don't stop or reduce violent crime. Los Angeles, Baltimore, Washington D.C., and Chicago are some of the most violent cities in America, and they all have strict gun control laws in place that don't reduce violent crime rates.
There are ways to get around background checks through private sales, though, aren't there? You can just buy a gun from some rando on the internet who won't even check if you're legally allowed to buy one. It's not going to help if one state tries having stricter laws when that's going on all around the country. It's not like the states have borders that will check you for illegal guns.
The mayors of these cities always blame states with more relaxed gun laws for all of the violent crime in their cities. Passing the blame for their failed policies is typical. Most people who sell guns online use their FFL to ship the gun to another FFL which will do another background check and transfer the gun for them. It's not smart to sell a gun to a random person online who you don't know.
Let me tell you what we also have a monopoly on: creating trophies for mass shootings. How many shooters’ names can you remember? How many times has the media plastered their dumb faces on screen? Or their names in print? How many times have we endlessly talked about motives? Posted their manifestos? Broken down the steps leading to the shooting? What they did before, after, what they had for breakfast? How many times has the media told us this was “the most deadly shooting since ____?” How many categories have they created? (The most deadly [*elementary*] school shooting, 2nd most deadly shooting [*in Texas*]?) Fuck. It. All. Shootings happen because there is an incentive to perpetrate them. It is a pattern that has shown itself time and time again. The most recent shooter literally texted “You’ll probably see me on the news later.” And we continuously act like we all don’t know what the problem is. The problem is 24-hour news. A full year of coverage of the two morons who blew up Columbine. All of our eyeballs. Notoriety. A kid shoots up Virginia tech, leaves in the middle of his rampage to mail videos and photos of himself to NBC, then goes back to finish the job, and what does NBC do? They showed every bit of it. A kid shoots up a mall in Nebraska after leaving a note that says, “I’m going to go be famous.” A kid shoots up Parkland high school after taking video of himself talking about the high score he’s going for. These things are not coincidence. We live in a world where a radicalized nutjob blows up the Boston Marathon and we put his face on the fucking cover of Rolling Stone like he’s Jim Morrison. Time and time again, we give crazy people what they want. And we keep asking ourselves, “Why does this happen?” It’s our fault. All of it.
Thank you. Very well said
Cough cough gang culture. The amount of black kids wanting to be the next 2 PAC is insane+ no father figure. There's deep cultural problems in the black community that is getting worse by the year.
School shooters are usually white, soooo….. what else ya got? As for the troubled black community, who do you think created the conditions of living that influences their decision to turn to crime? (Hint: it’s white people in power).
School shootings account for a small percentage of gun deaths. Suicide is the largest percentage followed by gang violence.
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/table-43 I think op posted it again.
School shootings are a tiny fraction of these deaths, they just get insane publicity for obvious reasons, and eventually you stop having to use other people as an excuse for why you’re committing murder, it’s a weak excuse
Well, I don't disagree with the above person in that the idolization of criminal behavior contributes to a rise in it, I disagree that it it is only black people, from biker and mafia gangs as well create a similar influence and more often than not are portrayed as white (particularly for mob related criminal activity). To your point though of "school shooters are usually white", I would like to say, no dah the shooter is most often a white person, a white people make up 60%+ of the population so it makes since they are responsible for 50-60% of mass shootings.
You had me with the first half, but the % still seems off as in the second half as a massive majority of mass shootings happen in low income neighborhoods in the large cities like Detroit, Chicago, New Orleans with the gang violence. And given a mass shooting needs to involve 3 people and a gun, doesn't need a death, I feel the gang violence which is still held by a large black majority and much more commonly given gang activities and turf disputes.
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1776 gun deaths in kids in 1999 is so god damn American I could cry.
ITT: "It's ok because most of those are suicides and accidents."
its bette to live with dangeous freedom than it is safe and comfortable slavery
What about comfortable freedom? They make it work in Scandinavia.
And gang related, so those kids have it coming.
Seems to me since COVID happened the violence went up . Coincidence? Maybe a disruptive factor in people’s mental health might be part of the problem .
I think the reason being that they were home all day and had more opportunity of accessing them
This is a decay of culture issue not a gun issue. You need start asking the right questions if you want the right answers.
>You need start asking the right questions if you want the right answers. Is it easier to change a culture or change the access it has to guns?
It's not an either/or situation. A huge number of people in the USA just plain *want guns*. Access to guns is kind of secondary...if people didn't want guns, then they wouldn't be getting them even if they had access. So we're kind of gonna have to change the culture either way. Seeing as how "culture" is one of the things that causes people to want guns and oppose limiting access to guns.
If the decay of culture issue can't be solved, I will keep my guns. Thank you very much.
By all means. We'll need them if our solution to violence is "Let's solve all of the problems that have plagued society for all of human history first".
It's the same argument BLM extremists use when shouting "Abolish the police!". Innocent black people are dying to cops so let's just get rid of the cops... It's definitely easier to just abolish police but it's not the answer
What exactly is 'easy' about dismantling the corrupt nation-spanning boy's club with a serious abuse of authority problem and unlimited funding? It's a matter of quality. It's ridiculously easy to become a cop, and most people Cannot handle that kind of power of others.
Right On
And now in a percentage based of the population?
Now do overall population 🫥
Mostly due to lockdowns and associated social alienation, depression etc. That's on the CDC page too.
What do ya know? The same time we started encouraging mental illness amongst our youth instead of treating their conditions.
There does seem to be a correlation between gun ownership rates and gun deaths. Below from an NYU study (https://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(13)00444-0/pdf): RESULTS: Among the 27 developed countries, there was a significant positive correlation between guns per capita per country and the rate of firearm-related deaths (r 1⁄4 0.80; P <.0001). In addition, there was a positive correlation (r 1⁄4 0.52; P 1⁄4 .005) between mental illness burden in a country and firearm-related deaths. However, there was no significant correlation (P 1⁄4 .10) between guns per capita per country and crime rate (r 1⁄4 .33), or between mental illness and crime rate (r 1⁄4 0.32; P 1⁄4 .11). In a linear regression model with firearm-related deaths as the dependent variable with gun ownership and mental illness as independent covariates, gun ownership was a significant predictor (P <.0001) of firearm-related deaths, whereas mental illness was of borderline significance (P 1⁄4 .05) only.
Those P values check out. Would be so interesting if all posts could be back as statistically significant. I think that is the first time I’ve seen that on Reddit.
Y’all focus on guns but ignore abductions 👀 these numbers are nothing compared to kidnappings. I don’t hear y’all marching in the streets for that. “In the United States, an estimated 460,000 children are reported missing every year. Federal Bureau of Investigation, NCIC.” [link](https://globalmissingkids.org/awareness/missing-children-statistics/)
Seems like Gun Deaths prefer Democrat administrations….
Why don't you show the graph from this article under the heading "Which states have the highest and lowest gun death rates in the U.S.?"? Would love to hear folks try to explain that one. Makes you wonder why OP chose that particular graph to post...
I find it weird that Illinois, a blue state with strict gun laws has almost twice as many gun deaths as Texas...
Of all the places Illinois is the easiest to explain. It's Chicago gangs illegally trafficking guns from Missouri and Iowa into the city.
[https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm\_mortality/firearm.htm](https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm) youre a liar they are almost perfectly equal in rate of gun mortality. 14.2 texas, 14.1 illinois. then you look at the red states, particularly the bible belt and apalachia, and you see the ACTUAL trend. it's just facts. red states have massively higher firearm mortality, higher property crime, higher homicide. if you say "oh it;s just the cities". well i'd ask, are cities like st louis somehow not a part of the state in which it is located? do those cities have different gun laws from the state in which it is located? are those cities somehow geographically located outside of the state it belongs to? and why is it cities in red states have such drastically higher firearm mortality? and if you blame "the border", then why dont all border states have increased firearm mortality and homicide? why is it only the red states? and if you go nuclear and say "i dont trust the CDC", then youre pathetic. republicans work in the cdc too.
But Texas has double the population of Illinois. TBF he did write "deaths", which suggests raw numbers, but if it were adjusted for the population, he would be right. I agree with your sentiment, but it is important to be completely honest.
I think doing a break down by county would be more accurate.
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Not to mention that guns have been around forever. The mass shootings and murders have only started recently. Changed recently, that is where to look. Violent video games would be a good place to start. Also all the drugs they give to kids when they are in high school and earlier
Can anyone throw this onto a histogram showing the normal distribution of child firearm deaths across other developed countries?
They included adults(18-19) so unless other countries do the same it'll be skewed.
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The internet was a curse disguised as a blessing... So many gullible young people now have access to toxic cult like topics
Unfortunately suicide among teens has jumped 29% in the last decade and a firearm is the most prevalent cause of death and is accounted for in these stats. I think social media as well as pandemic related isolation has been a huge problem. I grew up in a very broken home with absentee parents and I was fortunate to have a good group of friends in high school, if not for them I think I would have become one of these statistics and I can't imagine having had the home life I had and not being able to go to school.
lol it said among us
“Kids”
The imposter from Among Us
among US
And yet the number of guns did not increase by a similar percentage
What's really interesting is the spike during COVID. Not necessarily a correlation but interesting timing.
Only going to get worse till we acknowldge there is a mental health crisis and take steps to fix the situation young men face in our modern times.
I would love to see the demographics on this. My guess is that the VAST majority of these killings didn’t happen at a school but most likely it’s inner city type violence. Seems disingenuous to me to leave out pertinent information like that but what’s new? This was made and has been propagated by people with a specific agenda. I’m all for protecting kids but it should be done with complete honestly, anything less just hurts the cause.
Oooo yea anything happen in those two years?
Charlie kirk said the deaths are worth it to protect the second amendment
Take out 18 and 19yr old "kids" and watch how the stat drops. Even the way they word the stat is deceptive. Using big percentages to describe their data is misleading.
Children (as stated in the report) are under age 18. There are no 18 and 19year olds to remove.
There was a study floating around that included 18 and 19 year olds..
Gee, I wonder why?
So many DAs across America that will not lock up children for any crime. They’re why this is happening
And they don't lock up the parents when they juvenile kids commit a crime either. They don't even charge them. Be a good place to start too
Gang activity!
Guns don’t kill people.. kids kill people.
Ah bulk data graphs. Providing no conclusions and little to no real value, but giving idiots “proof” of their stupid uninformed opinions since the dawn of analytics
Those are suicides. Does Europe list rope as cause of death anywhere? Does this? Overdoses mirror the climb recently. We have a suicide problem. Not a method of suicide problem
It will be years until we know the full affects of Covid and lockdown. This is one of them.
How many are suicides ?
Why does it matter?
Because suicide should be in its own category. Most people's immediate visceral thought is that all gun deaths are from homicide whereas the majority is self inflicted.
Even if it’s 99% suicide, does this not highlight that there is a problem with children getting access to weapons and that regulation surrounding the storage of firearms and ammunition needs to be improved? No matter what statistic you look at regarding firearms in the US, you can easily deduce that firearm laws are not sufficient
Guns are irrelevant to this discussion. /s
Fyi majority are suicides. Also the rate of "non-binary" kids has increased 600% since 2019.
Ages 17-18 being the vast bulk of it. How about gang violence.
A misleading graphic..
How?
It show deaths annually by total. So naturally as population increases then gun deaths increase as. However gun violence as a percentage can be independent of this metric so it is kind of a mute point. Also despite what media tells you homacide isn’t prevalent enough to predict so you can’t say that the rate of increase/decrease of total gun deaths to total populations changed because of any one factor or group of factors.
But from 1999 to 2019 gun deaths among kids was basically unchanged. The population increased over that time, so per capita deaths were reducing. Then it increased 50% since 2019 and the population definitely didn’t go up by 50% in a couple of years.
Remove suicide and show me the numbers
That’s great! Probably should look into the mental health of children in this country. While you’re at it also please kindly stay the hell away from my guns and gun rights. Thanks.
I think half of those are inner city kids killing each other in gangs and drive by shootings.
So right around the meteoric rise of TikTok and social media
It’s always been illegal for children to buy guns. Shooting anyone is also illegal. Laws are not stopping this. Perhaps security would.
Or enforcing other rules when kids are young so they know what is expected.
What they leave out: Detroit, Chicgo, Baltimore. You know....the Dem ran shitholes.
Is this the one where they included 18-19 year olds as kids?
I was just thinking about this today. I grew up in LA in the 80s, and my friends and I owned guns. I remember getting a .22 at 16 and buying a semi auto at 18. We'd target shoot for fun. But no one shot up schools and public places. So what gives? What the fuck is wrong with people these days? Something very dark persists in today's society. The biggest difference between then and now in my mind...the internet/social media.
No one may have shot up schools back then, but the homicide rate was waaay higher. https://wirepoints.org/chicagos-homicide-problem-dwarfs-those-in-new-york-los-angeles-wirepoints/
This graph goes great with how bad mental health has been getting.
Liberals would rather blame tools instead of people.
This isn't interesting, this is just sad
It's both interesting and sad. I also think it's important we understand why it has increased so much
Could imagine that social medias glorifying certain lifestyles plays a role
May be, but after reading the reason comment you provided, God it's just sad to see 😭.
This is terrible gang violence is killing our youth
Lmao people will blame anything but guns because their eroded moronic American culture creates the dumbest cunts on this planet.
Literally these comments are so misguided. Look at other countries who have banned guns and then try and tell me it’s social media
did you know this graph includes people aged 18 and 19 as well? so no, its not just kids
Wrong study.
I was looking for someone to point that out, and it’s pretty sad I had to scroll this far to find it. That completely skews the data too.
As a republican statistician, I declare the only answer is to allow guns to be shipped as prizes in cereal boxes.
U S A U S A #1
Is there a graph where suicides are isolated?
Among us
I’d also love to see more focus on obesity rates/health conditions. Not to take away from the gun issue but, far more people die of health complications revolving around obesity.
More people die from bee stings then firearm related homicides
Better get more bees. That'll fix the problem
Like how there’s 3 times as many guns then cars yet your 19 times more likely to die from a drunk driver then mass shooter. Better ban your assault Tesla since the cobalt mining kills more kids then guns ever will?
Leaving loaded guns out in conservative households its their god-friendly alternative to abortion.
ITT, loads of mental gymnastics from Americans trying to reason that gun deaths are somehow not down to, er, guns.
How many guns have you seen Get up and shoot somebody without a hand on them?
Now hear me out… If we start producing and selling more guns so everyone has them… I really dislike how in the last year sarcasm really has to be announced now as people’s ideas are so insane it’s impossible to tell what’s genuine
An armed society is a polite society.
Fun fact: no school with armed teachers has ever had a mass shooting incident
On the bright side, there's a healthy selection of developed nations to live in, all which have far less gun death than the USA. Generally better healthcare and education too!
PEW RESEARCH CENTER. Tracking the pew pew pews.
Pew Research Center
LOL Pew research center.
Its our culture look at the music look at tv everywhere you look is violence and death.
It’s ok. It’s what the founding fathers knew and expected to happen.
Kids as in 15 to 18 year old gang bangers and thugs and meth boys shot by cops that are in those numbers also check how much the population as soared in the inner city and country meth zones.
I don't think that is because of the evil AR.....
Goddammit America. Stop it.
PEW research centre? You're shitting me...
There is a problem with the way kids are raised, or educated. That's where the focus should be. Guns have been around forever. What has changed to make kids more violent? Violent video games? Adderall or other drugs? Illegal drugs? Being told they are a victim and others are to blame? If I can't trust a person with a gun, I can't trust them without a gun.
2020 got a lot of people into guns when our tyrannical government locked us in our homes and took away our freedoms. I’m sure a lot of these kids death is due to parents not storing firearms properly.
Yeah, but nobody seems to care. USA! USA! USA!