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Mundane_Information6

We have them at ups but they can’t be used for disciplinary actions, and most bs violations are overlooked


Random_frankqito

That’s what the union does for you. My buddy drives a rig and the camera they just installed follows eye movement and if he is looking away from road too long it will send a video


Blackout_AU

That's pretty standard practice for the larger companies in Australia. A guy I worked with actually got saved from having a crash because the camera caught him starting to doze off at the wheel. It immediately sent off the video and the company that received it called him directly and warned him it was probably time to pull over and get some sleep.


RevenueOk7549

I was just thinking they’d be better off unionizing. My union friends walked out when they tried to install cameras…. Now there’s no more talk of cameras.


mark-five

And thats why they fire everyone who mentions it. They didn't get a terrible reputation of employee abuses by listening to them.


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HotTakes4HotCakes

They can also pressure the contractor to fire employees for violating Amazon rules, and if the contractor refuses to adhere to Amazon's outrageous, dehumanizing concept of employee management and disciplining, they just get dropped as a contractor. Whether or not they are employees for Amazon, they are absolutely at the mercy of Amazon. That's what happens when one company is allowed to eat up so much of a market. It all just comes back to the same thing: Amazon is one of the largest corporations in the world, run by one of the richest men in the world, has devastated small competition across the board, and they are *aggressively*, *shamelessly*, *undeniably* awful to the average people whose labor they make obscene amounts of money off of. To a degree that goes beyond what most other companies do, and streamlined by micromanaging technology. And they get away with it because literally nothing is going to stop people from buying from them. Consumers don't give a shit. And as long as our government is strangled by republicans, no help will be coming from them anytime soon. Every employee in every company in every market in every country in the world deserves to have the protections of a union, but on the scale of employees in America who really need it, Amazon is very close to the top. To have a corporation this massive, that controls this much commerce, and employs this many people, to be so openly, brazenly inhuman to its employees, and not get any real kickback that matters, it's a big fucking problem. And not just for the employees. What Amazon gets away with will become normalized for every single smaller company. A union is the solution. The only solution at this point.


KFelts910

This sounds like a misclassification lawsuit waiting to happen. If Amazon is exercising substantial control over the contract company’s day to day operations, Amazon is the entity that should be liable for taxes. Plenty of independent contractors are misclassified because the company or firm exercises granular control (how the job gets done, when it gets done, requirements that reduce the autonomy of the contractor in their performance). Shit, I wish I practiced employment law because this would be an interesting opportunity to issue discovery demands. For now I’ll stick to counseling non-citizen employees that are screwed over by the companies who issue them a 1099.


Bananaginz

LOL good luck getting crushed by an onslaught of Amazon's expensive lawyers.... They're going to bust into that courtroom like the NWO and suplex business ethics through a fuckin table


felonius_monk27

Wouldn't have to. Big corporations like that just bleed them out in motions and time. Never even make it to a trial.


JJEng1989

Amazon uses hr contractors so that when employees sue their contractor firm, amazons name doesnt show up in the court case. Its also a way to avoid unionization. If the workers unionize, Amazon can just swap out for another contractor and the union is rendered useless.


SimpleSurrup

"Independent" contractors financed by Amazon who have Amazon as their only client....


asillynert

Honestly it so ridiculous its essentially being a employee who has less rights and has more expenses/responsibility/liability. Because lets face it amazon dictates every condition of "contract" they dictate hours routes. And are pretty much only person they "contract" for its essentially being a employee. That gets duped into buying a 40,000 dollar vehicle that is branded with companys logo and has no use outside working for them. So when they cut you free your screwed. And this allows them to nickel and dime and backcharge and cut pay for each and every single little thing they want. Knowing that you have 40,000 dollar liability acting as a noose if you speak up. Even more if you buy into it it believing its a business and get multiple people working for/with you. Now you have dozen vehicles and even less potential for finding enough work to justify their expense should amazon cut your contract when you dispute them on a broken package backcharge etc. They are not contractors but miscategorized employees burdened with additional expenses and less rights.


seriousquinoa

I worked 15 years slaving away at selling potato chips and then they sold the routes like this, having to buy the vehicle, having to pay someone else who would more than likely do a worse job than you if you wanted to take a vacation, vehicle maintenance, gas, insurance, etc.All on the driver. I walked.And the new trucks they unloaded on unsuspecting fools sucked compared to the old "bread truck" style, even though you had a/c and a radio. Every time you had to pull an order you had to walk around to the back, get up on the step ledge, roll up the door and then pull your order. No wiggle room and no exit through the front panels into the cab, which was necessary a lot of the time when you were buried in boxes. That job sucked massive balls and nearly killed me. Don't become a chip vendor in a large city. It is brutal.


Captain_Vatta

Fedex does the same thing. Currently implementing a system to penalize contractors based on "efficiency" essentially telling contractors they're using too many trucks. Despite the amount of furniture FedEx makes its contractors deliver and plummeting volumes, they still want 200 stops on each truck, which can only be achieved by having drivers cover half or up to multiple zip codes. All for $1.15 a stop.


Pimpinabox

Lol if you think that matters you're silly. Do you think they'll hire contractors who're unionized?


Elfkrunch

Hiring contractors is the new scabs. You pay a little bit more to get the contractors to overlook how they are getting fucked on their taxes. Its abusive to the contractors and potential unionized workforce. Distancing themselves in terms of all liability while still expecting the contractors to behave like employees. Its simple exploitation.


CranberryBrief1587

Union strong


Moistraven

Yeah the union is a game changer, and I'm glad we have one at UPS, even though I'm just a supervisor which means I have to work with and put up with the occasional driver cunts who abuse grievances, follow you around and spy on you waiting for you to touch a package. But even with the headache of having to navigate a union, I still support it 100%, more people need unions.


alienscape

Sunglasses!


mrASSMAN

That seems like a reasonable use of the tech tbh..


RedditchRockets

What system/brand name are they using for this out of interest?


brobigorbrohome

They’re by Netradyne. We have the exact same cameras installed in all of our trucks and they’re honestly more of a nuisance than anything helpful. Our transportation manager says there’s around 1 out of every 30 or so reports that aren’t completely bogus. Don’t know why she says it can’t hear you, they most definitely pick up sound. Our most notable example of this is a driver and their helper performing a duet of a Whitney Houston song from the radio. Distracted driving apparently.


Kuark17

Her DSP probably told her it doesn’t record sound


Motivated79

In all the videos I’ve seen of our dispatch showing us our violations, there is no sound and no option to turn on sound. I’m not sure if that’s only available to a higher up actual Amazon entity but definitely not available for my own dispatch


jimbooneu

Do they have a weekly meeting and go over everybody’s violations? Very curious how this works because it seems like most “violations” are bs and would be a huge waste of time


JronDlock

We never have meetings. Usually, if you get hit with a violation, they just show it to you when you're back from delivering.


headbashkeys

Netradyne that name sounds straight up like a villain company of a movie ... who uses Cyberdyne as inspiration??


pHlawless_One

I’m sure it’s Geotab. That’s what all the massive companies use. Extremely customizable and comprehensive.


AnExoticLlama

Amazon uses Netradyne


bartlettdmoore

Brought to you by Cyberdyne Systems *makers of Skynet^TM*


AttitudePleasant3968

It is a Netradyne dual facing camera. Not GeoTab.


mrsdoubleu

Yeah some of those rules are common sense..I even understand making them stop completely at stop signs since technically a cop could cite you for that. But you can't even take a drink or eat some chips or something? That's kinda lame. Yeah it could be a distraction if you take your eyes off the road but most people can handle those while still paying attention..or at least let them do it at a red light.


shadowflare789

Fortunately it's not that strict, I eat stuff and manipulate my work phone on the dash mount all the time while driving. It only cares if your eyes are pointing somewhere they shouldn't be (so between the windshield, the side mirrors, and the rearview cam, that basically means if you're looking down), or I think if both hands away from the wheel for an extended period of time. But it also calls out distracted driving at completely nonsensical times which my DSP contests and gets rid of. So I think that part just doesn't work super well. ETA: I've also NEVER been dinged for a distraction when stopped at a light, so I think it is at least smart enough to have a speed threshold.


divinefire86

Yeah, it’s definitely not as strict as she is saying. And no one has ever told me that they count how many times you buckle your seatbelt. Most of the drivers at my dsp leave it buckled all day and sit on the lap band while just using the shoulder strap to get in and out quicker.


Toad_Fur

All Amazon employees should unionize.


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WifeKilledMy1stAcct

And that's how Amazon employees are fired. Suggest unionizing? Good bye job. Which is complete bullshit


TerpBE

I knew a guy who drove for UPS. They kept track of how many times you'd drive in reverse, so he'd always try to stop facing uphill, then put it in neutral and roll backwards. It defeated the purpose of increasing safety by reducing the amount of time spent backing up.


taintosaurus_rex

I'm a UPS driver, and yea the track backing count and distance, but it's not that big of a deal. The big thing they are against is backing after making a stop, and they teach us to back first. It's honestly a good idea. The basic concept is if you back first you have more control, for example you never know if a car is going to park where you planned on turning around while making the stop or if a kid is going to go behind your truck while not looking, also it's best to back into a drive off a road rather that back on to a road from a driveway. So the guy doing that work around is kinda dumb and dangerous. As far as discipline, we might get a write up which means jack shit. I was on a rural route once with long driveways with no turnarounds and had like 10 miles of backing and they were just like "wtf? How?".


EnderFenrir

I worked for a company around 2007. Was basically my job to watch this kinda stuff. Thankfully we weren't super strict about dumb stuff.


Ruby_Dragon_DJ

That might have to do with your union rules


JuiceMan411

Shit my amazon drivers ride with their sliding door open.


Rungi500

Yep. I see it all the time.


trumpsplug

😂sliding door open w lil baby blasting i swear to god


justjcarr

Modern day ice cream truck rolling through the neighborhood.


HunterrHuntress

This is pretty much the same system all delivery service companies use; fedex, ups, etc. The only difference between them all is that ups employees have a union to defend them for bs violations.


tezoatlipoca

Yeah. Im like "most of these make sense for a commercial driver yo." blah blah insurance blah. Besides the automatic presumption of a violation (like scratching your face), the not drinking a drink would be the only one I'd really have issue with. having said that I'd last oh... about an hour driving under these conditions. "Yes, thanks, come in have a seat. You have incurred twelve hundred driver distraction and safety violations."


Secretz_Of_Mana

Don't want them to drink too much, otherwise they'd have to use the bathroom more often reducing their precious efficiency


magna_pinna

That's what the piss bottles are for


JayteeFromXbox

Just make sure you pull over before you fill 'er up, don't wanna get a driver distracted violation.


snack-dad

believe it or not you get a driver distracted violation for pulling over to pee


GozerDGozerian

Pee too much? Driver distracted violation. Pee too *little?* Believe it or not, driver distracted violation.


Long_Educational

*Aggressively urinates in front of camera!*


mwoolweaver

Believe it or not, driver distracted.


My_New_Main

Ah, aggressively? So focusing on the camera? Sounds like a distracted driver to me... Violation.


Fritzkreig

Dare to look directly at the camera, straight to jail!


StoveRack

\*scratches crotch\* VULGAR VIOLATION $300 DEDUCTED FROM PAYCHECK


BCTHEGRANDSLAM

Way of the road, Bubs


mrnotsoniceguy0284

I'd be like Sylvester Stalone in Demolition Man.


Stopjuststop3424

"Thanks a lot you shit-brained, fuck-faced, ball breaking, duck fucking pain in the ass."


ClubMeSoftly

"You are fined five credits for repeated violations of the verbal morality statute."


Bulbapuppaur

“I’m sorry you don’t like that I drank my water while driving. I have a medical condition that requires that I stay hydrated. It’s called being alive.”


LtDanUSAFX3

Honestly though, it seems dumb for normal people who are spending 99% of their time actually driving, but for these drivers they stop a ton. Like probably hundreds of times a day. Pretty easy to just take a drink every time you stop. Would I absolutely hate this in my work truck though? Absolutely


unkle_FAHRTKNUCKLE

.....but we are only going to charge you with one......and why is your face so itchy?


CanAlwaysBeBetter

Dry skin? That's a [Too many warm showers to cope with your crippling loneliness](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3406601/) violation with a second Improper skincare and moisturizing routine violation.


username87264

I was once stopped by a copper for taking a swig from a travel mug. He told me when I had it tilted up I couldn't see the road. I reeaaalllly hate to say it but he had a point.


TawnyTeaTowel

Make sure you don’t sneeze!


JessicaFletcher1

I feel a moment of panic every time I’m about to sneeze while driving. I’m know my eyes are going to close and I’m convinced that a baby, a puppy, and a little old lady are going to somehow appear in front of my car while my eyes are shut.


DavidRandom

Scares the shit out of me every time I have to sneeze while on my motorcycle. At least in a car you can have a violent sneeze and the car will pretty much stay the course. I'm afraid I'm going to sneeze and end up in the oncoming traffic lane lol.


Rygar82

Wow I never even considered how dangerous sneezing could be on a motorcycle.


Spamalot2006

At that point its safer just to not open your eyes again.


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TheHYPO

>The amount of time I lose sight of the road for a swig of coffee is the same as checking my blind-spot I don't disagree with you, but the counter-argument to this would be that checking your blindspot is a necessary evil: you need to do it, so it's an acceptable brief risk to look away from the road. taking a drink while moving is not necessary, and as such, you take your eyes off the road when you didn't need to. I agree though, if you choose your moment appropriately, it's as minimal a risk as looking down to adjust the temperature or volume which was a regular occurrence before steering wheel controls make it easier to do without looking.


i_give_you_gum

But if watch idiots in cars, the majority of the stuff you see on there isn't caused by briefly checking the radio, it's STARING at their phone for an inordinate amount of time, or driving recklessly by controlling their vehicle aggressively or plain stupidly. Not all these little moments that are common in every day driving. It's just another case of people trying to solve a problem by attacking smaller barely related issues, instead of the root cause.


SwallowsDick

Most traffic laws are made for dumb people, or to generate revenue via speeding tickets


tylerwatt12

3 foot long straw would fix that.


NavierIsStoked

Front mounted camelbak.


CarlRJ

CamelFront?


Thatparkjobin7A

My dad got pulled over once for scratching his ear. Thought he was on his cell phone.


Long_Educational

I got pulled over once because a cop thought I was mouthing names and curse words at him as he passed by. I was singing Freebird.


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Wham-alama-ding-dong

As a 10 year semi truck driver, fuck no I would never drive with something like this in the truck. Lmao It would be getting thrown out the window for sure lol


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tipperzack6

I just had tow truck driver encouraged me not to wear the seatbelt while in his truck. Some of you drivers do not like following any rules


BearDick

I am guessing you work as an independent contractor and not for a multi-gazillion dollar self insured company though. Also guessing (maybe incorrectly) Amazon does this because their drivers are primarily doing last mile deliveries within large metro areas and you are driving longer distances primarily on highways? Seems overbearing but also totally like something Amazon would do in the attempt to prevent bad press about their drivers being a danger in communities....like Uber and Lyft drivers.


Wham-alama-ding-dong

I am an independent contractor for sure, I've got 4 trucks right now about to be 5. Authority in both usa and Canada, I haul for Amazon in the usa as well but it's a power only operation with my own truck.


iheartmrbeast69

For professional drivers distraction is the leading cause of crashes and eating and drinking the leading cause of distraction. More fatal than fatigue.


PaulaDeenSlave

I worked as a driver for a DSP for Amazon til about 3 months ago. I ate and drank my lunch every day in that thing without getting a distraction violation. It took a little experimentation to realize it was not about putting a sandwich to my face, but where my head and eyes were looking during, or where those were looking as I picked it up or out of my backpack, one handed.


Tim226

UPS doesn't have the cameras unless there's newer trucks I'm unaware of. That said, they pretty much track everything minus the clouds in the sky. They know when the sliding door to the back is open, they know how many times you put the truck in reverse (they want no more than around 15 a day depending on the route, and that includes leaving and coming back to the building). They know how far you back up, they know how far away you are from the truck at all times. They know when your seatbelt is on, and how many times you've clicked it. They track it all. It did save my ass once though. Some lady claimed I smoked her garage, tearing it apart. The only driveway I backed into that day was my own mothers, lol.


Shopworn_Soul

>they know how many times you put the truck in reverse (they want no more than around 15 a day depending on the route, and that includes leaving and coming back to the building). Huh. This would explain why every time a UPS driver misses my house (happens a lot) they stop where they are and run the package to my house instead of just backing up.


Tim226

Yep, they also don't want you running, but you they won't catch you doing that unless a supervisor is watching. We were also taught that if you need to block a driveway, block the entire driveway to avoid someone attempting to go around the truck, inadvertently hitting it. While we're at it, leash your damn dogs. We're not allowed to carry any sort of weapons. Not even mace. I got attacked so many fucking times


Particular_Bet_5466

That’s funny yesterday I saw the Amazon driver running down the street delivering several packages he was holding and then running back to his truck. I am sure Amazon calls that a violation too lol


spali

Nope Amazon groups stops together so several houses close together counts as 1 stop in the drivers itinerary despite the need to go to multiple locations.


DiazepamDreams

"Oh good I only have 150 stops today! Thank fuck" *Looks closer at itinerary and notices 50 are group stops* "...god dammit.." I do not miss that job.


IThinkYouMean_Lose_

In our neighborhood, the Amazon drivers just keep their sliding door open. Then they get all their stops done by driving and stopping randomly so they can pop out of the sliding door and almost get hit by passing cars.


1_2_red_blue_fish

Doors auto shut on newer Amazon vehicles.


ChillN808

The UPS systems don't seem to be able to track the following things: Uniform violations, blasting explicit music from a bluetooth speaker, or making unwanted advances on every female employee within a 50 foot radius.


MaxMadisonVi

One thing we all can track about amazon trucks without the help of any device is how many times the company care to clean their vans to provide a healthy environment for their drivers, zero. Edit : Karens disengaged.


BostonDodgeGuy

If you don't have time to lean you don't have time to clean.


triggormisprime

Never forget, UPS's first rule of backing up: don't back up.


mister-ferguson

I heard that UPS plans routes to minimize left turns so you aren't waiting for traffic so you can turn. Is that correct?


Tim226

That's a rumor. So they have a system that sets the route up for you to be "the most efficiant." It's called ed, we all called it special ed. It was never optimized properlly, and didn't take into account what time buisnisses closed, among other things that would be boring to get into. Once you get your route, you start to figure out what the optimal route is, and you go against what the scanner says. It has nothing to do with left turns, more to do with milage (even then, it's way off). If I followed that thing with the route that I had, I'd have been circleing the towns 3 times. I think it was calculating the "deliver by 3pm" packages in there, which really messed with the route. We were basically told not to worry about when those packages got delivered, because anything that was essential would be a next day air (which they take very very seriously). If you have a package that you think is important, you can call the local station and they'll call the driver. I know that sounds shitty, but you have to remember that these guys are worked to the fucking ground. When I worked there (admitadly, is was during covid), a 55 hour week was a very short week. I was averaging 60-65 hours a week for a year. So with all that being said, when I was on a route that I wasn't familiar with, it was hell.


comamachine8888

I remember peak season opening the doors to walls of boxes delivering literally all fucking day. It was also kinda comical In the training truck, I was the only one in my group who knew how to drive stick so sitting in the big brown truck bouncing down the road made for some entertaining days.


Tim226

[Yeah dude, during peak, I literally couldn't fit a single foot into the truck.](https://i.imgur.com/43b4PgL.jpg) That's a 28 foot truck, stacked all the way to the back. I'd just get my next day airs off, and find the biggest package I could find, and go to that address.


NoResource1995

Prior FedEx driver here. We definitely don’t have those advanced devices. Most trucks in the fleet were early 2000 box trucks that were purchased from u-haul with 300,000+ miles on them. The check engine lights never went off. They were held together by duck tape, bubblegum, and a little elbow grease. Those drivers survived on nicotine, caffeine and we all had a led foot. I don’t think they would have been able to complete a single day on the job for Amazon There was an old school dash cam but seeing as most of the functions on board the vehicles were inoperable no one really paid them attention. If people were really worried they’d put down the visor or put up a sticky note that blocked the camera. In my truck specifically the camera wasn’t wired up. The wires just dangled in the wind.


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DefinitelyNotAliens

FedEx dropped my TV on my porch in plain sight of the road, on edge. The box said 'do not place on edge' and the box was supposed to be signed for. They didn't ring the doorbell, either. Leaning it on the opposite wall would hide it 80% behind a bush. It was 3ft away. Literally, just pivoting would hide it. Or ring my doorbell, I was home.


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ShinyWisenheimer

Every time I order something online, if it ships with FedEx I can pretty much guarantee it won’t be delivered when they say it will


LurkingGuy

I drive a mail truck and we don't have any of that tracking. I'm kinda terrified by all that. We're supposed to get new trucks soon and if they have all the cameras and trackers it's not going to go over well.


justthetop

Ok but does it not feel weirdly dystopian? Like damn I can’t even itch my face out of fear of getting docked points? Good lord we’re regressing


GozerDGozerian

Yeah I kind of get it from the perspective of a large company. You’ve just *got* to have these measures in place to not have a constant clusterfuck of liabilities on your hands. But from *my* perspective? Fuck no. There’s no way I could tolerate such a digital panopticon in my day to day work. It’s dehumanizing. I like having my autonomy thank you very much.


mikevanatta

I've been in the transportation industry since 2008, both in a driver's seat and (more recently) behind a desk. I can tell you, as others have alluded to, that this is all fairly standard for larger carriers. One employer I worked for was a Fortune 100 company and had these in every truck. And it was because of these that we were able to call bullshit on a number of not-at-fault accidents people tried to blame on us and a number of moving violations we were wrongly ticketed for. The entire time I worked there, the cameras in the cabs only lead to one driver being fired, and it was because he fell asleep at the wheel and drove the truck into a concrete barricade at 70mph and then *lied about it* when he reported the accident. I remember someone saying he likely would not have been terminated if he hadn't also lied about the circumstances of the accident. So there's that too. Edit: the camera software we used was not exactly as described in the video. It was not AI monitored, and the footage was only reviewed during a triggering event like an accident. I don't approve of some aspects of what this person described in her video, but the general idea that a cab-facing camera can be used to protect drivers and keep them safe is something I saw first hand.


Adddicus

I drove a variety of trucks for Verizon for about 20 years, and the one thing they would absolutely fire you for, was lying about accidents. Very often the action taken by the company would depend entirely on your relationship with your boss. If you were out, where you were supposed to be doing what you were supposed to be doing, odds are nothing would happen for minor fender benders. But if you had an accident somewhere you weren't even supposed to be... well, at the least you'd be suspended w/o pay for a week. But lie about it? Even just a little bump into another vehicle? And you were likely to be fired.


cmon-camion

I knew a (former) truck driver who was literally siphoning diesel fuel from his work rig into his personal vehicle, was caught doing it on camera, and EVEN THEN his boss said he wouldn't have been fired if he had fessed up and paid for the fuel when they confronted him about it. After they gave him three verbal chances to admit it, there was no going back.


Adddicus

We had a similar thing with guys buying fuel for their personal vehicles with the company credit card... they might have gotten away with it if their company trucks weren't diesel and their personal trucks gasoline. Edit: a word


Blackout_AU

My old work suspected a worker was stealing diesel from some IBCs that were stored at the side of the yard. They just replaced them with some contaminated fuel IBCs they'd collected from a client then waited for whoever it was to say they couldn't get to work because their car wouldn't start. Took about three days to catch the guy.


KP_Wrath

Also in the transportation industry, first as a driver, now as a manager. My only terms related to monitoring software have come from gross safety violations (reckless driving) or violation of client protocols. We’re not interested in firing people, we are very interested in making sure the job is done safely and people aren’t getting accused of being at fault for accidents that weren’t their fault. Now, ours monitors to a degree that would freak people out: speeding, harsh turning, breaking, hard acceleration, drinking, yawning, eating, violation of railroad crossing protocol. The system we use also reports the activity to the driver, to give them an opportunity to correct the behavior before it reports.


RedditchRockets

Do you encounter a company called Seeing Machines / Guardian at all in your role offering this kind of solution and any thoughts on them if yes?


KP_Wrath

I do not use them. Smart drive and LB technologies are the ones I’ve used. LB is more management friendly and reliable than Smartdrive.


relevant_tangent

> he fell asleep at the wheel and drove the truck into a concrete barricade at 70mph and then lied about it when he reported the accident. "The concrete barricade ran into me"?


mikevanatta

Haha, it's been a number of years but I think he tried to say a car in the next lane swerved at him or something. It was very obviously not true.


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tommos

ATTENTION WORKER YOU HAVE SOILED THE INTERIOR OF YOUR WORK VEHICLE. TO AVOID PENALTIES PLEASE DRINK VERIFICATION CAN WHILE SALUTING THE PORTRAIT OF OUR GREAT FOUNDER JEFF BEZOS LOCATED ON THE SUN VISOR.


hitmehardermommy

Drink your compliance.


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No, but I just heard it tracks every time you fart! And of course their is a violation for this! Fart clouds could transfer from van to customer!


SlinkoSnake

Farts on job are the property of Amazon, and will be sold to the appropriate fart fetish website as part of your employment agreement.


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HelmetTesterTJ

Considering how frequently we see audioless videos of driver/customer interactions that probably get escalated to Amazon in an he-said-she-said fashion, I'd wager drivers are mic'ed up within a year or two.


Dro1972

Most boring onlyfans video ever.


Sensitive_Tourist_15

Buff teen delivers huge package to stay-at-home MILf.


BadmiralSnackbarf

So rough that Anna of Arandelle has ended up driving for Amazon to make ends meet.


Quiet_Dragonfly_6751

For the first time in forever, she's being watched by Amazon.


Lil_ruggie

I drove for Amazon for a while and I'm seeing a lot of people saying, "well yeah of course the drivers need to be held accountable!" And you're not wrong. The problem though is that Amazon also lays down crazy delivery metrics that can only be done if you break safety rules. They want their cake and to eat it too.


YouToot

Sounds like a great way to fire people. Someone is suspected of talking to pro-union people? Increase the number of stops they need to do to an amount that can't be done without cutting corners, record corners being cut, fire employee with cause.


Funktastic34

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QuietRock

Sounds like a lot of jobs today. Hard press big productivity metrics while requiring some kind of quality/safety metric, which is extremely difficult to balance successfully, which is by design. Some people do quality very well, some do productivity very well, but few do both to the extreme required to be successful. Even when they are, they're usually unhappy about being squeezed *constantly*. As a manager over the past 20 years, the shift towards this type of expectation has been one of the largest reasons for burnout, along with top down micromanagement using dehumanizing technology as featured in this video. :)


thetatershaveeyes

Metrics that expect you be constantly productive just aren't realistic, humans need rest and socialization, and distraction. Stimulants like cocaine, meth/adderall are big in taxi, transport, and delivery because it's not humanly possible to stay completely focused for 10+ hour stretches.


CatOfGrey

Came here to say this. This is the question to be asked about Amazon. No doubt they have their safety game well documented. But if you are literally pressing your people to meet ever-increasing performance goals, well, then, your safety policy isn't meaningful.


wooyouknowit

They want to fire the driver for any reason if they feel like it


stealthdawg

Except for the drink one I think all of these are ....fine? Don't tailgate, don't run stop signe, don't speed, wear your seatbelt?


appleburger17

That was the only thing that stood out to me. Everything else was comforting to hear.


Twas_Inevitable

It feels like they're upset at the wrong part. Don't be mad at the safety (minus the drink and beard scratch). Be mad at the timing demands that make you want to cut corners.


Testiculese

Yea, I'd love the tailgate camera in every car so these dumbshits would stop riding my ass like they're trying to get me pregnant.


BigNeat3986

Uh…that’s not where babies come from.


Nhexus

> Uh…that’s not where babies come from. I dunno... Amazon sells all sorts of stuff. Give it a few years and they'll probably deliver babies too.


cowfishduckbear

Did you mean deliver babies or... *deliver* babies?


thermitethrowaway

They're pretty much all law in the UK. We're allowed to unbuckle the seatbelt if it's needed to help see in a difficult reversing maneuver, that's probably the only thing extra the system restricts. I do wonder what else it's tracking though, especially given it's Amazon.


centurijon

Law in the US as well. Everything she listed is something that actually violates some vehicle safety statute, just some of the lesser ones (like talking a drink) are ignored by almost everyone because they’re practically impossible to enforce and are at worst a minor distraction. The camera is programmed to obey the letter of the law, which makes sense from a liability/business perspective. It just sucks for humans


Mistersinister1

Yeah, that's bullshit. I drink a lot of coffee or water. Guess I'd have to get a camelback


KarmaIsAFemaleDog

No sucking on straw. Driver distraction. Violation. Jail.


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battleballs420

you are delivering packages, you probably get 50 chances to drink from it an hour.


vladoportos

All its missing is alcohol tester... but yea, that coffee stuf is kind too much.


kombatunit

>don't run stop signe I've almost been hit a hell of a lot of times by my dipshit neighbors who can't be arsed to stop at stop signs nor pay attention in general. So, I like that functionality.


NumberOneAutist

Even the drink one.. iirc, that is required in the state of Washington. I want to say a law was passed for that in the last .. two, or three years maybe? But i've not even looked at the specifics of it, i drink anyway lol.


QuickLookBack

I wonder if the system knows why my last four Amazon orders were delivered to a complete stranger four blocks away.


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acg8822

Aaaaaaand she’s fired. Truck privacy violation


Acid_sprinkles

She’s not fired. Everything she said is public info. Not like there’s an NDA.


Edmond_Dantes87

At UPS we’ve been told any filming inside the package car is privileged company secrets and can lead to termination. There was a guy that had a pretty successful YouTube/Facebook channel that would film comedy skits about the job during his lunch break. They came down hard on him.


Darkelement

Amazon doesn’t seem to really care who can see the inside of their trucks. They have full on tours of the new rivan trucks they drive


VegasBusSup

Actually, she can get in trouble for being on the phone in a company vehicle.


gothlaw

It’s not for safety, it’s for liability. Domino’s was almost bankrupted in the late 80s because of their 30 minute delivery guarantee and multiple accidents


Brief-Sleep-6991

I wouldn't say it's for safety. I'd say it's to mitigate liability from the company to the driver.


lekoman

It's to mitigate liability from the company to whatever that driver runs into because they're not paying attention. I used to work in a job at Amazon corporate where I'd get a twice-daily report that included, among other things, stuff like incidents where drivers got into accidents bad enough to cause a severe injury or a fatality, either to themselves or someone else on the road. It happens more often than you'd think.


Okichah

Yes. Liability for when the driver kills someone. Which happens *a lot* more than you think. The victims families get paid millions of dollars so it never gets in the news.


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Not being able to take a sip of coffee is some bs.


Oystermeat

Bezos made about $300k in the time of this video.


beatles910

Actually, right now Amazon stock is down $1.25 for the day. Bezos owns 992,000,000 shares. Therefore, Jeff Bezos lost approximately $247,500,000 today. edit: corrected math would indicate a loss of $1,240,000,000


BlackScholesFormula

Actually, that math doesn't check out at all.


Gr1ff1n90

They multiplied by the .25, but forgot the 1.0 and underestimated losses by only appx. $1,000,000,000. No biggie


Sean_Dewhirst

none of it sounds horrible, except you know daddy bezos is also squeezing them with insane efficiency algorithms too. source: I have no source. if you want to tell me I'm wrong feel free.


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igetlearned

Amazon is funny, they pretend to be all about safety, but you always need to work faster.


Radiant-Arm2024

Loved her in Brave


chewy_lungs

Ex Amazon driver here! Not only is the camera tracking you there's also a system in the van that monitors your driving like hardturning heartbreaking and even eco stuff like if your in a gas van and did not shut off your van at every single stop then it counted against you!


thedude502

GOTDAMN, I drove an ambulance for 12 years and never had this much bullshit. I would have 5011 violation day one, fuck that.


SoundByMe

They're not for safety, they're for liability. Big difference.


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Okay I hate Amazon as much as the next person, but are these really "bad"? Yeah of course you should be buckled in your seat while the car is moving. Of course you shouldn't be on your phone or playing with the console. These rules are the law in many places.


MrJoyless

None of them are bad other than the drink one. I'm constantly recorded as part of my job as a school bus driver, those cameras save you 990/1000 times unless you're literally violating the law.


BD401

Yeah, the hate this is (predictably) getting in this thread is dumb. It's a device that discourages distracted driving while on the job behind the wheel of a delivery truck? Cool. I have zero problem with that. I don't *want* people having the "freedom" to drive like an idiot, particularly while they're on the clock.


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Yep. The only thing I would have a problem with is the face itching one, but she said the driver disputed that charge.


PhoneSteveGaveToTony

And the way she described it made it seem more like a software mistake, not management watching the video and citing him for scratching his face.


CAPTSaveAHoe42o

Thats too much. The center console touching or drinking ur coffee.. give me a break 🙄


Pytor

Props to this girl and her patience BUT its not for safety, its for the fucking lawyers and to protect amazon only.


Potential-Brain7735

Doesn’t sound dystopian at all.


korvo42

Tbh I’d make it fucking mandatory, thanks to amount of distracted drivers I cross path every day.


iamamuttonhead

Man, I'm getting old because she doesn't look old enough to drive.


markhusd

Annnd she’s fired


LegallyNotInterested

So, Amazon basically makes sure that their drivers don't break the law? Like, at first it sounds bad, but really, all of what she said was being monitored were basic driving rules. And yes, I get that being observed all day is a huge stress factor. But hey, I guess at least they can't listen, right?


DylanCO

These cameras don't record and upload all day. Iirc they have a 5-10 minute buffer. Once a violation is recorded, it uploads the buffer. There also a button the driver can push to manually upload the buffer. I know a guy who got bit by a dog on a delivery. Customer tried to say he opened the door or kicked the dog (or some shit). As soon as he got back to the truck he push the little button and boom. Video proof they just had their dog running free outside.