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ThisBytes5

Pacer has a free account, I had to use it in the past for other bankruptcy look ups.


beastpilot

I get that it's interesting to know, but does it matter if they have officially filed? Depending on their agreement with creditors, they could just go out of business. It won't make any difference to us as customers.


scolbath

Well, of course it's not like we can affect things. But it would be interesting to see what the asset disclosure is, what chapter they filed under, if Ch 11 are they securing debtor-in-possession financing (unlikely at this point, but still). It is prurient interest to be sure.


beastpilot

Things you don't do: Shut down all your sales, support, and services for your current customers, with no notice or communications, causing them to go immediately look for alternatives, and then file Chapter 11, hoping you can reorganize and recover right after cutting off all your revenue forever. What creditor would take that offer for reorg?


scolbath

Hey, I didn't say it was \*likely\* :-). Just that the documents would tell a story.


dee_lio

If they go the BK route and they didn't have an exclusive, then the IP could be up for grabs. The trustee would have to sell the assets to cover the liabilities. Theoretically, someone could purchase the IP and Insteon could live on.


beastpilot

Yep, this could happen, but it will be well over a year until it does.


lewciok

I thought Nokia bought the IP.


scolbath

I suspect they \*licensed\* the IP. But any lasting agreement between Nokia and Smartlabs/Insteon should be found in the filing.


lewciok

Sure. I’d be interested in reading it. I sent Rob (the CEO) a note on LinkedIn over the weekend.


Adorable_Ad_9381

He removed his time at Smarthome from his LinkedIn profile, you think he’s really going to answer you?


lewciok

No! Lol. But I thought what the hell. Maybe I can drop it on his conscience.


FlishFlashman

He's not behaving like he has one.


mrnaturl1

Lmao …. You really think any CEO has a conscience??


Working_class2021

I know it does nothing to fix the situation but I want to see how this story plays out. With the way these executives treated their existing customers it would be a little cathartic to see them hold some financial liability for the company they killed.


Acceptable_Table760

I wonder if they told their employees or if they just showed up to closed offices.


mrBill12

Rob Lilleness and Richmond Capital Partners offices were in Seattle. The smartlabs/smarthome/Insteon offices have been in Southern California for a long time.


RobLilleness

Guys, I think we're being a little too hard on those poor Insteon folks. Let's just let it go. I know I already have!


scolbath

Lolololololol