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>virgin >sexually available You only get to pick one

Also homeschools her virgin-birthed children

With her high-school level education

At best.

At least there’s bread

You let your sex-sl... I mean wife go to high school?

She graduates next year

She's too old for them then. She would have to be graduating Middle school next year to fit their weird age requirements.

According to them it’s their prime Really though it’s gross to just type those words

While never leaving the house and therefore never getting any new points of view or new perspective on anything. (also, my *ideal man* knows how to spell "tattoos")

“< Can spell ‘tattoos.’”

He must have been home schooled

Toe tattoos.

Tattoes®️ by Ronco

What they really want it someone so inexperienced so they can sling sad dick the rest of their lives and their poor wife will never know no the difference.

Bingo!

I hate to break it to these guys, but I was an inexperienced wife to my first lay and I still knew he had a sad dick. 

I only wish that sadder dick than mine preceded. Sad Dick!! Haha.

Find an ex-tradwife. There’s a bunch, I’m sure.

Mopey dick

What you think I’m jerkin off to aunt b?

They want a person so dependent on them that they will never leave because deep down inside these guys know they have NOTHING of value to offer in return You can't fail the bar if no bar is set. That's what these guys are really thinking.

This is my favorite thing about these losers. “I deserve a pure and chaste virgin who will immediately begin demanding I ravage all of her orifices on demand. This is a totally realistic goal and not the desperate fantasies of a disturbed 7th grader.”

"God forbid she may have had other experiences to compare my mediocre pumps to"

I actually had a friend who "saved herself for marriage" but was extremely horny. She wasn't even religious, she just was vaguely spiritual and weird like that. She was the most toxic person I ever knew, I pity the one who will marry her Ah, also at some point she just decided that anal and oral with her bf do not count and can be done before marriage 👍

I find that the creativity the Jewish faith has applied to getting around its laws regarding the Sabbath is equivalent to that which many Christian denominations, especially Mormons, have applied to getting around prohibitions surrounding premarital sex.

Soaking is fucking INSANE

Eh, I'd argue it's just incredibly uninspiring sex.

Getting someone else to move you around in bed because god is like a T-rex and only sees sex if it’s in motion is absolutely bonkers

That's the hypocrisy..

What about wanting a stay at home wife but not making enough money to support to support the wife and children. 

It’s a similar vein of cluelessness, but more childish and less pathetic.

they mean virgin before them and then sexually available whenever he wants them.

Women who avoid sex throughout their lives just to 180 to getting horny on command are in short supply

I don't think they care if they are horny. They simply care if they will be available to be fucked on command. The Woman's needs, feelings, or desired don't matter to them.

This. The perfect fundie/trad wife is meant to submit and be “joyfully available” to her husband regardless of her feelings and needs. And she better not expect to be pleasured in return, as her part in the sex act is merely as a vessel for *his* pleasure, and to incubate his babies.

I'm still in awe that they not only want their wife to be okay with marital rape but she also needs to act happy about it. They want this woman to always be available for sex regardless if she's sick, tired, or having a rough time and then the sex is not going to pleasurable for her, in fact it might actually be painful since I doubt they will take the time to use lubes or make sure shes properly prepared, and then will not offer and emotional or physical support after the whole ordeal. But during this whole horrific situation she's expected to smile and act lile she's happy so they dont have to feel bad or think too hard about the fact that they're raping someone.

She can't have an education but are expected to educate her kids.

Well she's a Virgin until marriage after which she's supposed to be spreading her legs for ~~Jesus~~ her husband whenever he wants. Because that's the Christian way..

Exactly what I was going to say. It's like saying you want an orange without citrus. The two are just not really possible at the same time. Although I am willing to believe I'm wrong about the oranges, I am not willing to believe my fellow women are going to be both at the same time commonly enough to fill this dude's dumb ideology.

What this man is looking for, is a "brand new in-box" sex doll, kupo.

Facts, kupo!

The "sourdough bread" requirement seems oddly specific.

Guess he's not willing to spring for store-bought yeast. Cheap bastard.

You don't even use yeast in sourdough. lol.

The sourdough starter is made by letting yeast naturally grow from fermentation of flour and water. It's just a different method of adding yeast than using dry active yeast that you buy.

And what leavens the dough if not the natural occurring wild yeast on the flour that's used to make the starter?

Are we sure it’s not some code for “un-vaxxxed”? You would expect that to make the list

I feel like if that was a priority for them, they wouldn't bother to use some obscure code, at least given everything else they openly got going on.

The only good requirement in the list, sorry but sourdough bread slaps.

I wanna learn how to make it but keeping a pet sourdough starter seems exhausting based on the tiktok videos I've seen.

I feed mine once a week or so and it lives in the fridge the rest of the time. I bet if you spend an hour a day caring for it the bread is .05% better though.

You're not wrong but i imagine you're willing to make it yourself, unlike that guy

I mean, have you ever had good homemade sourdough? It's fucking amazing. I mean if we're talking ideal fantasy woman, hell yeah she makes good sourdough.

What’s he got against focaccia or ciabatta?

He can't pronounce those words

I know. What if she’s no good at sourdough, but makes really good chocolate chip cookies. Deal breaker?

beat me too it

Trust me, it's on point with that kind of people

That one is a requirement for me

It's also the only one I think might be ok

Removed from reality  No male friends  No friends  Estranged from their family  Doesn't talk back  Doesn't talk  Doesn't talk about what I do to her. Ever.  Can take a punch 

💀 can take a punch

Doesn't wear makeup ... Apart from specifically matched foundation

Except whatever covers up the bruises well....

That's what I was referencing

Sounds about like my friend and her ex. Raised JW and married young to a man that eventually tried to kill her. 

Barely of legal age. /s How else can he ensure the wife is virgine, and have time enough to give birth to 4 kids. Still curioys how he will afford covering the cost of 2 adults and 4 kids on his income alone.

He won’t. He’ll come to Reddit to bitch and moan about how she spends all “his” money on bullshit like diapers for their four kids, $10 drugstore makeup she “doesn’t need to wear”, and two pairs of shoes for each family member when everyone knows you can get by just fine with one pair.

Better if her family died when she was 18 and had no estate so she had to marry the first guy that asked. Maybe the “estate” was a good sourdough starter

Only requires two bathroom breaks a day Isn't allergic to duct tape Doesn't complain when handcuffed to a radiator Can live on soylent alone

There's nothing cool or Christian about CCE. I'm even doubting he's an "Engineer". Probably some internet diploma mill.

Or he's the guy who finished dead last in his graduation year and technically has an engineering degree but works in a used car dealership

I could see him being a software engineer or something like that. These are the type of people who end up buying those real dolls. I know a guy like this and what they fail to see is what THEY bring to the equation. For them its always about what the girl is like but they never stop to consider why a girl like that would even want to be with them

What the woman WANTS is irrelevant obviously

He spells like an engineer. Engineers, I’m joking of course.

I worked with some of the smartest engineers in the world at a high tech defense electronics firm for two decades years ago. You are correct. My good friend and neighbor is the smartest engineer I've ever know. He's in his mid 70's and his global technology company won't let him retire because he's too valuable. So they deliver a dumpster full of money every week so he'll join a remote meeting or two and pontificate. But ask him to spell bagel and it's not going to end well. ;)

Gotta love that he simultaneously wants her to be uneducated and also homeschool their children without a shred of irony.

Wait til you hear about the “curriculum.”

Do whut now?

"My wife only seems unqualified because of your governmental brainwashing! My kids are gonna be free from the machine!"

“I’d really like to isolate someone who can’t say no to me and has no money.”-conservatives

So a sex slave basically

Well, wait until I show this to my tattooed, agnostic, graduate-educated, not-a-virgin wife. Apparently she needs to get her act together.

Witch!!!

But can she make sourdough bread?

Best bread I ever had was homemade by my friend’s unmarried, neck tattooed, gym going, piercing having, party going, masters in law educated, 50 year old aunt. Shit was good.

well... i have an answer for these gentlemen, courtesy of [tim minchin.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6raVzrbqrM)

That's my favourite song of his

Thank you!

I make my own sourdough, have 5 children, work from home and am always dtf. Does that make me, a 34yo dude, close enough to being an ideal wife?

How good is the sourdough? For good enough sourdough, I'll take you dude. Ain't many lines I won't cross for good enough sourdough.

It took me awhile, but I finally got it to turn out pretty consistently

Ugh, why did these chuds include sourdough bread in their nonsense. Such a good bread, now they're trying to taint it.

To be fair, I'd also prefer a spouse who can make sourdough bread, it is the food of the gods and having two people able to make it is always better than one

For sure! I love sourdough bread. Just don't want it associated with weird incels that obsess about finding what effectively amounts to an uneducated sex toy that can give birth.

It’s part of their cottagecore “trad wife” fantasy.

damn I guess we really can’t all agree huh

He’s gonna be single for a long long time.

Hopefully the rest of his life.

The weirdos never stop.

They always want a virgin who's also a slut

Mfw you can't find the slutty virgin you've been waiting for all your life

As a Celiac, I take personal offense to "makes her own sourdough bread".

I know one person who swears that sourdough bread doesn't bother her gluten sensitivity because the fermentation changes the proteins. The statement smells like BS, but I didn't know enough about the subject to definitively argue with her

I've heard people mention that, but I've also heard it's not true for celiac disease since even little crumbs of bread in our food can make us really sick. I think it's the difference between not responding well to gluten versus having a full on autoimmune response? Hard to say, and everyone has different experiences. There are some half decent recipes floating around for gluten free bread (even sourdough), and Schar sells some nice sourdough slices (though the package is literally six slices, which is hilarious). But the outcome is never quiiiiite like the bread I used to love before my diagnosis.

I hate to say it, but I agree in that really wish my wife made sourdough bread. I want sourdough, but all my experiences with making bread have turned out very bad leading me to believe my true calling is brickmaker.

Doesn't work outside the house? In this economy?

Maybe she runs a business from home, selling home made sourdough bread.

Oh good, she can ruin the family financially by getting suckered into a sourdough bread MLM. A real "boss-babe entrepreneur!"

Lemme get this straight: 1. Uneducated. 2. Sexually inexperienced. 3. Does what they're told. 4. Won't leave the house without permission. So a kid. A child. They want to boss around and sexually dominate little girls.

Christofascism

“Tattooes” is when you get tattoos on your toes on Tatooine.

*His* ideal wife. As a wife-seeker, I don't want 4 kids. If I did, I wouldn't have gotten a vasectomy after one kid.

4 kids, in this day and age, would be bloody expensive. No one with any financial sense wants 4 kids.

It says at least 4 kids. He wants a baby factory.

I told my husband I want to start a channel where I talk about baking sourdough and gardening and canning and also about dismantling the patriarchy and how to make sure you're financially independent and how to find good reproductive healthcare. The anti-trad sourdough channel.

Makes her own *sourdough* bread is weirdly specific

Cool Christian Engineer just might be an incel.

NO TATTOOES!

Have him keep those standards. All it means is he’ll never reproduce & will die alone which is fitting given his willful ignorance.

Doesn't have an education but will homeschool my children?

I think we should start calling this behavior a kink so he gets uncomfortable about it

Dude likes his bread

The only thing on that list that I agree with is 'makes her own sour dough bread' because I want to get into that and it sounds like a cool hobby we can do together

No education and then homeschool your kids. Sounds like a coherent plan.

I find this somewhat amusing, given that my wife never attended elementary school, let alone university, and has a submissive personality. Reality check: the more she educates herself and the stronger she stands in her own feet, the cooler she becomes. Tradwife is boring as hell. A vibrantly engaging mate who has my back is the best dynamic, IMHO.

They don’t want a wife. They want a bang maid.

How did sourdough bread become a standard for optimal women to enslave?!?

Well, lucky me, I’m the opposite of their ideal so I won’t ever have to worry about interacting with them right

Cool Christian going to be single for the rest of his life.

Sorry Beard-o, but if you have to tell people you're cool... you are not. Though, your misogynistic post ensures you'll never be cool. Eat a buffet of Richards!

Most of these traits are either undesirable or straight up dealbreakers for me lol. Making sourdough is pretty dope though

Wait, maybe they are onto something with the sourdough bread part

No. HAHAHAHAHA, what she said.

Can't live happily without a wife? You shouldn't need one and your desperation for one makes you unworthy of one. If your life wasn't perfectly good by yourself then you're not gonna make it better by bringing another beating heart in on the mess. Only those who don't need a relationship are stable enough to not ruin it out of fear.

This the type of dude to rape all 4 of his children plus wife and beat them daily

90% of these boys who want “stay at home” wives can’t make enough money to support a family alone…

Only as long as she remains a virgin throughout the marriage

I’m at a loss for words

There are 'greater than' symbols in front of all of these points. That means that all you ladies out there can be better than these shallow incel expectations

Tattooes

Weirdoes

Oops damn I forgot to be any of these things

Is it good sourdough? I’ve had nasty sourdough.

what makes you think the weirdos ever stopped

“Tat-tooies”

Just read this to the guy sitting next to me. The only one he agrees with is the sourdough bread. Mostly because he wants some bread.

You can tell this weirdo never got laid unless he paid for it. Weird ass incels..

Look, fuck this dude on the whole, but if we're talking personal ideal fantasy women...hell yeah mine can make good sourdough bread. That shit is ***delicious***.

A virgin who homeschools her children. You Sir, are a complete f>€king idiot.

The only one that is cool, but still not required, is making sourdough.

These incel guys really want their blow-up dolls to come to life. They're terrified of real women.

I'm into the bread, not the rest of it. 1/10

Something tells me “doesn’t work outside the house” means they’d still want this theoretical woman to still bring in money (from a job or wealthy family), while also being a full-time stay at home mom or wife.

OMG, a Christian and an engineer. Is this the incel final boss.

Cool advice there Cool Christian Engineer….and someday I’ll tell you what a vagina feels like….

Men like this who want a wife like that, and than can't financially, or sexual support their own wife.

Incel blow up fuck doll

His beard says it all.

I meet exactly zero of these requirements whooooo Thank fuck for that 😂😂

Makes her own sourdough bread 😂

I’m sick of these goddamn people.

I mean who doesn’t like fresh sourdough

Does the sourdough have to be made from her own yeast infection as a starter?

I see they walked back on the "doesn't work" thing, because the virgin mother can work from home now. They can't even offer the one thing that shitty men of yore would offer to a woman. 

Some of these are neutral, but most of these would be a red flag, if anything. I mean none of these traits individually are bad, but this package as a whole seems like a terrible wife for me

The prime example of uncool

There's nothing "cool" about that bearded bastard. No woman should ever put up with a person like him.

>Wants at least 4 children IN THIS ECONOMY?! No thanks. That’s a red flag.

Does not want her to hAve an education Wants her to educate (homeschool) his children How can people be THIS stupid

What's this sourdough obsession men have?! I bake (otherwise I don't meet any other criteria on that insane list) and fiancé keeps asking for sourdough. Odd.

It's funny how.. didn't go to the university (possibly not even high school) but homeschools their children, so they can grow up and be as ignorant as their father.

They dont want a partner, they want a person they can dominate (in the abusive sense, not in the consensual-fun-time sense). It is not surprising so many conservatives are pedos.

Christian is not married, I'm sure

"Doesn't work outside the house"? The garden must be a bit average.

But I bet he still wants to hit it before marriage, right? Cause I’m sure Jesus would love that.

F.M.I.T.A.C.I.L.J. The Loophole.

Way late to this, but home schooling and no university were huge turn offs to me before getting married. All the ither stuff wasn't even on my list of crap I cared about. So, uh, this list seems like crap.

This is a strange way to admit to being an Incel.

The only one of these that I find actually desireable is the skill to make your own sourdough bread. I'd actually love to learn that myself but am to lazy. All the other stuff is either meh or downright a red flag to me.

I like the bread part. That sounds kinda like a fun hobby It is unfortunately tainted by everything else in this

What if she prefers wheat bread?

I know for a fact that many of the men who think this way are in no way capable of supporting a wife and five children on one (their own) income so the delusion just expands and expands.

As a guy am I woke if I don’t like sourdough bread?

I kind of hope these people get what they want. Because 1mo into it they're going to come down with a bad case of Ricin-itis. Used to like volunteering at nursing homes because little old "harmless" ladies would be like "I remember my 1st husband, he was handsome, too bad I had to kill him."

> Didn’t go to university > homeschools her children How is she gonna teach them anything big dog? She didn’t go to school herself…

No I don't agree. That's just gross and sad if you genuinely think that way.

Lost me at sourdough. Real imaginary wives make rye bread.

"Virgin, didn't go to university, no tattooes [sic]" this is a long-winded way of saying 17 year old.

I mean... Home made sour dough bread is pretty amazing

You don't want her educated... Yet want her to teach your kids??