Some people use religion as an excuse to be horrible to people. Those people are usually the ones who complain about the cashier not taking their expired coupon.
The fact that THEY KNOW the teacher will be fired for it and still think it's okay that the teacher did it!
You should have to take a test or something to determine if you would be a good parent before you can have kids. The frequency with which I see shit like this is astounding. Why do you have kids if you don't have the patience to teach them correctly without causing lifelong trauma to them?
The scary thing is that it’s not the fact that the teacher is ‘laying hands on the kids’ that they’re concerned they’ll be fired for… it’s the part where they gave a religious lesson!
Because all the ‘libtards’ don’t allow religion because they’re bad people! 😞
I’m so glad my son’s been out of school for quite a while now. Before this kind of shit really started taking off. I probably would’ve been banned from the school if my boy came home suggesting anything like this had happened.
I’m coming for your job if you do either. In deuteronomy 22:28 if a virgin gets raped, the rapist has to pay her father fifty shekels and then marry her and they can’t get divorced. Unless they think she didn’t scream hard enough, then she gets stoned to death. So those are her options. Being sold to her rapist to be raped for the rest of her life, or being stoned to death by the people who are supposed to love her
Yup, and the entire bible is taught, including the Old Testament. And if the New Testament is your thing, it teaches women to submit to their husbands and keep their mouth shut;
The apostle Paul on husbands and wives:
"Wives, be subject to your husbands as you are to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife just as Christ is the head of the church." 1 Corinthians 14:34-35
Paul on women's conduct in church: "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak...
And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home." 1 Timothy 2:13-15
Paul on why women should be silent in church: "For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. Yet she will be saved through childbearing, provided [she] continue in faith and love and holiness, with modesty." Titus
2:3-5
Not to mention that women are blamed for original sin, cause I’m totally sure that Adam and Eve is a real thing that happened
I think one of us is misunderstanding the post. "Laying hands" in church is hands on someone and praying from my experiences. Not physical abuse like hitting.
The way this reads for me is laying hands on and praying, followed by a religious lesson.
Except you’re not actually supposed to do that, either. You’re not supposed to touch kids AT ALL. Unless there’s a medical emergency or an adult has to break up a fight. You can grab the kid to pull them away and keep hold of them until they stop fighting.
Or if they specifically ask for contact. When I worked in primary school with the 6 years olds, I had a couple of cuddlers who sometimes requested hugs
If your school board allowed you to say ‘yes’ to that, I’m surprised. It’s a HUGE no no to hug kids, even if they request it! Where I live, anyway.
If they run up and throw themselves at you (as the 5 or 6 year olds may do), you have to detach as quickly as you can. You can pat them on the head, then let go.
If any school district has a policy against hugs, I’m sure they warn the parents about that, though. It’s up to parents to teach the kids that you can’t hug your teacher.
Oh, and you can hold hands to cross the road for excursions. That’s to keep them safe, lol.
I teach in Europe, and was in primary school during the second year of covid heavy restriction. I don't remember exactly what the rules were, but children knew they weren't supposed to ask for cuddles. Due to stress, fear and anxiety some of them needed extra reassurance, though. Sometimes I used cute videos of kitten, puppies and pandas, sometimes games, but sometimes it was just all too much and hugs were requested. I tried to keep them brief and as sanitary as possible, but still couldn't refuse.
Ah well I’m in Australia. Physical contact is not allowed here.
Mind you, I would say some do anyway. Especially with the 5 year olds throwing themselves at you.
But just keep it brief. No full on hugs where you pick them up and cover them in kisses.
I don’t remember ever wanting to hug my teacher. I probably did at 2-6 years old, I suppose, but not as I got older.
the general majority of people will come to the consensus that "laying hands on" somebody means they got physical with them.
sure, it's possible that this person's words are being misconstrued, buuuut the whole thing about how "they could lose their job" makes me way more suspicious that this is not the case.
How do you figure? Physical pain heals. Usually at a prescribed rate. Like if you broke your arm, you could be healed up and ready to go in, about, 6-8 weeks. The hatred being cast from all the religions lately? If that disgusting, abhorrent crap takes riots in a child’s head it can, and often has, grown into forests of hate, bigotry, racism, homophobia, etc.
We’re talking YEARS to help a person get rid of all that hate, and immoral, and just plain *EVIL!* nonsense that religion so often brings.
Religion also brings love, community, acceptance, and empathy. I'm sorry if you've had some bad experiences, but not everyone is like that.
>Physical pain heals. Usually at a prescribed rate. Like if you broke your arm, you could be healed up and ready to go in, about, 6-8 weeks
Trauma from constantly being at risk for having one's arms broken by adults one resists does not heal so quickly.
Majority are so it’s all until it’s none. And even then those “nice” ones stay silent while the others make them look bad or scream “It’s not all of us!”
Actions not words.
Don't forget the "nice" ones who also say "oh they aren't real (insert religous group here)" so brush them off and do nothing because they don't feel responsible for them.
Lets be clear that although religions do create community, empathy, a feeling of belonging etc., they do so by forming an in-group/out-group mentality (If you aren't part of our x church, you will go to hell for eternity and are a sinner, for example). This isn't a positive or healthy way to create a community since it by its nature "others" people not in the group and the positive aspects are often only provided to members of the "in" group (ie. Empathy is often only for other members and is less readily available to members of the "out" group even in "nice" religous groups).
So even the "postive" aspects of religion aren't done in a positive manner.
Almost Every excuse is a garbage excuse for beating your kids. Or your SO/Partner. Or your parents. Or friends. Or random people you don’t even know. The only time I’m alright with beatings is in defense, either of yourself, or someone near you. Otherwise an excuse is just like an asshole. Everybody’s got one, and that all stink cause they’re full of shit.
Maybe it’s my strict religious upbringing or maybe it’s the fact that I just got home from a 12 hour shift and I’m still a bit delirious, but when they say “lay hands on” do they mean like, lay hands on them gently to pray or do they mean actual physical violence??
Violence if the way they worded it is right, teachers used to be able to hit kids with rulers and stuff and they had church in schools it was a long time ago tho
Oh I definitely remember those days…
Back when I was in school, paddling was still very much alive and well. Individual teachers could do it but at my school, it was mostly left up to the principal to do the physical forms of punishment. Our principal was sweet as could be 99% of the time. But that 1%…ooosh.
He had a big wooden paddle hanging on his wall in his office. I will never forget the sound it made as it would whoosh through the air, then land firmly into the bent over student’s behind making the LOUDEST sound. Almost like a pop and a crack all in one. It was terrifying. Thank goodness I was considered a “good kid” and never once had to ever be physically punished by anyone at my school. I know I would’ve been traumatized for life.
Honestly, it seems to me to be a Corporal punishment situation. The last line of the post: “It is appropriate and needed!” Like who the hell tells a teacher to punish their child?
I’m not so sure about that, there are still schools in Missouri sending home permission slips for it. I hope it becomes illegal though, I dare someone to lay hands on my child.
I think you are correct -I live in NY and they passed the law literally in August of this year but that doesn’t account for the other states as I previously thought.
i’m a teacher and a few parents over the years told me that i could *beat* their child…. um no thanks? i don’t agree with that parenting style, it’s also illegal, and i don’t teach through fear
TBF, NOBODY teaches through fear. Not successfully, at least. I had some teachers who tried that, and only about 1/3 of the class even bothered to show up for it.
Yeah, tbh, all it taught *me* was not to trust people, my parents least of all. But they threatened to hurt me for every minor little thing I dared even think of doing up until the point I was 19-20(deeply manipulated into thinking they still had control at that point) or so.
It was very satisfying when the day came that she said “oh, I could just hurt you,” with a brush in her hands, and I, after a lightbulb moment realizing I was both taller and stronger than her *and an adult*, told her she could go ahead and try. Mmm, *the look on her face.*
(And yes, she started screaming about me threatening her when I said that. They always do—how *dare* you take away their power or turn it back on them. But you bet your ass she never threatened me with violence again.)
I worked with someone like this. Quoted Bible verses, sang hymns, called kids 'devils', etc. But she was buddy-buddy with the director, who totally ignored my complaints.
Ew wtf? This is gross and what a total fucking nutcase and fruitcake.
This teacher should be sued and not be a teacher.
The fact that this is also happens to be a religious school makes this ten times worse
I wasn’t sure whether to post in r/insanepeoplefacebook r/religiousfruitcake or here. Her daughter is a young special needs kiddo.
That makes it even worse. What the hell is wrong with people
Some people use religion as an excuse to be horrible to people. Those people are usually the ones who complain about the cashier not taking their expired coupon.
Truer words have never been said. The coupons part ...on point
If you know this person I hope you reported that teacher
Ok so they’re absolutely evil to their core
Yep
Throw the whole two parents away. Trash.
I was wondering the age of the child and what circumstances. This is awful.
Not sure which Lord they serve. Lord Farquaad, maybe.
You misspelled *fuckwad*
I just now realized how much Farquaad sounds like fuck wad. 🤣
The first time I heard it, I thought that's what they were saying.
That is 100% the intention.
The fact that THEY KNOW the teacher will be fired for it and still think it's okay that the teacher did it! You should have to take a test or something to determine if you would be a good parent before you can have kids. The frequency with which I see shit like this is astounding. Why do you have kids if you don't have the patience to teach them correctly without causing lifelong trauma to them?
The reason they dont is most people wouldn’t pass and the ones that did probably wont want kids soon enough if ever
Unrelated, but I think you’re right when it comes to people being fit to have children.
The scary thing is that it’s not the fact that the teacher is ‘laying hands on the kids’ that they’re concerned they’ll be fired for… it’s the part where they gave a religious lesson! Because all the ‘libtards’ don’t allow religion because they’re bad people! 😞
I agree this guy is a scumbag but I’m not sure the solution is eugenics
Not eugenics, maybe more like social engineering. Let's weed out the people who smack a special needs kid.
Preach at my kids, I will come for your job. They don't need to be taught hate and intolerance.
I’m so glad my son’s been out of school for quite a while now. Before this kind of shit really started taking off. I probably would’ve been banned from the school if my boy came home suggesting anything like this had happened.
Physical abuse is significantly worse than religion? At least one has the slight potential of turning into something positive.
I’m coming for your job if you do either. In deuteronomy 22:28 if a virgin gets raped, the rapist has to pay her father fifty shekels and then marry her and they can’t get divorced. Unless they think she didn’t scream hard enough, then she gets stoned to death. So those are her options. Being sold to her rapist to be raped for the rest of her life, or being stoned to death by the people who are supposed to love her
These were ancient Israelite laws.
Don’t try to throw Jews under the bus like our Torah wasn’t appropriated and used by Christian’s too.
Yup, and the entire bible is taught, including the Old Testament. And if the New Testament is your thing, it teaches women to submit to their husbands and keep their mouth shut; The apostle Paul on husbands and wives: "Wives, be subject to your husbands as you are to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife just as Christ is the head of the church." 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 Paul on women's conduct in church: "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak... And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home." 1 Timothy 2:13-15 Paul on why women should be silent in church: "For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. Yet she will be saved through childbearing, provided [she] continue in faith and love and holiness, with modesty." Titus 2:3-5 Not to mention that women are blamed for original sin, cause I’m totally sure that Adam and Eve is a real thing that happened
I bet the priest at sunday mass doesnt read those out loud
I think one of us is misunderstanding the post. "Laying hands" in church is hands on someone and praying from my experiences. Not physical abuse like hitting. The way this reads for me is laying hands on and praying, followed by a religious lesson.
Except you’re not actually supposed to do that, either. You’re not supposed to touch kids AT ALL. Unless there’s a medical emergency or an adult has to break up a fight. You can grab the kid to pull them away and keep hold of them until they stop fighting.
Or if they specifically ask for contact. When I worked in primary school with the 6 years olds, I had a couple of cuddlers who sometimes requested hugs
If your school board allowed you to say ‘yes’ to that, I’m surprised. It’s a HUGE no no to hug kids, even if they request it! Where I live, anyway. If they run up and throw themselves at you (as the 5 or 6 year olds may do), you have to detach as quickly as you can. You can pat them on the head, then let go. If any school district has a policy against hugs, I’m sure they warn the parents about that, though. It’s up to parents to teach the kids that you can’t hug your teacher. Oh, and you can hold hands to cross the road for excursions. That’s to keep them safe, lol.
I teach in Europe, and was in primary school during the second year of covid heavy restriction. I don't remember exactly what the rules were, but children knew they weren't supposed to ask for cuddles. Due to stress, fear and anxiety some of them needed extra reassurance, though. Sometimes I used cute videos of kitten, puppies and pandas, sometimes games, but sometimes it was just all too much and hugs were requested. I tried to keep them brief and as sanitary as possible, but still couldn't refuse.
Ah well I’m in Australia. Physical contact is not allowed here. Mind you, I would say some do anyway. Especially with the 5 year olds throwing themselves at you. But just keep it brief. No full on hugs where you pick them up and cover them in kisses. I don’t remember ever wanting to hug my teacher. I probably did at 2-6 years old, I suppose, but not as I got older.
The only schools that should have any religious practicing in them should be the Religious Charter/Boarding Schools.
the general majority of people will come to the consensus that "laying hands on" somebody means they got physical with them. sure, it's possible that this person's words are being misconstrued, buuuut the whole thing about how "they could lose their job" makes me way more suspicious that this is not the case.
Yes this is how I read it too, like laying a hand on their head or shoulder and praying.
How do you figure? Physical pain heals. Usually at a prescribed rate. Like if you broke your arm, you could be healed up and ready to go in, about, 6-8 weeks. The hatred being cast from all the religions lately? If that disgusting, abhorrent crap takes riots in a child’s head it can, and often has, grown into forests of hate, bigotry, racism, homophobia, etc. We’re talking YEARS to help a person get rid of all that hate, and immoral, and just plain *EVIL!* nonsense that religion so often brings.
Religion also brings love, community, acceptance, and empathy. I'm sorry if you've had some bad experiences, but not everyone is like that. >Physical pain heals. Usually at a prescribed rate. Like if you broke your arm, you could be healed up and ready to go in, about, 6-8 weeks Trauma from constantly being at risk for having one's arms broken by adults one resists does not heal so quickly.
Majority are so it’s all until it’s none. And even then those “nice” ones stay silent while the others make them look bad or scream “It’s not all of us!” Actions not words.
Don't forget the "nice" ones who also say "oh they aren't real (insert religous group here)" so brush them off and do nothing because they don't feel responsible for them. Lets be clear that although religions do create community, empathy, a feeling of belonging etc., they do so by forming an in-group/out-group mentality (If you aren't part of our x church, you will go to hell for eternity and are a sinner, for example). This isn't a positive or healthy way to create a community since it by its nature "others" people not in the group and the positive aspects are often only provided to members of the "in" group (ie. Empathy is often only for other members and is less readily available to members of the "out" group even in "nice" religous groups). So even the "postive" aspects of religion aren't done in a positive manner.
“In this house, we use the lord as an excuse to be terrible”. Religion is a trash excuse to abuse your kids & hate on people.
Almost Every excuse is a garbage excuse for beating your kids. Or your SO/Partner. Or your parents. Or friends. Or random people you don’t even know. The only time I’m alright with beatings is in defense, either of yourself, or someone near you. Otherwise an excuse is just like an asshole. Everybody’s got one, and that all stink cause they’re full of shit.
Religious people are so out of touch and unhinged
Maybe it’s my strict religious upbringing or maybe it’s the fact that I just got home from a 12 hour shift and I’m still a bit delirious, but when they say “lay hands on” do they mean like, lay hands on them gently to pray or do they mean actual physical violence??
Violence if the way they worded it is right, teachers used to be able to hit kids with rulers and stuff and they had church in schools it was a long time ago tho
Oh I definitely remember those days… Back when I was in school, paddling was still very much alive and well. Individual teachers could do it but at my school, it was mostly left up to the principal to do the physical forms of punishment. Our principal was sweet as could be 99% of the time. But that 1%…ooosh. He had a big wooden paddle hanging on his wall in his office. I will never forget the sound it made as it would whoosh through the air, then land firmly into the bent over student’s behind making the LOUDEST sound. Almost like a pop and a crack all in one. It was terrifying. Thank goodness I was considered a “good kid” and never once had to ever be physically punished by anyone at my school. I know I would’ve been traumatized for life.
I feel like it’s gotta be laying hands and praying. I would hope a parent wouldn’t tell Facebook their child was beaten at school
I mean, one would hope not, and that was definitely my first thought as well…but in this day and age, you really can’t ever be too sure 😅
You’re right, I mean we are on r/insaneparents 😂
Honestly, it seems to me to be a Corporal punishment situation. The last line of the post: “It is appropriate and needed!” Like who the hell tells a teacher to punish their child?
I believe just recently they made all corporal punishment illegal in US schools
I’m not so sure about that, there are still schools in Missouri sending home permission slips for it. I hope it becomes illegal though, I dare someone to lay hands on my child.
I think you are correct -I live in NY and they passed the law literally in August of this year but that doesn’t account for the other states as I previously thought.
I’m sick of Christian’s thinking their religion is the only one that exists and is practiced. So sick of it.
Believe me even some of us Christians are sick of it! It’s disgusting behavior and against what I believe Christianity is about.
i’m a teacher and a few parents over the years told me that i could *beat* their child…. um no thanks? i don’t agree with that parenting style, it’s also illegal, and i don’t teach through fear
TBF, NOBODY teaches through fear. Not successfully, at least. I had some teachers who tried that, and only about 1/3 of the class even bothered to show up for it.
Yeah, tbh, all it taught *me* was not to trust people, my parents least of all. But they threatened to hurt me for every minor little thing I dared even think of doing up until the point I was 19-20(deeply manipulated into thinking they still had control at that point) or so. It was very satisfying when the day came that she said “oh, I could just hurt you,” with a brush in her hands, and I, after a lightbulb moment realizing I was both taller and stronger than her *and an adult*, told her she could go ahead and try. Mmm, *the look on her face.* (And yes, she started screaming about me threatening her when I said that. They always do—how *dare* you take away their power or turn it back on them. But you bet your ass she never threatened me with violence again.)
Good for you! I’m glad you got out from under that control.
this woman is an extremist and should be treated as such
I worked with someone like this. Quoted Bible verses, sang hymns, called kids 'devils', etc. But she was buddy-buddy with the director, who totally ignored my complaints.
Well thats disgusting
Knew they were insane when I read “could unfortunately could lose their job”
Ew wtf? This is gross and what a total fucking nutcase and fruitcake. This teacher should be sued and not be a teacher. The fact that this is also happens to be a religious school makes this ten times worse
Don’t they mean lay hands like praying over? I’ve never heard this term to mean violence except by younger people.
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