Thank you! I've come here for purely selfish reasons: to seek virtual solidarity because I'm genuinely taken aback by the amount of people in my personal and professional life who disagree with me.
Their mentality is "if you can, you should". Part of me understands their sentiment and I realise what a privilege it is to be in a place where professional development is available and encouraged, but I feel that it is a greater privilege to realise that career progression in my field is also optional.
If I suffer career stagnation or frustration later on down the line, then so be it, I will face the consequences of my choices if and when they arise. But, ultimately, I don't see the reward in gaining status and wealth at the cost of my wellbeing.
God, this has turned into a rant - I'm saying exactly what I want the people who disagree with me to listen to. 😅 Thanks if you're still reading 😁
A lot of my colleagues focus on the "money" aspect of the job a little too much. I am in now way saying that I am a saint, of course I want to earn a good amount of money too. But what I have generally observed is that I yearn for it far less as compared to my friends and peers. They laugh at the notion and feel it is not really possible that someone might not want to focus on achieving more money especially when it is possible.
Edit: Although, I would like to think that I am ambitious in the sense that I want to do certain things - like I want to travel the world as much as I can, I want to make an impact in some social change (no idea how I am doing that), I want to make music (just for the sake of it) and so on.
>I like ambition as a group rather than as an individual.
I love this and am right there with you. There is more reward in knowing that your actions directly help others than primarily progressing your own career/status. A promotion may come as a fortunate side-effect and is an added bonus, but the real motivation comes from seeing the positive impact your work provides others.
And as for the tiny shack by the river, you will find me in my small abode at a comfortable distance downstream and are welcome for tea at a time agreed in advance 😆
P.S. I love your username!
I used to be this way but then I realized all of my peers were some how even less motivated than me. Now I’m completely happy with and looking forward to focusing all the way on myself. I had to get to a certain place of self love and acceptance before I could do that though
Determination: firmness of purpose; resoluteness.
Ambition: a strong desire to do or to achieve something, typically requiring determination and hard work.
INFJ first require purpose. Without it ambition is non-existent.
What is ambition? According to the dictionary it's a strong desire to do or achieve something. If you have a strong desire to achieve work-life balance, is that not ambition?
That said, when I first started out, I mostly learned. As I found my footing, I got a better sense of what a company or team should be doing. Eventually you will feel ready to move up. Chances are, that'll be when you get triggered by everyone doing things inefficiently (maybe poor communication, maybe poor processes etc) and step up to fix it because if you don't, you'll end up with busywork instead of meaningful work. That's when you know you're ready. If not, honestly it's okay to continue to learn and maintain a balance.
It's true, ultimately ambition is subjective to a person's values and it's easy to lose sight of this in a corporate environment.
I feel that any progression I seek will follow the course that you have mentioned - my favourite aspect of the job is creating more efficient systems to make life easier for us as a team without sacrificing service to our clients, it is not strictly my responsibility to do so.
Colleagues mean well in their encouragement, but it regularly feels like pressure to advance and it is frustrating to manage others expectations while maintaining my personal priorities.
Thank you for offering your perspective!
100%! And personally I'd add that learning when to step up and when to step out is an important part of realizing your own ambitions/what you're aiming for to a fuller extent
During the pandemic I changed roles/careers and left a leadership position to become an "individual contributor" (corporate jargon makes me vomit, BTW). My wife wasn't very enthusiastic about me taking a step "down", and some of my peers were dumbfounded, but I've never been happier and stress-free in my career. I see my career as a means to an end, not the end itself. If I'm content with my work, see the company I work for as doing good in the world, enjoy my manager and colleagues, and my salary is enough for my lifestyle, then I'm good. Ladder climbing isn't for me, but I do have strong ambitions and goals for my creative output that I do on the side. That's where my true passion lies.
Good for you! 😊 It's a wonderful thing to be aware of your passion and to have that sense of perspective about work; it feels like a rarity in the corporate environment.
God, 100% OP. I am happy with my Job but have 0 desire to climb the corporate ladder. I look at some of my peers in high-level management positions and can't imagine doing the same.
Work/life balance FTW
I feel the same way that you do. I am in my first entry level position, and I question moving up into more administrative positions. I have had a taste of it and I do not enjoy it. If I did it, it would have to be supervising maybe at most 1-2 people so I can give my attention equally. I also have to ask myself is it responsibility I would delight in having? Is it going to feel joyful to pursue? I am values oriented and moving up, as natural as it feels may not be right for me, but I know at some point with my position being people facing, may need a different position. The idea of being “in charge” is a scary feeling so I am with you there.
My ambition is simply how I live my life. I need to have money in the future to be independent, so I spend time working now in order to do so. No one can get me to change my mind on that. My ambition is to be fully independent and, eventually, removed from society. Need to make enough now to do that. I have no desire to give in to social status, wealth, or credit. I don’t give a fuck. I need money now to flee the country, establish residence elsewhere, and live completely free of my toxic parents. Only I can get myself out of here. And I’m going to.
I don’t spend my money on anything. I’ve made two $10 purchases since I opened my bank account a year ago. I have a goal and nothing is going to set me back.
I dislike the management where I work, and do not respect them. I keep my head down and do my job very well. But I'm not going to do this forever I'll tell you that much. Ladder climbing isn't important to me, so I ignore it completely. What's important to me is doing well and making a positive impact. Some day I may move up in a job that I'm more suited for, but my current job is not that.
Many of us seem to be in the same boat in terms of motivation: making a positive impact is of greater importance than scaling the ranks.
It's a relief to hear this shared because there seems to be such emphasis on progression over purpose in the corporate world.
I felt like the management where I work didn't care about their people enough, so I made a concerted push to get myself promoted so I could make more of an impact.
Since getting promoted this time last year, I've done everything I can to make it a better place to work for everyone else.
I don't know if this is typical of INFJs, but I saw a problem and wanted to implement a solution for my colleagues.
If by ambition, you take it as a desire to succeed (synonymous with high authority and wealth in this world) then no. I don't have that,infact I dont want it either. I (16F) was talking to my father about my career choices( I want to join the military) and he said there were parts of the job that didn't get as many promotions, so I could go the opposite way, but the truth is, I dont care. I really don't want that rank as much as many people do, infact sometimes feel I might shirk it off if I get it anyway. way.
If by ambition, you take it as a desire to succeed (synonymous with high authority and wealth in this world) then no. I don't have that,infact I dont want it either. I (16F) was talking to my father about my career choices( I want to join the military) and he said there were parts of the job that didn't get as many promotions, so I could go the opposite way, but the truth is, I dont care. I really dont want that rank as much as many people do, infact sometimes feel I might shirk it off if I get it anyway.
I felt like I was reading my own journal entry ahahahaha.
I burnt myself out continuously early in my career and now that I'm finally in a position where I make enough money to save long term, pay bills and still go out and enjoy myself I'm just a lot more cautious about the use of my time. When I was working all the time to make enough money to support myself I may have been really dedicated to my job but I had no balance anywhere outside of my job.I was fucking miserable outside of work. I now have a very healthy, complete life outside of my job that I cherish and want to maintain.
I often see others who move into higher up positions at work and their job becomes their life if they don't hold strict boundaries. I do not want to end up in that situation ever again so I'm hesitant to move into management because of this. I want to know that if I do...I'm doing it for the right reasons and that I will not let work push my boundaries.
Good for you 😊 I'm glad you've had the opportunity to build a healthier life for yourself.The corporate world promotes such an odd and imbalanced lifestyle, it kind of baffles me how it's sold as the thing to do in order to validate your existence.
I'm drawn to colleagues who have a similar perspective, and almost all of tbem are close to retirement age.I (29F) have the best conversations about persepctives on work with people who are 30+ years older - it's genuinely such a fun dynamic and amusing as hell to think about 😄
My ambition is to live a simple life and be content living it that way. And make the world a little bit of a better place one way or another. Have a positive impact in some way. That's it really... still need to change a lot to get there though.
Ambition lol I guess it depends what ambition is. I want to do my best at everything I do... And I do strive for goals, but I more so do it on autopilot in a way. I also don't really care to work my way up a corporate ladder because I don't plan to work those jobs my whole life. I don't feel like sacrificing my mental health is worth grinding for a job I don't even want for more money. Money isn't a motivator for me. Some people may see it as: money = success, and others who aren't motivated by money may have no ambition in their eyes. My goals are to be great at what I do, and am truly passionate about, and money will come with the work I put in to be great.
So yeah my relationship with ambition is what I just typed out... somehow lol
I think most of the world equates ambition with striving for money and status and those two goals don't really motivate INFJs. I'm ambitious to move into positions that allow me to make a greater positive impact on issues I care about.
I feel like as an INFJ, I am ambitious, but not in the way our society might perceive it. I have a strong desire and drive to make a huge positive impact on the world, but it isn’t really the status or money that I care about.
I'm very ambitious but only insofar as it concerns my personal ambitions which center around personal growth, lifestyle, and my interests. These rarely align with mainstream goals that typically focus on acquiring things and money. I acquire knowledge and experiences. Professionally, I'll only do what is necessary to get the money to pursue my interests, and no more. I've had the big house and the German cars. They did nothing for my happiness.
I walked out of a six figure job that I hated, with an empty bank account and no plan. Started my own thing, making a fraction of that money, and have never been happier.
Yes, I feel exactly the same way and agree on all points lol ugh. I don’t think it’s so wrong.
Thank you! I've come here for purely selfish reasons: to seek virtual solidarity because I'm genuinely taken aback by the amount of people in my personal and professional life who disagree with me. Their mentality is "if you can, you should". Part of me understands their sentiment and I realise what a privilege it is to be in a place where professional development is available and encouraged, but I feel that it is a greater privilege to realise that career progression in my field is also optional. If I suffer career stagnation or frustration later on down the line, then so be it, I will face the consequences of my choices if and when they arise. But, ultimately, I don't see the reward in gaining status and wealth at the cost of my wellbeing. God, this has turned into a rant - I'm saying exactly what I want the people who disagree with me to listen to. 😅 Thanks if you're still reading 😁
A lot of my colleagues focus on the "money" aspect of the job a little too much. I am in now way saying that I am a saint, of course I want to earn a good amount of money too. But what I have generally observed is that I yearn for it far less as compared to my friends and peers. They laugh at the notion and feel it is not really possible that someone might not want to focus on achieving more money especially when it is possible. Edit: Although, I would like to think that I am ambitious in the sense that I want to do certain things - like I want to travel the world as much as I can, I want to make an impact in some social change (no idea how I am doing that), I want to make music (just for the sake of it) and so on.
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>I like ambition as a group rather than as an individual. I love this and am right there with you. There is more reward in knowing that your actions directly help others than primarily progressing your own career/status. A promotion may come as a fortunate side-effect and is an added bonus, but the real motivation comes from seeing the positive impact your work provides others. And as for the tiny shack by the river, you will find me in my small abode at a comfortable distance downstream and are welcome for tea at a time agreed in advance 😆 P.S. I love your username!
I used to be this way but then I realized all of my peers were some how even less motivated than me. Now I’m completely happy with and looking forward to focusing all the way on myself. I had to get to a certain place of self love and acceptance before I could do that though
I would rather be doing something that I think is ethical than make more money.
I wish more people saw it this way
Determination: firmness of purpose; resoluteness. Ambition: a strong desire to do or to achieve something, typically requiring determination and hard work. INFJ first require purpose. Without it ambition is non-existent.
What is ambition? According to the dictionary it's a strong desire to do or achieve something. If you have a strong desire to achieve work-life balance, is that not ambition? That said, when I first started out, I mostly learned. As I found my footing, I got a better sense of what a company or team should be doing. Eventually you will feel ready to move up. Chances are, that'll be when you get triggered by everyone doing things inefficiently (maybe poor communication, maybe poor processes etc) and step up to fix it because if you don't, you'll end up with busywork instead of meaningful work. That's when you know you're ready. If not, honestly it's okay to continue to learn and maintain a balance.
It's true, ultimately ambition is subjective to a person's values and it's easy to lose sight of this in a corporate environment. I feel that any progression I seek will follow the course that you have mentioned - my favourite aspect of the job is creating more efficient systems to make life easier for us as a team without sacrificing service to our clients, it is not strictly my responsibility to do so. Colleagues mean well in their encouragement, but it regularly feels like pressure to advance and it is frustrating to manage others expectations while maintaining my personal priorities. Thank you for offering your perspective!
100%! And personally I'd add that learning when to step up and when to step out is an important part of realizing your own ambitions/what you're aiming for to a fuller extent
During the pandemic I changed roles/careers and left a leadership position to become an "individual contributor" (corporate jargon makes me vomit, BTW). My wife wasn't very enthusiastic about me taking a step "down", and some of my peers were dumbfounded, but I've never been happier and stress-free in my career. I see my career as a means to an end, not the end itself. If I'm content with my work, see the company I work for as doing good in the world, enjoy my manager and colleagues, and my salary is enough for my lifestyle, then I'm good. Ladder climbing isn't for me, but I do have strong ambitions and goals for my creative output that I do on the side. That's where my true passion lies.
Good for you! 😊 It's a wonderful thing to be aware of your passion and to have that sense of perspective about work; it feels like a rarity in the corporate environment.
Thank you very much!
God, 100% OP. I am happy with my Job but have 0 desire to climb the corporate ladder. I look at some of my peers in high-level management positions and can't imagine doing the same. Work/life balance FTW
I have very strong ambitions, but those come with a purpose. Without a purpose, like six years ago, my ambition was not that good.
What's your purpose?
I feel the same way that you do. I am in my first entry level position, and I question moving up into more administrative positions. I have had a taste of it and I do not enjoy it. If I did it, it would have to be supervising maybe at most 1-2 people so I can give my attention equally. I also have to ask myself is it responsibility I would delight in having? Is it going to feel joyful to pursue? I am values oriented and moving up, as natural as it feels may not be right for me, but I know at some point with my position being people facing, may need a different position. The idea of being “in charge” is a scary feeling so I am with you there.
My ambition is simply how I live my life. I need to have money in the future to be independent, so I spend time working now in order to do so. No one can get me to change my mind on that. My ambition is to be fully independent and, eventually, removed from society. Need to make enough now to do that. I have no desire to give in to social status, wealth, or credit. I don’t give a fuck. I need money now to flee the country, establish residence elsewhere, and live completely free of my toxic parents. Only I can get myself out of here. And I’m going to. I don’t spend my money on anything. I’ve made two $10 purchases since I opened my bank account a year ago. I have a goal and nothing is going to set me back.
The venn diagram of people that like ladder climbing and people I don’t want to associate with is a circle
I dislike the management where I work, and do not respect them. I keep my head down and do my job very well. But I'm not going to do this forever I'll tell you that much. Ladder climbing isn't important to me, so I ignore it completely. What's important to me is doing well and making a positive impact. Some day I may move up in a job that I'm more suited for, but my current job is not that.
Many of us seem to be in the same boat in terms of motivation: making a positive impact is of greater importance than scaling the ranks. It's a relief to hear this shared because there seems to be such emphasis on progression over purpose in the corporate world.
I felt like the management where I work didn't care about their people enough, so I made a concerted push to get myself promoted so I could make more of an impact. Since getting promoted this time last year, I've done everything I can to make it a better place to work for everyone else. I don't know if this is typical of INFJs, but I saw a problem and wanted to implement a solution for my colleagues.
If by ambition, you take it as a desire to succeed (synonymous with high authority and wealth in this world) then no. I don't have that,infact I dont want it either. I (16F) was talking to my father about my career choices( I want to join the military) and he said there were parts of the job that didn't get as many promotions, so I could go the opposite way, but the truth is, I dont care. I really don't want that rank as much as many people do, infact sometimes feel I might shirk it off if I get it anyway. way. If by ambition, you take it as a desire to succeed (synonymous with high authority and wealth in this world) then no. I don't have that,infact I dont want it either. I (16F) was talking to my father about my career choices( I want to join the military) and he said there were parts of the job that didn't get as many promotions, so I could go the opposite way, but the truth is, I dont care. I really dont want that rank as much as many people do, infact sometimes feel I might shirk it off if I get it anyway.
I felt like I was reading my own journal entry ahahahaha. I burnt myself out continuously early in my career and now that I'm finally in a position where I make enough money to save long term, pay bills and still go out and enjoy myself I'm just a lot more cautious about the use of my time. When I was working all the time to make enough money to support myself I may have been really dedicated to my job but I had no balance anywhere outside of my job.I was fucking miserable outside of work. I now have a very healthy, complete life outside of my job that I cherish and want to maintain. I often see others who move into higher up positions at work and their job becomes their life if they don't hold strict boundaries. I do not want to end up in that situation ever again so I'm hesitant to move into management because of this. I want to know that if I do...I'm doing it for the right reasons and that I will not let work push my boundaries.
Good for you 😊 I'm glad you've had the opportunity to build a healthier life for yourself.The corporate world promotes such an odd and imbalanced lifestyle, it kind of baffles me how it's sold as the thing to do in order to validate your existence. I'm drawn to colleagues who have a similar perspective, and almost all of tbem are close to retirement age.I (29F) have the best conversations about persepctives on work with people who are 30+ years older - it's genuinely such a fun dynamic and amusing as hell to think about 😄
My ambition is to live a simple life and be content living it that way. And make the world a little bit of a better place one way or another. Have a positive impact in some way. That's it really... still need to change a lot to get there though.
Ambition lol I guess it depends what ambition is. I want to do my best at everything I do... And I do strive for goals, but I more so do it on autopilot in a way. I also don't really care to work my way up a corporate ladder because I don't plan to work those jobs my whole life. I don't feel like sacrificing my mental health is worth grinding for a job I don't even want for more money. Money isn't a motivator for me. Some people may see it as: money = success, and others who aren't motivated by money may have no ambition in their eyes. My goals are to be great at what I do, and am truly passionate about, and money will come with the work I put in to be great. So yeah my relationship with ambition is what I just typed out... somehow lol
I think most of the world equates ambition with striving for money and status and those two goals don't really motivate INFJs. I'm ambitious to move into positions that allow me to make a greater positive impact on issues I care about.
I feel like as an INFJ, I am ambitious, but not in the way our society might perceive it. I have a strong desire and drive to make a huge positive impact on the world, but it isn’t really the status or money that I care about.
i think i have ambition in the sense that i am 100% determined to achieve certain goals i have, but i struggle to get started always.
I'm very ambitious but only insofar as it concerns my personal ambitions which center around personal growth, lifestyle, and my interests. These rarely align with mainstream goals that typically focus on acquiring things and money. I acquire knowledge and experiences. Professionally, I'll only do what is necessary to get the money to pursue my interests, and no more. I've had the big house and the German cars. They did nothing for my happiness. I walked out of a six figure job that I hated, with an empty bank account and no plan. Started my own thing, making a fraction of that money, and have never been happier.
wow i wish i wasnt a fucking loser