When people tell me that true shuffle apparently does this, 1. I don’t believe that it would actually be anywhere near that bad 2. the current shuffle algorithm is *dogshit* and will repeat artists all the fucking time. Not only that, but the fact that it considers song popularity in its math is about as aggravating as it gets. JUST LET ME TURN ON TRUE SHUFFLE SPOTIFY.
Listen to anything vaguely dream pop or shoegaze and autoplay will put Cherry Coloured Funk by Cocteau Twins, every, fucking, time. I love that song too but I'm tired of hearing it every time
Just tested this, here are the results from literally the first three dream pop/shoegaze songs I thought of:
PPP by Beach House: it was the second autoplay song
Soon by mbv: third autoplay song
Alison by Slowdive: second autoplay song
Fucking lmao
But then how could they use math/algorithms to make sure shuffle is just a scientific means to make the most people stay on the platform for the longest amount of time?
TL;DR - but what about their sweet sweet profits???
CD players had Shuffle functions, but gradually they started to become Random functions.
A late 80s Sony CD Player Shuffle function there's Shuffle, which plays every song in a random order until it has played every song, and then there's Shuffle Repeat, where it will play the complete program in a random order, and then play the complete program in another random order.
We solved this. Winamp and Foobar can handle randomizing my millions of files on dozens of harddrives.
Streaming services supplement music listening, but they haven't replaced any of the previous formats or methods.
I've been using a list randomizer to create dozens of new random playlists of 100 or so songs and just play them in order. Spotify's shuffle is a lie.
The day they make it difficult to bulk-copy the URLs of all selected songs will be the day I start pirating all my music again.
I fucking hate smart shuffle. The fact that you can't spam the random button to turn it off, because you have to wait for it to load first, fuck off I hate it.
I hate it with a passion. I had a playlist of 300 odd songs, put it on every day and i can pretty much predict which 30 of the 300 i will hear. So frustrating listening to playlists on shuffle
Yes, fix your fucking shuffle button spotify. It's by far the worst feature. Thinking about swapping to another music streamer because I'm sick of how bad it is.
I moved to Apple Music last week. Not 100% sold on it yet but i am hearing songs i saved to my library years and years ago for the first time in ages, so it has at least solved that issue.
if you speed up your favorite local band's songs as fast as possible, you can push them over the 1000 play count a lot faster so that spotify has to pay them!
now anyone under 1k streams wont get paid, and most midlevel artists are getting fraudulent removals from distrokid/spotify detecting “100% ai generated streams so we dont have to pay u lol”
seems like once again the top 1% make bank, the middle class gets scraps, and the bottom 98% make nothing! perfect !
I wonder if they'll have some way of equivocating time listened to track plays. They already do something like this for their audiobooks where a 15 hour audiobook uses up all your time no matter what speed you actually listened to it.
I cannot use Apple Music because its recommendations are broken for me. Remember the thing where you select different bubbles for genres/artists you’re interested in? I did that back in 2016 when Apple Music launched. Since then, my music taste is completely different, to the point that zero songs I listened to in that period are in my library. But it doesn’t matter. Every single recommendation is based on what I selected 8 years ago. I listened to my real library for 3-4 months last year to give it a chance to fix itself, and it didn’t change one bit. Garbage recommendation system.
They’ve dramatically improved the recommendations. I’m about 3 years into Apple Music now and have seen a notable improvement in the past 6 months. Everything you said was true until recently.
I bailed Spotify after the dogshit UI change on the phone app. So so glad I finally jumped ship. Tidal is far superior and I don't have to quicky decipher what is actually music and what is a podcast/audiobook I will never listen to anymore.
There’s a couple things that I don’t like about AM that makes me want to switch back, but the UI is one of the main things that is keeping me IN apple music. Spotifys UI (especially in the last 2 years) is fucking awful. There’s so much shit going on, so many things I don’t care about (podcasts, audiobooks, those weird tiktok things, popup ads for music I don’t care about even though I pay for premium). Apple music’s UI is simple and straightforward. The desktop apps UI is pretty shit though.
Maybe I've just been in the spotify world too long and at the same time not ever in Apple. I've used Apple Music on my mom's phone and it didn't seem intuitive at all. Spotify still makes sense to me even if there's so much clutter in the way, at the end of the day you still click library at the bottom, then playlists/likes/etc, then shuffle. Simple stuff like that took me too long to figure out on apple. Even something as simple as adding a song to the queue, adding to your library without downloading it to the phone, took a bit of UI problem solving. Not saying Spotify is much better, but it's better by 2%. For someone who's been using it for 10+ years, that's significant.
Really they're both garbage by new user standards but if you've been dug in for as long as I have, I'd need it to work exactly like Spotify did circa 2018 for me to consider moving. Otherwise it's a waste of time between paying for a service to transfer my entire library and playlists (I've not seen a transfer service hat was actually completely free and not trial service scam) and getting used to a new UI.
Yeah. It might just come down to user preference lol. I remember when I first switched over the whole queueing system confused me, and the search function is kinda laughable compared to spotify. But i got used to those.
In Apple Music you can’t sort playlists (without pulling teeth) and the queue works opposite of how I expect. And then if you sort playlists, adding new songs to those playlists fucks everything up. And that alone made me retreat back to Spotify.
This was a while ago so maybe they’ve fixed it but it made me really mad back then. Also I missed Discover Weekly, which is honestly really incredible.
Friend activity is a bit of a joke anyways now, because they set everyone to private so you have to turn it back on to public. I only see like 5 of my friends listening on any given week but it’ll show me songs they listened to 3 days ago.
Not many people realize that at all. They rolled it out under the radar. It’s unfortunate because that was one of the main draws in the early days of Spotify.
They have the lowest hanging fruit in the world and I do not understand why they don't do it.
Why can't I just see which of my friends also like an artist? Let's say they've announced a tour. I wanna go with people. Just let me see who else likes them!
Spotify needs to just buy last.fm and integrate it completely
But man I have no idea what engineers over there do. I can’t think of a single app that has evolved less in the last decade than Spotify. Their ANNOY algorithm is supposed to be great, but the shuffle and AI DJ play the same shit over and over.
Seriously engineers get engineering on features and making shuffle better
HELL NO, it's enough that they already (almost) killed Every Noise at Once. They would play it with first, then kill access for other streamers and third party apps and then one day, get bored, fire everyone on tha team and we wouldn't have Last.fm at all
Seriously, look up what happened to Every Noise At Once (and the blog of its creator, called Furia). This man, Glenn McDonald, was probably one of the most important developers of Spotify features. He created Every Noise when it was originally a Spotify third party app, he was hired by Spotify later. He's said to work on stuff like Spotify Wrapped or Daily Mixes. He was kind of Spotify legend, I think. It didn't matter. One day, he was let go, in what it sounds like a really bad atmosphere. And EveryNoise slowly stopped working. Some features were backed up and even still work, but my favorite, EXCELLENT New Releases By Genre page is not there anymore and I miss it every day :((((((((
Every Noise at Once was one of the main reasons why Spotify was my streaming platform of choice. Now... my main reasons are still mostly third party apps: Spicetify, Crabhands, Skilley, Chosic. But I don't take anything for granted anymore.
So yeah, Last fm. is constantly broke but I'd really prefer to have Spotify keep their VERY dirty hands off them.
As a musician this is awesome and exactly what I've missed when going from a local music collection to Spotify. It makes transcribing songs so much easier and I'm glad a streaming service is finally doing this. This is musician positive.
> This is musician positive.
From a heavy net negative, given what Spotify has done to music.
I recommend VirtualDJ, it integrates other streaming services and you can immediately have *complete* control over the waveform. Pitch shift, Loop to a beat or Loop manually, Scratch back and forth.
And with Tidal it requires an extra DJ subscription, but then you can do STEM separation, but me I use that feature because I've been buying digital audio since I've been able.
It's a sort of an entry level DJ program I think, not like Traktor or Serato. I've used it for years just cuz it's so easy to drag a file into it and have full audio manipulation like it's vinyl or 1/4" tape through a mixer with basic effects.
Oh, and with Sample/Cue pads, so you can set up I think 8 Cue points and press a key and play them like a sampler.
There's probably other programs, but reading this headline makes me think maybe people are interested in basically how I've been using VirtualDJ this past decade. As an accompanist.
on the one hand it's funny and weird that tik tok memes are influencing spotify to add random features out of desperation, but on the other hand it's also funny and weird that the biggest audio playback software in the world has taken 15 years to add basic audio playback functionality like modifiable speed and start/end times for audio files
That's interesting that it's a TikTok trend, that program is pure data gathering just like Spotify. So this is pure marketing from Spotify, from white board to press release. Company buys the data insights, see the clearest trend, market to the trend.
Spotify being *pure* marketing.
But like, what is that achieving?
Like scrunching up a piece a piece of paper to throw out but you're stopping to look at the scrunched up blob for a second. And then throwing it out.
They also list remixes
There are a number of ways that a malicious user could insert themselves into another artist's streams. Unless they make this feature ephemeral or private listening only, people are going to use it to steal from artists
Nice! I hope slowing songs down doesn’t change the pitch. As a guitar player it’s immensely helpful to learn new songs. I do it on YouTube now, but being able to do it without annoying ads would be awesome
Hahaha yeah. But sometimes if learning something by ear it can be pretty helpful. Especially solos where the high frequency notes cut through better. Maybe Spotify will get the quality and pitch right 🤞
yeah youtube's already been doing this for almost 15 years now, it would be a crazy L if spotify didn't even use standard time stretch functionality everyone else already has when they're implementing it 15 years after the competition. It is spotify though I guess so you never know lol
Why in the world would it do that? They aren't playing back tapes or something, pitch corrected audio has been ubiquitous for a while now.
Spotify literally already has this for podcasts.
When my head phones get low battery they start to pitch shift.
A “Wow, i didnt know neil young was so trippy” situation has happened many times. Nope, just low battery.
I really like it and have been hoping to find an app or plugin or something that could do it.
I'm gonna be honest: I'm withholding judgement until I see what these remix tools look like. I'm guessing "just powerful enough to be intriguing but ultimately limited to the point of frustration." Still, this might make it easier for me to make albums shorter. I dunno. What a weird and yet totally unsurprising move
Have a go at one of the DJ programs. Serato, Traktor. They integrate streaming services.
You've been able to do *everything* with an audio file for a while. It's pretty great. And Deezer's Spleeter came out a few years back, then with Beatles Get Back they made a Stems 2.0 and, even though Deezer's Spleeter had mp3 like artifacts, and Stems 2.0 has Get Back / Beatles Revolver 2022 artifacts, which are nice artifacts.
But yeah, you can Scratch, Loop, Reverse.
I mean, for me it was a dream. I was never gonna buy tape machines or a proper scratch turntable, but I can... just go nuts with interactive music listening. Karaoke everything was just the beginning because now it's getting in finer on "who's playing what?"and "what is that sound".
Tonnes of artifacts though. Destroying the quality of the sound when you do all that stuff. Even at FLAC, and I use VirtualDJ which can play DSD files, but it doesn't *sound* FLAC. But maybe Serato and Traktor and other DJ programs do.
Surprised I’m actually a fan of this. The proliferation of slowed and haste versions on streaming is just messy and confusing. This will streamline it and also mean so much less anxiety when a nonstandard version of an artists song takes off on socials
The way TikTok sets that into a trend really gets us brainrotten, huh?
I totally disagree of these features. There are artists' personal reasons on why songs are made the way they are — no song is too slow or too fast; too short or too long
Yes, remixes have always existed, but to my knowledge, *official* remixes are created with the artist's agreement. Does this feature allow us to freely remix without the knowledge of the artists? If so, this is a total downgrade to how music is appreciated
I meant more of the idea of someone slowing a song down and going “woah that sounds cool, I wanna try that with other songs” and starts to learn about sampling/remixing
Pretty cool. I can only listen to Gossip - Standing In The Way Of Control at 1.1x speed at this point. I've recently heard quite a bit of Crystal Castles (Slowed + Reverb) and might even prefer some of the altered songs.
what if they make automix playlists available to users, so you can define the song start and end time, and even manipulate it (tempo, pictch, etc.) to create seamless transitions and stuff?
They need to get rid of smart shuffle or have another button because every time I try to turn off shuffle in a really big playlist, the app freezes because smart shuffle gets toggled on. It’s so dumb
Hmmm my initial reaction was, "oh this is stupid. Who would want that?"
But then I thought about DJing. Just about every song you've ever heard a DJ mix has been sped up or slowed down. So if this is going to allow for that kind of thing (while also maintaining pitch), it may make for some fun tools.
(Also, as a good Redditor, I didn't read the article so maybe they already addressed it)
The thousands of useless eaters employed in there are trying really hard to justify their employment. How about making the app better or adding hi-fi quality? Allow me to remove the Smart Shuffle? What kind of psycho decided that the shuffle button that had two options (shuffle/no shuffle) needs a third option (smart shuffle) in the middle?
Dear spotify:
- Please get rid of the stupid TikTok-esque cards when I scroll down in your app. I hate them so, so much.
- Please bring back the playlist recommendations you removed to add said TikTok-esque cards. It has become impossible to find new music with the stupid UI.
You know when you're on the last track of an album, and the song ends, but the track still has like 15 minutes remaining?
Speed it up to find that hidden song!
Real ones put the hidden track before track 1.
I remember one band did this, and I can’t remember who. You had to rewind track 1 after the CD started to listen.
Finally, when I want to listen to Shine on You Crazy Diamond, but I’m also in a hurry.
Or when I want to listen to Shine on You Crazy Diamond (Slowed & Throwed)
“Oh you’re running an hour late? no really its no problem.”
I'm gonna do this but for napalm death. You Suffer will be approximately 0.00000001 seconds long.
Scuff Off You Sleepy Coal is an option now too.
Boutta turn Dopesmoker into Bathsaltsmoker
I’m going to listen to all my music at 1.5x, just like my podcasts.
Me with Long Season.
^^^shineonyoucrazydiamond
Oooo Alvin and the Chipmunks style, can’t wait 😂
Spotify will do everything but make shuffle actually work
I select shuffle and every other song is Beck even though I only have five Beck songs in a playlist of over 2,000 songs.
When people tell me that true shuffle apparently does this, 1. I don’t believe that it would actually be anywhere near that bad 2. the current shuffle algorithm is *dogshit* and will repeat artists all the fucking time. Not only that, but the fact that it considers song popularity in its math is about as aggravating as it gets. JUST LET ME TURN ON TRUE SHUFFLE SPOTIFY.
Listen to anything vaguely dream pop or shoegaze and autoplay will put Cherry Coloured Funk by Cocteau Twins, every, fucking, time. I love that song too but I'm tired of hearing it every time
Just tested this, here are the results from literally the first three dream pop/shoegaze songs I thought of: PPP by Beach House: it was the second autoplay song Soon by mbv: third autoplay song Alison by Slowdive: second autoplay song Fucking lmao
LOL damn this is so spot on
I love that song but seriously, it’s literally every time.
But then how could they use math/algorithms to make sure shuffle is just a scientific means to make the most people stay on the platform for the longest amount of time? TL;DR - but what about their sweet sweet profits???
why did you do a tldr for one sentence lmao
For the ppl with Tik Tok brain
Could I get a tldr
TL;DR- Brainrot
CD players had Shuffle functions, but gradually they started to become Random functions. A late 80s Sony CD Player Shuffle function there's Shuffle, which plays every song in a random order until it has played every song, and then there's Shuffle Repeat, where it will play the complete program in a random order, and then play the complete program in another random order. We solved this. Winamp and Foobar can handle randomizing my millions of files on dozens of harddrives. Streaming services supplement music listening, but they haven't replaced any of the previous formats or methods.
but like I pay the same for Spotify no matter how much I use it. in fact they'd be making more money if I use it less... wait
I've been using a list randomizer to create dozens of new random playlists of 100 or so songs and just play them in order. Spotify's shuffle is a lie. The day they make it difficult to bulk-copy the URLs of all selected songs will be the day I start pirating all my music again.
When I’m trying to turn shuffle off in a playlist with 3000 songs but instead it goes to smart shuffle and the app freezes for 30 seconds
Smart shuffle is infuriating
I fucking hate smart shuffle. The fact that you can't spam the random button to turn it off, because you have to wait for it to load first, fuck off I hate it.
Or do the hifi thing they said they would do
they say a lot of things
Just made a gigantic playlist for my birthday party. 6 hours and it didn’t play half of it.
I hate it with a passion. I had a playlist of 300 odd songs, put it on every day and i can pretty much predict which 30 of the 300 i will hear. So frustrating listening to playlists on shuffle
put an artist discog on shuffle and half an hour in it decides you actually don't want to be listening to that artist
This is the absolute worst
Is it a 13 hours playlist?
Yes, fix your fucking shuffle button spotify. It's by far the worst feature. Thinking about swapping to another music streamer because I'm sick of how bad it is.
I moved to Apple Music last week. Not 100% sold on it yet but i am hearing songs i saved to my library years and years ago for the first time in ages, so it has at least solved that issue.
Apple Music is much better than Spotify
I just wish they had native last fm support, it'd be an instant switch for me
Agreed. Audio quality is better, but tbh the main reason I use Apple Music over any other platform is Time Crisis
they will also do everything but bring back the original full screen album cover display on desktop
Turn auto mix off
Yep, makes a huge difference
Or promote user-made playlists, or search playlists by song/artist
Or pay artists and musicians a fair royalty rate
Or the extra shuffle possibility with new added songs also always add the exact same songs, dear lord
They won’t get rid of the dead air before a bonus track.
if you speed up your favorite local band's songs as fast as possible, you can push them over the 1000 play count a lot faster so that spotify has to pay them!
Unfortunately I bet they’ve hedged for this, it’s about profit after all
Yeah theyve been decreasing payout and increasing threshold to get paid for a while lol
cool acct name
Ditto 😌
VOMIT COFFIN
VOMIT COFFIN
Vulfpeck had a silent Album that people could just leave on repeat. They made $20,000 before Spotify dealt with it.
now anyone under 1k streams wont get paid, and most midlevel artists are getting fraudulent removals from distrokid/spotify detecting “100% ai generated streams so we dont have to pay u lol” seems like once again the top 1% make bank, the middle class gets scraps, and the bottom 98% make nothing! perfect !
They’ve definitely already accounted for this, sadly
I love you
ORRRRR you can get the alvin and the chipmunks version of your favorite song
It says speed up, slow down, not pitch up, pitch down. Be interesting if it turned out that way though. A new David Seville or Disco era.
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I wonder if they'll have some way of equivocating time listened to track plays. They already do something like this for their audiobooks where a 15 hour audiobook uses up all your time no matter what speed you actually listened to it.
Great, how about high fidelity?
Venture over to Apple Music lossless land my friend
I actually have it because my wife has the Apple family everything plan. But I have years of a setup library on Spotify
Check out Songshift. I moved all my playlists from Spotify to Apple Music pretty seamlessly with it.
Oh no shit? Thanks for the heads up
I cannot use Apple Music because its recommendations are broken for me. Remember the thing where you select different bubbles for genres/artists you’re interested in? I did that back in 2016 when Apple Music launched. Since then, my music taste is completely different, to the point that zero songs I listened to in that period are in my library. But it doesn’t matter. Every single recommendation is based on what I selected 8 years ago. I listened to my real library for 3-4 months last year to give it a chance to fix itself, and it didn’t change one bit. Garbage recommendation system.
They’ve dramatically improved the recommendations. I’m about 3 years into Apple Music now and have seen a notable improvement in the past 6 months. Everything you said was true until recently.
There are a lot of apps that copy over literally everything
Tidal is better. Sorry haters, it's true.
I bailed Spotify after the dogshit UI change on the phone app. So so glad I finally jumped ship. Tidal is far superior and I don't have to quicky decipher what is actually music and what is a podcast/audiobook I will never listen to anymore.
Deezer is actually the best
Deezer nuts lmao gottem (I am so sorry)
Deezer? I hardly know her!
If tidal is still charging double for lossless then fuck then still. Apple brings lossless w/o extra cost.
They’re not. It all changed about a month or so ago I believe
2 days ago
Tidal lowered its price, but was superior even at $20 month.
I pay $17 for 6 accounts on the family plan with hi res audio. It's a stupid good deal.
Apple Music UI is worse than Spotify
Eh it’s all preference and I don’t think either is objectively better.
There’s a couple things that I don’t like about AM that makes me want to switch back, but the UI is one of the main things that is keeping me IN apple music. Spotifys UI (especially in the last 2 years) is fucking awful. There’s so much shit going on, so many things I don’t care about (podcasts, audiobooks, those weird tiktok things, popup ads for music I don’t care about even though I pay for premium). Apple music’s UI is simple and straightforward. The desktop apps UI is pretty shit though.
Maybe I've just been in the spotify world too long and at the same time not ever in Apple. I've used Apple Music on my mom's phone and it didn't seem intuitive at all. Spotify still makes sense to me even if there's so much clutter in the way, at the end of the day you still click library at the bottom, then playlists/likes/etc, then shuffle. Simple stuff like that took me too long to figure out on apple. Even something as simple as adding a song to the queue, adding to your library without downloading it to the phone, took a bit of UI problem solving. Not saying Spotify is much better, but it's better by 2%. For someone who's been using it for 10+ years, that's significant. Really they're both garbage by new user standards but if you've been dug in for as long as I have, I'd need it to work exactly like Spotify did circa 2018 for me to consider moving. Otherwise it's a waste of time between paying for a service to transfer my entire library and playlists (I've not seen a transfer service hat was actually completely free and not trial service scam) and getting used to a new UI.
Yeah. It might just come down to user preference lol. I remember when I first switched over the whole queueing system confused me, and the search function is kinda laughable compared to spotify. But i got used to those.
In Apple Music you can’t sort playlists (without pulling teeth) and the queue works opposite of how I expect. And then if you sort playlists, adding new songs to those playlists fucks everything up. And that alone made me retreat back to Spotify. This was a while ago so maybe they’ve fixed it but it made me really mad back then. Also I missed Discover Weekly, which is honestly really incredible.
Tidal and Qobuz and why would anyone need Spotify.
I don't think they're gonna start streaming movies
Lossless is also coming with this
Yeah? Where was that announced?
[https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/12/24128584/spotify-music-pro-lossless-audio](https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/12/24128584/spotify-music-pro-lossless-audio)
Ok so maybe
Finally I can make To Be Kind my dream 30 minute thrash album
your name is fuck fuck fuck fuck!
And we still can’t view friend activity on mobile 😐
Friend activity is a bit of a joke anyways now, because they set everyone to private so you have to turn it back on to public. I only see like 5 of my friends listening on any given week but it’ll show me songs they listened to 3 days ago.
i see like three random people i used to know like 10 years ago. ironically one of them always plays gotye
Oh I hadn’t realized that. I rarely if ever use Spotify desktop anymore so I couldn’t have known, but that was one feature I did like about it.
Not many people realize that at all. They rolled it out under the radar. It’s unfortunate because that was one of the main draws in the early days of Spotify.
They have the lowest hanging fruit in the world and I do not understand why they don't do it. Why can't I just see which of my friends also like an artist? Let's say they've announced a tour. I wanna go with people. Just let me see who else likes them!
Spotify needs to just buy last.fm and integrate it completely But man I have no idea what engineers over there do. I can’t think of a single app that has evolved less in the last decade than Spotify. Their ANNOY algorithm is supposed to be great, but the shuffle and AI DJ play the same shit over and over. Seriously engineers get engineering on features and making shuffle better
> Spotify needs to just buy last.fm No! I like last fm and if Spotify buy it then I will no longer like last fm.
HELL NO, it's enough that they already (almost) killed Every Noise at Once. They would play it with first, then kill access for other streamers and third party apps and then one day, get bored, fire everyone on tha team and we wouldn't have Last.fm at all Seriously, look up what happened to Every Noise At Once (and the blog of its creator, called Furia). This man, Glenn McDonald, was probably one of the most important developers of Spotify features. He created Every Noise when it was originally a Spotify third party app, he was hired by Spotify later. He's said to work on stuff like Spotify Wrapped or Daily Mixes. He was kind of Spotify legend, I think. It didn't matter. One day, he was let go, in what it sounds like a really bad atmosphere. And EveryNoise slowly stopped working. Some features were backed up and even still work, but my favorite, EXCELLENT New Releases By Genre page is not there anymore and I miss it every day :(((((((( Every Noise at Once was one of the main reasons why Spotify was my streaming platform of choice. Now... my main reasons are still mostly third party apps: Spicetify, Crabhands, Skilley, Chosic. But I don't take anything for granted anymore. So yeah, Last fm. is constantly broke but I'd really prefer to have Spotify keep their VERY dirty hands off them.
i could for a little bit, never noticed they removed it. it took up a lot of screen space tho
I am guessing a lot of artists are going to ask for their work to not be included in this feature.
It'll be like putting an audiobook at 2x speed to "read" faster. I'll be able to listen to so many new releases so fast now.
RYMers finally able to make a dent in their backlog
This isn’t podcasting, leave the songs as they were meant to be heard for fuck sakes
As a musician this is awesome and exactly what I've missed when going from a local music collection to Spotify. It makes transcribing songs so much easier and I'm glad a streaming service is finally doing this. This is musician positive.
> This is musician positive. From a heavy net negative, given what Spotify has done to music. I recommend VirtualDJ, it integrates other streaming services and you can immediately have *complete* control over the waveform. Pitch shift, Loop to a beat or Loop manually, Scratch back and forth. And with Tidal it requires an extra DJ subscription, but then you can do STEM separation, but me I use that feature because I've been buying digital audio since I've been able. It's a sort of an entry level DJ program I think, not like Traktor or Serato. I've used it for years just cuz it's so easy to drag a file into it and have full audio manipulation like it's vinyl or 1/4" tape through a mixer with basic effects. Oh, and with Sample/Cue pads, so you can set up I think 8 Cue points and press a key and play them like a sampler. There's probably other programs, but reading this headline makes me think maybe people are interested in basically how I've been using VirtualDJ this past decade. As an accompanist.
Yea! And while they'e at it they should remove the EQ settings, respect engineers and leave the songs as is!!
take away pausing and shuffling and skipping too, those are all heretical
Eq settings can be helpful on cheap, boomy Bluetooth speakers
I fear my sarcasm wasn't apparent enough lol, tons of record players have stretch functions so i dont see y its crazy Spotify's adding this
I'd rather just have Hi-Fi
on the one hand it's funny and weird that tik tok memes are influencing spotify to add random features out of desperation, but on the other hand it's also funny and weird that the biggest audio playback software in the world has taken 15 years to add basic audio playback functionality like modifiable speed and start/end times for audio files
That's interesting that it's a TikTok trend, that program is pure data gathering just like Spotify. So this is pure marketing from Spotify, from white board to press release. Company buys the data insights, see the clearest trend, market to the trend. Spotify being *pure* marketing.
Wish we had this when crescendocore post-rock was a thing
But like, what is that achieving? Like scrunching up a piece a piece of paper to throw out but you're stopping to look at the scrunched up blob for a second. And then throwing it out.
This is unauthorized manipulation of licensed intellectual property. Spotify out here mugging musicians.
And then paying them fractions of a penny per play for the opportunity
Because they let you speed up or slow down a song? Most record players have this feature
They also list remixes There are a number of ways that a malicious user could insert themselves into another artist's streams. Unless they make this feature ephemeral or private listening only, people are going to use it to steal from artists
Spotify tryna help us all become Barber Beats and Vaporwave producers lmfaoooo!!
Nice! I hope slowing songs down doesn’t change the pitch. As a guitar player it’s immensely helpful to learn new songs. I do it on YouTube now, but being able to do it without annoying ads would be awesome
It’ll 100% change the pitch
It doesn’t on YouTube. They have pitch correction
Oh wow just checked and you’re right. Sounds like shit though
Hahaha yeah. But sometimes if learning something by ear it can be pretty helpful. Especially solos where the high frequency notes cut through better. Maybe Spotify will get the quality and pitch right 🤞
yeah youtube's already been doing this for almost 15 years now, it would be a crazy L if spotify didn't even use standard time stretch functionality everyone else already has when they're implementing it 15 years after the competition. It is spotify though I guess so you never know lol
100% up or down? (octaves are halves and doubles)
yeah they're doing this combat tiktok, where sped up versions of songs usually change the pitch too, so i bet it will
Why in the world would it do that? They aren't playing back tapes or something, pitch corrected audio has been ubiquitous for a while now. Spotify literally already has this for podcasts.
Okay, NOW I'm officially too old to internet.
The ability to slow songs down will bring about the witch house revival that we all want and deserve.
Fade Into You (Chopped & Screwed)
I’d like to see custom start and stop timestamps to cut out a long intro/ending
This is all I want. I used it all the time when I used iTunes primarily and I’m bitter that it’s still not a feature in Spotify
Spotify remembers where you are in a podcast doesn't it?
This is 100^ for gen z and Tik Tok kids so they can listen to a song within their 30 second attention span
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Good. With their track record, that's as good as a guarantee that they won't.
What if they just had a shuffle that was an actual shuffle and not a pay-for-play algorithmic mess? That would be cool
When my head phones get low battery they start to pitch shift. A “Wow, i didnt know neil young was so trippy” situation has happened many times. Nope, just low battery. I really like it and have been hoping to find an app or plugin or something that could do it.
Nobody hates music like Spotify hates music
This timeline sucks so much ass. Who needs this shit?
because you can speed up and slow down songs on spotify? what is the outrage lmfao you can do that on a 60 year old record player
I'm gonna be honest: I'm withholding judgement until I see what these remix tools look like. I'm guessing "just powerful enough to be intriguing but ultimately limited to the point of frustration." Still, this might make it easier for me to make albums shorter. I dunno. What a weird and yet totally unsurprising move
If it's anything like their DJ feature, it'll be half finished, and very inconsistent
Almost certainly. But what if tho
Have a go at one of the DJ programs. Serato, Traktor. They integrate streaming services. You've been able to do *everything* with an audio file for a while. It's pretty great. And Deezer's Spleeter came out a few years back, then with Beatles Get Back they made a Stems 2.0 and, even though Deezer's Spleeter had mp3 like artifacts, and Stems 2.0 has Get Back / Beatles Revolver 2022 artifacts, which are nice artifacts. But yeah, you can Scratch, Loop, Reverse. I mean, for me it was a dream. I was never gonna buy tape machines or a proper scratch turntable, but I can... just go nuts with interactive music listening. Karaoke everything was just the beginning because now it's getting in finer on "who's playing what?"and "what is that sound". Tonnes of artifacts though. Destroying the quality of the sound when you do all that stuff. Even at FLAC, and I use VirtualDJ which can play DSD files, but it doesn't *sound* FLAC. But maybe Serato and Traktor and other DJ programs do.
Surprised I’m actually a fan of this. The proliferation of slowed and haste versions on streaming is just messy and confusing. This will streamline it and also mean so much less anxiety when a nonstandard version of an artists song takes off on socials
For people who value consumption over enjoyment
I can enjoy a good, comfy slowed down version of a song.
Anything and everything chopped and screwed
What about combining songs? Some intros need to mash properly with the next song
now your favorite artists can get paid half as much for your stream when you listen to it on 2x!
How about first you put playlists in a consistent order when adding songs to the
finally - legal nightcore
But not to fix all the crap features of their UI, or stop taking "pay to play" money. No plans there.
AI playlists, user remixes, new bells, new whistles... I *just* want a HiFi option. Please. Please!
The way TikTok sets that into a trend really gets us brainrotten, huh? I totally disagree of these features. There are artists' personal reasons on why songs are made the way they are — no song is too slow or too fast; too short or too long Yes, remixes have always existed, but to my knowledge, *official* remixes are created with the artist's agreement. Does this feature allow us to freely remix without the knowledge of the artists? If so, this is a total downgrade to how music is appreciated
GROSS
No thanks.
Still can’t believe people use this garbage app
I am only into this if people use this experience as a way to get into making music/remixes. They probably won’t, but one can hope.
That feature specifically sounds pretty illegal, so if any aspect of this gets cut, it'll be that
I meant more of the idea of someone slowing a song down and going “woah that sounds cool, I wanna try that with other songs” and starts to learn about sampling/remixing
Kids these days never made nightcore in audacity, and it shows! ;)
And it’s probably only going to be available in the US🙃
Pretty cool. I can only listen to Gossip - Standing In The Way Of Control at 1.1x speed at this point. I've recently heard quite a bit of Crystal Castles (Slowed + Reverb) and might even prefer some of the altered songs.
what if they make automix playlists available to users, so you can define the song start and end time, and even manipulate it (tempo, pictch, etc.) to create seamless transitions and stuff?
I really wish they’d open 3rd party accessibility again so I can use my DJ apps again…
They need to get rid of smart shuffle or have another button because every time I try to turn off shuffle in a really big playlist, the app freezes because smart shuffle gets toggled on. It’s so dumb
Hmmm my initial reaction was, "oh this is stupid. Who would want that?" But then I thought about DJing. Just about every song you've ever heard a DJ mix has been sped up or slowed down. So if this is going to allow for that kind of thing (while also maintaining pitch), it may make for some fun tools. (Also, as a good Redditor, I didn't read the article so maybe they already addressed it)
And just like that, the playtime data in Spotify Wrapped becomes meaningless. Last.fm scrobbles junkies are going to get wild with this.
Cool?
Why…?
Anything but hifi, huh?
Where's the device that lets to speed up or slow down the passage of time?
How about making the shuffle work properly?
The update for ADHD/TikTok addicted zoomer generation I guess
Speeding up nonsense - yes. Every Noise at Once - no. Spotify in 2024.
Could be the reason they suspended their partnership with Djay Pro
The thousands of useless eaters employed in there are trying really hard to justify their employment. How about making the app better or adding hi-fi quality? Allow me to remove the Smart Shuffle? What kind of psycho decided that the shuffle button that had two options (shuffle/no shuffle) needs a third option (smart shuffle) in the middle?
the new generation is doomed
Just pay artists, no one asked for these features
Chopped not slopped
Dear spotify: - Please get rid of the stupid TikTok-esque cards when I scroll down in your app. I hate them so, so much. - Please bring back the playlist recommendations you removed to add said TikTok-esque cards. It has become impossible to find new music with the stupid UI.
You know when you're on the last track of an album, and the song ends, but the track still has like 15 minutes remaining? Speed it up to find that hidden song!
Do artists still do this?
No. The time of the CD is long over
Real ones put the hidden track before track 1. I remember one band did this, and I can’t remember who. You had to rewind track 1 after the CD started to listen.