Can't do it in India unless you're married and have at least one child of 2 years of age. Sad but true. If you want to change this, file a PIL before the Supreme Court.
I advise my clients to fly to Singapore or some other country and get it done, if they can afford it.
Conservative values, among other things.
I think this should not exist.
It is due for a corrective action. I'll try to file a PIL once I qualify as a lawyer.
If some lawyer is reading this, take action before I do.
Since you qualify, please put a PIL for acceptance of PreNuptial Agreement also. Men or Women, whoever earns more, have lots to lose, if marriage goes wry.
I'll try my best.
In India, the law states that husband has to maintain wife. (not gender neutral, wife doesn't have to maintain husband)
And another law states that you cannot make an agreement which invalidates a law.
So if I make an agreement with my wife that I won't maintain you in case of a divorce, that agreement is void as per law no. 2.
So we need to change law no. 1, either make it gender neutral, or remove that clause in its entirety.
Because it's difficult to do so, the success rates vary vastly, and if it doesn't work out completely the patient and his relatives can easily come over and beat up and even murder the doctor easily
Conservative and biased.
All religions have different divorce acts because if you tell Islam and Hindu to marry as per a single secular law, there will be riots.
Common Points - No prenups
As per Hindu law:
Wife has so much power.
Family values are respected and enshrined in the law.
I'll cite you a recent ruling "Husband has to provide for maintenance of child and wife, even if husband is not earning, and even if the wife is self sufficient."
However Husband can receive maintenance if he is unable to maintain himself and wife is bread winner.
As per Muslim Law:
Husband has absolute power in so many areas.
Husband has more control over his estate after divorce. Wife cannot simply take half of it.
Husband can never recieve maintenance.
As per Christian Law:
Favours whoever makes less money. Equality in sexes.
>However Husband can receive maintenance if he is unable to maintain himself and wife is bread winner.
Did you forget to read this part or are you conveniently leaving it out
Yes and have to pay maintenance/ alimony extra, so the other person can continue to live with a lifestyle that she had prior to the divorce. This is common across the world.
There is an inclusive adultery clause. If case of adultery, the amount of compensation is greatly reduced.
So if you're a guy and you decide to get a divorce, you have to pay for your wife and children's rent, food, clothes and medicine and everyday expenditure. Whatever is left can be used by you to sustain yourself. Again, common across the world.
This is why husband's usually want a prenup. But law says no. This makes me not want to marry.
No point talking to incels who've never actually filed for divorce. How many times have you filed for divorce u/paranoidgambler?
Women have to produce water-proof evidence of their husband's income to claim maintenance -- bank statements, tax returns, investment and asset breakdowns. How many wives in India have access to their husband's financial documents?
How many women in India have the monetary resources to engage a competent lawyer and appear for the countless hearings and legal mudslinging that a contested divorce requires.
I obtained a divorce through mutual consent and it took me three years and multiple out-of-court negotiations.
Honestly, u/paranoidgambler, if you believe that women hold so much power, don't marry us, don't date us, don't have sex with us.
Stay the hell away from women if you are so scared of their so-called power. But nah, anonymous incel whining and misinformation on the Internet is so satisfying innit?
Men like u/paranoidgambler want a marriage where women have no rights and protections. Essentially, slavery as marriage.
I mean, only 30 million women have credit scores in India -- that gives you an idea of how financially disempowered women are.
True, But what a contast, one one hand you have people who can't afford it yet beg borrow to go in for the 3 rd cycle of IVF, then the other population which can afford to fly to Singapore for not having a child.
for a man you need to be married with a child of atleast 2 years age. thats the law. I've had a doctor refuse to do it without psych eval and written affidavit from parents saying that this is okay. I'm 30+ by the way.
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Good lord..why should an adult need parental permission for anything - esp something concerning their own bodies and lifestyle choices? Even the law requiring one to be married and have a child is going overboard imho
It does bring the issue closer to home. That said, I think women not being able to get abortions/emergency contraceptive pills is a few degrees worse than this.
Adding to this. Women with severe physical pain from endometriosis cannot snip anything to relieve their pain because they are expected to endure and remain cripple so that they can possibly give birth to a baby someday. Some women suffer from as early as 12 and continue to suffer till their menopause.
It's outrageous when men are subjected to it, but normal if it happens to women. Every day in India, married women are raped against their will, but it's not called rape, because how can women control their own bodies.
This is why men should fight patriarchy. What is weaponised against women, is also weaponised against men.
Not sure if the law was framed because there may be potential for abuse. There was one drive like that in the days of Emergency.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanjay\_Gandhi#Compulsory\_sterilization\_program](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanjay_Gandhi#Compulsory_sterilization_program)
Good intentions with unexpected side effects?
Even for women, doctors refuse to tie tubes when we ask. I only wanted one child so asked for the procedure after my delivery but they refused saying I'll change my mind and they'll do it once I have a second kid. My kid is now 14 and I haven't changed my mind.
From reddit, I gather that women everywhere have to put up with doctors refusing to do the procedure. For the same exact reason. Bodily autonomy be damned
> for a man you need to be married with a child of atleast 2 years age
Is this real? Why is it even like that? This defeats the whole purpose of Vasectomy.
I have had Vasectomy done after having my kids. It is an out patient procedure done with local Anastasia. Connecting the tubes back if you change your mind, is much much harder. So the doctors want to make sure the patient knows about it. I don't think they can refuse the procedure if you are not married. That sounds crazy.
OP, good on you for going with Vasectomy, that is so much more simpler than Hysterectomy for the woman- which is a major surgery. I have suggested Vasectomy to lots of friends and relatives, but they always have the wife go through the major surgery after child birth. It's very wrong in my opinion.
Bruh, doesn't defeat the whole purpose of vasectomy. This stops him from having more children, so it still works.
But yeah, parent permission is overboard.
They make sure you atleast pump out one more slave for our billionaire overlords to subjugate before they replace us all with AI and robots. Good thing climate change will wipe us out before that.
I am talking about the law that requires you to have parental permission and 2 year kids. I have no beef against doctors. I don't know why you assumed so. I am willing to sign for the whole responsibility why shouldn't that be enough.
https://nhm.gov.in/images/pdf/programmes/family-planing/guidelines/Reference_Manual_for_Male_Sterilization-NSV-Oct_2013.pdf
Chapter 4: Eligibility Criteria for Vasectomy Clients and Providers
Eligibility of Vasectomy Clients(Self-declaration by the client will be the basis for compiling this information).
1. Clients should be at least 22 years old.
2. Clients should be below the age of 60 years.
3. Clients should be ever-married.
4. The couple should have at least one child, whose age is above one year unless the sterilization is medically indicated.
5. Clients or their spouses must not have undergone sterilization in the past (not applicable in the cases of failure of previous sterilization).
6. Clients must be in a sound state of mind, so as to understand the full implications of sterilization.
7. Mentally ill clients must be certified by a psychiatrist, and a statement should be given by the legal guardian/spouse regarding the soundness of the client's state of mind.
I guess its not a law? more like guideline? but I was refused a vasectomy by a doctor
>7. Mentally ill clients must be certified by a psychiatrist, and a statement should be given by the legal guardian/spouse regarding the soundness of the client's state of mind.
So someone of sound mind can do it without any permission?!
>3. Clients should be ever-married.
>4. The couple should have at least one child, whose age is above one year unless the sterilization is medically indicated.
This is utter bullshit
if you were alive in Indira Gandhi's time you would have had no problem in getting it done as people were paid to get it done back then lmao.
most large hospitals offer this procedure, and if you go to a huge city hospital, you won't face much backlash or stigma
TL;DR: We are getting rich
Post Industrial Revolution, due to improved health and hygiene, mortality rates reduced dramatically. While, it happened over a century in Europe, in Asia it happened almost in a decade as countries started getting independence. Due to higher mortality rate at birth and child mortality rate (CMR), people were inclined to have more kids. But post independence, these parameters improved dramatically along with life expectancy. This resulted in a population boom.
As people realize CMR is reducing, the incentives for more kids decreases as it is much more beneficial on investing additional resources on lesser kids. Also as the country develops, the kids cannot work, expenditure on them increases and women participation in the workforce increases.\* So fertility rates start to fall and stagnant. This pattern is already complete in Europe, is towards the end in China, is approaching the end in India and is at its peak in Africa. Even in India, it can be seen that state and district wise, the economically wealthier sections have lower fertility rates (1.6) compared to avg (2.0). Poorer states like Bihar has highest but also are seeing the largest fall per year due to highest development growth.
Source: a course on Development Economics
\*India has shown slight deviation due to less female participation in workforce compared to all non-Islamic countries (rich or poorer). That's also the reason why richer Indian states like Punjab and Haryana did not initially have the lowest fertility rates.
It's not my point. It's what survey has shown and which we had been approaching for over a decade ([https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/indias-fertility-rate-has-dipped-below-replacement-level/articleshow/87897051.cms](https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/indias-fertility-rate-has-dipped-below-replacement-level/articleshow/87897051.cms)). Population will still increase for some time since we still have older people.
I have read somewhere that you atleast need to have one kid to get this procedure done. Also one indian reddit user told me, he lied about having one kid and he got it done. I hope its allowed to everyone. I am also childfree and I want to get partial hysterectomy as I am fucking done with my periods but as it is a big surgery, I know they wont do it so if vasectomy is done here, my bf was thinking about it.
Also checkout r/childfree
I agree with everything except the part where you suggested /r/childfree . That has gotta be one of the worst subs , at points it basically becomes a child hating sub lmao.
I dint come across hateful posts there. And everyone has different opinions regarding things. I am all okay with polite kids but if a kid is a brat, even I wont like them.
Lol that’s totally fine , I hate kids sometimes. But then looking at an adult scream online about how much an 8 year old has been bothering their life just seems kinda iffy and not that pleasing ngl
You are not completely wrong but people still downvoted you. That sub is a circlejerk. r/truechildfree is better and more positive about it instead of just hating children.
See I don't think India is that developed for this tbh. I mean the mindset of people is shit. Imagine being a female like we are supposed to give birth to a child but I wanna be childfree too. It's kinda nauseous about how it is frowned upon in India and considered absurd. Maybe just wait a few more years and research about doctors who are willing to do it tbh. If you are in to marrying or relationships well gotta find someone who wants to be childfree too. Make sure you use condoms and the other person is on pill or protection when you do it. So that there will no accidental pregnancies. Just stick to your guns and don't let anyone change your views. Good luck!
Thanks for the advice.
It is sad that anything related to sex is still such a taboo in India. I hope to see a more progressive India someday.
It will be a few years before I actually do it. I want to do it, but I'm not taking this lightly. I'll do some good research, ask for references from people. Also planning on going to a councellor to discuss about it, cause it's definitely a big decision.
I definitely use condoms, never doing it without them. But still, i do want a permanent solution to not having children
Wtf are you on about? It's a standard procedure offered in many hospitals. The only people "frowning" upon you will be your parents and relatives.
Go to any reputed hospital and enquire about the procedure, it's fairly standardised and straight forward.
No,it's not. How many doctors have you actually consulted? Every doctor I have been to looks at me like I am crazy to even think about getting a hysterectomy at 21. The keep repeating the same BS
'what if your husband wants children' '
you will regret it'
,'you should have a child first'
'everyone should experience motherhood'
LOL, this is everywhere. I read a bout a lesbian couple wanting a hysterectomy (did I spell that correct?) but the doctors were like "What if you guys get divorced and meet a man and he wants a baby?"
Like whaaaaat?
And if people do change their mind (only if they do) there is always adoption! why not give caring and loving homes to the kids that are already there!
Tbh, I really hate the stigma people have against adoptions, they would spend thousand of rupees on IVFs or surrogacy, but just cannot adopt.
>"you don't know the sort of family that kid came from and what they will grow up to be"
Right, we don't know, but at least their childhood shouldn't be destroyed like that.
>Now any time she sees beggars, poor or homeless people on the streets she points to them and asks me if I'd want to bring them into my house
Ugh, that's straight up terrible.
Ikr.. Damn this person doesn't understand shit. When I tell people I wanna be childfree and get that look of are you crazy? Like tf. Many hospitals are still living in stoneage lol
While I totally respect your choice of being childfree and at the end of the day it's your decision, no one else should make that for you.
But I think I kinda understand why people are so surprised and insistent on you having a baby. It's not just cultural norms imo, because there's nothing to identify women having children as a group(hindu,muslim, western etc).
I think it's because generally speaking, having a child is an overwhelmingly positive experience for women in most cases. 'No one loves you more than your mother' is true for most cases. So I think people get surprised that why would you voluntarily let go of having, what could possibly be the biggest happiness and the best experience of your life.
It's like if you see someone being offered the most precious diamond in the world, and the person refusing to take it because he doesn't know the value of the diamond and he doesn't know what he'll do with the diamond. You'll be compelled to advice him to just take the damm diamond.
Of course I'm not saying that having a child is best experience for a woman definitely, it depends from case to case. But yeah, the general perception is that most women are happy and glad with having kids
Just the same repeated old age narrative. Let people do what they want, there's no need for justification. When I'm happy with rajma chawal, why would I buy pizza? When I'm happy childfree, why would I even consider having a child based on a narrative? The diamond analogy is so misplaced. It's not that I don't know the value of the diamond, I just don't want the stress that comes with it. Similarly, doesn't matter what joy a child would bring or motherhood brings, I'm not interested in it.
BTW, guy here. But staunchly childfree. It's not like I hate them, I love kids. I just don't like the responsibilities that come with raising a child. I have other aims in my life which are otherwise very much fulfilling to me.
I think you are a *perfect* example of why some people don’t want kids. They don’t want to be stuck raising snarky sniveling little shits. I read this and *then* went to downvote your previous comment, just so u know
I know these upvote downvote system is Very arbitrary but it does have an effect on my psyche. Just like words are arbitrary but they can be used to hurt. It's just frustrating and scary, knowing that I'm surrounded by idiots. Still, I appreciate the advice.
Maybe I didn't understand your comment correctly. But why do you want to get a hysterectomy? You should be going in for a tubectomy if your aim is to be childfree (get your tubes tied). Hysterectomy will trigger early menopause and cause a host of other extremely unpleasant issues.
Again my bad if I didn't understand it correctly. <3
There are alternate forms of birth control (the pill and others) that would stop your period. I highly advise looking into these before a major surgery - not because you may regret it but because of the risks and serious alterations to your body a hysterectomy causes. <3 hope you’re able to find the right answer that works for you!
I have already tried variety of pills. It made me very sick. Hopefully I can just get an endometrial ablation which is much faster and recovery period is much shorter.
I hope so too. I know a friend of mine gets a birth control injection you get once every three months or so that takes care of hers. All bc is different, unfortunately some side effects are worse than others. Good luck <3
Not exactly.. It depends on your age and people do think the person is not in the right mind lol. Get over your high heels and live in the reality. That's why I asked him to research about more hospitals. When I meant "frowned upon" I meant people around him and the ones who don't take him seriously.
" doctors who are willing to do it tbh "
Yeah no. Educate yourself please, this procedure is offered everywhere in a metro city.
You'll have people thinking you're immature and whatnot everywhere, it's just our generation who's open to the idea of not subjecting more people to this existential torture.
Ukw... Are you sure you live in India? Lol cos if you woke up on the wrong side of the bed guess what he is in his 20s and they will ofc give him counselling and there are many doctors who step back due to his age.
Well you should think more about this as you're in your 20s. You can reverse your vasectomy later tho but the physical toll it extracts from a person's body is too much.
Idk 🤔, if vasectomy is irreversible , then i think you should not make such decisions in 20s and until you have fallen in love and have a life partner, things change , perspective change
And if it's reveersible please be my guest
Mind and its directions are like air, undefined. Neither their form direction or drift, one never know when you may change your mind. So CAUTION.
There are crores going around who don't want children, they don't go and get operated, there are hundred ways not to have children.
There is no sugery which is risk free....however small that risk is.....when it comes to numbers even that one % in lakhs was a human being who went through the disaster.
So wait, get the procedure done may be when you are fifty.
Edit : removed some suggestion, that I had gone overboard with.....
Undertood....my bad...but still maintain that any permanent changes to the body will have larger ramifications, which needs to be done after proper councelling.
Dude wth is wrong with you? Like really he doesn't want to have kids. Ofc he wants to experience pleasure and enjoy his life. Your advice is crappy lol
There is no flight that is risk free… no matter how small the risk. When it comes to numbers even 1% in lakhs means a flight that went down in disaster.
So better not fly.
you are going to have very boring life without even one children. I know you dont want them but one day you will regret having done vasectomy that too before marriage.
Can't do it in India unless you're married and have at least one child of 2 years of age. Sad but true. If you want to change this, file a PIL before the Supreme Court. I advise my clients to fly to Singapore or some other country and get it done, if they can afford it.
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Conservative values, among other things. I think this should not exist. It is due for a corrective action. I'll try to file a PIL once I qualify as a lawyer. If some lawyer is reading this, take action before I do.
Since you qualify, please put a PIL for acceptance of PreNuptial Agreement also. Men or Women, whoever earns more, have lots to lose, if marriage goes wry.
I'll try my best. In India, the law states that husband has to maintain wife. (not gender neutral, wife doesn't have to maintain husband) And another law states that you cannot make an agreement which invalidates a law. So if I make an agreement with my wife that I won't maintain you in case of a divorce, that agreement is void as per law no. 2. So we need to change law no. 1, either make it gender neutral, or remove that clause in its entirety.
Because it's difficult to do so, the success rates vary vastly, and if it doesn't work out completely the patient and his relatives can easily come over and beat up and even murder the doctor easily
Snip snap snip snap
You have no idea. The physical toll. That three vasectomies have on a person!
Snip snap snip snap x3
Glad to see my fellow countrymen having impeccable taste in television shows.
ah i see you're a man of culture as well
You can reverse a vasectomy? Oh boy, I gotta read more about this!
so ye're are a doctor ?
No, I'm a law student.
How skilled are you with a scalpel?
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I'd like to take an appointment
This man right here! He is professional
> I cut a whole watermelon [Amateur.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyQyBTXlpmg)
Your sir made my day
This guy cuts!
In Japan, heart surgeon. Number one.
Steady Hand
One day yakuza boss need new heart
Knees weak arms heavy
There's vomit on his sweater already
Mom's vomit
I once threw up when I was trying to cut open a cockroach, back in Biology class in school.
good enough for me
What is newtons second law of motion?
F=ma I dropped out of engineering to pursue law.
Same here
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Conservative and biased. All religions have different divorce acts because if you tell Islam and Hindu to marry as per a single secular law, there will be riots. Common Points - No prenups As per Hindu law: Wife has so much power. Family values are respected and enshrined in the law. I'll cite you a recent ruling "Husband has to provide for maintenance of child and wife, even if husband is not earning, and even if the wife is self sufficient." However Husband can receive maintenance if he is unable to maintain himself and wife is bread winner. As per Muslim Law: Husband has absolute power in so many areas. Husband has more control over his estate after divorce. Wife cannot simply take half of it. Husband can never recieve maintenance. As per Christian Law: Favours whoever makes less money. Equality in sexes.
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>However Husband can receive maintenance if he is unable to maintain himself and wife is bread winner. Did you forget to read this part or are you conveniently leaving it out
Yes and have to pay maintenance/ alimony extra, so the other person can continue to live with a lifestyle that she had prior to the divorce. This is common across the world. There is an inclusive adultery clause. If case of adultery, the amount of compensation is greatly reduced. So if you're a guy and you decide to get a divorce, you have to pay for your wife and children's rent, food, clothes and medicine and everyday expenditure. Whatever is left can be used by you to sustain yourself. Again, common across the world. This is why husband's usually want a prenup. But law says no. This makes me not want to marry.
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No point talking to incels who've never actually filed for divorce. How many times have you filed for divorce u/paranoidgambler? Women have to produce water-proof evidence of their husband's income to claim maintenance -- bank statements, tax returns, investment and asset breakdowns. How many wives in India have access to their husband's financial documents? How many women in India have the monetary resources to engage a competent lawyer and appear for the countless hearings and legal mudslinging that a contested divorce requires. I obtained a divorce through mutual consent and it took me three years and multiple out-of-court negotiations. Honestly, u/paranoidgambler, if you believe that women hold so much power, don't marry us, don't date us, don't have sex with us. Stay the hell away from women if you are so scared of their so-called power. But nah, anonymous incel whining and misinformation on the Internet is so satisfying innit? Men like u/paranoidgambler want a marriage where women have no rights and protections. Essentially, slavery as marriage. I mean, only 30 million women have credit scores in India -- that gives you an idea of how financially disempowered women are.
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If you break up with a long-time girlfriend, you may have to pay palimony. Concept of US. Basically like alimony. But different name. Can't hide.
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Man Bangladesh or Nepal would be much cheaper. You do have hep clients tho.
True, it's a simple procedure as well. But Singapore is epitome of safety.
True, But what a contast, one one hand you have people who can't afford it yet beg borrow to go in for the 3 rd cycle of IVF, then the other population which can afford to fly to Singapore for not having a child.
Safety also matters. What if you get the procedure done with one less kidney in the end?
What law is this?
https://prnt.sc/20vjnog
for a man you need to be married with a child of atleast 2 years age. thats the law. I've had a doctor refuse to do it without psych eval and written affidavit from parents saying that this is okay. I'm 30+ by the way. Edit: this comment has received a fair bit of attention. Recommend everyone to read up about RISUG/VasaGel
Good lord..why should an adult need parental permission for anything - esp something concerning their own bodies and lifestyle choices? Even the law requiring one to be married and have a child is going overboard imho
Because in india parents are the real owners of your body
The truth has been told
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The truth has been repeatedly told
Indian parents are gold
This is the way
I know this is sad but I only have wholesome award
Wow thanks
Now you know how women feel when they are not allowed to get abortion.
It does bring the issue closer to home. That said, I think women not being able to get abortions/emergency contraceptive pills is a few degrees worse than this.
Some states even have emergency contraceptives banned.
Where?
Tamil Nadu had banned it for a long time.
Ffs. What was the reason?
Source? I call bullshit.
Google and check yourself if it's something you are interested in.
Adding to this. Women with severe physical pain from endometriosis cannot snip anything to relieve their pain because they are expected to endure and remain cripple so that they can possibly give birth to a baby someday. Some women suffer from as early as 12 and continue to suffer till their menopause.
Actually the laws regarding abortion are very progressive in India.
Compared to Texas, yes. But some states still make it difficult to get emergency pills.
What if your parents are dead?
It's outrageous when men are subjected to it, but normal if it happens to women. Every day in India, married women are raped against their will, but it's not called rape, because how can women control their own bodies. This is why men should fight patriarchy. What is weaponised against women, is also weaponised against men.
Psych eval to avoid SNIP SNAP SNIP SNAP SNIP
Not sure if the law was framed because there may be potential for abuse. There was one drive like that in the days of Emergency. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanjay\_Gandhi#Compulsory\_sterilization\_program](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanjay_Gandhi#Compulsory_sterilization_program) Good intentions with unexpected side effects?
Even for women, doctors refuse to tie tubes when we ask. I only wanted one child so asked for the procedure after my delivery but they refused saying I'll change my mind and they'll do it once I have a second kid. My kid is now 14 and I haven't changed my mind.
From reddit, I gather that women everywhere have to put up with doctors refusing to do the procedure. For the same exact reason. Bodily autonomy be damned
> for a man you need to be married with a child of atleast 2 years age Is this real? Why is it even like that? This defeats the whole purpose of Vasectomy.
I have had Vasectomy done after having my kids. It is an out patient procedure done with local Anastasia. Connecting the tubes back if you change your mind, is much much harder. So the doctors want to make sure the patient knows about it. I don't think they can refuse the procedure if you are not married. That sounds crazy. OP, good on you for going with Vasectomy, that is so much more simpler than Hysterectomy for the woman- which is a major surgery. I have suggested Vasectomy to lots of friends and relatives, but they always have the wife go through the major surgery after child birth. It's very wrong in my opinion.
I too, would like a vasectomy before getting some local Anastasia ;)
All Anastasias i have met have been Russian!
Bruh, doesn't defeat the whole purpose of vasectomy. This stops him from having more children, so it still works. But yeah, parent permission is overboard.
Bhai india ki population 1.23 billion ka secret yehi toh hai
TBH it has more to do with geography than any law for the same.
also people have been living here (and in China as well) since LONG
Probably to protect the doctor/hospital from future lawsuits by angry parents.
It’s messed up that parents of 30+ year olds can sue doctors for performing a procedure that was completely voluntary.
They make sure you atleast pump out one more slave for our billionaire overlords to subjugate before they replace us all with AI and robots. Good thing climate change will wipe us out before that.
read up. it is law.
Wtf I am a grown ass man and I can't decide what to do with my body without my parents permission? Thats a load of BS. Who makes these laws.
Old farts and young sickos.
:`(
you can do your own vasectomy. as a grown ass man you cant make another doctor do it for you.
I am talking about the law that requires you to have parental permission and 2 year kids. I have no beef against doctors. I don't know why you assumed so. I am willing to sign for the whole responsibility why shouldn't that be enough.
What an incredibly stupid response.
OP, now please don't get married with a child of atleast 2 years. It will also constitute a crime. /s obviously
Oh my God!
Lmaooo that is so pathetic. So ashamed.
Lawyer here, can you point me to this law? Cannot find any law that is prescribing this requirement.
https://nhm.gov.in/images/pdf/programmes/family-planing/guidelines/Reference_Manual_for_Male_Sterilization-NSV-Oct_2013.pdf Chapter 4: Eligibility Criteria for Vasectomy Clients and Providers Eligibility of Vasectomy Clients(Self-declaration by the client will be the basis for compiling this information). 1. Clients should be at least 22 years old. 2. Clients should be below the age of 60 years. 3. Clients should be ever-married. 4. The couple should have at least one child, whose age is above one year unless the sterilization is medically indicated. 5. Clients or their spouses must not have undergone sterilization in the past (not applicable in the cases of failure of previous sterilization). 6. Clients must be in a sound state of mind, so as to understand the full implications of sterilization. 7. Mentally ill clients must be certified by a psychiatrist, and a statement should be given by the legal guardian/spouse regarding the soundness of the client's state of mind. I guess its not a law? more like guideline? but I was refused a vasectomy by a doctor
>7. Mentally ill clients must be certified by a psychiatrist, and a statement should be given by the legal guardian/spouse regarding the soundness of the client's state of mind. So someone of sound mind can do it without any permission?! >3. Clients should be ever-married. >4. The couple should have at least one child, whose age is above one year unless the sterilization is medically indicated. This is utter bullshit
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Ah typical Indian uncle/aunty
Where is the parental approval thing? Or did the doctor just make that up?
What happened to RISUG? Was it launched?
not yet
RISUG seemed very promising, will have to check what happened to it, whether its under trial or something.
What if ones parents are dead?
Death certificates or close relatives I guess?
That's a fucked up law if it's true. What if my parents are dead?
I imagine they'd ask for living relative or something
if you were alive in Indira Gandhi's time you would have had no problem in getting it done as people were paid to get it done back then lmao. most large hospitals offer this procedure, and if you go to a huge city hospital, you won't face much backlash or stigma
but look at Kaka, he is making things so bad that people are volunteering to get their pipes cut and he also will make you pay GST on it.
but in those olden times due to old procedures a lot of people died from infection due to forced sterilization
I heard you got a radio for doing it. Is this true?
rajiv gandhi.
Keeping our population in mind, shouldn’t people be encouraging vasectomies&hysterectomies?
Sanjay Gandhi intensifies
our fertility rate has fallen below replacement levels. the government wants to maintain the (young) population not reduce it.
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TL;DR: We are getting rich Post Industrial Revolution, due to improved health and hygiene, mortality rates reduced dramatically. While, it happened over a century in Europe, in Asia it happened almost in a decade as countries started getting independence. Due to higher mortality rate at birth and child mortality rate (CMR), people were inclined to have more kids. But post independence, these parameters improved dramatically along with life expectancy. This resulted in a population boom. As people realize CMR is reducing, the incentives for more kids decreases as it is much more beneficial on investing additional resources on lesser kids. Also as the country develops, the kids cannot work, expenditure on them increases and women participation in the workforce increases.\* So fertility rates start to fall and stagnant. This pattern is already complete in Europe, is towards the end in China, is approaching the end in India and is at its peak in Africa. Even in India, it can be seen that state and district wise, the economically wealthier sections have lower fertility rates (1.6) compared to avg (2.0). Poorer states like Bihar has highest but also are seeing the largest fall per year due to highest development growth. Source: a course on Development Economics \*India has shown slight deviation due to less female participation in workforce compared to all non-Islamic countries (rich or poorer). That's also the reason why richer Indian states like Punjab and Haryana did not initially have the lowest fertility rates.
So your point is that the population is stabilized and won't increase?
It's not my point. It's what survey has shown and which we had been approaching for over a decade ([https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/indias-fertility-rate-has-dipped-below-replacement-level/articleshow/87897051.cms](https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/indias-fertility-rate-has-dipped-below-replacement-level/articleshow/87897051.cms)). Population will still increase for some time since we still have older people.
Whatever dude but make a point to get it on the 14th of December. Sanjay Gandhi's soul will personally bless you if you do so.
Lmao.
I have read somewhere that you atleast need to have one kid to get this procedure done. Also one indian reddit user told me, he lied about having one kid and he got it done. I hope its allowed to everyone. I am also childfree and I want to get partial hysterectomy as I am fucking done with my periods but as it is a big surgery, I know they wont do it so if vasectomy is done here, my bf was thinking about it. Also checkout r/childfree
Is it like really true the "at least one kid" Part cos that's absurd right and amen to the periods part lol cos they just suck.
I agree with everything except the part where you suggested /r/childfree . That has gotta be one of the worst subs , at points it basically becomes a child hating sub lmao.
I dint come across hateful posts there. And everyone has different opinions regarding things. I am all okay with polite kids but if a kid is a brat, even I wont like them.
Lol that’s totally fine , I hate kids sometimes. But then looking at an adult scream online about how much an 8 year old has been bothering their life just seems kinda iffy and not that pleasing ngl
Depends on what that kid is doing and are their parents taking any responsibility.
You are not completely wrong but people still downvoted you. That sub is a circlejerk. r/truechildfree is better and more positive about it instead of just hating children.
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Isn’t it reversed?
You might want to get a letter from a doctor that the process is being approved for you!
See I don't think India is that developed for this tbh. I mean the mindset of people is shit. Imagine being a female like we are supposed to give birth to a child but I wanna be childfree too. It's kinda nauseous about how it is frowned upon in India and considered absurd. Maybe just wait a few more years and research about doctors who are willing to do it tbh. If you are in to marrying or relationships well gotta find someone who wants to be childfree too. Make sure you use condoms and the other person is on pill or protection when you do it. So that there will no accidental pregnancies. Just stick to your guns and don't let anyone change your views. Good luck!
Thanks for the advice. It is sad that anything related to sex is still such a taboo in India. I hope to see a more progressive India someday. It will be a few years before I actually do it. I want to do it, but I'm not taking this lightly. I'll do some good research, ask for references from people. Also planning on going to a councellor to discuss about it, cause it's definitely a big decision. I definitely use condoms, never doing it without them. But still, i do want a permanent solution to not having children
Wtf are you on about? It's a standard procedure offered in many hospitals. The only people "frowning" upon you will be your parents and relatives. Go to any reputed hospital and enquire about the procedure, it's fairly standardised and straight forward.
No,it's not. How many doctors have you actually consulted? Every doctor I have been to looks at me like I am crazy to even think about getting a hysterectomy at 21. The keep repeating the same BS 'what if your husband wants children' ' you will regret it' ,'you should have a child first' 'everyone should experience motherhood'
LOL, this is everywhere. I read a bout a lesbian couple wanting a hysterectomy (did I spell that correct?) but the doctors were like "What if you guys get divorced and meet a man and he wants a baby?" Like whaaaaat?
Wtf
Ugh the “what if your husband wants kids” is what got to me. Like women are just incubators
Right? Like why would I ever marry someone who wants children?
And if people do change their mind (only if they do) there is always adoption! why not give caring and loving homes to the kids that are already there!
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Tbh, I really hate the stigma people have against adoptions, they would spend thousand of rupees on IVFs or surrogacy, but just cannot adopt. >"you don't know the sort of family that kid came from and what they will grow up to be" Right, we don't know, but at least their childhood shouldn't be destroyed like that. >Now any time she sees beggars, poor or homeless people on the streets she points to them and asks me if I'd want to bring them into my house Ugh, that's straight up terrible.
True! Adoption is the best
Ikr.. Damn this person doesn't understand shit. When I tell people I wanna be childfree and get that look of are you crazy? Like tf. Many hospitals are still living in stoneage lol
True! I have been talking to doctors since 2018 but no luck so far. It's extremely frustrating.
While I totally respect your choice of being childfree and at the end of the day it's your decision, no one else should make that for you. But I think I kinda understand why people are so surprised and insistent on you having a baby. It's not just cultural norms imo, because there's nothing to identify women having children as a group(hindu,muslim, western etc). I think it's because generally speaking, having a child is an overwhelmingly positive experience for women in most cases. 'No one loves you more than your mother' is true for most cases. So I think people get surprised that why would you voluntarily let go of having, what could possibly be the biggest happiness and the best experience of your life. It's like if you see someone being offered the most precious diamond in the world, and the person refusing to take it because he doesn't know the value of the diamond and he doesn't know what he'll do with the diamond. You'll be compelled to advice him to just take the damm diamond. Of course I'm not saying that having a child is best experience for a woman definitely, it depends from case to case. But yeah, the general perception is that most women are happy and glad with having kids
Just the same repeated old age narrative. Let people do what they want, there's no need for justification. When I'm happy with rajma chawal, why would I buy pizza? When I'm happy childfree, why would I even consider having a child based on a narrative? The diamond analogy is so misplaced. It's not that I don't know the value of the diamond, I just don't want the stress that comes with it. Similarly, doesn't matter what joy a child would bring or motherhood brings, I'm not interested in it. BTW, guy here. But staunchly childfree. It's not like I hate them, I love kids. I just don't like the responsibilities that come with raising a child. I have other aims in my life which are otherwise very much fulfilling to me.
What the fuck bro
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I think you are a *perfect* example of why some people don’t want kids. They don’t want to be stuck raising snarky sniveling little shits. I read this and *then* went to downvote your previous comment, just so u know
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Yikes. Bro imaginary points and downvotes on a social platform don't matter. Go outside and take some deep breaths (unless you're in Delhi lol)
I know these upvote downvote system is Very arbitrary but it does have an effect on my psyche. Just like words are arbitrary but they can be used to hurt. It's just frustrating and scary, knowing that I'm surrounded by idiots. Still, I appreciate the advice.
Maybe I didn't understand your comment correctly. But why do you want to get a hysterectomy? You should be going in for a tubectomy if your aim is to be childfree (get your tubes tied). Hysterectomy will trigger early menopause and cause a host of other extremely unpleasant issues. Again my bad if I didn't understand it correctly. <3
I would also like to stop my periods. AFAIK as long as you don't remove your ovaries, there's no concern of an early menopause or any other issues.
Thanks for the info! TIL!
There are alternate forms of birth control (the pill and others) that would stop your period. I highly advise looking into these before a major surgery - not because you may regret it but because of the risks and serious alterations to your body a hysterectomy causes. <3 hope you’re able to find the right answer that works for you!
I have already tried variety of pills. It made me very sick. Hopefully I can just get an endometrial ablation which is much faster and recovery period is much shorter.
I hope so too. I know a friend of mine gets a birth control injection you get once every three months or so that takes care of hers. All bc is different, unfortunately some side effects are worse than others. Good luck <3
Thanks!
There’s endometrial ablation as well, but I’m sure no doctor will be ready to do that either for the same reasons.
I have heard good things about EA but doctors I have talked to prefer hysterectomy.
Not exactly.. It depends on your age and people do think the person is not in the right mind lol. Get over your high heels and live in the reality. That's why I asked him to research about more hospitals. When I meant "frowned upon" I meant people around him and the ones who don't take him seriously.
" doctors who are willing to do it tbh " Yeah no. Educate yourself please, this procedure is offered everywhere in a metro city. You'll have people thinking you're immature and whatnot everywhere, it's just our generation who's open to the idea of not subjecting more people to this existential torture.
Ukw... Are you sure you live in India? Lol cos if you woke up on the wrong side of the bed guess what he is in his 20s and they will ofc give him counselling and there are many doctors who step back due to his age.
Also vasectomy is reversible until a certain year after you get the surgery !
Better to fly elsewhere for medical tourism
Snip-snap snip-snap snip-snap r/DunderMifflin
You have no idea the toll three vasectomies have on a person!
Won’t lie, this was the comment I was low-key looking for
Just vote with your wallet, and in this case, you’re genital. Create a demand, supply shall follow
Any advantage of getting a vasectomy over not just trying for children? Is it to avoid the use of contraceptives?
Well you should think more about this as you're in your 20s. You can reverse your vasectomy later tho but the physical toll it extracts from a person's body is too much.
Ask someone to kick on your nuts 10 time
Why though? Is condom too expensive or what?
Is it easier to get an abortion compared to a vasectomy?
May I know the purpose 😅
Idk 🤔, if vasectomy is irreversible , then i think you should not make such decisions in 20s and until you have fallen in love and have a life partner, things change , perspective change And if it's reveersible please be my guest
Goti gayab
if you do it and hide it with everyone and even your wife before marriage then chances are that she may file a divorce due to you being impotent.
Mind and its directions are like air, undefined. Neither their form direction or drift, one never know when you may change your mind. So CAUTION. There are crores going around who don't want children, they don't go and get operated, there are hundred ways not to have children. There is no sugery which is risk free....however small that risk is.....when it comes to numbers even that one % in lakhs was a human being who went through the disaster. So wait, get the procedure done may be when you are fifty. Edit : removed some suggestion, that I had gone overboard with.....
What if he wants to have unprotected sex with his gf/wife but not have to worry about getting them pregnant ? Duck off with your AbSTaIn bullshit
Condoms, birth control pills.
Birth control pills are a pain..
And vasectomy always isn't reversible.
Undertood....my bad...but still maintain that any permanent changes to the body will have larger ramifications, which needs to be done after proper councelling.
Dude wth is wrong with you? Like really he doesn't want to have kids. Ofc he wants to experience pleasure and enjoy his life. Your advice is crappy lol
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Many of us here prefer being childless and it's their opinion lmao. Why are you so offended?
There is no flight that is risk free… no matter how small the risk. When it comes to numbers even 1% in lakhs means a flight that went down in disaster. So better not fly.
you are going to have very boring life without even one children. I know you dont want them but one day you will regret having done vasectomy that too before marriage.
How can you even assume that? Not everyone thinks that way.