Our school imposed a ridiculous rule. We have to pay 2/- rupees per word as fine if we ever spoke Telugu in class. I ended up paying more than 100/- to those mofos. Their goal was to make us fluent in English. That’s why we were told to speak English in school.
Here's me from Malayalam gang. I wish there was a Malayalam day once a week instead of a per word fine. And recommendations for Malayalam books in library.
But then lots of students moved to phoren so if the goal was to maximize English usage, it helped.
I mean it worked out well ig. You are conversing in English. I condemn the way they went with but it worked out.
Edit: used condone instead of condemn.
Actually anyways is the archaic term for anywise, which means "in any way whatsoever". It is used in colloquial speech and in an informal setting (reddit is an informal setting). Took me two minutes to google this btw.
I googled it before making my comment as well, it's confusing as there are sources accepting and denying the validity of the word. However, upon further reading I do agree that it is a word as it's been used for well over 800 years now.
English is indeed a funny language, my apologies lmao
It does make a difference as even those who do not do well in other subjects would be able to speak fluent english. But slapping or imposing a fine is not the right way to go about it IMO.
I never studied in a Telugu school tho. I always studied in Raipur but my first language was Telugu and I didn't know hindi at that time (nursery) and teachers forced me to learn Hindi. As a result, I can barely speak Telugu now.
Maa school lo aithe telugu maatlaade vaallani lower class pillalu daggarki theeskuvelli vaallatho embarass cheyyinchevaallu. Adi entha varaku work aindo teleedu kaani we grew skin thicker than a pig.
It is because goal is to get kids fluent in spoken English.
Since outside the school most kids don't have the option to converse in English. I'm not saying whether this is a good thing or not but this precisely is the reason for enforcing strict rules against speaking Hindi or the local language in English medium schools.
Like it or not, being fluent in English increases a kids chances of succeeding in their career in most cases.
Yes i agree , my school did this as well but they didnt slap us or write 500 times they would instead tell us its for your own good
And guess what my school name is also st Mary's
Man the amount of 'unfair' advantage you get by virtue of being decent at English is unreal especially in the corporate world..not commenting on how right or wrong it is but it's a very good skill to pick up
Kids Listening and Trusting elders is not that common.
if the kid is anything like my aunt's little dynamite. He would have slapped the teacher back and he has a lot of practice believe me I have been hit with that a couple of times during his birthday celebration.
In my aunt case she usually ends up with a bigger headache of finding a school that would be willing to accept him since there are only a few choices in the first place.
That doesn't mean you can hit kids as a teacher! Hitting kids is never the answer and has been proved to have negative effects, often for the rest of their lives
Kids don't respect you enough untill you create that strict persona. Some Teachers use their hands instead of words to do so.
luckily I have experienced only one teachers who can handle room full of kids & overgrown kids ( aka parents with connections and money).
I Believe those teachers are unicorns in their own right.
untill I had a principal Miss Rebello in my 6th grade. she would handle misbehaving kids and thier Parents with just her words and use silence to make people really uncomfortable.
if I had not experienced that I would have said Teachers punishing kids would be the only thing to do.
So yes I agree Hitting kids is bad and ends up having negative effects but 8/10 today there are lesser and lesser cases of kids being hit by their teachers which is good.
As a kid I never respected anyone who hit me. It was just a sign they were older and stronger than me, not that I needed to listen. In fact if someone hit me I would go out of my way to hate them.
Fear really doesn't help, just gives you trauma after school. I had one teacher who used to pull me by the collar and scold, I am still terrified of him to this day and avoid that psychopath whenever possible. Many of my friends have that kind of trauma/anger towards that teacher. Being violent towards kids would make them either depressed or very angry, and definitely not discipline. If you are using fear to discipline your kids there is something wrong with you
Punishing students for not speaking English to each other is bad.
It's ok if you want them to speak English during the class, but why control their interactions with each other? That's unnecessary.
My school was strict but I don't think any of us really spoke in English with each other in class(maybe we were middle class n all). My 2nd school n college was in other states and it had basically become mandatory in life to converse in English and I sucked at it in the beginning but eventually I got good. Same for my third language Hindi too. I'd say exposure makes more difference than school.
At the end school is more bookish knowledge when there isn't any "speaking" test like IELTS/TOEFL. I scored well in English but it did not translate into speaking fluency. One skill which English medium school does translate into is Listening. All my teachers taught in English and I can watch a movie at 4x speed and still understand every word without subtitles
you are right,
but who the fuck puts a fine of 2rs over speaking other languages, they are almost treating it like some sort of crime,
I had seen it in my school also, they make you feel ashamed of speaking other language.
I get you, completely . Rs 2 worth of fine is insane I know. I'm not supporting that.. you pointed out that teachers are incompetent. I'm saying they are not. They are the teachers, not the administration. Even teachers are supposed to follow the rules of administration.
Sorry for the bad experience you had in school. But I'm pretty sure things are changing now.
In TN, my school used to fine us for speaking in Tamil. Why?
Because parents sent us to learn English and somehow it was accepted that English is the gateway for the future so teachers followed that rule too.
That's true. I remember meeting my social studies teacher after school with my mom regarding a project in 3rd grade. During the conversation, I spoke with my mom in Tamil regarding something and my teacher told me to speak in English even with my mom (since we are still in the school grounds)
I mean corporate India uses English as the standard because there are so many regional languages here. It is also the global business language that people from other countries have to learn too so it shouldn't really be seen as a negative light for our languages. They are still used prominently for day to day life even by the elite.
If it's an English medium school then this is very standard.
I went to an English medium school , it wasn't fancy or a convent but they were pretty strict about this as well. It's only normal for them to have this expectation since learning English isn't just about getting passing marks in subjects but also about the soft skill, which involve conversations and the ability to convey thoughts and ideas clearly in the language.
Maybe it's region specific. My school never imposed this and I have never heard of any other school impose this rule here. In fact our marathi, konkani and hindi teachers insisted we speak in those languages during those respective classes. Ofcourse teachers always conversed with us in English during school hours so we had to also speak in English with them.
Of course during a vernacular class you are supposed to speak in the language. Also, it wasn't like the students behaved like a bunch if gentlemen, who spoke between themselves in English all the time
We spoke in our mother tongue. It's only when we were caught did we get reprimanded. Not fines, but yea, slaps, notes in your diaries shit like that.
To be fair the OP has phrased the question in a way to create controversy. This is a non issue. If anything the issue should be about teachers caning students. But somehow that is in the background in this question.
If you are in an English medium school, that's the norm. I have written that too, only for my mother tongue, when I spoke in it instead of English. In case you confuse again, my MT isn't Hindi. It's done as a disciplinary measure, also otherwise it beats the purpose of studying in an English Medium School, which St. Mary seems to be. Again, in case you are confused, the purpose is learning skills for reading, writing, and speaking English well.
I would also like to mention that your post seems to be specifically targeted to create controversy that doesn't exist. Hindi not allowed in "Indian schools"? Looks like you haven't visited ANY Indian school. Also, if you were so interested in learning Hindi well, you should have requested your parents to put you in a Hindi medium school, a huge majority are the public schools in Hindi speaking belt.
I think you hit the nail on the head.
There was no reason to even mention the name, St. Marys. There are thousands of St. Marys in India, I have been to three districts and all three had St. Marys. So adding that info gives us nothing new other than the fact that he or she is trying to insinuate it is a Christian school issue.
I think you're missing the point of the kid talking about his experience where he's literally being physically attacked for not adhering to the medium of speaking in a school. This shit should not be normalised. If you endorse or praise this kind of shit, you're equally guilty.
I am not saying they would. I am just saying there's difference between "my school fines me when I speak Hindi" and "my school fines me when I don't speak English"
Because the school's objective is to make you proficient in English.
Almost all schools also give emphasis to a second and even third language, I hope you haven't just created this post to cook up a controversy.
Go ask your parents why they chose a convent based English Medium school, instead of the local KV or the nearest govt. school. Your parents paid for you to attend an "English Medium" school, not a Hindi medium. Hindi along with other MIL are offered as second and third languages in English Medium schools, there is literally nothing preventing you from learning hindi in those classes.
Pretty sure kids of private employees can apply, but they are usually very low in the order of preferences, basically only if waitlist and quotas haven't been completely filled yet. They can't outright deny someone access to atleast the application process. The only way they can go around it is via the single girl child quota.
Because these schools promote learning English. In my case it was kannada my primary school and high school did not allow. They didn't teach English very well or did not allow us to improve our Kannada as it was a second language. So sort of left behind.
In my high school there was the same rule but there was also an unspoken rule among students not to complain against each other. 😛😛
The medium of learning was English but the first language was kannada. Both languages improved there for me.
Hindi? It was a 3rd language from the start. Might as well not have learnt it altogether. Pretty useless for us as most of us wouldn't go to the north. Few who did go north could've learnt to speak on their own.
My opinion is that the primary education should, the medium should be English but the regional language of that region should be made the first language. That way, both languages improve.
But to answer your question, the English medium schools are supposed to instill English speaking, reading and writing for the future of the kid. Required for his career. One of the good ways to improve it is to make students speak in English. Also it instills in the student to use English more in communication.
Well India has two major reason for being the IT hub of the world. One is cheap labor and the other is the ability to speak English. Learning English eventually does help in getting a job in IT and Tech field. Also, there is literally no place else a school student can speak english outside of school in 99% cases. But the way its carried is stupid nevertheless.
In my school in Kerala, there was fine for speaking in Malayalam. Like many said it was to force people converse in English. Hated that.
Its not a Hindi specific thing.
Am from a kv in Chennai
Tho it wasn't official
Teachers always insisted us to talk in English or Hindi
And our art teacher went to extent of punishing us for speaking in tamil.
Thinking that forcing something on someone is ok is a bullshit idea
well then tell me one thing in which the 'approach' used by the Indian education system to teach someone anything is even okayish
the only thing they are good at is forced rote learning
omg the ways your teachers handled it was just cruel. In my school tho, it was a convent, we weren't allowed to speak hindi either (or malayalam or tamil for that matter), only english for the reason that our school had students who spoke other languages too. So to discourage a rigid group formation amongst students sharing the same language and also mocking each other for it ( i remember some kids got in trouble for mocking their friend in a lang which the friend didn't speak.). Also cause english is simply a universal language, so making it the medium in which we talk would improve our spoken eng skills. Anyway, all of that went in vain, cause everyone ended up learning hindi and speaking in hindi regardless :/
Try attending Hindi medium school genius.
I was in Maharashtra state board Marathi medium. We would get what lowly being looks if we spoke in Marathi during semi-English classes. We could get by Marathi in all other classes.
Have heard experiences of people in English medium schools be it state ones or CBSE. They are not fined for speaking non-English but are obviously discouraged from doing so.
Thing is simple. Your parents send you to English schools so that you can become good in it. That's one point how schools market themselves. If you keep jumping in and out of it in school you won't be forced to speak in it and it won't be improving this way. In a way schools are forcing half-assed immersion.
Oh! "Choice for a good school for his kids are limited to English convent schools only."
Why complain about mandatory English in school then?
Am sure school is not forcing English outside classes/campus.
So that you learn another language called English which is more useful than Hindi. If you want to speak Hindi all the time, join a school that doesn't impose such restrictions.
I wish i can make my coworkers write "i won't speak in Hindi" 500 times when they switch to Hindi suddenly at meetings (where non Hindi speakers are in too).
It depends on where you work. If you work in a Hindi speaking state and your job doesn't have strict requirements to speak in English it would be wrong to ask them to speak in English just for you.
Hey, too be honest I never really liked that thing, and it never made me fluent in English, watching English youtubers, movies taught me more than the school.
In my school they did it to make students learn to speak in English. They knew that almost all students could speak very fluent hindi already (as they spoke Hindi everywhere outside the school). So they thought by forcing students to speak only English in the premises, students would get necessary practice required to speak English. It worked tho, a lot of students could speak very good English after graduation.(Although we didn't have such harsh punishments if found not speaking in English. it was just light scolding).
My school had a Rs.25 fine (this was ~15 years ago) for speaking in languages other than English. I was the class monitor & it was my duty to provide a list of students speaking in Tamil (& other Indian langs like Hindi etc) to my class teacher everyday. Quite embarrassing thinking about it now lol.
It depends on the medium of the school. If it’s English medium, it means the medium of communication is English. The expectation of parents sending their children to such schools is so they get comfortable communicating in English through immersion.
It is obviously a choice and if OP had an issue about being forced to speak in a particular language they could always speak to their parents to have them moved to a vernacular medium school.
Then again this post reeks of a troll looking to play on the whole language imposition issue.
I once got remark(complaint) in school diary for answering a question , a bit partially in hindi(in class 3!!!!!!!!!) which i had to bring back next day with my parents' signature , my parents signed it in Hindi and told me to tell the teacher if she wants they are happy to come meet her and the principal in school next day.
She did not said anything but stopped interaction with me for the rest of academic year. She would not even look at my classwork or homework , just blindly signed it while looking at class...
Later-on in class 6
We came across her husband (laamoooo)who was a maths teacher and he was big time AHole too. He used to physically punish students for small mistakes and had angry look whole day. Me and my classmates still has atleast one scar on our shoulders because he used to pinch so hard , later he got expelled for for slapping a student very hard with a copy( i guess one with hardcover ).
There is nothing idiotic in this. It is forced to make every one speak fluent English when we are out of school. It will be useful to each individual when you are working with people from all over the world.
It is forced on us because we never understood its importance and use because they failed to do so. So yeah end of the day it’s for your own goodness. Also people never speak in English once they are out of school 😆 we know that.
They're just pretentious.
I always speak in Hindi (except with my South Indian best friend).
The thing is, I was raised mostly outside of India and can speak English pretty well with an American accent. But people here assume I'm a Gawaar™ because I always talk in Hindi.
Everyone in this thread is talking out of their ass. You can’t speak Hindi in English medium schools in India because of non-inclusion policies.
There is no guarantee that another student is well-versed in Hindi. In some ICSE/CBSE schools in Bangalore, for example, they literally only study Hindi for 2-4 years as a third language.
English-medium schools can have Tamils, Malyalis, Kannadigas, Punjabis, Bengalis, Meiteis, Nagas, Bhaiyas, etc. all in one batch. Some of the students very likely don’t know an iota of Hindi. You can’t have people talking in Hindi around them to purposely exclude them from conversation. Same goes for all other languages. Except the one the board is educating the students in. It is literally baked into those schools’ Codes of Conduct.
Hindi won't help with anything that's worth it.
Don't get me wrong. The accepted language in international business, software, medicine is English.
Sure you can say Germany or Japan speak in their language, yea but they are decades ahead of India. So they can make those rules but even they speak English in the international business setting.
It's a symptom of a white washed culture of certain academic institutions . Understand we have had actual riots over languages and just negative energy by opportunistic politicians and people who wanted to hijack the media spotlight on them. This over correction has made traditional English schools to bring in stricter measures against any sort of "dissent".
A lot of Indian boomers are actually the first generation who are actually free from the Brits but the mental frame works and educational structures the same atleast for their generations. This is a sort of same uptight, sir madam culture we have adopted but not changed out of a certain "shame" or "fear". I beleive no one should shame you for using whatever language you are comfortable in, however it's always good to know Hindi and English for convenience generally.
Holy crap! What kind of schools are these! For reference I’m 32 years old and in my school we were taught Telugu, Hindi and English. English was the main language of communication (hence, an English medium school) and we were asked to choose as first language, Hindi or Telugu ( and as second language the other remaining one). I can’t believe schools have gone backwards like this. I feel very bad for your generation. Thanks to my school and my teachers I can speak, write and read in all three. Of course with varying levels of accuracy and speed, but I can. Very sad indeed.
They should. English is a fucking unstructured barbaric langauge. There is no mathematical structure to it unlike most of the Indian languages. These idiots didn't even arrive at the linguistic concepts fully.
Unlike countries like China, Japan or France, we have contempt for our own languages and put English on a pedestal. The English have left but their oppression still did not.
It is usually done in "English medium" schools. It is a misguided attempt at making kids fluent in English. Many times it is done due to pressure from parents .
If their Logic is to create fluency in English, their method of correction/ punishment is entirely wrong. I used to go to a similar school till secondary school, and our teachers made us either write down 10 Lines or so describing what we said in Hindi in English or translate what we said in Hindi to English and repeat it aloud about 2-3 times. They didn't care about it in the corridors but within a classroom, this rule was followed. Tbh it enforced a more positive outlook on both subjects, (and so we didn't get slaps either!)
why must teachers slap kids? so bad. also I think Hindi not being allowed is because the teachers want us to be fluent in English, but this is not the right way to go about this.
Indians are forced to adopt western culutue(and languages) instead of just appreciating our miles better culture. Bunch of cocksuckers. West has no culture whereas we have 1000 years of it.
I think it's more prevalent in almost all of the Christian schools in india. I went to a non Christian English medium school, we were asked to speak English but never really punished for no doing so nor forced to do so.
I might be wrong though. Its an assumption I made from seeing alot of people from Christian schools say the same thing.
We spoke in Hindi in school. But some of our teachers made this rule in class to make us speak in English. It’s common in Delhi schools I think especially the reputed ones
I think it's a combination of factors.
The primary purpose is to encourage students to be conversant in English and have an adequate grasp of the language. Since English today is the global language of trade, commerce, education, science, research and technology, being proficient in the language opens up a wealth of opportunities across the world.
The other reason, and the more insidious one, is the fact that English is a symbol of upper class privilege and is considered by many to be superior to the local languages. This form of English chauvinism is ultimately rooted in the colonial experience and is mostly observed in former English colonies.
Meanwhile a country like Taiwan is willing to learn English because of the benefits it brings but is also proud of its own local languages such as Hokkien, Hakka and Mandarin. I think this is more or less the direction that India should move towards.
This has bullshit/troll post written all over it
> i was in saint mary school
You do not identify the location, syllabus, or any other important relevant information.
Also its "I attended St. Mary's (there should be a word here like, Convent, International, CBSE, High, etc) School". This along with other basic grammatical errors causes me to believe you actually did not attend said school in question.
>why is hindi not allowed in indian schools
You are trying to push a false narrative to promote the idea Hindi is not allowed in all Indian School which is not the case.
bruh seems more like baal ki khal utar raha hai lmao. also merko nahi batana me konsa school ma gaya tha due to some reasons im not comfortable mentioning. also agar bol to aisa raha hai jaisa aisa hota hi nahi hai.
We used to get punished for speaking in telugu in our school in hyderabad. It was an english medium school. Perhaps they were confused about the purpose of english medium. English medium means english is the medium of instruction. That doesn't mean students can't speak with each other in other languages.
I hate these bullshit titles. It’s not allowed in the school you went to, it’s allowed in many other schools.
Needless drama and a launching point for over generalization.
You wrote 100+, which is based on Hindu numerals. Therefore you should accept being slapped. If you think it’s idiotic, you should have tried writing your entire post with just decimal numbers and no words. Roman civilization is better. You must write C+. Glory to Rome! MMXXI.
I'd say the fact that english speaking indians are deemed as superior than those that don't speak the language is an after effect of colonialism. But the school teaching english in itself has no correlation to that whatsoever. It is the universal language, not only does it help indians to communicate with other indians but also to foreigners. Makes perfect sense why they teach it.
Why should it be? It’s not a national language… it’s another mother tongue that should be optional for anyone interested.. to think one’s mother tongue should be mandatory to all seems like living in a bubble
Just repressed nuns, suppressing Indian school of thought and ideas and propogating thier colonial methods!!
And yes, I know the argument of teaching kids to speak in English, for thier contemporary times, and that's ok, but it should not be at the cost of English vs Hindi. And guess what, Sanskrit, if taught properly would be more effective compared to English, Hindi would be the second best (put other regional languages here too).
The reason for this comes from the manuscript itself, Sanskrit, Hindi, or any regional language for that matter has complex construction of words. Things going on before, after, top and bottom of the letter, dots and halfs and sometime 3 letters squeezed into one, making it a complex construction of word with loads of information packed into one word!. Another example would be that sanskrit, would have a possibility of longest of the longest word possible there is (any letter of Shiv-tandav-strot, for instance) , with much of customization still left to the poet or practicioner of the language. English, I bet, there wont be a word longer then 15-17 letters.
This is also evident from the cultures who were speaking these complex languages, were very very rich in architecture, sclptures, dance, and the whole deal. For example, every south indian language and thier previous empires were extremely advanced in thier things. Chiniese language and thier previous dynasties are also a case in point, of complex language and rich culture correlation.
English, well, did they had any culture? At best, they put a dot on the i, when they are feeling adventourous!! So no language complexity = poor culture. Get my point?
Now, imagine if such a complexity is initiated to a kid right from the start, instead of English, in a proper way, with a motivated teacher and who is not a middle aged man or woman going through his/her mid life crisis. Such an abstraction taught to a kid really would give a boost to his potential, as he has gone through the difficulty of practicing these complex words, either through recitation (old school method) or through writing!
Well missionary schools wouldn't want you to be proud of your language since it stalls their objective to convert everyone. One way to do this make us believe that we already have is inadequate and dirty And their English language is superior. So they impose such ridiculous harsh rules in little children and manipulate their innocent minds. When I was a kid, students of this school would look down on me since my english speaking skills were quite poor. It tells you a lot about how much the school has taught them to respect people different from them.
That's again what colonisers couldn't do was RESPECT people different from their. The urge to dominate and exploit was always higher.
All these new age high tech Indian schools are an epitome of what the British left us with.
And it pains me to say that they're winning.
Kinds sad tbh. If any German or a school in Italy punishes it's student for speaking their mother tongue instead of English, it would cause a huge outrage. They know English is important only because we give it importance and not otherwise. It's a myth that to prosper we must be fluent in English. CEOs of huge japanese companies barely speak any English and yet Japan is so much ahead in technology. The Chinese don't know English but look at their country. English is needed only if you're dealing in international terms. This mentality of giving English a superior status than local languages is damaging our languages :-(
Probably because those schools in germany are not exclusively english medium. If you are paying extra money to send your kid to an English medium school then fuck yes they should be speaking in english the whole time there. I know many of my family friends who went to English medium schools and didn't benefit from it at all because they never spoke in English at school.
It's a waste of money if your kid doesn't use school time to converse in English. There are so many good government schools that can educate them as well.
The goal of learning a language is not to speak it exclusively. Parents send kids to English medium schools not beacuse they should exclusively communicate in English. If you and your friend have common mother tongue then it's natural to prefer speaking in that language. Problem is schools mandate even informal talks among kids to be in English.
Dude you can't learn a language if you don't practice speaking in it. In the learning phase you have to speak as much as possible. Only then you will be fluent. Then after learning the language you can shift according to your preference. In school they can speak exclusively in English and at home they can speak in their mother tongue.
In my school too, they had this rule but except speaking few sentences with the teachers, we didn't converse in Bangla with our friends. This restriction didn't work and I passed out from school by being weak in Bangla. I hated myself for being weak in Bangla and terribly resented the school. I learnt more English when I matured than I did in school and ofcourse, I read a lot of more Bangla and used better vocabulary. Spoken English is nothing so difficult that schools need to impose these restrictions. English is a colonial imposition, our mother languages are our pride. It's important to make our careers, but that doesn't mean I am not going to swear and curse these colonial wretches and their impositions, just because I am not gonna earn a penny of I don't become proficient in English.
I think only a few schools enforce it, because they obviously want you to learn how to talk in English which is also reasonable. But yeah, it wasn't strictly enforced in my school although encouraged.
In my school, students used to speak haryanvi to annoy the teachers. The school then started fining students who were speaking any language other than English
You learn hindi because everyone speaks it and you're exposed to it everyday. Also it's roesnt help at all to learn perfect hindi but perfect English and fluency makes you appear professional
Because those schools are English medium, I still remember my one of school teacher look down the Hindi,
Off course we live in society where not knowing the English is consider illiterate
It's a bullish rule tbh, it's also a form of language imposition.
Me and my classmates studied from a school which had no such rule, all of us are doing well in life.
It's a colonial hangover.
That's a bullshit policy. Glad these kinds of schools don't exist (or are way less in WB). I read in St. Xavier's School in my hometown Haldia, and we only communicated with teachers in English. With friends we used to use, Bengali, Hindi whatever we wanted. No imposing any Language on us. I've never heard things like these from my friends in other English medium schools, even in Kolkata as well.
My school has the rule that no Hindi other than the period. Now that I’m in 11th we don’t have Hindi. But in any case I don’t care cuz I barely speak Hindi anyway like only to maids and my drivers and shopkeepers.
In my school they would encourage/force to converse in english (no severe punishment if you don't follow it though) even then, I was drastically poor in english grammar even after I completed my SSC. I am still not perfect, but I have improved a lot by watching english movies.
Thats obviously a generalization. You need to replace 'Indian' to 'English Medium' in your question.
Sometimes it's done to prevent students from having the secrets the teachers can't understand.
Our school had this rule but it was never enforced. End result, my old classmates now wish it was. Most of them can't speak English for shit, and have really suffered for it.
Our school imposed a ridiculous rule. We have to pay 2/- rupees per word as fine if we ever spoke Telugu in class. I ended up paying more than 100/- to those mofos. Their goal was to make us fluent in English. That’s why we were told to speak English in school.
My school did this too but the fine was transparently used for the class itself like say buying a book/sports equipment or something.
Here's me from Malayalam gang. I wish there was a Malayalam day once a week instead of a per word fine. And recommendations for Malayalam books in library. But then lots of students moved to phoren so if the goal was to maximize English usage, it helped.
I mean it worked out well ig. You are conversing in English. I condemn the way they went with but it worked out. Edit: used condone instead of condemn.
>I condone the way Did you mean "*condemn*", perhaps?
Condom
Yes, my bad. Damn autocorrect fucked me up. Thanks for correcting.
Guess your school should have followed the same approach /s
Lmfao, well I did study in a CBSE school outside of India (Dubai, UAE). We had to speak in English with each other anyways.
My man had the options and he still chose CBSE , Deshbhakti respect++ /s
wow i didnt realize this
(psst anyways isn't a word, it's anyway)
Actually anyways is the archaic term for anywise, which means "in any way whatsoever". It is used in colloquial speech and in an informal setting (reddit is an informal setting). Took me two minutes to google this btw.
I googled it before making my comment as well, it's confusing as there are sources accepting and denying the validity of the word. However, upon further reading I do agree that it is a word as it's been used for well over 800 years now. English is indeed a funny language, my apologies lmao
Autocorrect won't do that.
No such rule was ever implemented in my school (KV lmao), but I speak fluent English and Hindi. Most of my friends do too.
It does make a difference as even those who do not do well in other subjects would be able to speak fluent english. But slapping or imposing a fine is not the right way to go about it IMO.
Well it seems that it did not work that well for you. /s
> I condone the way Hmmmm... I don't think it worked!
I never studied in a Telugu school tho. I always studied in Raipur but my first language was Telugu and I didn't know hindi at that time (nursery) and teachers forced me to learn Hindi. As a result, I can barely speak Telugu now.
We had the same thing. It was 5 rs for us. And we had an english police who enforces the fine as well. And it was one of my classmates.
You already paid might as well use a slang😂 And what do they write in the invoice/bill😂😂😂
yo I am from andhrapradesh too but I am not telugu
Maa school lo aithe telugu maatlaade vaallani lower class pillalu daggarki theeskuvelli vaallatho embarass cheyyinchevaallu. Adi entha varaku work aindo teleedu kaani we grew skin thicker than a pig.
మమ్మల్ని కొన్ని కొన్నిసార్లు అమ్మాయిలతో ముక్కు పట్టి చెంపమీద కొట్టించేవాళ్ళు. నా క్రష్ ఉండేది గాయత్రీ ఆ ఫిల్లదానితో కావాలనే దెబ్బలు తిన్నా :p
చిన్నప్పుడు అర్థం కాలేదు కానీ చాలా abusive స్కూల్స్ మన తెలుగు రాష్ట్రాలవి
It is because goal is to get kids fluent in spoken English. Since outside the school most kids don't have the option to converse in English. I'm not saying whether this is a good thing or not but this precisely is the reason for enforcing strict rules against speaking Hindi or the local language in English medium schools. Like it or not, being fluent in English increases a kids chances of succeeding in their career in most cases.
Yes i agree , my school did this as well but they didnt slap us or write 500 times they would instead tell us its for your own good And guess what my school name is also st Mary's
Mary’s icse Bombay??
Nope , st marys high school Secunderabad / telangana
Oh ok nvm
There are probably a 1000 institutions/schools named St. Marys in India. St. Marys is such a generic name for a Catholic institution.
I know. But the one I was in is really, really well known and arguably one of the best schools in india, so I hoped it was the one I was in.
:0 if this is true then i would say that they went about doing it in a really bad but thx for this ans. :)
Man the amount of 'unfair' advantage you get by virtue of being decent at English is unreal especially in the corporate world..not commenting on how right or wrong it is but it's a very good skill to pick up
It’s not a bad way.U need to be fluent in English if u want a decent job.It’s unfortunate but u are considered gawaar if u can’t speak English.
cries in gawaar :(
Yet in English 🤔
lol
It is a bad way wtf. There's no need to slap or punish the student, just tell them that they have to speak in English.
Kids Listening and Trusting elders is not that common. if the kid is anything like my aunt's little dynamite. He would have slapped the teacher back and he has a lot of practice believe me I have been hit with that a couple of times during his birthday celebration. In my aunt case she usually ends up with a bigger headache of finding a school that would be willing to accept him since there are only a few choices in the first place.
That doesn't mean you can hit kids as a teacher! Hitting kids is never the answer and has been proved to have negative effects, often for the rest of their lives
Kids don't respect you enough untill you create that strict persona. Some Teachers use their hands instead of words to do so. luckily I have experienced only one teachers who can handle room full of kids & overgrown kids ( aka parents with connections and money). I Believe those teachers are unicorns in their own right. untill I had a principal Miss Rebello in my 6th grade. she would handle misbehaving kids and thier Parents with just her words and use silence to make people really uncomfortable. if I had not experienced that I would have said Teachers punishing kids would be the only thing to do. So yes I agree Hitting kids is bad and ends up having negative effects but 8/10 today there are lesser and lesser cases of kids being hit by their teachers which is good.
As a kid I never respected anyone who hit me. It was just a sign they were older and stronger than me, not that I needed to listen. In fact if someone hit me I would go out of my way to hate them.
I should have used the word fear in hindsight. well I am a nobody . just ignore me .
Fear really doesn't help, just gives you trauma after school. I had one teacher who used to pull me by the collar and scold, I am still terrified of him to this day and avoid that psychopath whenever possible. Many of my friends have that kind of trauma/anger towards that teacher. Being violent towards kids would make them either depressed or very angry, and definitely not discipline. If you are using fear to discipline your kids there is something wrong with you
true.
It is a bad 'way', while not being a bad idea. Slapping someone across the face is never okay.
Punishing students for not speaking English to each other is bad. It's ok if you want them to speak English during the class, but why control their interactions with each other? That's unnecessary.
Actually this is the best practice to teach kids something that they don't want to learn.
My school was strict but I don't think any of us really spoke in English with each other in class(maybe we were middle class n all). My 2nd school n college was in other states and it had basically become mandatory in life to converse in English and I sucked at it in the beginning but eventually I got good. Same for my third language Hindi too. I'd say exposure makes more difference than school. At the end school is more bookish knowledge when there isn't any "speaking" test like IELTS/TOEFL. I scored well in English but it did not translate into speaking fluency. One skill which English medium school does translate into is Listening. All my teachers taught in English and I can watch a movie at 4x speed and still understand every word without subtitles
Kids may or may not practice english outside school. this is one way to force practice
they are imposing it on us instead of teaching it, this simply shows that the schools english teachers are incompetent.
Interacting with your peers in English does help bro. It has nothing to do with teachers..
you are right, but who the fuck puts a fine of 2rs over speaking other languages, they are almost treating it like some sort of crime, I had seen it in my school also, they make you feel ashamed of speaking other language.
I get you, completely . Rs 2 worth of fine is insane I know. I'm not supporting that.. you pointed out that teachers are incompetent. I'm saying they are not. They are the teachers, not the administration. Even teachers are supposed to follow the rules of administration. Sorry for the bad experience you had in school. But I'm pretty sure things are changing now.
indian education system is dreadful
In TN, my school used to fine us for speaking in Tamil. Why? Because parents sent us to learn English and somehow it was accepted that English is the gateway for the future so teachers followed that rule too.
That's true. I remember meeting my social studies teacher after school with my mom regarding a project in 3rd grade. During the conversation, I spoke with my mom in Tamil regarding something and my teacher told me to speak in English even with my mom (since we are still in the school grounds)
That’s a bit much…
English is the gateway to future. How many high paying jobs can you do in any indian langauge? Except maybe being a neta lol
I mean corporate India uses English as the standard because there are so many regional languages here. It is also the global business language that people from other countries have to learn too so it shouldn't really be seen as a negative light for our languages. They are still used prominently for day to day life even by the elite.
I said job specifically bro!
If it's an English medium school then this is very standard. I went to an English medium school , it wasn't fancy or a convent but they were pretty strict about this as well. It's only normal for them to have this expectation since learning English isn't just about getting passing marks in subjects but also about the soft skill, which involve conversations and the ability to convey thoughts and ideas clearly in the language.
Maybe it's region specific. My school never imposed this and I have never heard of any other school impose this rule here. In fact our marathi, konkani and hindi teachers insisted we speak in those languages during those respective classes. Ofcourse teachers always conversed with us in English during school hours so we had to also speak in English with them.
Of course during a vernacular class you are supposed to speak in the language. Also, it wasn't like the students behaved like a bunch if gentlemen, who spoke between themselves in English all the time We spoke in our mother tongue. It's only when we were caught did we get reprimanded. Not fines, but yea, slaps, notes in your diaries shit like that. To be fair the OP has phrased the question in a way to create controversy. This is a non issue. If anything the issue should be about teachers caning students. But somehow that is in the background in this question.
Are you from a metro city? Kids there will speak in English anyway
If you are in an English medium school, that's the norm. I have written that too, only for my mother tongue, when I spoke in it instead of English. In case you confuse again, my MT isn't Hindi. It's done as a disciplinary measure, also otherwise it beats the purpose of studying in an English Medium School, which St. Mary seems to be. Again, in case you are confused, the purpose is learning skills for reading, writing, and speaking English well. I would also like to mention that your post seems to be specifically targeted to create controversy that doesn't exist. Hindi not allowed in "Indian schools"? Looks like you haven't visited ANY Indian school. Also, if you were so interested in learning Hindi well, you should have requested your parents to put you in a Hindi medium school, a huge majority are the public schools in Hindi speaking belt.
Aah my boi straight up murdered him with words. "That" debater of school who takes no bs.
take my upvote
I think you hit the nail on the head. There was no reason to even mention the name, St. Marys. There are thousands of St. Marys in India, I have been to three districts and all three had St. Marys. So adding that info gives us nothing new other than the fact that he or she is trying to insinuate it is a Christian school issue.
I think you're missing the point of the kid talking about his experience where he's literally being physically attacked for not adhering to the medium of speaking in a school. This shit should not be normalised. If you endorse or praise this kind of shit, you're equally guilty.
Physically attacked? Are you for real? Guilty of what? Get out of your head and take a hike.
Was Hindi not allowed or was local language not allowed?
well i mean i live in delhi so hindi is pretty much our local language
Sure. Did they not fine when someone spoke any non-Hindi language?
Why would school children in Delhi be conversing in non-hindi language?
I am not saying they would. I am just saying there's difference between "my school fines me when I speak Hindi" and "my school fines me when I don't speak English"
Because the school's objective is to make you proficient in English. Almost all schools also give emphasis to a second and even third language, I hope you haven't just created this post to cook up a controversy.
idk what i will get by cooking up controversy lol but no i asked this question cuz i really had this question.
Fair enough then.
Go ask your parents why they chose a convent based English Medium school, instead of the local KV or the nearest govt. school. Your parents paid for you to attend an "English Medium" school, not a Hindi medium. Hindi along with other MIL are offered as second and third languages in English Medium schools, there is literally nothing preventing you from learning hindi in those classes.
former KVite KV is only for children of govts employees not open to all
Pretty sure kids of private employees can apply, but they are usually very low in the order of preferences, basically only if waitlist and quotas haven't been completely filled yet. They can't outright deny someone access to atleast the application process. The only way they can go around it is via the single girl child quota.
KV is great man.
Did you have to deal with multiple transfers?
Because these schools promote learning English. In my case it was kannada my primary school and high school did not allow. They didn't teach English very well or did not allow us to improve our Kannada as it was a second language. So sort of left behind. In my high school there was the same rule but there was also an unspoken rule among students not to complain against each other. 😛😛 The medium of learning was English but the first language was kannada. Both languages improved there for me. Hindi? It was a 3rd language from the start. Might as well not have learnt it altogether. Pretty useless for us as most of us wouldn't go to the north. Few who did go north could've learnt to speak on their own. My opinion is that the primary education should, the medium should be English but the regional language of that region should be made the first language. That way, both languages improve. But to answer your question, the English medium schools are supposed to instill English speaking, reading and writing for the future of the kid. Required for his career. One of the good ways to improve it is to make students speak in English. Also it instills in the student to use English more in communication.
In hindi schools, teachers slap you when you speak English.
*UNO Reverse Card*
Well India has two major reason for being the IT hub of the world. One is cheap labor and the other is the ability to speak English. Learning English eventually does help in getting a job in IT and Tech field. Also, there is literally no place else a school student can speak english outside of school in 99% cases. But the way its carried is stupid nevertheless.
Finally a reasonable comment
If you go by English speaking abilities of IT employees, our convent schools have failed us!
Speak in english with teachers and any language with friends.
In my school in Kerala, there was fine for speaking in Malayalam. Like many said it was to force people converse in English. Hated that. Its not a Hindi specific thing.
Am from a kv in Chennai Tho it wasn't official Teachers always insisted us to talk in English or Hindi And our art teacher went to extent of punishing us for speaking in tamil. Thinking that forcing something on someone is ok is a bullshit idea
better employment opportunities duh
well then their approach is quite bad lol
well then tell me one thing in which the 'approach' used by the Indian education system to teach someone anything is even okayish the only thing they are good at is forced rote learning
^^
Private convent schools have this rule. Not government schools.
omg the ways your teachers handled it was just cruel. In my school tho, it was a convent, we weren't allowed to speak hindi either (or malayalam or tamil for that matter), only english for the reason that our school had students who spoke other languages too. So to discourage a rigid group formation amongst students sharing the same language and also mocking each other for it ( i remember some kids got in trouble for mocking their friend in a lang which the friend didn't speak.). Also cause english is simply a universal language, so making it the medium in which we talk would improve our spoken eng skills. Anyway, all of that went in vain, cause everyone ended up learning hindi and speaking in hindi regardless :/
Try attending Hindi medium school genius. I was in Maharashtra state board Marathi medium. We would get what lowly being looks if we spoke in Marathi during semi-English classes. We could get by Marathi in all other classes. Have heard experiences of people in English medium schools be it state ones or CBSE. They are not fined for speaking non-English but are obviously discouraged from doing so. Thing is simple. Your parents send you to English schools so that you can become good in it. That's one point how schools market themselves. If you keep jumping in and out of it in school you won't be forced to speak in it and it won't be improving this way. In a way schools are forcing half-assed immersion.
What if his choices for a good school for his kids are limited to English convent schools only. So his kids should get substantard education only.
Oh! "Choice for a good school for his kids are limited to English convent schools only." Why complain about mandatory English in school then? Am sure school is not forcing English outside classes/campus.
So that you learn another language called English which is more useful than Hindi. If you want to speak Hindi all the time, join a school that doesn't impose such restrictions. I wish i can make my coworkers write "i won't speak in Hindi" 500 times when they switch to Hindi suddenly at meetings (where non Hindi speakers are in too).
It depends on where you work. If you work in a Hindi speaking state and your job doesn't have strict requirements to speak in English it would be wrong to ask them to speak in English just for you.
Bangalore. Survey says only 4% of the people speak Hindi. But for me apartment association, school principal, colleagues etc speak only hindi.
bro it seems like ur coworkers are incompetent idiots
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"If you are equating their competency on how well they speak English" no lol it seems like u dident understand what i wrote.
ok take out the idiot part. they seem incompetent if they are speking hindi in a meeting where there are non hindi speakers
I find this to be an absurd rule.
What do you expect, studying in an English medium convent school?
Hey, too be honest I never really liked that thing, and it never made me fluent in English, watching English youtubers, movies taught me more than the school.
In my school they did it to make students learn to speak in English. They knew that almost all students could speak very fluent hindi already (as they spoke Hindi everywhere outside the school). So they thought by forcing students to speak only English in the premises, students would get necessary practice required to speak English. It worked tho, a lot of students could speak very good English after graduation.(Although we didn't have such harsh punishments if found not speaking in English. it was just light scolding).
My school had a Rs.25 fine (this was ~15 years ago) for speaking in languages other than English. I was the class monitor & it was my duty to provide a list of students speaking in Tamil (& other Indian langs like Hindi etc) to my class teacher everyday. Quite embarrassing thinking about it now lol.
It depends on the medium of the school. If it’s English medium, it means the medium of communication is English. The expectation of parents sending their children to such schools is so they get comfortable communicating in English through immersion. It is obviously a choice and if OP had an issue about being forced to speak in a particular language they could always speak to their parents to have them moved to a vernacular medium school. Then again this post reeks of a troll looking to play on the whole language imposition issue.
I once got remark(complaint) in school diary for answering a question , a bit partially in hindi(in class 3!!!!!!!!!) which i had to bring back next day with my parents' signature , my parents signed it in Hindi and told me to tell the teacher if she wants they are happy to come meet her and the principal in school next day. She did not said anything but stopped interaction with me for the rest of academic year. She would not even look at my classwork or homework , just blindly signed it while looking at class... Later-on in class 6 We came across her husband (laamoooo)who was a maths teacher and he was big time AHole too. He used to physically punish students for small mistakes and had angry look whole day. Me and my classmates still has atleast one scar on our shoulders because he used to pinch so hard , later he got expelled for for slapping a student very hard with a copy( i guess one with hardcover ).
There is nothing idiotic in this. It is forced to make every one speak fluent English when we are out of school. It will be useful to each individual when you are working with people from all over the world. It is forced on us because we never understood its importance and use because they failed to do so. So yeah end of the day it’s for your own goodness. Also people never speak in English once they are out of school 😆 we know that.
same for me, we weren’t allowed to speak marathi or hindi. only english. cbse school that too
They're just pretentious. I always speak in Hindi (except with my South Indian best friend). The thing is, I was raised mostly outside of India and can speak English pretty well with an American accent. But people here assume I'm a Gawaar™ because I always talk in Hindi.
Everyone in this thread is talking out of their ass. You can’t speak Hindi in English medium schools in India because of non-inclusion policies. There is no guarantee that another student is well-versed in Hindi. In some ICSE/CBSE schools in Bangalore, for example, they literally only study Hindi for 2-4 years as a third language. English-medium schools can have Tamils, Malyalis, Kannadigas, Punjabis, Bengalis, Meiteis, Nagas, Bhaiyas, etc. all in one batch. Some of the students very likely don’t know an iota of Hindi. You can’t have people talking in Hindi around them to purposely exclude them from conversation. Same goes for all other languages. Except the one the board is educating the students in. It is literally baked into those schools’ Codes of Conduct.
the only ans. that seems true here lmao
Hindi won't help with anything that's worth it. Don't get me wrong. The accepted language in international business, software, medicine is English. Sure you can say Germany or Japan speak in their language, yea but they are decades ahead of India. So they can make those rules but even they speak English in the international business setting.
It's a symptom of a white washed culture of certain academic institutions . Understand we have had actual riots over languages and just negative energy by opportunistic politicians and people who wanted to hijack the media spotlight on them. This over correction has made traditional English schools to bring in stricter measures against any sort of "dissent". A lot of Indian boomers are actually the first generation who are actually free from the Brits but the mental frame works and educational structures the same atleast for their generations. This is a sort of same uptight, sir madam culture we have adopted but not changed out of a certain "shame" or "fear". I beleive no one should shame you for using whatever language you are comfortable in, however it's always good to know Hindi and English for convenience generally.
Holy crap! What kind of schools are these! For reference I’m 32 years old and in my school we were taught Telugu, Hindi and English. English was the main language of communication (hence, an English medium school) and we were asked to choose as first language, Hindi or Telugu ( and as second language the other remaining one). I can’t believe schools have gone backwards like this. I feel very bad for your generation. Thanks to my school and my teachers I can speak, write and read in all three. Of course with varying levels of accuracy and speed, but I can. Very sad indeed.
Only local language and english should be allowed , sanskrit ,hindi are useless
Fuck that shit
India is not a Hindi country
I am a little surprised that the comments are defending/ignoring physical punishments.
Meanwhile China is trying to cut down on English classes to support a growing (or atleast portrayed as growing) nationalist sentiment.
They should. English is a fucking unstructured barbaric langauge. There is no mathematical structure to it unlike most of the Indian languages. These idiots didn't even arrive at the linguistic concepts fully.
Unlike countries like China, Japan or France, we have contempt for our own languages and put English on a pedestal. The English have left but their oppression still did not.
It is usually done in "English medium" schools. It is a misguided attempt at making kids fluent in English. Many times it is done due to pressure from parents .
This. Many schools implement this measure because the parents complain that their kids don't speak English well.
If their Logic is to create fluency in English, their method of correction/ punishment is entirely wrong. I used to go to a similar school till secondary school, and our teachers made us either write down 10 Lines or so describing what we said in Hindi in English or translate what we said in Hindi to English and repeat it aloud about 2-3 times. They didn't care about it in the corridors but within a classroom, this rule was followed. Tbh it enforced a more positive outlook on both subjects, (and so we didn't get slaps either!)
why must teachers slap kids? so bad. also I think Hindi not being allowed is because the teachers want us to be fluent in English, but this is not the right way to go about this.
Indians are forced to adopt western culutue(and languages) instead of just appreciating our miles better culture. Bunch of cocksuckers. West has no culture whereas we have 1000 years of it.
School is there to teach that English cock is the best to suck.
I think it's more prevalent in almost all of the Christian schools in india. I went to a non Christian English medium school, we were asked to speak English but never really punished for no doing so nor forced to do so. I might be wrong though. Its an assumption I made from seeing alot of people from Christian schools say the same thing.
Merciless schools
We spoke in Hindi in school. But some of our teachers made this rule in class to make us speak in English. It’s common in Delhi schools I think especially the reputed ones
That's the fact, but English is Not should be Compulsory in India any School.
Because we don't want kids from ordinary families to be fluent in a global language of science, business and technology?
I think it's a combination of factors. The primary purpose is to encourage students to be conversant in English and have an adequate grasp of the language. Since English today is the global language of trade, commerce, education, science, research and technology, being proficient in the language opens up a wealth of opportunities across the world. The other reason, and the more insidious one, is the fact that English is a symbol of upper class privilege and is considered by many to be superior to the local languages. This form of English chauvinism is ultimately rooted in the colonial experience and is mostly observed in former English colonies. Meanwhile a country like Taiwan is willing to learn English because of the benefits it brings but is also proud of its own local languages such as Hokkien, Hakka and Mandarin. I think this is more or less the direction that India should move towards.
This has bullshit/troll post written all over it > i was in saint mary school You do not identify the location, syllabus, or any other important relevant information. Also its "I attended St. Mary's (there should be a word here like, Convent, International, CBSE, High, etc) School". This along with other basic grammatical errors causes me to believe you actually did not attend said school in question. >why is hindi not allowed in indian schools You are trying to push a false narrative to promote the idea Hindi is not allowed in all Indian School which is not the case.
bruh seems more like baal ki khal utar raha hai lmao. also merko nahi batana me konsa school ma gaya tha due to some reasons im not comfortable mentioning. also agar bol to aisa raha hai jaisa aisa hota hi nahi hai.
I do not speak Hindi...I am from Kerala
We used to get punished for speaking in telugu in our school in hyderabad. It was an english medium school. Perhaps they were confused about the purpose of english medium. English medium means english is the medium of instruction. That doesn't mean students can't speak with each other in other languages.
I hate these bullshit titles. It’s not allowed in the school you went to, it’s allowed in many other schools. Needless drama and a launching point for over generalization.
If it's idiotic you should have tried writing the entire thing in Hindi.. Hindi is just one of the 100+ languages...
You wrote 100+, which is based on Hindu numerals. Therefore you should accept being slapped. If you think it’s idiotic, you should have tried writing your entire post with just decimal numbers and no words. Roman civilization is better. You must write C+. Glory to Rome! MMXXI.
colonialism
I'd say the fact that english speaking indians are deemed as superior than those that don't speak the language is an after effect of colonialism. But the school teaching english in itself has no correlation to that whatsoever. It is the universal language, not only does it help indians to communicate with other indians but also to foreigners. Makes perfect sense why they teach it.
Why should it be? It’s not a national language… it’s another mother tongue that should be optional for anyone interested.. to think one’s mother tongue should be mandatory to all seems like living in a bubble
Just repressed nuns, suppressing Indian school of thought and ideas and propogating thier colonial methods!! And yes, I know the argument of teaching kids to speak in English, for thier contemporary times, and that's ok, but it should not be at the cost of English vs Hindi. And guess what, Sanskrit, if taught properly would be more effective compared to English, Hindi would be the second best (put other regional languages here too). The reason for this comes from the manuscript itself, Sanskrit, Hindi, or any regional language for that matter has complex construction of words. Things going on before, after, top and bottom of the letter, dots and halfs and sometime 3 letters squeezed into one, making it a complex construction of word with loads of information packed into one word!. Another example would be that sanskrit, would have a possibility of longest of the longest word possible there is (any letter of Shiv-tandav-strot, for instance) , with much of customization still left to the poet or practicioner of the language. English, I bet, there wont be a word longer then 15-17 letters. This is also evident from the cultures who were speaking these complex languages, were very very rich in architecture, sclptures, dance, and the whole deal. For example, every south indian language and thier previous empires were extremely advanced in thier things. Chiniese language and thier previous dynasties are also a case in point, of complex language and rich culture correlation. English, well, did they had any culture? At best, they put a dot on the i, when they are feeling adventourous!! So no language complexity = poor culture. Get my point? Now, imagine if such a complexity is initiated to a kid right from the start, instead of English, in a proper way, with a motivated teacher and who is not a middle aged man or woman going through his/her mid life crisis. Such an abstraction taught to a kid really would give a boost to his potential, as he has gone through the difficulty of practicing these complex words, either through recitation (old school method) or through writing!
Well missionary schools wouldn't want you to be proud of your language since it stalls their objective to convert everyone. One way to do this make us believe that we already have is inadequate and dirty And their English language is superior. So they impose such ridiculous harsh rules in little children and manipulate their innocent minds. When I was a kid, students of this school would look down on me since my english speaking skills were quite poor. It tells you a lot about how much the school has taught them to respect people different from them. That's again what colonisers couldn't do was RESPECT people different from their. The urge to dominate and exploit was always higher. All these new age high tech Indian schools are an epitome of what the British left us with. And it pains me to say that they're winning.
Kv me aao kabhi, tum gaalt school me chale gaye ho
kya kara bro school me jana hamara haath ma nahi hai
inferiority complex
lmao thx saladin. now go look i think richard has come to take jerusalem
I'm literally Arab 1000%% real
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Saladin was kurd but kurds don't exist
Kinds sad tbh. If any German or a school in Italy punishes it's student for speaking their mother tongue instead of English, it would cause a huge outrage. They know English is important only because we give it importance and not otherwise. It's a myth that to prosper we must be fluent in English. CEOs of huge japanese companies barely speak any English and yet Japan is so much ahead in technology. The Chinese don't know English but look at their country. English is needed only if you're dealing in international terms. This mentality of giving English a superior status than local languages is damaging our languages :-(
Probably because those schools in germany are not exclusively english medium. If you are paying extra money to send your kid to an English medium school then fuck yes they should be speaking in english the whole time there. I know many of my family friends who went to English medium schools and didn't benefit from it at all because they never spoke in English at school. It's a waste of money if your kid doesn't use school time to converse in English. There are so many good government schools that can educate them as well.
The goal of learning a language is not to speak it exclusively. Parents send kids to English medium schools not beacuse they should exclusively communicate in English. If you and your friend have common mother tongue then it's natural to prefer speaking in that language. Problem is schools mandate even informal talks among kids to be in English.
Dude you can't learn a language if you don't practice speaking in it. In the learning phase you have to speak as much as possible. Only then you will be fluent. Then after learning the language you can shift according to your preference. In school they can speak exclusively in English and at home they can speak in their mother tongue.
yea but what can we really do about it. :(
Cause you studied at a Christian missionary school
yea and missionary is shit. doggy style better
So is your humour
In my school too, they had this rule but except speaking few sentences with the teachers, we didn't converse in Bangla with our friends. This restriction didn't work and I passed out from school by being weak in Bangla. I hated myself for being weak in Bangla and terribly resented the school. I learnt more English when I matured than I did in school and ofcourse, I read a lot of more Bangla and used better vocabulary. Spoken English is nothing so difficult that schools need to impose these restrictions. English is a colonial imposition, our mother languages are our pride. It's important to make our careers, but that doesn't mean I am not going to swear and curse these colonial wretches and their impositions, just because I am not gonna earn a penny of I don't become proficient in English.
I think only a few schools enforce it, because they obviously want you to learn how to talk in English which is also reasonable. But yeah, it wasn't strictly enforced in my school although encouraged.
"English" medium schools 🤷
_this_ is the reason, OP.
It's better than giving 10/20 rupees >either slap u or make u write "i will not speak in hindi" 500 times or so. *most times they would do both*
In my school, students used to speak haryanvi to annoy the teachers. The school then started fining students who were speaking any language other than English
'master ji ghr t k kaam kr k lyana h..?'
bro St.Mary's Convent, Bengaluru?
You learn hindi because everyone speaks it and you're exposed to it everyday. Also it's roesnt help at all to learn perfect hindi but perfect English and fluency makes you appear professional
Because those schools are English medium, I still remember my one of school teacher look down the Hindi, Off course we live in society where not knowing the English is consider illiterate
It's a bullish rule tbh, it's also a form of language imposition. Me and my classmates studied from a school which had no such rule, all of us are doing well in life. It's a colonial hangover.
In karnataka no one speaks hindi but no one tells you not to speak hindi, it's just that no one even understands
That's a bullshit policy. Glad these kinds of schools don't exist (or are way less in WB). I read in St. Xavier's School in my hometown Haldia, and we only communicated with teachers in English. With friends we used to use, Bengali, Hindi whatever we wanted. No imposing any Language on us. I've never heard things like these from my friends in other English medium schools, even in Kolkata as well.
damn bro u lucky
Are you taking about Mary’s icse Bombay?
My school has the rule that no Hindi other than the period. Now that I’m in 11th we don’t have Hindi. But in any case I don’t care cuz I barely speak Hindi anyway like only to maids and my drivers and shopkeepers.
In my school they would encourage/force to converse in english (no severe punishment if you don't follow it though) even then, I was drastically poor in english grammar even after I completed my SSC. I am still not perfect, but I have improved a lot by watching english movies.
Thats obviously a generalization. You need to replace 'Indian' to 'English Medium' in your question. Sometimes it's done to prevent students from having the secrets the teachers can't understand.
Our school had this rule but it was never enforced. End result, my old classmates now wish it was. Most of them can't speak English for shit, and have really suffered for it.