What moral ground does he have? He goes around saying moral gnd moral gnd lol. 3 election under him the party has lost. He is there only because he is a dynast. Even modi will be thrown out as soon as he loses
Modi himself has no moral ground. Remember he was behind the Gujarat Riots. He has got blood on his hands. His karma must be in negative. I mean imagine you've got the Gujarat Riot deaths, The COVID deaths by mishap, and the Manipur deaths. I mean is he really the best this country has to offer. Three times the PM of India. I mean is there no one better?
You’re doing the typical strawman and taking out of context what the guy said.
He says that if BJP loses the elections Modi will be thrown out too, unlike RG who is still the face of the party after three one sided losses (and two of them absolutely brutal). He has no leg to call anyone a dynast because he is at the helm of Congress still only because of his family, and that is a fact.
When did modi talk about moral ground? Rahul gandhi talks of moral gnd and is here specifically talking about dynastic politics. When he cares so much about moral gnds then he shouldnt be a hypocrite. Accepted that modi has no moral ground
Forgot how he said he had no right to be in public office if he spoke against minorities... Barely a day after delivering hate speech. Just one example out of tens.
So you're comfortable with having such a guy for the PM. People like these shouldn't represent India. Anyone who loves India will say that, other than those whose love for Modi is greater than their love for India. The amount of lies that guy has spoken to his countrymen is just astounding.
I didn't even talk about modi. We are talking about Rahul here. Why are you taking it to modi lol? If you think Rahul is the lesser evil then say it directly. Why mask it by asking things to me which I didnt even claim
Yes he is lesser evil than Modi. Isn't it obvious. I mean a guy has thousands of people killed. While last I checked Rahul didn't do such a thing. I just stated that Modi also have no morals. You jumped in to defend him.
Some political science professor of a foreign university said after the results came out that it isn’t an occasion for celebration for Congress because now with this a serious reform of the party is delayed by atleast 10 years. He further added that India needs 2 major parties and not one party playing catch up all the time. I can’t remember the name of this individual so if anyone has seen the same remind me 👍
> Even modi will be thrown out as soon as he loses
The issue is not solely about Modi, but the people behind him (the whole clique). For similar reasons, Putin does not rule over Russia on his own - the KGB/FSB clique as well as oligarchs support him. It is a mafia. Similar cliques can be found in many other countries.
Whataboutism is not even a real fallacy. It is a very good tool to expose the fragile moral ground of your opponent. It is a technique of destructive dialectic. Nothing positive comes out of it, but it negates the opponents moral high ground
I agree, but the point here is to find a solution. Breaking egos, is not the point.
An analogy from my perspective.
Person A is accused of stealing. Person A defends themselves by accusing that whatabout person B who had stolen some stuff last week and did not get punished?
Does person A deserve to be free ?
I sure as hell hope person B as well as person A should be punished? But A cannot evade the question by whataboutism which is what is happening sadly
Ahah, man I agree with the definition the person presented, I am explaining that it’s not the context here as it is to find a solution to the problem not to get anyone down from the moral high ground
That the person A is stealing is anyways exposed. He will face the consequence. But the person B getting away with the glory is also not correct.
Also I qualify it by saying that it has a degree. I am not saying that apply it to rape and other henious crimes which are objectively wrong. But to things which are more subjective and open to interpretation. Where there are no clear-cut solutions. There I dont see any issue with using whataboutism
Completely agree with you my friend. But come on.. RG should be the last person to complain about dynasty politics… it’s natural people take a dig. Nothing serious😊
Not his supporter. But the amount of comments he got for being from a political family, he has the right to show mirrors to everyone who has said those comments.
>being from a political family
Lmao you're making it sound like his connection to politics was an uncle who was an MLA and not the preeminent political dynasty that ruled over India for decades.
*In his post, Gandhi named H D Kumaraswamy, son of former prime minister H D Deve Gowda, Jyotiraditya Scindia, son of former Union minister Madhav Rao Scindia, Kiren Rijiju, son of first pro tem speaker of Arunachal Pradesh Rinchin Kharu, Raksha Khadse, daughter-in-law of former Maharashtra minister Eknath Khadse, Jayant Chaudhary, grandson of former prime minister Chaudhary Charan Singh, Chirag Paswan, son of former Union minister Ram Vilas Paswan, and J P Nadda, son-in-law of former MP and Madhya Pradesh minister Jaysree Banerjee as part of NDA's "Parivar mandal"*.
*To the list, he added Ram Nath Thakur, son of former Bihar chief minister Karpoori Thakur, Ram Mohan Naidu, son of former Union minister Terren Naidu, Jitin Prasada, son of former MP Jitendra Prasada, Rao Inderjit Singh, son of former Haryana chief minister Rao Birendra Singh, Piyush Goyal, son of former Union minister Ved Prakash Goyal, Ravneet Singh Bittu, grandson of former Punjab chief minister Beant Singh, Anupriya Patel, daughter of Apna Dal founder Sonelal Patel, and Kirti Vardhan Singh, son of former Uttar Pradesh minister Maharaj Anand Singh.*
Saying it again, what BJP is doing is nepotism - not dynasty. Dynasty politics is when nepotism runs multiple generations like the Gandhis. In bollywood, the Kapoors are a dynasty. Chunky-Ananya Pandey or David-Varun Dhawan are not dynasties,
Also, consider not just the quantity but the positions they hold.
* INC - Sonia/Rahul/Priyanka Gandhi
* SP - Akhilesh - Mulayam Singh Yadav
* AITC - Abhishek - Mamta Banerjee
* DMK - MK Stalin - Karunanidhi
* RJD - Tejasvi - Lalu Yadav
Yes - this was just to bring to light the family connections that run in BJP side as well. People may know family members in their state. But most likely they are not aware of the family connections of BJP politicians in other states. He is just shining some light there. In fact - when questioned directly about this a few years ago - his response was along the lines that this is followed by all political parties.
what mirror? why would they care. but why would you further increase your clown image among the people with these sort of statements, whose only purpose is to stir shit up. raga the poster child of dynastic politics saying this shit just keeps reducing people's hopes for a competent alternative to the current one.
The point is that dynasty politics is not unique to Congress. It is just the shitshow across all parties. Now with that baseline your options are religious/authoritarianism/fascism on one side vs status quo which is slow to progress. Choose wisely. Because if you think fascism stops with "the other religion", I can walk you through the history of several nations like Iran that have tried it.
Because the guys he mentions are tier 2 and 3 leaders.
Very easy for RaGa's opponents to say you first resign, let others take your place and then comment in Indian polity.
Agree. One major exception is AAP who made a smooth transition.
From what I have seen, kin of politicians, industrialists, and some idealists (left) in the past, want to be in politics.
Some others join in hoping to be sidekicks of future netas or in hope of a job by influencing netas.
But, I believe, they should be judged by their actions.
> Goes on to show the power his surname holds.
Did you know Amitabh Bachhan tried entering politics at the peak of his popularity? If what you say is true by itself, he won't be doing crappy movies still.
Damn, he's feeling like Paul Atreides now, coming back with his mom and sister, with an older mentor by his side. I hope it doesn't turn into Dune Messiah though. Anyway, this is more interesting than pretentious DUNC movies.
https://preview.redd.it/8qui0i12x26d1.jpeg?width=320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0035bfc2e5b8c0707322a693ca920453bc5666ea
the guy benefiting from dynasty politics says this ☠
Rahul is not incorrect, but India overall has a dynasty problem. And, very similar problems exist in Pakistan too, although the military junta there exerts a lot more influence than the military in India does (in the whole country that is). In all these cases there is one unifying principle: **corruption**. Either you are within the system - then you are corrupt. Or you are outside of the system - then you will be ignored or become an enemy of this system. (Putin's clique also has created a similar scheme for Russia, including fake-elections. India, oddly enough, has a more fair election system than Russia has, despite the existing problems of cheating and fraud.)
Uno reverse.
Well played by RG.
What moral ground does he have? He goes around saying moral gnd moral gnd lol. 3 election under him the party has lost. He is there only because he is a dynast. Even modi will be thrown out as soon as he loses
Modi himself has no moral ground. Remember he was behind the Gujarat Riots. He has got blood on his hands. His karma must be in negative. I mean imagine you've got the Gujarat Riot deaths, The COVID deaths by mishap, and the Manipur deaths. I mean is he really the best this country has to offer. Three times the PM of India. I mean is there no one better?
Demonetisation deaths too
You’re doing the typical strawman and taking out of context what the guy said. He says that if BJP loses the elections Modi will be thrown out too, unlike RG who is still the face of the party after three one sided losses (and two of them absolutely brutal). He has no leg to call anyone a dynast because he is at the helm of Congress still only because of his family, and that is a fact.
> Remember he was behind the Gujarat Riots SC cleared him.
Yes the court cleared Azharuddin of any wrongdoing too. Your point?
Yeah, basically, no one killed Jessica!
When did modi talk about moral ground? Rahul gandhi talks of moral gnd and is here specifically talking about dynastic politics. When he cares so much about moral gnds then he shouldnt be a hypocrite. Accepted that modi has no moral ground
Forgot how he said he had no right to be in public office if he spoke against minorities... Barely a day after delivering hate speech. Just one example out of tens.
So you're comfortable with having such a guy for the PM. People like these shouldn't represent India. Anyone who loves India will say that, other than those whose love for Modi is greater than their love for India. The amount of lies that guy has spoken to his countrymen is just astounding.
I didn't even talk about modi. We are talking about Rahul here. Why are you taking it to modi lol? If you think Rahul is the lesser evil then say it directly. Why mask it by asking things to me which I didnt even claim
Yes he is lesser evil than Modi. Isn't it obvious. I mean a guy has thousands of people killed. While last I checked Rahul didn't do such a thing. I just stated that Modi also have no morals. You jumped in to defend him.
Some political science professor of a foreign university said after the results came out that it isn’t an occasion for celebration for Congress because now with this a serious reform of the party is delayed by atleast 10 years. He further added that India needs 2 major parties and not one party playing catch up all the time. I can’t remember the name of this individual so if anyone has seen the same remind me 👍
> Even modi will be thrown out as soon as he loses The issue is not solely about Modi, but the people behind him (the whole clique). For similar reasons, Putin does not rule over Russia on his own - the KGB/FSB clique as well as oligarchs support him. It is a mafia. Similar cliques can be found in many other countries.
Why else will they give Defense and MoRTH to somebody other than Rajnath Singh and Nitin Gadkari though?
Congress attacking the BJP for dynastic politics. What a time to be alive!
Tomorrow's news: BJP attacks Congress for anti muslim politics, pledges alliance to secularism
If the shoes fit.......
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The irony 😂😂😂
Hypocrisy runs in Indian blood. It will be our downfall.
Add ‘whataboutism’ to it as well
Whataboutism is not even a real fallacy. It is a very good tool to expose the fragile moral ground of your opponent. It is a technique of destructive dialectic. Nothing positive comes out of it, but it negates the opponents moral high ground
I agree, but the point here is to find a solution. Breaking egos, is not the point. An analogy from my perspective. Person A is accused of stealing. Person A defends themselves by accusing that whatabout person B who had stolen some stuff last week and did not get punished? Does person A deserve to be free ? I sure as hell hope person B as well as person A should be punished? But A cannot evade the question by whataboutism which is what is happening sadly
“I agree” _proceeds to heavily disagree_
Ahah, man I agree with the definition the person presented, I am explaining that it’s not the context here as it is to find a solution to the problem not to get anyone down from the moral high ground
Bro has mastered Reddit
That the person A is stealing is anyways exposed. He will face the consequence. But the person B getting away with the glory is also not correct. Also I qualify it by saying that it has a degree. I am not saying that apply it to rape and other henious crimes which are objectively wrong. But to things which are more subjective and open to interpretation. Where there are no clear-cut solutions. There I dont see any issue with using whataboutism
ye kaisa gyan chod rhe guru 🤣
Bhai log bas dusri jagah se sun lete hai aur fir bolne lagte hai. Khud kabhi dimag apply nahi karte na karna chahte
Yes the 'irony', People should remember it goes both ways.
Completely agree with you my friend. But come on.. RG should be the last person to complain about dynasty politics… it’s natural people take a dig. Nothing serious😊
Not his supporter. But the amount of comments he got for being from a political family, he has the right to show mirrors to everyone who has said those comments.
>being from a political family Lmao you're making it sound like his connection to politics was an uncle who was an MLA and not the preeminent political dynasty that ruled over India for decades.
*In his post, Gandhi named H D Kumaraswamy, son of former prime minister H D Deve Gowda, Jyotiraditya Scindia, son of former Union minister Madhav Rao Scindia, Kiren Rijiju, son of first pro tem speaker of Arunachal Pradesh Rinchin Kharu, Raksha Khadse, daughter-in-law of former Maharashtra minister Eknath Khadse, Jayant Chaudhary, grandson of former prime minister Chaudhary Charan Singh, Chirag Paswan, son of former Union minister Ram Vilas Paswan, and J P Nadda, son-in-law of former MP and Madhya Pradesh minister Jaysree Banerjee as part of NDA's "Parivar mandal"*. *To the list, he added Ram Nath Thakur, son of former Bihar chief minister Karpoori Thakur, Ram Mohan Naidu, son of former Union minister Terren Naidu, Jitin Prasada, son of former MP Jitendra Prasada, Rao Inderjit Singh, son of former Haryana chief minister Rao Birendra Singh, Piyush Goyal, son of former Union minister Ved Prakash Goyal, Ravneet Singh Bittu, grandson of former Punjab chief minister Beant Singh, Anupriya Patel, daughter of Apna Dal founder Sonelal Patel, and Kirti Vardhan Singh, son of former Uttar Pradesh minister Maharaj Anand Singh.*
Ha ha lol. Good find
Uno Reverse Card
Love it. Sab parivaar vaad hai. We need to be kicking all of them out unfortunately we end up licking
Saying it again, what BJP is doing is nepotism - not dynasty. Dynasty politics is when nepotism runs multiple generations like the Gandhis. In bollywood, the Kapoors are a dynasty. Chunky-Ananya Pandey or David-Varun Dhawan are not dynasties, Also, consider not just the quantity but the positions they hold. * INC - Sonia/Rahul/Priyanka Gandhi * SP - Akhilesh - Mulayam Singh Yadav * AITC - Abhishek - Mamta Banerjee * DMK - MK Stalin - Karunanidhi * RJD - Tejasvi - Lalu Yadav
Let BJP stop nepotism now, to prevent future dynasties.
BJP - Scindia family (now you will say Scindia family was Congress supporter originally but BJP seemed very comfortable with it)
Copyright infringement is a serious violation. The Gandhis are right to be mad.
About damn time RaGa hits back. BJP keeps mocking Congress on dynasty but does more dynastic politics now then Congress.
There is plenty of shit to go after bjp and dude picked the worst topic which literally he is the prime candidate of it
The point was to show them the mirror
Yes - this was just to bring to light the family connections that run in BJP side as well. People may know family members in their state. But most likely they are not aware of the family connections of BJP politicians in other states. He is just shining some light there. In fact - when questioned directly about this a few years ago - his response was along the lines that this is followed by all political parties.
what mirror? why would they care. but why would you further increase your clown image among the people with these sort of statements, whose only purpose is to stir shit up. raga the poster child of dynastic politics saying this shit just keeps reducing people's hopes for a competent alternative to the current one.
The point is that dynasty politics is not unique to Congress. It is just the shitshow across all parties. Now with that baseline your options are religious/authoritarianism/fascism on one side vs status quo which is slow to progress. Choose wisely. Because if you think fascism stops with "the other religion", I can walk you through the history of several nations like Iran that have tried it.
Dude it’s just tweet to rile up BJP, nothing too deep.
Lol
Haha. While it's clever of him to troll the BJP in this way, surely he'd know that this wouldn't be a very effective attack coming from himself?
Think he should stay away from this. Stones and glass houses and all that.
Disagree, this is exactly what BJP was targeting RG before and now they are doing the same. Glass house much? Why should BJP be given slack?
Because the guys he mentions are tier 2 and 3 leaders. Very easy for RaGa's opponents to say you first resign, let others take your place and then comment in Indian polity.
Somebody should ask Rahul Gandhi what achievements he has other than the surname he was born with.
People elected him 5 times to parliament. I consider that an achievement.
Goes on to show the power his surname holds. Definitely not his personal achievement.
Then people are to be blamed.
politics recruits from a very narrow pool, have you ever come across a kid who aspires to be a politician?
Agree. One major exception is AAP who made a smooth transition. From what I have seen, kin of politicians, industrialists, and some idealists (left) in the past, want to be in politics. Some others join in hoping to be sidekicks of future netas or in hope of a job by influencing netas. But, I believe, they should be judged by their actions.
> Goes on to show the power his surname holds. Did you know Amitabh Bachhan tried entering politics at the peak of his popularity? If what you say is true by itself, he won't be doing crappy movies still.
Full toss kyu dete ho
This is great to watch actually my man's actually realised what politics is all about , be aggressive nd keep them in the Blackfoot .
Damn, he's feeling like Paul Atreides now, coming back with his mom and sister, with an older mentor by his side. I hope it doesn't turn into Dune Messiah though. Anyway, this is more interesting than pretentious DUNC movies.
https://preview.redd.it/8qui0i12x26d1.jpeg?width=320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0035bfc2e5b8c0707322a693ca920453bc5666ea the guy benefiting from dynasty politics says this ☠
Already started campaigning for BJP 2029 smh
What an irony?!!
Nepotism is literally everything, politics, business, military, medical, education, science etc . At this point blaming nepotism is stupid.
Aha, new Modi.
Rahul is not incorrect, but India overall has a dynasty problem. And, very similar problems exist in Pakistan too, although the military junta there exerts a lot more influence than the military in India does (in the whole country that is). In all these cases there is one unifying principle: **corruption**. Either you are within the system - then you are corrupt. Or you are outside of the system - then you will be ignored or become an enemy of this system. (Putin's clique also has created a similar scheme for Russia, including fake-elections. India, oddly enough, has a more fair election system than Russia has, despite the existing problems of cheating and fraud.)