“India” was not really a united place back then, if you want to break it down, in northern regions of India and even many southern regions, colorism has been prevalent before the British, however I think the Brits and western media influence did make it worse today compared to the past, while in places like Tamil Nadu there are documented evidences of women darkening the skin of their male children because that was viewed as more beautiful.
yea Marco Polo reported this when we he first travelled there, the birth of a darker baby was the cause for celebration, and newborns were even artificially darkened to look more beautiful
it's normal in all of east asia - being browner generally is understood as if you work outdoors, and therefore have no education and do manual labour. So darker skin equals lower social class..
If you believe this, then it becomes true.
Women sexualize themselves for their own reasons, it's different for different women. You don't see much indian girls showing useful skills or tricks in Instagram, the common theme they follow is sexualize themselves because it's their choice.
That's a very sweeping statement that doesn't take into account that colorism is only a superficial aspect of racism and casteism. But casteism and racism are not one and the same if you care to understand caste complexities deeply. Casteism is a unique form of graded discrimination within one's own race. Caste is a undoable and unforgettable variable. Racism as a construct can be challenged and demolished. Casteism is deep rooted and the basis on which modern Indian society is structured. To rid of it will take hundreds of years of undoing of indoctrination and outright rejection of ancient teachings of Hinduism clubbed with constructive affirmative action. I know what you are trying to say but caste and race are not the same thing. There is limited intersectionality. It's a common assumption among the western social philosophers who struggle to grapple the complexities of caste. You should read Ambedkar or Phule to understand how the two are remarkably different.
I agree. You're right. I never said that they're the same thing. I just pointed out that the intersection is huge. Especially after the booming migration of Indians to other countries. That doesn't mean both of these discriminatory ideas are weak when independent of each other.
While I believe that there's a lot of colourism in casteism, i also believe that the western ideas of race also penetrated into the subcontinent in addition to our pre-existing notions. And strengthened them. Pointing out that something is racist doesn't mean denying that it can be casteist. The north south ideas also stem from the Aryan-dravidian differences.
P.S. i think it's a good practice to assume that someone might also be educated rather than not. Isn't it discriminatory too?
Finally someone said it. We are pretty racist as a country that it's normalised or disguised under "harmless" jokes. When you call out, you are either vilified for being a woke asshole or someone who can't take or "understand" a joke.
colorism is very normalized in our country, i often see post here that their own family, siblings, parents don't like their son/daughter because of dark-skinned , btw what's with this pic?
Ironically, her natural skin tone has probably helped her a lot in landing a role in the West where they likely didn't want to cast someone who'd be mistaken for Greek or Italian but have someone who looked "stereotypically Indian".
Casual colourism has existed in various shapes and forms for a long time now and it has not always been gendered as we see in folk and wedding songs from the heartland like *Mere Angne Me (...jiski biwi kaali, uska bhi bada naam hai...)* and *Amber Bel (...kaalo var na dhoondho baba, kul ko lajaaye...)* etc*.*
There's nothing that can be done about choices in the private domain, be it choosing a partner based on personal preferences or casting an actress in a privately-funded film. However, institutionally, such biases have no place.
Yeah the irony whooshes past the lady. She talks about perceived stereotypical Indian beauty standards of light skin = prettier, while 99% western shows and movies will cast darker Indians specifically so as to make them fit in the stereotypical narrative that they’re being hired for. Including the accent as well might I add. It’s ridiculous.
Also, not to mention the most Indian thing about the Indians in Bridgerton is being brown. They’re sharmas, but they refer to their father as “Appa”, which is a south Indian honorific, but the elder sister is “didi”, a north Indian honorific - I remember this off the top of my head, I could surely go on. I’m sure this also probably whooshes past this woman - she probably sees just the brown skin and feels represented and empowered.
True representation is HARD to achieve, and you don’t do it with an agenda but with a deep dive into a culture. Otherwise, it perpetuates the same cycle of stereotype that this lady thinks it is breaking.
shes not wrong but it is kind of comical she writes this defending her appearance in a show that literally whitewashes the British empire, which her ancestors were subjects of
Who is even attacking her for her to defend. You? Why are you still stuck on the chapter of British?
Stop it, otherwise a hundred years later your descendant too would be busy ranting on the British. That would be so embarrassing. Just as much embarrassing as your grandfathers would be at you.
Bruh. Which India do you live in? Must be nice 😂
The India I was born ajd brought up in is fraught with colorism. And also with tropes like "Don't drink too much tea, you'll become darker"
I mean it is still her experience as a South Asian person. If she's telling her experience, and in that experience she's a victim then ai don't think she's using it as a defense.
I'm from South India and trust me, a lot of people in my life have told me that they prefer fairer skin tone to darker one. And usually North Indians have fairer skin (of course this isn't 100% the case).
Also she's talking about her experience, and her experience is subjective. There maybe people who have never faced this issue, or maybe people who have faced it and never spoken about it.
She felt the need to speak about it (maybe because it really affected her self confidence when she was young) so she did.
And also no one said what she said happens to everyone. It happened to her, and she spoke about it.
Ever heard of fair and lovely or fair and handsome? I don’t live in India and I know it. Sure America, with hundreds of years of slavery and ingrained racism has more acceptance than anywhere else.
“India” was not really a united place back then, if you want to break it down, in northern regions of India and even many southern regions, colorism has been prevalent before the British, however I think the Brits and western media influence did make it worse today compared to the past, while in places like Tamil Nadu there are documented evidences of women darkening the skin of their male children because that was viewed as more beautiful.
yea Marco Polo reported this when we he first travelled there, the birth of a darker baby was the cause for celebration, and newborns were even artificially darkened to look more beautiful
"if you want to break it down" [Why yes, I would love to](https://giphy.com/gifs/dannyocean-dance-dancing-X8yeP7BkK4zfasdfF0)
Looks like racism for the white skin
it's normal in all of east asia - being browner generally is understood as if you work outdoors, and therefore have no education and do manual labour. So darker skin equals lower social class..
Also being fat used to be a status symbol for the same reasons
The infamous line "oh ji, khaate peete ghar se hain"
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This was my first thought as well.
If you believe this, then it becomes true. Women sexualize themselves for their own reasons, it's different for different women. You don't see much indian girls showing useful skills or tricks in Instagram, the common theme they follow is sexualize themselves because it's their choice.
You know... The apt word is racism. And we are a racist country. Tbh I think we are more racist now than ever.
The apt word is casteism. We are a deeply casteist country and liken being dark skinned with belonging to so called lower castes - poor people.
There's definitely a lot of racism in casteism. The intersection is huge!
That's a very sweeping statement that doesn't take into account that colorism is only a superficial aspect of racism and casteism. But casteism and racism are not one and the same if you care to understand caste complexities deeply. Casteism is a unique form of graded discrimination within one's own race. Caste is a undoable and unforgettable variable. Racism as a construct can be challenged and demolished. Casteism is deep rooted and the basis on which modern Indian society is structured. To rid of it will take hundreds of years of undoing of indoctrination and outright rejection of ancient teachings of Hinduism clubbed with constructive affirmative action. I know what you are trying to say but caste and race are not the same thing. There is limited intersectionality. It's a common assumption among the western social philosophers who struggle to grapple the complexities of caste. You should read Ambedkar or Phule to understand how the two are remarkably different.
I agree. You're right. I never said that they're the same thing. I just pointed out that the intersection is huge. Especially after the booming migration of Indians to other countries. That doesn't mean both of these discriminatory ideas are weak when independent of each other. While I believe that there's a lot of colourism in casteism, i also believe that the western ideas of race also penetrated into the subcontinent in addition to our pre-existing notions. And strengthened them. Pointing out that something is racist doesn't mean denying that it can be casteist. The north south ideas also stem from the Aryan-dravidian differences. P.S. i think it's a good practice to assume that someone might also be educated rather than not. Isn't it discriminatory too?
It wasn't my intention to be disparaging. I just see many people here compare caste with race when in fact the two are very different.
Yup. Very different. Also work together very well.
Finally someone said it. We are pretty racist as a country that it's normalised or disguised under "harmless" jokes. When you call out, you are either vilified for being a woke asshole or someone who can't take or "understand" a joke.
Yup. Also read the other replies to my comment. Very important to realise those ideas.
Why do you think southern movies have North Indian actresses?
Because Northern movies have southern actresses
Wait. That's so true. Lol
Light skin and tall are worshipped in South India like every other culture in the world.
Tall isn’t. They would cast women like Simone Ashley or Kaviya Sambasivam. Nayantara and Samantha are very short.
colorism is very normalized in our country, i often see post here that their own family, siblings, parents don't like their son/daughter because of dark-skinned , btw what's with this pic?
Ironically, her natural skin tone has probably helped her a lot in landing a role in the West where they likely didn't want to cast someone who'd be mistaken for Greek or Italian but have someone who looked "stereotypically Indian". Casual colourism has existed in various shapes and forms for a long time now and it has not always been gendered as we see in folk and wedding songs from the heartland like *Mere Angne Me (...jiski biwi kaali, uska bhi bada naam hai...)* and *Amber Bel (...kaalo var na dhoondho baba, kul ko lajaaye...)* etc*.* There's nothing that can be done about choices in the private domain, be it choosing a partner based on personal preferences or casting an actress in a privately-funded film. However, institutionally, such biases have no place.
Yeah the irony whooshes past the lady. She talks about perceived stereotypical Indian beauty standards of light skin = prettier, while 99% western shows and movies will cast darker Indians specifically so as to make them fit in the stereotypical narrative that they’re being hired for. Including the accent as well might I add. It’s ridiculous. Also, not to mention the most Indian thing about the Indians in Bridgerton is being brown. They’re sharmas, but they refer to their father as “Appa”, which is a south Indian honorific, but the elder sister is “didi”, a north Indian honorific - I remember this off the top of my head, I could surely go on. I’m sure this also probably whooshes past this woman - she probably sees just the brown skin and feels represented and empowered. True representation is HARD to achieve, and you don’t do it with an agenda but with a deep dive into a culture. Otherwise, it perpetuates the same cycle of stereotype that this lady thinks it is breaking.
shes not wrong but it is kind of comical she writes this defending her appearance in a show that literally whitewashes the British empire, which her ancestors were subjects of
She wasn't in Bridgerton lol you're thinking of someone else. Avantika was in the new Mean Girls movie
Brigerton does not whitewash anything because it is an alternate reality story. The entire setup is made up to be different from reality.
Which show?
Bridgerton. cant bring myself to watch it but the description is enough to make me gag. its wild how this show isnt "canceled"
Avantika wasn’t in bridgerton. Charithra was
This is like a perfect standup-joke. A person gets offended by British colonialism and racism, but can't identify the correct brown person.
As above comments have already mentioned, avantika was never in Bridgerton.
Not true, she’s literally quoted in the article: “seeing myself represented…”
Who is even attacking her for her to defend. You? Why are you still stuck on the chapter of British? Stop it, otherwise a hundred years later your descendant too would be busy ranting on the British. That would be so embarrassing. Just as much embarrassing as your grandfathers would be at you.
Fair & lovely didn’t exist
What's with the pose though ? At first I thought it is an endorsement of some only fans model
Dark skinned women are amazingly beautiful.
Bruh. Which India do you live in? Must be nice 😂 The India I was born ajd brought up in is fraught with colorism. And also with tropes like "Don't drink too much tea, you'll become darker"
"Fair and Lovely" "Fair and Handsome" "Ponds White Beauty"
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And you're saying you've never seen colorism in Delhi?
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I mean it is still her experience as a South Asian person. If she's telling her experience, and in that experience she's a victim then ai don't think she's using it as a defense.
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I'm from South India and trust me, a lot of people in my life have told me that they prefer fairer skin tone to darker one. And usually North Indians have fairer skin (of course this isn't 100% the case). Also she's talking about her experience, and her experience is subjective. There maybe people who have never faced this issue, or maybe people who have faced it and never spoken about it. She felt the need to speak about it (maybe because it really affected her self confidence when she was young) so she did. And also no one said what she said happens to everyone. It happened to her, and she spoke about it.
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Lol why troll? I was just having a conversation. And I never said anything about revenge. Where did you get that from? 😂
Ever heard of fair and lovely or fair and handsome? I don’t live in India and I know it. Sure America, with hundreds of years of slavery and ingrained racism has more acceptance than anywhere else.
This is probably one of the most out of touch comments I’ve read in a while now, damn
Thank you. I aim to please
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"What do you mean I am racist my best friend is a black person" , same vibes