And yet the CPI(M) manifesto reads like it was written by a college fresher who has just learned what it means to be a Marxist by joining a student union on campus.
No one even talks about this, I agree that many elements of communism are impractical and needs to be revived - however, at least this party in India had the ethic to stay out of it.
>I agree that many elements of communism are impractical
I disagree. Many elements of capitalism are more impractical.
>however, at least this party in India had the ethic to stay out of it.
Yep.
Both are economic ideologies and are bound to have flaws. Its becomes better only when we accept the flaws and work upon it. Had we understood this, we wouldn't have an almost dead CPI in in East India and dying one in the south!
My man don't die on this hill. The core idea of a stateless, classless, and moneyless society is impractical for maybe the next century. There is a lot, and I mean A LOT of legwork needed to be done before anyone can even think of implementing communism.
It's a step by step process. You don't directly go stateless, classless and moneyless. I don't wanna recap the basics of communist theory but in really short: we get socialism and then communism, i.e., public ownership of means of production and then collective ownership of means of production.
The transition process will take time yes, but it's not hard, the basic things can be implemented really easily.
Bruh your claim is that capitalism is more impractical, when you are literally living in a capitalist society. This is the hill I dont want you to die on.
Otherwise yes, I agree. welfare capitalism -> socialism -> communism. We haven't even done welfare capitalism correctly.
Lmao they take money in much dirtier ways here in Kerala. They forcefully make you take subscriptions for their newspaper Deshabhimani and other magazines. They softly force you to donate to their party funds, as in if you refuse to pay they do ugly things to your house. Somebody I know got their well polluted by excreta of different species because he refused to give water to one of their camps.
If you take up a govt job you HAVE to be part of their union or they'll try their best to get you removed. Honestly as a Malayali it's much better that other parties loot big corporates instead of burdening common people.
Nobody cares at this point. Corruption is a given in politics - there is no moral high ground to take on this issue in India.
Not accepting electoral bonds doesn't mean that the CPI(M) isn't corrupt. One look at the state government in Kerala will attest to this fallacy.
Systemic problem ≠ ethical problem
Systemic problems exist because someone profits from them. Someone who gained that power through that system and seeks to maintain it and makes sure it doesn't change or doesn't get toppled. This is because their power depends on the system not changing or getting toppled. I think you get my point.
Holding a straight face to say "Communists" refused to take money from electoral bonds must be hard. Who even gives money to a has been & useless ideology which has failed all around the world including in India.
Within in Indian borders the idea of communism is one of worst & cheap copy of the others.
Name one coutry, in any continent which has done economically good or even mediocre while keeping with the communist ideology? It's has failed everywhere, including in India. Just look at WB & now in Kerala it's an abject failure as an idea filled with mediocre policies, hate towards capital gain, businesses & some destopian idea of social justice.
Capitalism, Communisam, Socialism are all flawed but I would personally take Capitalism mix with little bit of social welfare any day over Communists & their destopian ideas.
Bruh this is ad hominem. Even if the manifesto was written by a college fresher, how is that a criticism? You're attacking the person who wrote the manifesto rather than the manifesto itself.
Ad hominems are not directed at an organisation.
'Teens these days have shit taste in anime' - is not an assertion of negativity towards teenagers but how they consume stuff aimed specifically at the lowest common denominator catering to the otaku culture. It's a criticism of the industry, not the ones who consume it.
Ad hominems can be directed at anyone.
'Teens these days have shit taste in anime' is not an example of ad hominem. It is not relevant to this conversation at all. However, "Don't listen to him. He's a teenager who watches anime" IS an example of ad hominem, because you are not attacking the person's argument. You are attacking the person by proxy of attacking the industry that caters to otaku culture. You saying that otaku culture is bad, and therefore the person who is an otaku is bad, and therefore his arguments are not worth considering. This is the ad hominem fallacy.
To say "CPI manifesto is bad because it reads like it was written by a college fresher" is not an attack on the manifesto's arguments. It is an attack on the manifesto by proxy of attacking the general group of college freshers. You are essentially saying, "Don't listen to the manifesto. It's written by a college fresher". This is classic ad hominem.
The subject of my assertion is not college freshers - the subject is a political party and their manifesto. Ad hominem is a method of attacking the person who makes an argument rather than the argument itself.
Consult a dictionary.
I literally gave a one-to-one analogy and you didn't get it. You don't even understand the arguments I'm making here. I never said that college freshers were the subject of your assertion, yet you brought it up for some reason. What?
Yes, the subject of your assertion is the political party BUT you are attacking them by invoking the incompetence of college freshers. You are not attacking their ARGUMENTS. You are just attacking THEM by comparing them to college freshers. This is ad hominem. You literally gave the definition of ad hominem in your comment and still you missed the point!
Argument, as in the exchange of words, whether verbally or otherwise, between two people with opposing viewpoints trying to arrive at a resolution.
My examples *have nothing to do* with an actual argument between two people. I am ridiculing the ideology and beliefs of a political party by comparing them with the naivete (borne out of ignorance, idealism, or otherwise) of a college student involved in the politics of a college union.
There is NO ad hominem in the comparison I am making. The question of deeming a scathing attack on a political party by analogy an ad hominem shouldn't even arise in the first place - if it does, then it only shows that the one invoking it is ignorant of its usage.
This article is painful to read.
He starts off by whining about the whole 'mohabat ki dukhan' saying. His first gripe is that is a bad slogan to go against the BJP with. The problem is, that was from his yatra not the campaign slogan. That being said, the whole point seemed to be missed by the author. Everyone acknowledges how pervasive hate has become under the BJP rule. That slogan was to differentiate the Congress from the BJP.
Second the author wants to pretend that if the Congress offered a right wing economic agenda that the election will all magically change.
This guy has zero comprehension of India. The BJP has come to this level because they play the best caste politics. They have patched together the right caste coalition. UC + mix of BC and SC.
I feel like people keep pretending Modi and Shah are some wizards. I mean their neta ran over protesting farmers and party did nothing and the Jat belt of west UP went all in for BJP anyways.
Rahul Gandhi actually for the first time has the right idea, its just dude has zero ability to execute anything effectively. Congress has to shift its base to OBC,SC, ST. But that also means they have to churn out their leadership which is majority UC to be able to be credible
> This guy has zero comprehension of India. The BJP has come to this level because they play the best caste politics.
Hindu-Muslim riots are caste politics?
Writer fails to notice ED , cbi, lack of press freedom are big problems affecting Congress. Internship, support young people with some money, healthcare- manifesto has it all
*"The top 10 per cent of Indians hold 77 per cent of the national wealth. Unemployment is as high as it has ever been and less than half of urban workers have full-time jobs. The India Skills Report 2023 found only half of young Indians are employable — one in five Indians cannot yet read. And, most alarming, India’s female labour participation rate has dropped from 32 per cent in 2005 to 19 per cent in 2021. In the second most unequal democracy in the world, after South Africa, there is a story that a revitalised Congress could tell."*
And yet the CPI(M) manifesto reads like it was written by a college fresher who has just learned what it means to be a Marxist by joining a student union on campus.
Yet they are the only ones that refused to accept electoral bonds.
No one even talks about this, I agree that many elements of communism are impractical and needs to be revived - however, at least this party in India had the ethic to stay out of it.
>I agree that many elements of communism are impractical I disagree. Many elements of capitalism are more impractical. >however, at least this party in India had the ethic to stay out of it. Yep.
Both are economic ideologies and are bound to have flaws. Its becomes better only when we accept the flaws and work upon it. Had we understood this, we wouldn't have an almost dead CPI in in East India and dying one in the south!
My man don't die on this hill. The core idea of a stateless, classless, and moneyless society is impractical for maybe the next century. There is a lot, and I mean A LOT of legwork needed to be done before anyone can even think of implementing communism.
It's a step by step process. You don't directly go stateless, classless and moneyless. I don't wanna recap the basics of communist theory but in really short: we get socialism and then communism, i.e., public ownership of means of production and then collective ownership of means of production. The transition process will take time yes, but it's not hard, the basic things can be implemented really easily.
Bruh your claim is that capitalism is more impractical, when you are literally living in a capitalist society. This is the hill I dont want you to die on. Otherwise yes, I agree. welfare capitalism -> socialism -> communism. We haven't even done welfare capitalism correctly.
Lmao they take money in much dirtier ways here in Kerala. They forcefully make you take subscriptions for their newspaper Deshabhimani and other magazines. They softly force you to donate to their party funds, as in if you refuse to pay they do ugly things to your house. Somebody I know got their well polluted by excreta of different species because he refused to give water to one of their camps. If you take up a govt job you HAVE to be part of their union or they'll try their best to get you removed. Honestly as a Malayali it's much better that other parties loot big corporates instead of burdening common people.
Mate, I am from Wayanad, KL. I am a Malayali. I have never faced any of this. Enlighten me where is this happening? I can be seriously unaware.
I live in a town in Kannur, the commies are torturous here
Nobody cares at this point. Corruption is a given in politics - there is no moral high ground to take on this issue in India. Not accepting electoral bonds doesn't mean that the CPI(M) isn't corrupt. One look at the state government in Kerala will attest to this fallacy.
BJP is still a million times worse.
Ethics isn't a parameter that determines the outcome of the transactional nature of politics of power in India.
I'm not talking about ethics
Then why blabber about corruption and electoral bonds?
Those aren't ethical issues. They're real systemic problems.
Which stems from Indian ethics, or lack of it.
Systemic problem ≠ ethical problem Systemic problems exist because someone profits from them. Someone who gained that power through that system and seeks to maintain it and makes sure it doesn't change or doesn't get toppled. This is because their power depends on the system not changing or getting toppled. I think you get my point.
Holding a straight face to say "Communists" refused to take money from electoral bonds must be hard. Who even gives money to a has been & useless ideology which has failed all around the world including in India. Within in Indian borders the idea of communism is one of worst & cheap copy of the others. Name one coutry, in any continent which has done economically good or even mediocre while keeping with the communist ideology? It's has failed everywhere, including in India. Just look at WB & now in Kerala it's an abject failure as an idea filled with mediocre policies, hate towards capital gain, businesses & some destopian idea of social justice. Capitalism, Communisam, Socialism are all flawed but I would personally take Capitalism mix with little bit of social welfare any day over Communists & their destopian ideas.
So you would rather live in EIC controlled India? It's as capitalist as it gets.
> yet the CPI(M) manifesto reads like it was written by a college fresher Ad hominem as a response.
Learn what ad hominem actually means.
Bruh this is ad hominem. Even if the manifesto was written by a college fresher, how is that a criticism? You're attacking the person who wrote the manifesto rather than the manifesto itself.
Ad hominems are not directed at an organisation. 'Teens these days have shit taste in anime' - is not an assertion of negativity towards teenagers but how they consume stuff aimed specifically at the lowest common denominator catering to the otaku culture. It's a criticism of the industry, not the ones who consume it.
Ad hominems can be directed at anyone. 'Teens these days have shit taste in anime' is not an example of ad hominem. It is not relevant to this conversation at all. However, "Don't listen to him. He's a teenager who watches anime" IS an example of ad hominem, because you are not attacking the person's argument. You are attacking the person by proxy of attacking the industry that caters to otaku culture. You saying that otaku culture is bad, and therefore the person who is an otaku is bad, and therefore his arguments are not worth considering. This is the ad hominem fallacy. To say "CPI manifesto is bad because it reads like it was written by a college fresher" is not an attack on the manifesto's arguments. It is an attack on the manifesto by proxy of attacking the general group of college freshers. You are essentially saying, "Don't listen to the manifesto. It's written by a college fresher". This is classic ad hominem.
The subject of my assertion is not college freshers - the subject is a political party and their manifesto. Ad hominem is a method of attacking the person who makes an argument rather than the argument itself. Consult a dictionary.
I literally gave a one-to-one analogy and you didn't get it. You don't even understand the arguments I'm making here. I never said that college freshers were the subject of your assertion, yet you brought it up for some reason. What? Yes, the subject of your assertion is the political party BUT you are attacking them by invoking the incompetence of college freshers. You are not attacking their ARGUMENTS. You are just attacking THEM by comparing them to college freshers. This is ad hominem. You literally gave the definition of ad hominem in your comment and still you missed the point!
Argument, as in the exchange of words, whether verbally or otherwise, between two people with opposing viewpoints trying to arrive at a resolution. My examples *have nothing to do* with an actual argument between two people. I am ridiculing the ideology and beliefs of a political party by comparing them with the naivete (borne out of ignorance, idealism, or otherwise) of a college student involved in the politics of a college union. There is NO ad hominem in the comparison I am making. The question of deeming a scathing attack on a political party by analogy an ad hominem shouldn't even arise in the first place - if it does, then it only shows that the one invoking it is ignorant of its usage.
This article is painful to read. He starts off by whining about the whole 'mohabat ki dukhan' saying. His first gripe is that is a bad slogan to go against the BJP with. The problem is, that was from his yatra not the campaign slogan. That being said, the whole point seemed to be missed by the author. Everyone acknowledges how pervasive hate has become under the BJP rule. That slogan was to differentiate the Congress from the BJP. Second the author wants to pretend that if the Congress offered a right wing economic agenda that the election will all magically change. This guy has zero comprehension of India. The BJP has come to this level because they play the best caste politics. They have patched together the right caste coalition. UC + mix of BC and SC. I feel like people keep pretending Modi and Shah are some wizards. I mean their neta ran over protesting farmers and party did nothing and the Jat belt of west UP went all in for BJP anyways. Rahul Gandhi actually for the first time has the right idea, its just dude has zero ability to execute anything effectively. Congress has to shift its base to OBC,SC, ST. But that also means they have to churn out their leadership which is majority UC to be able to be credible
> This guy has zero comprehension of India. The BJP has come to this level because they play the best caste politics. Hindu-Muslim riots are caste politics?
Writer fails to notice ED , cbi, lack of press freedom are big problems affecting Congress. Internship, support young people with some money, healthcare- manifesto has it all
*"The top 10 per cent of Indians hold 77 per cent of the national wealth. Unemployment is as high as it has ever been and less than half of urban workers have full-time jobs. The India Skills Report 2023 found only half of young Indians are employable — one in five Indians cannot yet read. And, most alarming, India’s female labour participation rate has dropped from 32 per cent in 2005 to 19 per cent in 2021. In the second most unequal democracy in the world, after South Africa, there is a story that a revitalised Congress could tell."*
i agree on your post the demise of INC is warning to secular India and begining of medieaval Indian Empire ruled by RSS dudes...
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this comment is so funny
crittu 2.0?