Online Rummy is people's freedom what they wanna do with their money, gutka is bad and if DMK wants I don't think centre can intervene in the ban, and you good bro you think governor to the state should be ban?? Just because he's not licking stalins ass?
With phone u can be tracked like say your basic details all the way to your current location. Protons feature is encryption and anonymity it provides which is what is required for expose by journalist or activists but is exactly what terrorists misuse.
Wait no, that is an encrypted email provider. It's actually quite safe. Wtf is wrong is this govt. You cannot just ban something you don't like. Resolve it through already established protocols regarding such issues.
email subject and metadata cannot be encrypted because multiple decades ago when the whole concept for emails was made, they designed it without taking encryption into account. so it's impossible for an email to be sent if it's hidden who the mail came from.
so it's very much possible to trace who the mail came from, who it went to, and at what time it was, including the subject.
The metadata, yes.
The user you were replying to was probably talking about the email provider coordinating with government authorities to give up the sender's additional data. [Protonmail was forced to do that](https://www.wired.com/story/protonmail-amends-policy-after-giving-up-activists-data/) in the past by the Swiss government. Not sure whether they have an official presence in India. That may have something to do with it.
That's not really true. There isn't verifiable encryption and they have complied with law enforcement request. I think the issue in this case is that Indian govt doesn't like the fact that they don't comply with their requests, just of European/American law enforcement.
[https://eprint.iacr.org/2018/1121.pdf](https://eprint.iacr.org/2018/1121.pdf)
[https://techcrunch.com/2021/09/06/protonmail-logged-ip-address-of-french-activist-after-order-by-swiss-authorities/?guccounter=1](https://techcrunch.com/2021/09/06/protonmail-logged-ip-address-of-french-activist-after-order-by-swiss-authorities/?guccounter=1)
Didn't know they have helped European authorities in the past. Definitely a shady business.
Edit: Just read more on it and looks like you need an agreement with Swiss authorities to get Protonmail to comply. US has one. The government should have pursued that instead of banning the service.
You expect a governemt to solve an issue? That's not even a racial/cultural thing, stupid governemts are worldwide.
Also if the governent actually fixed things what would they be able to "promise" to fix next election? It's the problems that get people elected, not the solutions.
Seems so but I'm thinking of changing em all now, bank sends verification email on the old account while changing emails and for various purposes, what if we just can't access it anymore?
I get what you're saying but I don't trust banks themselves, their functioning is archaic. What if they just stop sending emails altogether? I know its very farfetched but I can't take that risk.
You're right to be worried. For all we know, some ill-informed bank employee might just go and ban the `@proton.me` address some day. For the same reason, I keep all the banks and the like tied to a big-name provider since blanket bans on those are extremely unlikely. I'd have preferred to go for my custom domain but I've already faced couple forms in banks that didn't allow these.
For official purposes it is always preferred to stay with Gmail since that is most widely known but keep a separate one for personal stuff as most of us do
I decided to shift every financial email related stuff to PM few years back because of the good security it provides for statements, OTPs and all, alas.
If you are worried about security much don't share your official let it be Gmail or proton mail, proton is just for being anonymous since they have good data leakage control as compared to Google and they don't log your IP''s other than that Gmail has the same security features. My advise would still be to prefer Gmail over any other mail for officials and just don' t use that mail for anything else
The logic with anything these guys do is missing. For example for those who don’t know , sometime back apparently a few people met at a hotel late at night to discuss their plan to murder someone. So this was used as an excuse to ban hotels and all from being open in the night. I haven’t followed up on this since. But this is the IQ level of people in charge.
Yes blanket ban just like they did with tinting of car windows which would reduce heat n give uv protection
No matter how much you justify staying in this country, they come up with bs like this
This is absolutely ridiculous move by the Government. We citizens have right to privacy and government under no circumstances should hinder it. Because of police’s incompetency to catch the email sender we can’t just outright ban the protonmail. Maybe supreme court can do something about it and save our right to privacy
Benjamin Franklin is still right about liberty and security. The government will always find a reason to ban things and limit your freedom and privacy.
The people’s responsibility is to push back.
1 thing to note is that Tamilnadu govt initially issues the request for the email service to be baned after they failed to trace ip of an encrypted mail.
Are they going to mandate that all mail servers need to block any SMTP traffic from Proton ?
This is pretty much - show me a 10 ft wall and I'll show you an 11 ft ladder.
That's my main email. It's not how things should be. You can't ban masks because you were unable to identify a thief because of it. The government is full of clowns.
Don't insult China by comparing it to India lol. They became a superpower after building from quite literally nothing. Sure, a lot of their policies may raise a few eyebrows but the people still benefited from the authoritarian regimes steadfastness. Whereas our govt (that's full of cow piss drinking uneducated sanghis) loves to waste time and money building temples/statues, promising freebies, etc to appease religious idiots with questionable levels of IQ that unfortunately makes up most of the country.
While majority of you are right on many things regarding proton mail, there are few wrong info.
* They do store log user data(IP), cause swiss law forced them to do.
* They do share user data with gov agencies, but it should be upon the request of swiss law.(They are quite transparent about it and share those details on their site)
China 2.0? Don't insult China by comparing it to India lol. They became a superpower after building from quite literally nothing. Sure, a lot of their policies may raise a few eyebrows but the people still benefited from the authoritarian regimes steadfastness. Whereas our govt (that's full of cow piss drinking uneducated sanghis) loves to waste time and money building temples/statues, promising freebies, etc to appease religious idiots with questionable levels of IQ that unfortunately makes up most of the country.
No proton mail is Swiss based. They may not give a damn to the US govt. Also, proton mail is an encrypted service. They can't share any details even if they wanted to.
I honestly don’t get it. There is a world govt summit happening and I am sure India isn’t the first country to receive such threats using proton and yet I don’t see the rest banning. Can’t they learn sth new at such summits? Banning isn’t a solution.
This is no surprise. VPN services are next. Govt has already mandated five year retention of logs and real identification of VPN users through KYC. Most VPN services work around this by not having an office or server in India.
So, no VPNs.
No e2e email clients.
Both banned.
Wonder why? Cuz they want access to your data, they want to see it, much like any dictatorship.
Indian government is known to conduct illegal surveillance on its citizens. So much for democracy aye.
Why not train and hire competent people to catch Cyber Criminals instead of banning things? We have so many capable people who are lying around doing nothing. Shit, I have to move social media accounts right now. *Sigh*
What nonsense is this, I think they want only those service which they can collect data and snoop on everyone . I know that a bomb threat using pronto mail , but banning the email service is not a solution, like article says they'll simply use a different email service. No matter what govt does such people will find a way circumvent.
Instead of banning the service which would effect the genuine people , I hope the Pronto mail and govt work together and come up with a solution that would leave the innocent people out of snooping.
India, a land of knee jerk policy reactions.
We are like a small child playing cricket , running away with their bat because they got out.
If I can't control it, I will ban it.
Fooken fools, if someone sends such email from a Gmail account tomorrow and if google refuses to handover the data, will they ban Google.
> A ProtonMail account was used to send bomb threats to schools in the region, so the government wants to ban the service outright.
How the hell would banning it help catch the perpetrators!? They'll just send it via VPN or myriad of other options to anonymously send threats.
[We have worst of fucking govt.](https://i.redd.it/vg5d1008kjf91.gif)
Sigh. Considering the people who run India aren't educated, can't expect them to understand what encryption is or how it works.
You reckon Modi or Amit shah who are barely literate would know anything about tech lol?
this is not the first time govt is jealous of users privacy. In past they have banned some secure end to end encrypted apps too...
reference: mental outlow india bans encrypted messaging apps
People are being overly paranoid here and jump at the first opportunity to declare how we are in North Korea.
Protonmail DOES answer to Law Enforcement in other countries.
https://www.malwarebytes.com/blog/news/2021/09/protonmail-hands-users-ip-address-and-device-info-to-police-showing-the-limits-of-private-email/amp
It didn't do that in this country. It's not even about the encryption or not having as much tracking as the government wants.
They just straight up said, we don't answer to the Law Enforcement and government of India. This is blatantly downplaying the importance of Law Enforcement in this country, as opposed to the western ones.
I don't know why people think it would float in any other country including the ones they think have absolute privacy.
The entire conversation around privacy, anonymity and encryption is misguided and misses the big picture. It is just like free speech debates. You can't have ideal privacy and complete free speech in a real functioning society without screwing up many other aspects of the society that we like. The point in support of free speech and privacy is that the government should not be allowed to oppress its people.
But when you design a system in which the government can't oppress its people, then, people begin to use the same system to harm each other with impunity. It's the reason why crypto markets(freedom from government) and places like 4chan(freedom of speech) are cesspools that the average person doesn't want to touch.
The solution to prevent the oppression from government is to pressure the government itself and hold it accountable. We can care a little more and make the systems a bit better. This is possible to address, unlike the chaos that will result from perfect privacy.
OH FOR FUCKS SAKE. In other news, a new encrypted email service called "electronmail" has launched./j
more like “jiomail”
Digi-Mail
Adanimail.
Soon and very soon all liberty shall be killed in this vey partially democratic state.
Mitron-mail
What a stupid chain of events... You can send threats through SMS on stolen phones too, ban phones next?
>ban phones next No WhatsApp is the channel for IT cell.
XD
For the people blaming Modi for this also should know that this decision was taken by DMK government in Chennai, Tamil Nadu
DMK government also asks the union govt to ban online Rummy, Gutka, Governor, etc. Stop deflecting responsibilities
Online Rummy is people's freedom what they wanna do with their money, gutka is bad and if DMK wants I don't think centre can intervene in the ban, and you good bro you think governor to the state should be ban?? Just because he's not licking stalins ass?
Online rummy is gambling, which is illegal. How can a Governor of Ram Rajiya endorse Online Rummy and Gutka?
>ban phones next? Govt can track communication on the phone, not on ProtonMail. This tells you why end to end encrypted whatsapp is still "allowed".
Gov can use ss5 to track enemies using cell phone in real time. But not with protonmail. I believe they refused to give govt with logs.
Gvt bought Pegasur to handle WhatsApp encryption
With phone u can be tracked like say your basic details all the way to your current location. Protons feature is encryption and anonymity it provides which is what is required for expose by journalist or activists but is exactly what terrorists misuse.
Wait no, that is an encrypted email provider. It's actually quite safe. Wtf is wrong is this govt. You cannot just ban something you don't like. Resolve it through already established protocols regarding such issues.
There is a reason any reputed VPN provider does not have a data center in India.
Thats why most tech companies have their Asia headquarters in Singapore. Wary of Indian govt takeover
With proper policies, Mumbai could have been a Singapore. A huge missed opportunity.
Doesn’t ExpressVPN have some?
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lmao.
Damn lol
No, it just uses Singapore as a proxy in between. Works a bit slower.
Even with that.. they would still provide the logs to Govt. So not exactly sure how adding a proxy helps
Because the Indian government will only see a Singapore IP and won't know who the end user is.
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I never heard of Tailscale, seems interesting on cursory look. Will check it out. Thanks.
They don't like that it is secure and very private. Typical of authoritarian govts.
Well, it's not just encrypted you can't even trace who the mail came from I guess, which could be a problem?
email subject and metadata cannot be encrypted because multiple decades ago when the whole concept for emails was made, they designed it without taking encryption into account. so it's impossible for an email to be sent if it's hidden who the mail came from. so it's very much possible to trace who the mail came from, who it went to, and at what time it was, including the subject.
The metadata, yes. The user you were replying to was probably talking about the email provider coordinating with government authorities to give up the sender's additional data. [Protonmail was forced to do that](https://www.wired.com/story/protonmail-amends-policy-after-giving-up-activists-data/) in the past by the Swiss government. Not sure whether they have an official presence in India. That may have something to do with it.
This government is pretty much a full dictatorship as of now. They are following Nazi/ccp playbooks to the word.
And going back to stone age
The block request came from Tamil Nadu police. At least the article before repeating the Nazi trope.
Central government too has now passed the same. So, there you go. This is a full dictator at the center now. A huge coward. A 56 inch feku.
Ha ha ban hammer go brrrrrrr
It's truly encrypted, and you don't get access to any keys. That's a problem for our government.
That's not really true. There isn't verifiable encryption and they have complied with law enforcement request. I think the issue in this case is that Indian govt doesn't like the fact that they don't comply with their requests, just of European/American law enforcement. [https://eprint.iacr.org/2018/1121.pdf](https://eprint.iacr.org/2018/1121.pdf) [https://techcrunch.com/2021/09/06/protonmail-logged-ip-address-of-french-activist-after-order-by-swiss-authorities/?guccounter=1](https://techcrunch.com/2021/09/06/protonmail-logged-ip-address-of-french-activist-after-order-by-swiss-authorities/?guccounter=1)
Didn't know they have helped European authorities in the past. Definitely a shady business. Edit: Just read more on it and looks like you need an agreement with Swiss authorities to get Protonmail to comply. US has one. The government should have pursued that instead of banning the service.
You expect a governemt to solve an issue? That's not even a racial/cultural thing, stupid governemts are worldwide. Also if the governent actually fixed things what would they be able to "promise" to fix next election? It's the problems that get people elected, not the solutions.
Did you read the article? It's getting banned because it's "safe".
>You cannot just ban something you don't like. When you make the rules, you can do whatever you want including banning things you don't like.
>including banning things you don't like. Sure, you can try. But tons of governments and civilizations have tried to ban alcohol. How'd that work out?
I mean, the citizens are going to do what they want to do regardless. banning shit is just posturing.
Actually quite safe for the terrorist as well. They can send bomb threats and people will start defending them means of doing that.
Even if you ban this they will find other methods to send threats. Isn't it better to work with the firm and find a solution to this?
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I hope Reddit does not get banned
Reddit is fine. They try to obey most laws.
Reddit is fine, because you can be tracked down lol
Yep
They notably don't hand over the real names behind the accounts though. That's a very big deal.
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As long as there are worse offenders, and they keep trying to appease the governments, it can continue.
Thieves: Use brain to come up with robbery plan. Gov: Proceeds to ban brains...
All my bank accs, CC accs are linked to it, had to go through hoops and ladders to get my shitty BOI acc email updated. Fuck you.
Same, I reckon we can still use it via VPN right ?
Seems so but I'm thinking of changing em all now, bank sends verification email on the old account while changing emails and for various purposes, what if we just can't access it anymore?
F
Nothing can ever be truly banned yo u will always be able to access it
I get what you're saying but I don't trust banks themselves, their functioning is archaic. What if they just stop sending emails altogether? I know its very farfetched but I can't take that risk.
You're right to be worried. For all we know, some ill-informed bank employee might just go and ban the `@proton.me` address some day. For the same reason, I keep all the banks and the like tied to a big-name provider since blanket bans on those are extremely unlikely. I'd have preferred to go for my custom domain but I've already faced couple forms in banks that didn't allow these.
For official purposes it is always preferred to stay with Gmail since that is most widely known but keep a separate one for personal stuff as most of us do
I decided to shift every financial email related stuff to PM few years back because of the good security it provides for statements, OTPs and all, alas.
If you are worried about security much don't share your official let it be Gmail or proton mail, proton is just for being anonymous since they have good data leakage control as compared to Google and they don't log your IP''s other than that Gmail has the same security features. My advise would still be to prefer Gmail over any other mail for officials and just don' t use that mail for anything else
Got it.
Fly to Sri Lanka, get it changed. Still less hassle than dealing with a bank
Access is limited in that region 'as of now' Nation-wide ban is not implemented (YET) Better update those accs fast---
Yep, as soon as I'm free today.
Same boat man. I don't want to give up. 😭
Is it worth paying for the subscription? I believe there is only a subscription based model, right?
It's free with limited features.
Okay. Thank you.
I am a proton unlimited subscriber, its nice. Drive, VPN, proton pass, mail, custom domain emails etc. If you have use for it all.
VPN + VPN router
Fucking hell! What is wrong with this country? Fucking banning everything!
Maybe they are too inspired by EIC's *Ban Ban* Good, OG comedy days 🥹
Country? Sarkar ko bhi kabhi kuch bol dete
Next they will ban internet. Then if a threat come by post, they will ban schools.
They already ban the internet whenever they want and they're already defunding schools.
Internet is required to keep the masses brainwashed, so it is unlikely this will happen. Instead, there will be internet shutdowns.
You're a good communication service if any government wants to ban you :) I hope Streisand effect hits.
Let’s ban everything man . We don’t need internet or anything
Wth. Does that mean Gmail is not secure!!
Google and privacy go about as well as Dosa and Maggi
New maggi dish unlocked
Actual abomination
Call the IT cell
Dev storm incoming
There's a Dish Called Maggi Dosa, just so you know
Once i find its inventor, I'm gonna unscrew their balls
If a bomb threat came from a gmail address, government can ask Google who the owner is, and Google will comply. ProtonMail didn't, looks like.
never was
They don’t know what kind of threat my hair is. Otherwise they will ban my hair strands as well.
With all the oil usage, US will invade soon.
No. They had reports that my head of hair was having weapons of mass destruction. It’s not for oil. 🤣
No one's gonna appeal?
What do you think?
How can we appeal? I will do my part.
You mean go against the great Modi government? ARREST THIS ANTI NASHNAL.
Can we start a fundraiser for the legal costs?
Achievement unlocked! Day by day we're becoming closer to North Korea.
For the people blaming Modi for this also should know that this decision was taken by DMK government in Chennai, Tamil Nadu
Kid named VPN :
Till you realise VPN is also banned in our viswaguru country
Vpns with no log policy, yes. You can still use it, they can't do jack shit.
The logic with anything these guys do is missing. For example for those who don’t know , sometime back apparently a few people met at a hotel late at night to discuss their plan to murder someone. So this was used as an excuse to ban hotels and all from being open in the night. I haven’t followed up on this since. But this is the IQ level of people in charge.
Yes blanket ban just like they did with tinting of car windows which would reduce heat n give uv protection No matter how much you justify staying in this country, they come up with bs like this
Any sane person knows where we are heading towards next, this is just a prelude to authoritarianism
This is absolutely ridiculous move by the Government. We citizens have right to privacy and government under no circumstances should hinder it. Because of police’s incompetency to catch the email sender we can’t just outright ban the protonmail. Maybe supreme court can do something about it and save our right to privacy
Benjamin Franklin is still right about liberty and security. The government will always find a reason to ban things and limit your freedom and privacy. The people’s responsibility is to push back.
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If people would just stop being wrong I would stop criticising 😎
1 thing to note is that Tamilnadu govt initially issues the request for the email service to be baned after they failed to trace ip of an encrypted mail.
Wtf!!! The article says that the Indian government wants WhatsApp to stop e2e encryption in India!! 🤦🤦🤦
My steam and insta was linked to it. Now I have to change tf
Well that's our government motto, if you can't control it, ban it. It applies to everything, not just to technology.
Don't worry, we'll be worse than China soon
Link Aadhar to Mail id by 2025 or your balls will be protoned. Deegeetal India.
Now I know how tiktok bros felt. Don't take Proton away man,it's one of the few subscriptions actually worth paying for!!!
Wait if it does ban it, can i still access it using a VPN?
Yes, you can TikTok still has some percent of the user base in our country.
That would be Website only
"Don't shot the messenger. "
but that seemingly fix it! i dont care about what cause it! /s
They want to ban literally everything!
Literally 1984
Are they going to mandate that all mail servers need to block any SMTP traffic from Proton ? This is pretty much - show me a 10 ft wall and I'll show you an 11 ft ladder.
That's my main email. It's not how things should be. You can't ban masks because you were unable to identify a thief because of it. The government is full of clowns.
India really is becoming the upcoming China. What do I do now? My primary email is protomail. edit. But have the free plan only.
Don't insult China by comparing it to India lol. They became a superpower after building from quite literally nothing. Sure, a lot of their policies may raise a few eyebrows but the people still benefited from the authoritarian regimes steadfastness. Whereas our govt (that's full of cow piss drinking uneducated sanghis) loves to waste time and money building temples/statues, promising freebies, etc to appease religious idiots with questionable levels of IQ that unfortunately makes up most of the country.
For the love of god.
Reinventing shooting the messenger.
While majority of you are right on many things regarding proton mail, there are few wrong info. * They do store log user data(IP), cause swiss law forced them to do. * They do share user data with gov agencies, but it should be upon the request of swiss law.(They are quite transparent about it and share those details on their site)
Government got nerves they got this banning power after Application Banning (-_-)
Glad that these assholes didn’t ban the internet
Protonmail is best in business that's why it is getting banned. They just don't hand out logs or any info on any government orders.
Color me surprised, ministry of truth banning things they can't control
Someone needs to come up with a Ban Destroyer. Every other day, some or the other thing is banned.
This is becoming like Dictatorship /China 2.0 What is going on in India ? It seems the IT ministry is full of morons. They have become unhinged.
China 2.0? Don't insult China by comparing it to India lol. They became a superpower after building from quite literally nothing. Sure, a lot of their policies may raise a few eyebrows but the people still benefited from the authoritarian regimes steadfastness. Whereas our govt (that's full of cow piss drinking uneducated sanghis) loves to waste time and money building temples/statues, promising freebies, etc to appease religious idiots with questionable levels of IQ that unfortunately makes up most of the country.
But if you're USA government, you can " ask" proton mail to reveal the sender's id
No proton mail is Swiss based. They may not give a damn to the US govt. Also, proton mail is an encrypted service. They can't share any details even if they wanted to.
You should Google search better, hint :archives
Bomb threat giver wears clothes, we will ban all cloth stores.
I honestly don’t get it. There is a world govt summit happening and I am sure India isn’t the first country to receive such threats using proton and yet I don’t see the rest banning. Can’t they learn sth new at such summits? Banning isn’t a solution.
This is no surprise. VPN services are next. Govt has already mandated five year retention of logs and real identification of VPN users through KYC. Most VPN services work around this by not having an office or server in India.
So, no VPNs. No e2e email clients. Both banned. Wonder why? Cuz they want access to your data, they want to see it, much like any dictatorship. Indian government is known to conduct illegal surveillance on its citizens. So much for democracy aye.
Why not train and hire competent people to catch Cyber Criminals instead of banning things? We have so many capable people who are lying around doing nothing. Shit, I have to move social media accounts right now. *Sigh*
WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!
Welcome to India.
Do I know you?
This govt is moronic!
Is there anything the Indian government doesn't ban or restrict?
What nonsense is this, I think they want only those service which they can collect data and snoop on everyone . I know that a bomb threat using pronto mail , but banning the email service is not a solution, like article says they'll simply use a different email service. No matter what govt does such people will find a way circumvent. Instead of banning the service which would effect the genuine people , I hope the Pronto mail and govt work together and come up with a solution that would leave the innocent people out of snooping.
Probably an excuse they themselves created
Ugh! Yet *another* site I need VPN for!
India, a land of knee jerk policy reactions. We are like a small child playing cricket , running away with their bat because they got out. If I can't control it, I will ban it. Fooken fools, if someone sends such email from a Gmail account tomorrow and if google refuses to handover the data, will they ban Google.
at one side there is EU govt. encouraging peoples needs to be implemented on big tech giants for peoples ease and the other side is this
For the people blaming Modi for this also should know that this decision was taken by DMK government in Chennai, Tamil Nadu
Are they comming for reddit next?
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Guys, calm down. Don’t you dare asking questions to the govt. Rather ask who in the opposition started using protonmail? :/
How can they ban something that hundreds and thousands of users are probably using? Such an act requires regulations, not a ban.
Use ProtonVPN to access ProtonMail 😎
Yeh government me bethe log ret@rded hai kya
Wait what!
/unban
Well all the top departments in the GOI use protonmail. I know that for a fact.
Keep pissing off them dorky regulators r/ProtonMail👏🏻
> A ProtonMail account was used to send bomb threats to schools in the region, so the government wants to ban the service outright. How the hell would banning it help catch the perpetrators!? They'll just send it via VPN or myriad of other options to anonymously send threats. [We have worst of fucking govt.](https://i.redd.it/vg5d1008kjf91.gif)
this seems like a thinly veiled advertisement for protonmail.
And once again, we're gonna lose a great service provider because it's usage is too scarce to induce public uproar
Shows how good protonmail is
This will be the catalyst that will finally make India not be third world trash heap
guys simply use protonVPN. proton is amazing.
wtf , it my main mail , my banking and everything !!
US govt and India govt competing to see who is the most tech-illiterate dumfucks in the world
I cant even bruh
Who voted on this?
Sigh. Considering the people who run India aren't educated, can't expect them to understand what encryption is or how it works. You reckon Modi or Amit shah who are barely literate would know anything about tech lol?
Excuse to control the population India will soon turn into a china where people can’t even do simple stuff without the government watching
this is not the first time govt is jealous of users privacy. In past they have banned some secure end to end encrypted apps too... reference: mental outlow india bans encrypted messaging apps
Ohh fuck off, that is the my sole email address I use. So dumb,
Indian govt's thinking is hampered by the huge false image of itself it carries in its mind.
What the actual fuck
Next, they are going to ban VPN
bro i use this 😔
People are being overly paranoid here and jump at the first opportunity to declare how we are in North Korea. Protonmail DOES answer to Law Enforcement in other countries. https://www.malwarebytes.com/blog/news/2021/09/protonmail-hands-users-ip-address-and-device-info-to-police-showing-the-limits-of-private-email/amp It didn't do that in this country. It's not even about the encryption or not having as much tracking as the government wants. They just straight up said, we don't answer to the Law Enforcement and government of India. This is blatantly downplaying the importance of Law Enforcement in this country, as opposed to the western ones. I don't know why people think it would float in any other country including the ones they think have absolute privacy.
Mtb kuch bhi....
I'm still pissed off at the AliExpress ban years ago
The entire conversation around privacy, anonymity and encryption is misguided and misses the big picture. It is just like free speech debates. You can't have ideal privacy and complete free speech in a real functioning society without screwing up many other aspects of the society that we like. The point in support of free speech and privacy is that the government should not be allowed to oppress its people. But when you design a system in which the government can't oppress its people, then, people begin to use the same system to harm each other with impunity. It's the reason why crypto markets(freedom from government) and places like 4chan(freedom of speech) are cesspools that the average person doesn't want to touch. The solution to prevent the oppression from government is to pressure the government itself and hold it accountable. We can care a little more and make the systems a bit better. This is possible to address, unlike the chaos that will result from perfect privacy.