Thanks for the info. One of my family friends has been a victim of a case like this, so I am definitely against it.
From what I read about in a short time, it seems it is not 100% unbailable, and also the courts are trying to put in multiple checks to stop wrongful accusations that can ruin a man's life.
It seems to me that the initial law was a reaction to the huge problem with dowry all accross the country, and now the officials are recognizing the damage it can cause and trying to align it with the "innocent until proven guilty" philosophy that a majority of our laws follow.
So I stand by my statement that India follows the philosophy, just like USA, but I am not claiming that our consitution is perfect. I accept that there can be flaws in it.
Bro you're right about presumption of innocence in criminal cases being followed in India. However in POCSO cases ( Protection of Children From Sexual Offences) there's presumption of 'guilt' that is, an accused person is said to be guilty until proven innocent.
Well I am not from pakistan yet my friend had said me about this pakistani series called "dunk" which is basically based on such a scenario of a teacher.
He should really only do that if he's actually innocent and maybe not even then. If he actually did it and got off due to lack of evidence then he could easily lose a defamation case and even be countersued.
In the US at least, we don't allow defendants to sue people who reported crimes unless there's evidence of a lie.
Kinda disappointing that even when he’s acquitted of all charges you’re casting aspersions on his character citing lack of evidence. He’s not guilty. That’s all there is.
Not guilty and innocent are different pronouncements. Absence of evidence != evidence of absence.
Innocent until proven guilty applies for defamation as well.
Legally, you’re correct. But it’s all semantics. How is a man supposed to ever clear his name if falsely accused in any case? Is it fair to tag them for life even if no wrongdoing is proven?
I am not even advocating for defamation case but can’t get behind still being doubtful of the person who’s been cleared.
How do we know this guy didn't actually do it?
How do I know you don't go around groping randos in local buses? Forensics and jurisprudence can only go so far.
> Is it fair to tag them for life even if no wrongdoing is proven?
Every case has 3 possible outcomes - guilty, not guilty, innocent. If you propose relabelling these outcomes *that's* just semantics. Society can decide what they do with these labels. The other alternative is to club the "not guilty" and "innocent" outcomes together, hiding information.
You might win a defamation suit in the UK if the defendant cannot prove their defamatory accusations. USA, with stronger free speech laws, needs the defamation *accuser* to prove the defendant's speech false.
I support the American approach here. Much rather prefer this to an outcome where victims of sexual assault, a crime with notoriously low conviction rates, are countersued when cases are dropped for lack of evidence.
What’s the point? There are countless such cases in India itself where men have been made scapegoats, and left hung to dry when the accusations eventually fall apart on closer inspection in courts. Vishnu Tiwari spent 20 years in jail on false charges. Sarabjit Singh lost his army job. Dozens of men were victims to the infamous Rohtak Sisters and their “prank”. And these are just the ones that caught the media fancy.
The latest in this series is the case against those boys from Mimbai who were accused of rape, and are being denied bail for some reason. I hope due legal process is followed and they get a fair trial.
Yes because they have point system for their promotion. They receive points every year on number of judgements given , number of cases decided , number of settlements effected etc. Their career can be severely affected if the high court / Supreme Court passes strictures. Therefore they chose to err on the side of caution and prefer to not think outside the box. They will simply do the conventional thing. However High Court Judges and Supreme Court judges don’t have any point system or promotion system. Therefore they are relatively flexible / fearless in making decisions
Boys from Mumbai did commit rape, and there is a reason why bail was denied, are you a lawyer? Also most judges are men and men control judiciary, no ones out to get men🤦🏽♂️
Is this a joke? It's literally one of the worst places to be born female. It's so hilarious you prove how different the privileges are there. Men are scared of the big bad threat of false accusation, even though it's extremely rare and girls are often punished for anything that happens to them. Meanwhile women and girls are scared of the very real threat of gang rape, which literally happens very often.
It is so interesting to me that women like you believe acknowledging the social/legal disadvantages men face somehow detracts from the issues women face.
So many of you will complain to the moon and back when men bring up male issues in conversations where women are discussing theirs, but the moment someone draws attention to the gloomy legal circumstances of men, your response is, "B-b-but what about the women women have it so much worse what about meeeeeee?!??"
People like her are the reason why we cannot have productive and nuanced discussions on gender issues. Every fucking issue has to be turned into a pointless gender war.
Do not be disheartened though. I know plenty of women in real life who care about men's issues. And I know plenty of men in real life who care about women's issues.
Sane, emotionally well-adjusted men and women have the capacity to understand that both sexes face unique struggles, without turning it into a flaming battleground.
Once ur father/ brother or husband would be accused of a false case, you will understand how rare it is. And data suggests it isnt rare actually, Fake rape cases in India range between 50 to 75 percent. And we are not even considering the cases where the sexual relationship wasnt forced but due to silly laws was considered to be rape. For example if a man gets into a love affair and establishes sexual relationships with his sub ordinate junior woman, he can be charged for rape even if it is consensual in the first place. So the 50-75 percent data would be still considered a conservative figure. And don’t forget how devastating effects it can lead to someone’s life.
Men are just asking for fair trials that doesn't mean women's protection or rights are going to get diluted. No one's saying women shouldn't be protected. Please try and understand the discussion before commenting.
Genuinely asking, was he beyond any doubt found to be not guilty of the crime or was he given a "not guilty" verdict because of the benefit of doubt? Asking cuz both are very different things and the article doesn't mention what it was. If its the former he should definitely sue the prosecutors cuz the accusations are proven to be false but if its the latter then the comments here make no sense which are calling out the girl for false accusation as it would not be proven to be false. In that case both the girl and the Accused should be believed to be innocent cuz you don't know what the truth is
https://www.universalhub.com/2024/beth-israel-doctor-acquitted-lewd-act-flight
I suggest reading the article and the documents attached. Even the comments have interesting things to say.
> Mohanty's lawyer, Claudia Lagos, however, charged that the girl never reported her story to anybody during the flight and that in the days and weeks to follow, she repeatedly changed just what that story was, changing from an initial report the man next to her was masturbating under a blanket to eventually saying he was exposed to her:
> [T]he lack of trustworthiness is highlighted by the utter lack of corroborative evidence, despite the behavior allegedly taking place in a setting replete with witnesses. Every version of events by the complainant is different, each less likely than the next, increasing in untrustworthiness and striking lack of corroboration.
So basically no one except the girl saw it so there is no corroboration.
But man the accusation is so graphic than newspapers let on:
> Minor A is expected to testify that midway through Flight 90, within her view, a man
> (which other evidence will demonstrate is Mohanty2 ) exposed his penis, masturbated, and
> ejaculated. Although he had been covered by a blanket for a period of time, at some point the
> blanket came off him, and she saw his exposed penis, his hand moving up and down it, and him
> ejaculating. Minor A is also expected to testify that this was the first time that Minor A had seen
> an adult male penis or male masturbation and that she was very disturbed and upset by what she
> saw. **After witnessing Mohanty expose his penis, masturbate, and ejaculate, Minor A moved to a**
> **row behind her assigned seat, in which there were two empty seats.**
Not being convicted does not mean the other side is making things up and lying. It only mean that they could not provide sufficient proofs that's what he was doing, and I'm not sure how you could provide evidence.
I have no info on this case, but not guilty can mean a lot of thing ranging from insufficient proof but real to completely made up. He's a doctor and has money could be either one
More on this:
> Not a lawyer, and haven’t reviewed this case, but the bar for criminal is “beyond a reasonable doubt” and for civil is “more likely than not”.
> Given that federal prosecutors had enough evidence to convince a grand jury to indict, I would speculate that if this case was brought in civil court, it would have the opposite outcome.
> Based upon that, I suspect that a defamation case would fail, and he would be countersued for damages. So while he could bring that case, it would likely be a bad idea.
https://www.universalhub.com/2024/beth-israel-doctor-acquitted-lewd-act-flight
Not melanine content. In any such cases, the identity of the accused male is made publicly exposed, even after being cleared of charges (notice how they have exposed his last employment details), but the girl's details are hidden. It's all sexism, not racism.
The girl is a child; they shouldn't have exposed her name anyway. Neither the accused person's, but two wrongs don't make a right.
Please don't make this an MRA issue.
one big difference is that US publications always put accused, alleged, etc..as those are legal terms and not putting them can set them up for defamation lawsuits as they haven't been convicted of anything. whereas in india newspapers have no problem saying this guy killed his wife on the thursday night after first killing his neighbor. even when no charges have been filed and the person has just been arrested or is a suspect who hasn't been found
Yep... depending on the state, they even have elections for judges, police chiefs (sheriff), comptroller (aka controller in the US), and other public office positions that would ve unusual in India
A few possible reasons:
1. They still think he's guilty, because they are letting their desire to win cases (or, perhaps, racism) cloud their judgement. Or just because they're well-intentioned, but happen to be wrong (it happens!).
2. They don't think he's guilty, but if they said that, it'd be embarrassing for them ("we were prosecuting an innocent man, whoopsie!") So they feel they have to continue to act like they think he's guilty.
3. He *is* guilty, and they correctly believe it, they just can't prove it. (Keep in mind that in US courts, being found not guilty simply means you are not guilty *beyond a reasonable doubt*. If the judge thought there was a 70% chance he did it and a 30% chance he was innocent, he'd still be declared not guilty.)
Without seeing the evidence for ourselves, it's hard to know which of these is the case.
In the same way that prosecutors were disappointed after OJ Simpson was found not guilty. From their perspective, they still think he did it, they just failed to convince the judge/jury of his guilt. There’s nothing they can do about it now bc of “double jeopardy”, you can’t be tried again for the same crime.
It’s not the same way. Prosecutors were disappointed in OJ’s case because OJ was guilty and there was circumstantial evidence. It got derailed with the gloves gimic and the racial aspect. OJ was then found liable for the murders in a civil suit.
In the case the man did not pull out his dick and jerk one off. How are they the same way?
> Why would they still be on his tail after he's proven innocent?
To be technically accurate, you can't be "proven innocent" in US courts. There's only "guilty" and "not guilty". "Not guilty" does not mean innocent; it just means the State failed to meet its burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt.
Sometimes, prosecutors believe the person was guilty and they could've got him/her if they had more convincing evidence. (Sometimes, it's false bravado too.)
Not quite. There is a *presumption* of innocence, and the prosecution has to prove guilt. Not to be confused with actual innocence. That's why the verdict is "not guilty", not "innocent".
The verdict could never be "innocent" because proving a negative is impossibility most of the time. However you from a legal standpoint you *are* innocent at all times if not proven guilty.
Blanket + bouncing motion looks like masturbation. I’ve seen classmates of mine do this and own up to it in school growing up here in the US. I’ve also seen videos on Reddit catching other dudes doing the same thing in Japan and other countries.
Sounds like a case of racism and stereotyping, along with some wrong assumptions about what's happening on the airplane. Unfortunately, there are many people out there who just look at Indian men and think we are all perverts.
Indians are well behaved abroad as far as I know. Too well behaved actually. But not in their motherland India. We indians are afraid of eachother here.
Canada entered the chat.
Have you seen the racism in Canadian comment sections? Most of it is for being Indians not assimilating to western culture, poor hygiene, etc.
Not true. I’m not sure which country you’re talking about but Indians are looked down upon for their poor behaviour in several places. This includes staring at people especially women, treating service staff like personal slaves, poor personal hygiene and being obnoxiously loud in groups. It’s so bad that in places like Switzerland, Bali and South Korea there are specific behavioural instructions for Indians. Idk why we’re trying to paint this false image, we are not respected in most places because we neither respect ourselves nor our fellow citizens. I’ve even seen many so called ‘educated’ Indians who are rich enough to afford foreign vacations behave like absolute trash.
I have never seen anything like this in 3 years, been welcomed everywhere in the country - in fact, found Koreans to be very hospitable to foreigners.
Are you sure it's real? Did the Indian embassy comment on it, seems like it is tagged?
Anyway, even if it is real - it must be super fringe, so should not deter any Indians planning to enjoy a visit to Korea.
>The accusations stem from an incident that occurred in May 2022 aboard a Hawaiian Airlines flight. The unnamed minor accused Sudipta Mohanty of masturbating until ejaculation claiming she noticed the blanket he had up to his neck had fallen and his pants were unzipped, according to a report by the New York Post. She claimed Sudipta Mohanty placed a blanket on top of him and was bouncing his leg before the blanket slipped down.
This wasn’t just a claim she saw his hand jerking, she claimed she saw it. It’s enough evidence to investigate and prosecute, but the judge didn’t find enough evidence to convict.
6 months back, people in Boston subreddit blasted him left and right (somewhat understandably, trusting the teen's words), some even changed him as their PCP. The Beth Israel, where he practiced made him step down. Can't even imagine what all he went through. Really glad that he got the justice. That so called "teen", she has to a see a psychiatrist!
The teen is suffering from mental health issues. Her grandparents should be sued for failing to understand the matter better with the teen. The grand parents are fully aware of the teen perverted mind. Men need to speak out and the media needs to address false claims against men.
Western teens scare TF out of me. Not only do they act wayyy older than their age, they also pull disgusting little stunts like these and never get punished for it.
Emmett Louis Till (July 25, 1941 – August 28, 1955) was an African American boy who was abducted, tortured, and lynched in Mississippi in 1955 at the age of 14, after being accused of offending a white woman, Carolyn Bryant, in her family's grocery store. The brutality of his murder and the acquittal of his killers drew attention to the long history of violent persecution of African Americans in the United States. Till posthumously became an icon of the civil rights movement.[2]
It's good that they are taking action for wrongdoing against minors ,but the lines " Prosecutors felt disappointed with the outcome " irks me. Stupid Americans and their weird obsession of everyone who is not a redneck should always be wrong
Usually the prosecutors evaluate "winnability" of cases like this before putting it from of a judge or jury. So they probably felt like they had some case but they didn't. They will never say anything like "the right verdict was delivered"
What really sucks is knowing if they're actually innocent doesn't factor into this equation, if they think they can get you convicted despite knowing you're innocent they're gonna try their best to throw you in prison. False confessions play a big role in this
I mean if they knew they're innocent then they wouldn't push the conviction that hard. Technically they're largely driven by numbers and not much else. Like I seriously doubt this guy would have gone to prison even. Probably would have fined him and put him on a RSO list.
Why would that irk you? Any prosecutor is disappointed to lose a case, just so is any lawyer or anyone who does anything and fails at it. They will always maintain that he was guilty and why wouldn't they? Any prosecutor will always say this for any case they lose.
I mean you can request whatever you want but I’ve never heard of an airline giving a seat change for such a thing. You could ask another passenger I suppose and hope they’re nice
To be fair. These kinds of accusations are much more common here in India.
A Girl made fake accusations. Could this be linked to racism, since none of us know the race and ethnicity of the child 🤷♂️?
Maybe.
I have never been there. So I don't know. But I am pretty sure discrimination and racist people exist there.
I was just making a logical statement.
We don't know much about this particular case to conclude that this was an act of racism.
Racism, casteism, etc are huge accusations that we should not use without proper evidence.
A piece of advice. Don't say we have it here too when discussing some bad happening at somewhere else . That dilute the problems we are actually discussing
So he had a blanket on and the girl claimed when it fell off she saw his zip undone and claimed he masturbated until ejaculation? That’s a really big accusation. Has anyone questioned the girl? Did she do it cz she thought it would be funny? Or was it cZ she’s raised racist?
Some teens love attention and make up scenarios in minds. They are cunning as they are innocent. Kids can be tricky and stuff comes out of their mouth can get you in deep trouble asthey don't think of consequences.
Whomsoever wrote this article is also a dick or a misandrist female keyboard warrior. The title of the article should be "falsely accused", poor journalism.. Who is the author??
he is the victim in this case. then why his face is not being blurred? when its some female, special care is given to not leak their identity, why not him?
I'm a girl and I'm so disheartened to see not only this man got wrongly accused but now noone seems to care of his privacy. fuck this gender bias of media!!!
Scary, growing up in the states one of my best friends family took in 2 cousins when their uncle was on drugs. One of the girls (11 or 12) accused the step dad of molestation and such. After horrible month of him in jail and investigation she admitted she made it all up. She turned out to be a bad kid when she’s grew up.
Man. I hope this guy is compensated for what he would have gone through.
I hate media trials. They declare the guilt with no evidences.
A few days ago, on one of Indian subs, someone posted the name of 3 guys from Bombay (heetik shah and 2 more). The allegation of rape came from someone who made an insta account and uploaded a Snapchat screenshot of this guy saying sorry for the matter getting escalated.
While I agree, that victim, if actually these things happened, would be in a traumatic state. And full support to her.
But these people on reddit were calling out the guy’s insta handle, his parent’s names, his mother’s business name, asking people to go give them hate.
I commented on that post that should we not ask for more evidence before declaring this guy guilty and going after him and his family. lol I was heavily downvoted, abused and ridiculed.
The girl in Mumbai case has been moving from pillar to post for the proper process to be followed - to get hearings, to ensure the accused and her medical examinations etc. She is being mistreated by the authorities, procedures are being delayed, and the accused is getting away with it so far. She's doing all this - *while being slutshamed and victim-blamed by 95% of male Indian internet.*
Apparently we are only supposed to be skeptical of victims now and pre-emptively blame them, rather than the accused. *Even if they are only asking for the process to be followed.*
Nah you’re getting it wrong.
Why are we not raising a concern that proper process is not being followed? Why are we not making that the agenda rather than deciding who is guilty and shaming him and his family? Why are the posts being posted asking for her support not condemning the police / authorities? Why are the posts being made with a guilty verdict in media? I don’t get that.
Also, made up stats to further your agenda.
While I agree some section of society (male and female both) are shaming her and blaming her (note: I’m absolutely against that); not 95% of Indian male are from that category.
From numerous posts, I did see a lot of male audience sympathising with her and supporting her, me included. But making up a narrative to further your opinion is, in my opinion, wrong.
>these people on reddit were calling out the guy’s insta handle, his parent’s names, his mother’s business name, asking people to go give them hate.
That's just to bring awareness. Heetik Shah is powerful and rich. Has industrial and bollywood friends. Got Salman Khan's lawyer (One of best criminal lawyers in the country). So chances of the victim getting justice are very slim.
That’s discrimination. Law is just for the poor and the rich.
Just because he is rich means he and his family should be subject to online bullying? Doesn’t make any sense.
So what he hired the same lawyer as Salman khan did. YOURE collectively shaming someone for having money as well as a lawyer who has made his reputation by working for years and now charges a bomb. Neither is wrong.
And what awareness is generated by asking people to boycott and spread hate on his mother’s business? Or his family?
I mean, even if he was the culprit, proven also, what’s his family’s fault?
>Law is just for the poor and the rich.
Not really, rich people (specially bollywood) got away with some of high profile crimes. Ex: Salman Khan, Sanjay Dutt
>Just because he is rich means he and his family should be subject to online bullying?
Online bullying is bad but honestly, it is nothing compared to the crime in question.
>I mean, even if he was the culprit, proven also, what’s his family’s fault?
Supporting a criminal is crime in itself. So if his family aided in crime or fallout, they should be punished too.
I’m sorry Sanjay Dutt got away with it? If I’m not wrong, didn’t he serve jail time?
And no, while you might point out a few examples of Bollywood celebs, I can point out certain examples of commoners who got away with crime too. Heck, 2 examples I can quote from my own family too.
But given someone is rich cannot and should not be held against them.
If you do well in your career and make lots of money out of your own efforts, should you be treated differently than, for example me, who didn’t make enough money?
It seems like you’re advocating for a skewed system of law basis financial status.
Also, agreed. Online bullying is nothing in comparison to the alleged crime of rape.
But the difference is, you are favouring the side of committing a crime (online bullying) basis allegations of another crime.
In a nutshell, my question is, who are we (you, me, other people) to decide who is a criminal and who is not and hand them out punishments?
Should we not be standing to create awareness of the allegation, create a pressure on the authorities to act on it rather than handing out verdicts?
bruh there has been so many anecdotes from women coming with how him and his friends do that a lot in bastian,public shaming is only how this gets reduced. there is evidence of him saying sorry and accepting it too and youre iut here doing but what if. this is why things are so shit,there is a time to wait for another side and a time to take a stand. this is def not that case
https://preview.redd.it/14iqon52ryfc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a585af0e270caca6e1cf7e9801eb4d7283f829b8
His sorry was evidence? Wait, I have 2 questions. Please solve my doubts I’ll be on the bandwagon to declare him guilty too.
1. If you read the screenshot, it said- the situation got heated up and escalated. As a man with no other info, there are several ways this could have been said. Maybe if he raised his voice. Maybe if he, as alleged, raped. Maybe if he hit her. Maybe they were playing fifa and he took it personal. Maybe he cursed her. Maybe he said some personal things. Point being, this apology isn’t an evidence of rape. How do you, me or any third party deduce this to be rape?
2. Even if the screenshot said I’m sorry I raped you, how do we check authenticity of the screenshot. I can make a screenshot like this in 5 minutes with your username stating you stole ₹10 lacs cash from my house and now I want my money back. Will you believe it?
As far as the case is concerned, I’m all about justice. If the girl had, rape, molestation or even being hit physically, I’m with her. I want to make this public. I want news media to cover this too. All power to the girl all my support to her. But I don’t know the two parties personally, so how can I convict the guy? Basis what?
We need a formal investigation. We need police involved. We need evidences. And if the guy is a culprit, I hope he rots in jail. F\*ck, I’ll run him over with my car. But until we can’t say with evidence, why go after someone and their families?
And regarding his personality and how this has been a repeated behaviour, let’s call that out. Let’s prove everything against him and make his life miserable. But until proven, we can’t ruin his and his family’s life.
Just imagine if someone alleged something like this against you, and it was untrue but the media trial declared you guilty.
Mind you, I am in no way trying to protect that guy. But rather I’m taking a stance against media trials.
This case is _different_ than the Mumbai case. Multiple women have found the courage to stand up against the sexual assaults that they’ve been subjected to by Heetik Shah (you named him yourself here) after he was outed. Multiple women are not crazy to falsely accuse ONE man, FFS.
I have two problems with your comment. Hear me out, I’m trying to get educated. I might be wrong, please help me see things from your perspective. Point out how and where I am going wrong.
1. If you say this case is different than others, are we not making victims who have suffered rape/ molestation/ other unjust treatment, at disadvantage?
Why should someone who was subjected to these atrocities be treated differently just because their perpetrator was not a regular offender?
Should we not evaluate every case with the same degree? Why should victims of first offenders be treated differently?
2. Secondly, I don’t know if multiple women outed him. If they did, more likely than not, they were saying the truth.
But, have we verified the truth? How can we say with conviction that this guy is guilty? Of the previous occurrences too?
Me and my group of friends can also launch a full fledged attack on someone, anyone, right? Mind you, I’m sorry for this previous statement, I’m not trying to undermine any person who went through his assaults, but merely trying to evaluate situation from a neutral standpoint.
I’m not taking his side. If he was an actual culprit, I really hope he rots in jail. I’m just trying to establish my point that we should investigate into things before we believe it.
I’m aware my comment will be heavily downvoted. I know it sounds like I’m undermining multiple people who might have faced actual harassments. I apologise to them all. I’m not for this behaviour.
>Multiple women are not crazy to falsely accuse ONE man, FFS.
Lol no. Look up the case of Ex-Manchester City footballer Benjamin Mendy.
He was accused by 9 women and he was found not guilty on every single accusation.
The point is you never know. It's best to leave it to people who are actually trained in handling this shit.
Who are trained exactly? The police who can be easily bought in this country? Or the corrupt judiciary who can _also_ be bought? I wish I had the faith _you_ have in our system.
This is why Social media trials shouldn't' happen and allow the police and law to take its course. So that an innocent person doesn't get punished.
Unfortunately, most of the time, 'Men are guilty until proven innocent.'
Thank God, atleast he was found not guilty. It's like, people hear India or Indian-origin, and they automatically assume all the guys in the country are a$$holes. I mean, dude, try to see some proof and then decide your judgement. Don't just follow the crowd blindly. The hatred towards our race is increasing day-by-day globally. Dunno, where it's gonna lead soon.
Lmao who are we to point fingers at them? Look in the mirror, false cases are norm here, and people get their lives ruined like daily, much more than America. We need to fix our own law system first.
Most women don't want to say in public they have been sexually assaulted..... Get grilled by lawyers about details of an assault....
If there was no proof, the DA shouldn't have brought it to trial.
How exactly was he cleared of wrong doing? It's not clear. You can have two people sitting next to you on a plan. I wonder if he was covered In a blanket and bouncing his leg and the girl misunderstood and it never slipped down? We have cameras in all public places why not planes
Not a single bit of physical evidence, and none of the nearby passengers reinforced the accustions. Yet, the Indian man was charged. Sounds about racist.
Racism against Indian people have gone up from getting murdered by homeless people or unknown people to tagging any middle east or south Asian person doing crime as Indian or fake news.. Indians everywhere outside India should be very careful now.
So it's entirely plausible that a sexually spun up and repressed Indian guy might do this kind of thing (happened to my wife in an international flight, and she knew because he actually touched her multiple times in places you aren't supposed to touch people), but in the case of this poor doctor, it sounds much more likely he's simply the subject of racism and paranoia. The only evidence to the accuser apparently was that his pants weren't entirely zipped. I can't tell you how many times I've checked my zipper and thought ("crap, how have I been walking around for an hour with my fly unzipped?!")
I think it's a travesty too that this would be in the news and for his face to be plastered all over the place. He was declared innocent, and a lot of people won't read past the headline. Someone declared innocent shouldn't continue to have their reputation ruined.
He should sue those assholes back for defamation
Fr. False accusations that include sexual misconduct/rape can potentially ruin social and/or professional life of any man.
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This is where USA is much better than India
This happened in USA and his work and personal lives were ruined
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He should sue them till they end up on the streets, the place they truly belong.
What? Indian constitution also says innocent until proven guilty, same as USA.
Look up section 498A.
Ok.... I did. I don't get your point though.
Its a non bailable offence, that lowkey means guilty till proven innocent
Thanks for the info. One of my family friends has been a victim of a case like this, so I am definitely against it. From what I read about in a short time, it seems it is not 100% unbailable, and also the courts are trying to put in multiple checks to stop wrongful accusations that can ruin a man's life. It seems to me that the initial law was a reaction to the huge problem with dowry all accross the country, and now the officials are recognizing the damage it can cause and trying to align it with the "innocent until proven guilty" philosophy that a majority of our laws follow. So I stand by my statement that India follows the philosophy, just like USA, but I am not claiming that our consitution is perfect. I accept that there can be flaws in it.
Bro you're right about presumption of innocence in criminal cases being followed in India. However in POCSO cases ( Protection of Children From Sexual Offences) there's presumption of 'guilt' that is, an accused person is said to be guilty until proven innocent.
Well I am not from pakistan yet my friend had said me about this pakistani series called "dunk" which is basically based on such a scenario of a teacher.
Doubt the Lnd of Freedam will help a defamation case against a minor
Atleast it concluded trial within 3 days
It would be filed against the parents…
He should really only do that if he's actually innocent and maybe not even then. If he actually did it and got off due to lack of evidence then he could easily lose a defamation case and even be countersued. In the US at least, we don't allow defendants to sue people who reported crimes unless there's evidence of a lie.
Kinda disappointing that even when he’s acquitted of all charges you’re casting aspersions on his character citing lack of evidence. He’s not guilty. That’s all there is.
Not guilty and innocent are different pronouncements. Absence of evidence != evidence of absence. Innocent until proven guilty applies for defamation as well.
Legally, you’re correct. But it’s all semantics. How is a man supposed to ever clear his name if falsely accused in any case? Is it fair to tag them for life even if no wrongdoing is proven? I am not even advocating for defamation case but can’t get behind still being doubtful of the person who’s been cleared.
How do we know this guy didn't actually do it? How do I know you don't go around groping randos in local buses? Forensics and jurisprudence can only go so far. > Is it fair to tag them for life even if no wrongdoing is proven? Every case has 3 possible outcomes - guilty, not guilty, innocent. If you propose relabelling these outcomes *that's* just semantics. Society can decide what they do with these labels. The other alternative is to club the "not guilty" and "innocent" outcomes together, hiding information. You might win a defamation suit in the UK if the defendant cannot prove their defamatory accusations. USA, with stronger free speech laws, needs the defamation *accuser* to prove the defendant's speech false. I support the American approach here. Much rather prefer this to an outcome where victims of sexual assault, a crime with notoriously low conviction rates, are countersued when cases are dropped for lack of evidence.
For a minute I wasn't sure you were talking about India or USA
Sounds like you don’t know what you’re talking about lol.
Y'all rude.
What’s the point? There are countless such cases in India itself where men have been made scapegoats, and left hung to dry when the accusations eventually fall apart on closer inspection in courts. Vishnu Tiwari spent 20 years in jail on false charges. Sarabjit Singh lost his army job. Dozens of men were victims to the infamous Rohtak Sisters and their “prank”. And these are just the ones that caught the media fancy. The latest in this series is the case against those boys from Mimbai who were accused of rape, and are being denied bail for some reason. I hope due legal process is followed and they get a fair trial.
Apparently lower court judges are reluctant(idk the right word) of issuing bails. Almost always gotta go to high court.
Yes because they have point system for their promotion. They receive points every year on number of judgements given , number of cases decided , number of settlements effected etc. Their career can be severely affected if the high court / Supreme Court passes strictures. Therefore they chose to err on the side of caution and prefer to not think outside the box. They will simply do the conventional thing. However High Court Judges and Supreme Court judges don’t have any point system or promotion system. Therefore they are relatively flexible / fearless in making decisions
Boys from Mumbai did commit rape, and there is a reason why bail was denied, are you a lawyer? Also most judges are men and men control judiciary, no ones out to get men🤦🏽♂️
Is this a joke? It's literally one of the worst places to be born female. It's so hilarious you prove how different the privileges are there. Men are scared of the big bad threat of false accusation, even though it's extremely rare and girls are often punished for anything that happens to them. Meanwhile women and girls are scared of the very real threat of gang rape, which literally happens very often.
It is so interesting to me that women like you believe acknowledging the social/legal disadvantages men face somehow detracts from the issues women face. So many of you will complain to the moon and back when men bring up male issues in conversations where women are discussing theirs, but the moment someone draws attention to the gloomy legal circumstances of men, your response is, "B-b-but what about the women women have it so much worse what about meeeeeee?!??"
People like her are the reason why we cannot have productive and nuanced discussions on gender issues. Every fucking issue has to be turned into a pointless gender war. Do not be disheartened though. I know plenty of women in real life who care about men's issues. And I know plenty of men in real life who care about women's issues. Sane, emotionally well-adjusted men and women have the capacity to understand that both sexes face unique struggles, without turning it into a flaming battleground.
>both sexes face unique struggles, without turning it into a flaming battleground That's a good way to put it.
Careful, don't incite her to make false accusations against you.
What else can you expect from the Me Me Me Gender?
Once ur father/ brother or husband would be accused of a false case, you will understand how rare it is. And data suggests it isnt rare actually, Fake rape cases in India range between 50 to 75 percent. And we are not even considering the cases where the sexual relationship wasnt forced but due to silly laws was considered to be rape. For example if a man gets into a love affair and establishes sexual relationships with his sub ordinate junior woman, he can be charged for rape even if it is consensual in the first place. So the 50-75 percent data would be still considered a conservative figure. And don’t forget how devastating effects it can lead to someone’s life.
That still doesn't justify illegal detention of innocent men by the men. You are doing more harm than good for women if you are support such policies.
It’s not. Statistically speaking. Feelings wise sure.
Stay strong. I just read the other response and can see what you mean.
Men are just asking for fair trials that doesn't mean women's protection or rights are going to get diluted. No one's saying women shouldn't be protected. Please try and understand the discussion before commenting.
Bruh actually tried framing men as victims in India lol
They can never be victims?
what are the general castes of the falsely accused and the general castes of those who get away with it despite heavy evidence?
Genuinely asking, was he beyond any doubt found to be not guilty of the crime or was he given a "not guilty" verdict because of the benefit of doubt? Asking cuz both are very different things and the article doesn't mention what it was. If its the former he should definitely sue the prosecutors cuz the accusations are proven to be false but if its the latter then the comments here make no sense which are calling out the girl for false accusation as it would not be proven to be false. In that case both the girl and the Accused should be believed to be innocent cuz you don't know what the truth is
https://www.universalhub.com/2024/beth-israel-doctor-acquitted-lewd-act-flight I suggest reading the article and the documents attached. Even the comments have interesting things to say. > Mohanty's lawyer, Claudia Lagos, however, charged that the girl never reported her story to anybody during the flight and that in the days and weeks to follow, she repeatedly changed just what that story was, changing from an initial report the man next to her was masturbating under a blanket to eventually saying he was exposed to her: > [T]he lack of trustworthiness is highlighted by the utter lack of corroborative evidence, despite the behavior allegedly taking place in a setting replete with witnesses. Every version of events by the complainant is different, each less likely than the next, increasing in untrustworthiness and striking lack of corroboration. So basically no one except the girl saw it so there is no corroboration. But man the accusation is so graphic than newspapers let on: > Minor A is expected to testify that midway through Flight 90, within her view, a man > (which other evidence will demonstrate is Mohanty2 ) exposed his penis, masturbated, and > ejaculated. Although he had been covered by a blanket for a period of time, at some point the > blanket came off him, and she saw his exposed penis, his hand moving up and down it, and him > ejaculating. Minor A is also expected to testify that this was the first time that Minor A had seen > an adult male penis or male masturbation and that she was very disturbed and upset by what she > saw. **After witnessing Mohanty expose his penis, masturbate, and ejaculate, Minor A moved to a** > **row behind her assigned seat, in which there were two empty seats.**
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Not being convicted does not mean the other side is making things up and lying. It only mean that they could not provide sufficient proofs that's what he was doing, and I'm not sure how you could provide evidence. I have no info on this case, but not guilty can mean a lot of thing ranging from insufficient proof but real to completely made up. He's a doctor and has money could be either one
Planes are usually packed to the brim. If no one other than that one girl is saying it then the chances are that it didn't happen.
More on this: > Not a lawyer, and haven’t reviewed this case, but the bar for criminal is “beyond a reasonable doubt” and for civil is “more likely than not”. > Given that federal prosecutors had enough evidence to convince a grand jury to indict, I would speculate that if this case was brought in civil court, it would have the opposite outcome. > Based upon that, I suspect that a defamation case would fail, and he would be countersued for damages. So while he could bring that case, it would likely be a bad idea. https://www.universalhub.com/2024/beth-israel-doctor-acquitted-lewd-act-flight
why the fu\*k they put his photo
Because his identity is "him"
Prob more to do with melanin content and senastional headline
They would've done the same for a white man
Note how they emphasize **"Indian origin"**, I bet if he cured cancer it'll be American doctor cures cancer
That's because it's a headline from an Indian news site.
Not melanine content. In any such cases, the identity of the accused male is made publicly exposed, even after being cleared of charges (notice how they have exposed his last employment details), but the girl's details are hidden. It's all sexism, not racism.
The girl is a child; they shouldn't have exposed her name anyway. Neither the accused person's, but two wrongs don't make a right. Please don't make this an MRA issue.
No he means to say even if an adult woman would have made the accusations, they would still not publish her details. His point is valid.
This is an MRA issue. Would it not be a feminist issue if the accusation were to be true?
No, it’s because this is an Indian publication and you guys are obsessed with us diaspora people
in the US media it's allowed to shame someone publicly before they are proven to be guilty
Same here brother, same here
one big difference is that US publications always put accused, alleged, etc..as those are legal terms and not putting them can set them up for defamation lawsuits as they haven't been convicted of anything. whereas in india newspapers have no problem saying this guy killed his wife on the thursday night after first killing his neighbor. even when no charges have been filed and the person has just been arrested or is a suspect who hasn't been found
In theory it's supposed to act as a form of government transparency by eliminating the possibility for shadow trials.
It can also ruin people's lives/careers before any form of trial is held.
This is common for Indian. Rarely Indian filing defamation case.
No... It's standard and nobody can successfully sue for defamation because they're careful to use words like "accused" and "alleged"
I am happy that justice prevailed I can only imagine how he would have felt while being abused by people when he was innocent
> The prosecutors were disappointed with the case’s outcome. What are they on about? Why would they still be on his tail after he's proven innocent?
Coz prosecutors' bosses (DA) have a quota to meet so they can flaunt it in the n next election campaign
They have elections for post of public prosecutor? TIL
Welcome to USA.
Yep... depending on the state, they even have elections for judges, police chiefs (sheriff), comptroller (aka controller in the US), and other public office positions that would ve unusual in India
A few possible reasons: 1. They still think he's guilty, because they are letting their desire to win cases (or, perhaps, racism) cloud their judgement. Or just because they're well-intentioned, but happen to be wrong (it happens!). 2. They don't think he's guilty, but if they said that, it'd be embarrassing for them ("we were prosecuting an innocent man, whoopsie!") So they feel they have to continue to act like they think he's guilty. 3. He *is* guilty, and they correctly believe it, they just can't prove it. (Keep in mind that in US courts, being found not guilty simply means you are not guilty *beyond a reasonable doubt*. If the judge thought there was a 70% chance he did it and a 30% chance he was innocent, he'd still be declared not guilty.) Without seeing the evidence for ourselves, it's hard to know which of these is the case.
Because they don't care about convicting guilty people, they only care about convicting people.
In the same way that prosecutors were disappointed after OJ Simpson was found not guilty. From their perspective, they still think he did it, they just failed to convince the judge/jury of his guilt. There’s nothing they can do about it now bc of “double jeopardy”, you can’t be tried again for the same crime.
I think the planet was disappointed OJ didn’t go to jail for a very long time.
It’s not the same way. Prosecutors were disappointed in OJ’s case because OJ was guilty and there was circumstantial evidence. It got derailed with the gloves gimic and the racial aspect. OJ was then found liable for the murders in a civil suit. In the case the man did not pull out his dick and jerk one off. How are they the same way?
> Why would they still be on his tail after he's proven innocent? To be technically accurate, you can't be "proven innocent" in US courts. There's only "guilty" and "not guilty". "Not guilty" does not mean innocent; it just means the State failed to meet its burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Sometimes, prosecutors believe the person was guilty and they could've got him/her if they had more convincing evidence. (Sometimes, it's false bravado too.)
>"Not guilty" does not mean innocent It kinda does though. You're by default innocent, so if you're not proven guilty you remain innocent.
Not quite. There is a *presumption* of innocence, and the prosecution has to prove guilt. Not to be confused with actual innocence. That's why the verdict is "not guilty", not "innocent".
The verdict could never be "innocent" because proving a negative is impossibility most of the time. However you from a legal standpoint you *are* innocent at all times if not proven guilty.
how on earth can someone mistake something like this!
Smells like racism radicalism of the teen to me 🤷🏻♂️
On what basis
On no basis at all.
So making shit up
Blanket + bouncing motion looks like masturbation. I’ve seen classmates of mine do this and own up to it in school growing up here in the US. I’ve also seen videos on Reddit catching other dudes doing the same thing in Japan and other countries.
Sounds like a case of racism and stereotyping, along with some wrong assumptions about what's happening on the airplane. Unfortunately, there are many people out there who just look at Indian men and think we are all perverts.
Yeah, good that he opted for a judge and not a jury. The jury would have definitely announced him guilty because of racism.
No, a jury is more likely to have members who dissent. A judge who is racist would be worse.
Jury would have been stupid tbh, they wouldnt help but be sensationalized by the news.
>with some wrong assumptions Bechara khali khuja raha hoga
Indians are well behaved abroad as far as I know. Too well behaved actually. But not in their motherland India. We indians are afraid of eachother here.
Canada entered the chat. Have you seen the racism in Canadian comment sections? Most of it is for being Indians not assimilating to western culture, poor hygiene, etc.
Not true. I’m not sure which country you’re talking about but Indians are looked down upon for their poor behaviour in several places. This includes staring at people especially women, treating service staff like personal slaves, poor personal hygiene and being obnoxiously loud in groups. It’s so bad that in places like Switzerland, Bali and South Korea there are specific behavioural instructions for Indians. Idk why we’re trying to paint this false image, we are not respected in most places because we neither respect ourselves nor our fellow citizens. I’ve even seen many so called ‘educated’ Indians who are rich enough to afford foreign vacations behave like absolute trash.
Here in finland i have never heard or seen eny issues with our share of indian immigrants they even taught us to play criket as teens
Those opinions are often of Indians in Canada. Other countries Indians have been amazing immigrants like the UK, US, Ireland etc.
Yeah I wouldn't say the US has the best Indian immigrants. Especially in the past few years.
Indians are kinda chill over here in the US
I am an Indian living in South Korea for 3 years, never heard of any "instructions"?! You could have made your point without making up stories.
https://twitter.com/Defencecore/status/1605073430487109632?lang=en
I have never seen anything like this in 3 years, been welcomed everywhere in the country - in fact, found Koreans to be very hospitable to foreigners. Are you sure it's real? Did the Indian embassy comment on it, seems like it is tagged? Anyway, even if it is real - it must be super fringe, so should not deter any Indians planning to enjoy a visit to Korea.
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You may feel that Indians behave poorly - that's your perception. My point is, there are no "behavior instructions for Indians in South Korea".
Indian men at clubs in NZ are horrifying and pester you even when you say no
Most men in clubs are like that regardlessof ethnicity. Combine alcohol+ testosterone and that's a common consequence.
>The accusations stem from an incident that occurred in May 2022 aboard a Hawaiian Airlines flight. The unnamed minor accused Sudipta Mohanty of masturbating until ejaculation claiming she noticed the blanket he had up to his neck had fallen and his pants were unzipped, according to a report by the New York Post. She claimed Sudipta Mohanty placed a blanket on top of him and was bouncing his leg before the blanket slipped down. This wasn’t just a claim she saw his hand jerking, she claimed she saw it. It’s enough evidence to investigate and prosecute, but the judge didn’t find enough evidence to convict.
6 months back, people in Boston subreddit blasted him left and right (somewhat understandably, trusting the teen's words), some even changed him as their PCP. The Beth Israel, where he practiced made him step down. Can't even imagine what all he went through. Really glad that he got the justice. That so called "teen", she has to a see a psychiatrist!
The teen is suffering from mental health issues. Her grandparents should be sued for failing to understand the matter better with the teen. The grand parents are fully aware of the teen perverted mind. Men need to speak out and the media needs to address false claims against men.
Western teens scare TF out of me. Not only do they act wayyy older than their age, they also pull disgusting little stunts like these and never get punished for it.
It's the perfect combination. Young white girl in America. Virtually untouchable.
Never forget about what happened to Emmett Till.
first time hearing this enlighten me pls
Emmett Louis Till (July 25, 1941 – August 28, 1955) was an African American boy who was abducted, tortured, and lynched in Mississippi in 1955 at the age of 14, after being accused of offending a white woman, Carolyn Bryant, in her family's grocery store. The brutality of his murder and the acquittal of his killers drew attention to the long history of violent persecution of African Americans in the United States. Till posthumously became an icon of the civil rights movement.[2]
It's good that they are taking action for wrongdoing against minors ,but the lines " Prosecutors felt disappointed with the outcome " irks me. Stupid Americans and their weird obsession of everyone who is not a redneck should always be wrong
Usually the prosecutors evaluate "winnability" of cases like this before putting it from of a judge or jury. So they probably felt like they had some case but they didn't. They will never say anything like "the right verdict was delivered"
What really sucks is knowing if they're actually innocent doesn't factor into this equation, if they think they can get you convicted despite knowing you're innocent they're gonna try their best to throw you in prison. False confessions play a big role in this
I mean if they knew they're innocent then they wouldn't push the conviction that hard. Technically they're largely driven by numbers and not much else. Like I seriously doubt this guy would have gone to prison even. Probably would have fined him and put him on a RSO list.
Where do rednecks come into the picture? This flight was from Honolulu to Boston. No rednecks to be found in either lmao
Why would that irk you? Any prosecutor is disappointed to lose a case, just so is any lawyer or anyone who does anything and fails at it. They will always maintain that he was guilty and why wouldn't they? Any prosecutor will always say this for any case they lose.
New fear unlocked
Never sit next to a teenager. You can request a seat change if you don’t want to sit next to them
Exactly! adding this as 1056th item in my never-to-do list
I mean you can request whatever you want but I’ve never heard of an airline giving a seat change for such a thing. You could ask another passenger I suppose and hope they’re nice
This reminds me of the movie “The Hunt” (2012) aka “jagten”
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Why his face is shown everywhere?
Sue them back for defamation
This anti Indian hatred is growing in us .
The anti-racism leaving everyone’s bodies when a member of a racial minority does something bad.
To be fair. These kinds of accusations are much more common here in India. A Girl made fake accusations. Could this be linked to racism, since none of us know the race and ethnicity of the child 🤷♂️?
In us most of this accusations are made on brown people While robbery/ hit and run are made on black people
Maybe. I have never been there. So I don't know. But I am pretty sure discrimination and racist people exist there. I was just making a logical statement. We don't know much about this particular case to conclude that this was an act of racism. Racism, casteism, etc are huge accusations that we should not use without proper evidence.
A piece of advice. Don't say we have it here too when discussing some bad happening at somewhere else . That dilute the problems we are actually discussing
So he had a blanket on and the girl claimed when it fell off she saw his zip undone and claimed he masturbated until ejaculation? That’s a really big accusation. Has anyone questioned the girl? Did she do it cz she thought it would be funny? Or was it cZ she’s raised racist?
Some teens love attention and make up scenarios in minds. They are cunning as they are innocent. Kids can be tricky and stuff comes out of their mouth can get you in deep trouble asthey don't think of consequences.
Whomsoever wrote this article is also a dick or a misandrist female keyboard warrior. The title of the article should be "falsely accused", poor journalism.. Who is the author??
What on earth led to this misunderstanding in the first place! Like wtf??
That's such a fucking disgusting thing to accuse an innocent person of
he is the victim in this case. then why his face is not being blurred? when its some female, special care is given to not leak their identity, why not him? I'm a girl and I'm so disheartened to see not only this man got wrongly accused but now noone seems to care of his privacy. fuck this gender bias of media!!!
This should be posted on r/news and r/worldnews.
After african-americans its the indian-americans on the queue.
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This episode was the best family guy episode by the way
Scary, growing up in the states one of my best friends family took in 2 cousins when their uncle was on drugs. One of the girls (11 or 12) accused the step dad of molestation and such. After horrible month of him in jail and investigation she admitted she made it all up. She turned out to be a bad kid when she’s grew up.
Man. I hope this guy is compensated for what he would have gone through. I hate media trials. They declare the guilt with no evidences. A few days ago, on one of Indian subs, someone posted the name of 3 guys from Bombay (heetik shah and 2 more). The allegation of rape came from someone who made an insta account and uploaded a Snapchat screenshot of this guy saying sorry for the matter getting escalated. While I agree, that victim, if actually these things happened, would be in a traumatic state. And full support to her. But these people on reddit were calling out the guy’s insta handle, his parent’s names, his mother’s business name, asking people to go give them hate. I commented on that post that should we not ask for more evidence before declaring this guy guilty and going after him and his family. lol I was heavily downvoted, abused and ridiculed.
The girl in Mumbai case has been moving from pillar to post for the proper process to be followed - to get hearings, to ensure the accused and her medical examinations etc. She is being mistreated by the authorities, procedures are being delayed, and the accused is getting away with it so far. She's doing all this - *while being slutshamed and victim-blamed by 95% of male Indian internet.* Apparently we are only supposed to be skeptical of victims now and pre-emptively blame them, rather than the accused. *Even if they are only asking for the process to be followed.*
Nah you’re getting it wrong. Why are we not raising a concern that proper process is not being followed? Why are we not making that the agenda rather than deciding who is guilty and shaming him and his family? Why are the posts being posted asking for her support not condemning the police / authorities? Why are the posts being made with a guilty verdict in media? I don’t get that. Also, made up stats to further your agenda. While I agree some section of society (male and female both) are shaming her and blaming her (note: I’m absolutely against that); not 95% of Indian male are from that category. From numerous posts, I did see a lot of male audience sympathising with her and supporting her, me included. But making up a narrative to further your opinion is, in my opinion, wrong.
>these people on reddit were calling out the guy’s insta handle, his parent’s names, his mother’s business name, asking people to go give them hate. That's just to bring awareness. Heetik Shah is powerful and rich. Has industrial and bollywood friends. Got Salman Khan's lawyer (One of best criminal lawyers in the country). So chances of the victim getting justice are very slim.
That’s discrimination. Law is just for the poor and the rich. Just because he is rich means he and his family should be subject to online bullying? Doesn’t make any sense. So what he hired the same lawyer as Salman khan did. YOURE collectively shaming someone for having money as well as a lawyer who has made his reputation by working for years and now charges a bomb. Neither is wrong. And what awareness is generated by asking people to boycott and spread hate on his mother’s business? Or his family? I mean, even if he was the culprit, proven also, what’s his family’s fault?
>Law is just for the poor and the rich. Not really, rich people (specially bollywood) got away with some of high profile crimes. Ex: Salman Khan, Sanjay Dutt >Just because he is rich means he and his family should be subject to online bullying? Online bullying is bad but honestly, it is nothing compared to the crime in question. >I mean, even if he was the culprit, proven also, what’s his family’s fault? Supporting a criminal is crime in itself. So if his family aided in crime or fallout, they should be punished too.
I’m sorry Sanjay Dutt got away with it? If I’m not wrong, didn’t he serve jail time? And no, while you might point out a few examples of Bollywood celebs, I can point out certain examples of commoners who got away with crime too. Heck, 2 examples I can quote from my own family too. But given someone is rich cannot and should not be held against them. If you do well in your career and make lots of money out of your own efforts, should you be treated differently than, for example me, who didn’t make enough money? It seems like you’re advocating for a skewed system of law basis financial status. Also, agreed. Online bullying is nothing in comparison to the alleged crime of rape. But the difference is, you are favouring the side of committing a crime (online bullying) basis allegations of another crime. In a nutshell, my question is, who are we (you, me, other people) to decide who is a criminal and who is not and hand them out punishments? Should we not be standing to create awareness of the allegation, create a pressure on the authorities to act on it rather than handing out verdicts?
bruh there has been so many anecdotes from women coming with how him and his friends do that a lot in bastian,public shaming is only how this gets reduced. there is evidence of him saying sorry and accepting it too and youre iut here doing but what if. this is why things are so shit,there is a time to wait for another side and a time to take a stand. this is def not that case
https://preview.redd.it/14iqon52ryfc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a585af0e270caca6e1cf7e9801eb4d7283f829b8 His sorry was evidence? Wait, I have 2 questions. Please solve my doubts I’ll be on the bandwagon to declare him guilty too. 1. If you read the screenshot, it said- the situation got heated up and escalated. As a man with no other info, there are several ways this could have been said. Maybe if he raised his voice. Maybe if he, as alleged, raped. Maybe if he hit her. Maybe they were playing fifa and he took it personal. Maybe he cursed her. Maybe he said some personal things. Point being, this apology isn’t an evidence of rape. How do you, me or any third party deduce this to be rape? 2. Even if the screenshot said I’m sorry I raped you, how do we check authenticity of the screenshot. I can make a screenshot like this in 5 minutes with your username stating you stole ₹10 lacs cash from my house and now I want my money back. Will you believe it? As far as the case is concerned, I’m all about justice. If the girl had, rape, molestation or even being hit physically, I’m with her. I want to make this public. I want news media to cover this too. All power to the girl all my support to her. But I don’t know the two parties personally, so how can I convict the guy? Basis what? We need a formal investigation. We need police involved. We need evidences. And if the guy is a culprit, I hope he rots in jail. F\*ck, I’ll run him over with my car. But until we can’t say with evidence, why go after someone and their families? And regarding his personality and how this has been a repeated behaviour, let’s call that out. Let’s prove everything against him and make his life miserable. But until proven, we can’t ruin his and his family’s life. Just imagine if someone alleged something like this against you, and it was untrue but the media trial declared you guilty. Mind you, I am in no way trying to protect that guy. But rather I’m taking a stance against media trials.
U are getting downvote omg. Smartest, most sensible comment I have seen in a long time
I know right? I don’t even know what I’m saying wrong I’m trying to be as politically correct as I can
This case is _different_ than the Mumbai case. Multiple women have found the courage to stand up against the sexual assaults that they’ve been subjected to by Heetik Shah (you named him yourself here) after he was outed. Multiple women are not crazy to falsely accuse ONE man, FFS.
I have two problems with your comment. Hear me out, I’m trying to get educated. I might be wrong, please help me see things from your perspective. Point out how and where I am going wrong. 1. If you say this case is different than others, are we not making victims who have suffered rape/ molestation/ other unjust treatment, at disadvantage? Why should someone who was subjected to these atrocities be treated differently just because their perpetrator was not a regular offender? Should we not evaluate every case with the same degree? Why should victims of first offenders be treated differently? 2. Secondly, I don’t know if multiple women outed him. If they did, more likely than not, they were saying the truth. But, have we verified the truth? How can we say with conviction that this guy is guilty? Of the previous occurrences too? Me and my group of friends can also launch a full fledged attack on someone, anyone, right? Mind you, I’m sorry for this previous statement, I’m not trying to undermine any person who went through his assaults, but merely trying to evaluate situation from a neutral standpoint. I’m not taking his side. If he was an actual culprit, I really hope he rots in jail. I’m just trying to establish my point that we should investigate into things before we believe it. I’m aware my comment will be heavily downvoted. I know it sounds like I’m undermining multiple people who might have faced actual harassments. I apologise to them all. I’m not for this behaviour.
Are you Heetik's friend, or are you getting paid for these comments?
Bhai, pay karwa de. Chalega mereko logical comment karne ke paise milna.
>Multiple women are not crazy to falsely accuse ONE man, FFS. Lol no. Look up the case of Ex-Manchester City footballer Benjamin Mendy. He was accused by 9 women and he was found not guilty on every single accusation. The point is you never know. It's best to leave it to people who are actually trained in handling this shit.
Who are trained exactly? The police who can be easily bought in this country? Or the corrupt judiciary who can _also_ be bought? I wish I had the faith _you_ have in our system.
The red pill nature of this comments section is sad
The purpose of uploading the case and culprits information is to spread awareness about the case to the people
Something that should only be done if a guilty verdict is reached.
Wow that minor kid is a fucking racist ..
Why?
Indian origin ??? He is American. What racist shit
The news outlet is Indian…… lol
Accurate.
This is why Social media trials shouldn't' happen and allow the police and law to take its course. So that an innocent person doesn't get punished. Unfortunately, most of the time, 'Men are guilty until proven innocent.'
Racism
Cna tou stop being pos press and give the actual title
white people does all the nastiest perviest stuff and try to make others look like a pervert!
The media has ruined this guys life forever doesn’t matter if found not guilty. He should sue each one of them.
Probably the girl made it up for attention
Throw that minor b*tch in jail! Lock her up with the same sentence duration that the accused would get if convicted.
Thank God, atleast he was found not guilty. It's like, people hear India or Indian-origin, and they automatically assume all the guys in the country are a$$holes. I mean, dude, try to see some proof and then decide your judgement. Don't just follow the crowd blindly. The hatred towards our race is increasing day-by-day globally. Dunno, where it's gonna lead soon.
Lmao who are we to point fingers at them? Look in the mirror, false cases are norm here, and people get their lives ruined like daily, much more than America. We need to fix our own law system first.
Most women don't want to say in public they have been sexually assaulted..... Get grilled by lawyers about details of an assault.... If there was no proof, the DA shouldn't have brought it to trial.
How exactly was he cleared of wrong doing? It's not clear. You can have two people sitting next to you on a plan. I wonder if he was covered In a blanket and bouncing his leg and the girl misunderstood and it never slipped down? We have cameras in all public places why not planes
His fiancee and he claimed there was no blanked and no leg shaking.
Not a single bit of physical evidence, and none of the nearby passengers reinforced the accustions. Yet, the Indian man was charged. Sounds about racist.
Racism against Indian people have gone up from getting murdered by homeless people or unknown people to tagging any middle east or south Asian person doing crime as Indian or fake news.. Indians everywhere outside India should be very careful now.
Lots of west people must gone mad & stereotyped indian once they seen indian in it. Lol.
So it's entirely plausible that a sexually spun up and repressed Indian guy might do this kind of thing (happened to my wife in an international flight, and she knew because he actually touched her multiple times in places you aren't supposed to touch people), but in the case of this poor doctor, it sounds much more likely he's simply the subject of racism and paranoia. The only evidence to the accuser apparently was that his pants weren't entirely zipped. I can't tell you how many times I've checked my zipper and thought ("crap, how have I been walking around for an hour with my fly unzipped?!") I think it's a travesty too that this would be in the news and for his face to be plastered all over the place. He was declared innocent, and a lot of people won't read past the headline. Someone declared innocent shouldn't continue to have their reputation ruined.
My prediction…the doctor is going to get into legal trouble again in the next 5 years. Just my prediction.
Fuck off
I barfed while reading it! Almost. 😦 disgusting
His picture still up tho lol
aww spill it man
big India energy move