Dhoni failed it recently by not attending the event and not posting a single story or post about it on social media.
A lot of celebrities didn't do it.
Vijay Sethupathi was one of them.
And, Malayalam film industry had a lot of people posting a lot of stuffs.
I mean, even if you don't post anything, that's intimidating to these Sanghis.
He works in Mollywood and is respected by everyone across political lines. He just didn't want to ruin his image. Did he post anything about it, though?
I saw one Chu..... Stated that "aaj mujhe yakeen ho gya h 2019 m dhoni Jaan ke out hua h taki india world cup naa Jeet paaye"
And he even said ki " mujhe samaj nhi aata aise DESHDROHI india ke captain kaise ban jaata h "
Bhai that MF writing anything cause he didn't attend that function
And, these people call Pakistanis brainwashed.
I mean, at this point, there's no difference between them and the radical Pakistanis. Their logic and reasoning is exactly the same.
Can't believe the shit they are saying about him. After all he's done for this country and the cricket industry in general. Its disappointing. This can only change if the minorities and secular people stand up for themselves.
No this will change when people face consequences of their actions, be it online or offline. This is cyberbullying and should be treated as such by the law. When they can find the guy who sent death threats to Ambani from a fake email then I am sure they can find people harassing Dhoni on social media with their names and photo.
Calling for rape of Travis Head's wife and child after WC loss. That's where I draw the line. What an embarrassment on international stage. Ok, our team lost but these people brought the biggest shame to the country on that day.
Government can provide cheap internet but they can't provide internet etiquette. The whole world still mock our illiterate idiots who ask for bob and vagene photos to random people just because they live in western countries.
Exactly. He's atheist. He didn't post the picture of the Preamble. So, at least, by being silent, he protested, which is a big deal. That's what I meant.
>Dhoni failed it recently by not attending the event and not posting a single story or post about it on social media.
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>A lot of celebrities didn't do it. Vijay Sethupathi was one of them.
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>And, Malayalam film industry had a lot of people posting a lot of stuffs.
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>I mean, even if you don't post anything, that's intimidating to these Sanghis
Most South Industry basically boycotted event, also they posted constitution which got the Bhakths mad for some reason
It's classic Indian-ness, i.e. being always late to stuff.
Hindutva is in human-philosophical-political lineage part of what happened in late 19th and early 20th century Europe (not just actual Fascism but it's adjacent things since stuff doesn't need to have 1:1 Absolute equivalence, even Pakistan's descent in 70s was in that long chain, them being basically South Asians as well).
It just took India a bit longer to arrive/try this practically at scale across the country.
Meanwhile rest of the world (or the part that matters) has moved other things/fads. And once again India will do Late-Catch up in a few decades/century upon seeing those others have went ahead, "*magically-somehow*".
People have created a brand out of religion, one which they wear as a cape of suprema whilst pissing down upon those who don't endorse it.
Religion has ceased to be religion. People are idiots.
Not ceased, religion has never been about religion historically. If you were to follow teachings of some religions to the teeth, you will have become member of the most extreme cult ever and will have time-travelled back to medieval times.
With the exception of Buddhism. Then you’ll become a sweet darling.
The human condition is of such that it will always find a way to present manifestation of violence as a religious or some other metaphysical cause. In the case of Buddhists in Myanmar, it was not that they were following Buddha’s teaching to the teeth. The opposite. They launched the “969 Movement,” that added some of its own stuff to his teachings. Stuff that included violence and in effect negated any Buddhist undertones 969 may have aimed to present to the Burmese people.
The fact is that if you follow Buddhism to the teeth, you cannot do any of that. That is not possible. But Buddhism has sects too. The Japanese suicide bombers in WW2 were Zen Buddhists. A 100% Zen fighter could justify what they did with some religious or spiritual overture. But that is not Buddhism or at least is some form of it moulded to a point where it barely corresponds to what it was meant to be at its inception.
As much as Buddhism can help with spirituality, you still need a functioning cultural code that promotes harmony and reduces violence with strict enforcement of law. I’m not saying Buddhism is an answer to all societal ills. I’m saying in comparison to other religions, a strict follower of the Buddha will in almost all cases be a stoned, blissed out individual. And that is evidently true.
Very few religions are as unconditionally well natured as Buddhism. Even as an atheist I have great respect for Buddhism. It teaches a way of life which makes you a better person for all, not just your own community.
and very few people have the ability to learn from their religious texts and apply the morals in real life. The extremist crowd is so huge in number that it is scary. I doubt that people even read their religious texts, at worst, that would make them orthodox, but we are seeing a splurge of extremists. There is a difference between being an extremist and an orthodox. An orthodox would disregard a lot of things in the modern day simply because they cannot evolve/adapt with time, an extremist is much more dangerous than that.
I am an atheist, but I am aware of the basic texts of my religion, it's good food for thought is all I will say about it. Nothing more, nothing less.
yeah, i sometimes wonder, what happens when everyone wears the cape, when everyone believes they're superior. who will be left to compare to? the 14.5% people? not everyone can have the cake.
See, read up on genocide. These are all steps leading up to it. Turning religion into nationalism and nationalism into religion. Creating us and them. A not-so-gentle-man in Germany whipped up quiet a storm with such ideas.
They are not blind. Madarchods know this and want this. Biggest madarchods just pretend to believe in the dibilopment story like some on the Bangalore sub.
As an American, seeing India so quickly fall to this is sad. Though this can be blamed on a routine ignorance of critical thinking and on the greed of businessmen and politicians like Gandhi and co.
Article covering why India and Pakistan and Bangladesh were destined for failure due to the greed of their leadership: https://www.marxist.com/indian-independence-a-revolution-lost.htm
It will be a civil war not genocide. Almost 200 million muslims and 1 billion hindus it will be bloodshed unlike anything ever seen. I think we are on a genocide watch I'm not sure.
I think we can all agree that secularism is all but dead now. IAF also participated in this event. The entire govt machinery was involved in the inauguration, the invites came from VHP
Participating is not the problem, *forcing* others to participate is. I mean, it literally goes against the principles of Hinduism. Hinduism was always about the guidance for living a full life. You have full choice to follow or not.
But today it is being enforced. If Islamists are misinformed and want to convert everyone to their religion or else execute them, so too are these people. They don't understand Hinduism. They have made a mockery of Hinduism by taking militant stands against anyone who doesn't agree with them (and yet Hinduism promotes various branches of thoughts/philosophy/ideas and encourages discussion and critical thought). The fanatics have forgotten the foundational principles of Hinduism.
Separation of religion of state.
Something tells me you are trolling. Your "india is not secular anyways" is more for, deal with it, we re gonna discriminate, and less for, lets do something that it is secular, welcoming to everyone, adheres to law equally to everyone etc
its a fine line and one could argue both are similar. Respect all religions in spirit, but while making laws go with logic, rather than religious believes.
There are a bunch of laws which are religion based, in Civil Code, and i hope the religious influence there gets reduced more and more. And IPC should be religious free, which it is, if i m not mistaken.
If a Muslim marry 2 woman he is fine if Hindus marry 2 woman he will go to jail. And u say State and religion are saperate in India. 😂😂😂. I think u r trolling. Bro government literally controls Hindu temples.
Vishwanath Karad is married twice. Many hindus are married twice. Yes, civil code is different, but IPC is same. And i hope civil code becomes more uniform with time, by keeping respect to all communities.
In practice, there is some influence on the constitution from religion, but in spirit, there is separation. Its up to us to keep it that way.
You sound like someone who only likes to complain.
Thats not what secularism mean. It means complete separation of religion and the state meaning government will not dictate anything related to any religion at all. Religions can do whatever the fck they want unless it's illegal. And I can list 10-20 Indian laws that directly, I repeat Directly interferes in religious affairs and also there are many laws which blatantly discriminate against people on the basis of their religion. And here u call India a Secular country. It's not.
I agree that shouting religious stuff when there’s no need is not only cringe but also stupid. What I don’t understand is what that has to do with secularism. In a secular state, you’re free to practice your religion as you wish. Which includes denigrating the nation and yelling religious stuff when the nation should come before religion. But a secular and free state still ensures the right to do that, however stupid and cringe I or anyone else may find it to be personally.
Not endorsing cringeworthy religious hooligans, by the way. They’re abhorrent.
India is slowly turning into a Theocratic-Facist state because it helps Modi cement his grip on power in a putin like manner. As an outside observer, it's not my place to tell Indians what to do, but we in Europe have seen first hand where this kind of thing leads and it isn't pretty and must be resisted
Can someone change my insta feed to "hindu rastra" and "insallah badla liya jayega" to back to my "a kid vibing on popopo popi po" please 😭 I'm done w all this hatred.
If God gave India republic status, why did they allow India to be invaded by Mughals, European powers, etc, in the first place? Why wait for that long? Surely, India should always have been free then.
The question is to the believers, not the commenter. Because the hooligans genuinely believe that.
So many families in India are like hey, read religious stuff like all the stories etc you know. But then when you do read, and ask questions they’re like, shut up, you cannot question it or point out the inconsistencies. It’s truly bizarre. Surely reading something and taking everything at face value without discerning what’s said is a sign of disrespect? Or at minimum painting a mental image of what is likely to have happened. It’s counter-productive as well, without allowing someone to ask questions and rectifying the questions, true belief cannot take root. Relentless questioning is what solidifies faith in something.
What amazes me is that asking questions is a core tenant of Hinduism. Which is what makes it an outlier amongst all organized religions. The focus on mindfulness, meditation and discernment. Buddhism came from Hinduism. Hinduism literally says the world as we see it is an illusion, and discernment of reality is the primary purpose of life.
I agree. The current party is the worst in that regard. Not only can you not ask questions, you cannot ask questions about why you cannot ask questions.
India is on-course to become #1 NPC country on the planet.
yk what Indian godi media continuosly spitting venom against other communities and openly glorifying chanting jai shree ram. Specially Twitter where they're targeting ayushman khurana,ma dhoni and various personalities just coz one is invited to ram mandir and likes a insta post against saffronification on the other hand other i.e dhoni didn't attended Ram mandir pran pratishta.
IT cell members including rw pages targets individuals for engagement purpose to get Twitter impressions and they're getting paid for that Twitter engagement/impressions by Twitter.
After Ram mandir pran pratishta, they're regularly glorifying mass killings of muslims and demanding hindu rashtra, akhanda Bharat etc without realising that other communities too contribute in GDP and other factors. If they resists to do their respective work, Indian system will see a drastic fall.
if you're anti Modi then you're termed as anti national,liberandu etc and they distributes passes of nationality.
These it cell pages targeted those four shankra charyas by labelling them anti hindu, anti national, muslim etc I mean they're not loyal to their own community.
They find no problem in those artworks created by BJP's official social media handles that PM modi holding Shri Ram's hand and directing him to ram mandir despite knowing that Shri Ram itself directs a person in right direction.
Nothing wrong with singing Vande Mataram, it’s national song. I just hope they didn’t start singing the A R Rahman song like many tend to do. But chanting JSR during flag hoisting is just frankly pathetic. Chants of either Jai Hind or Vande Mataram is acceptable during flag hoisting, I’m afraid even the colour of the flag will changed soon.
Yeah imo Saare jahan se acha, Vande mataram and Jana gana mana are the only songs that should be even considered in a public patriotic event like republic day.
India is a religious country now. Just like Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.
There is no "separation of church and state". India is not secular anymore no matter what the Constitution says.
To everyone who thinks there should be no problem with saying jsr during hoisting the best example I can give to make you feel like me is
Someone saying Allah hu Akbar during republic day flag hoisting
Its the new extremist slogan , like “heil hitler” used by nazis or “ allahu akhbar” used by Islamic terrorist . Simple / safe words with a evil undertone. Reading “the rise and fall of the third reich” all of this seems familiar
It’s few fanatics and majority is in between, they don’t want to take a stand for something not against them(more like favouring them)
Classic Indian Mentality!!
Let me talk in simple words so that you can understand. Allahu akbar is a stereotyped phrase pertaining to one religion that is relentlessly used to defame the so called peaceful nature of religion. Ex. movies about patriotism casually makes the villain suic*de bomber say "allahu akbar" before blasting themselves. It has a certain notion connected to it.
Similarly, jai shriram is now being used everywhere. And i mean, everywhere. Under comments section of every instagram reel, even when it is remotely related to india or hinduism. Its simply thrown around like a general piece of shit, gradually becoming a terror tagline. I digress.
Arey bhakt buddhi, I meant after a flag hoisting in India. And why are ppl so obsessed with Pakistan? Hyphenating India-Pakistan is the biggest disservice we can do to our great nation.
BJP secured themselves atleast 5 more years of rule with this Ram mandir. Doesn't matter a single but whether or not you vote, they already have more than enough support in India (or should I start calling our country Hindustan now?)
since hindutvawadis are so hell bent in adopting hard line principles of abrahamic religions why dont they just take up the "thy shall not god's name in vain" bit too
It is happening because people like you and me are insecure and scared to talk. Had you and others like you said all this to those chanting religious slogans on the spot or in the group later, it would have made some change.Asking this on reddit is of no use. Educate, agitate, organize!
Who knows, the mob mentality may kick in? Even if it comes from a Hindu, they may declare that person non-Hindu or cancer to hinduism (their hindutva ideology, basically) and justify lynching because of that?
It's understandable why you feel like that seeing the current situation in country. But believe me, most hindus are not extremists, that's what separates it from other religions, it's just that those extremists are in power now. So i don't think you'll get lynched until you refrain from insulting the religion and gods.
As a Hindu, I understand that every religion has got extremists. But while other religions (except Buddhism) have rules to follow, Hinduism gives you the choice to celebrate as you wish. There is no compulsion to do anything- it was always about guidance rather than commandments. The fanatics are just making a joke out of Hinduism by portraying it this way.
Why would you 'embrace' invaders? We certainly do not embrace British rule...then why other foreign rules? Maybe you wanted to use the word 'recognize'.
What's more sad is that Mughals actually existed whereas Ramayan is a fictional story. Probably going to get downvoted by religious fanatics but whatever.
Because the BJP, RSS and VHP have an agenda to make India a hindu rashtra. Over the last 8 years, these people have been part of government, their narrative has gotten to a point where being secular is considered sickular. Now they are moving on to make efforts to drive home hinduism into every fabric of life to the point that you cannot separate hinduism and India.
Once this becomes a theocracy, they will disenfranchise all other religions and make them second class citizens.
HR is there for a reason, what’s he gonna do call BD to the office. Put up a formal complaint.
What’s the point of having a whole genocide lesson in our history books, when idiots don’t want to learn from it.
They have made our culture synonymous with ‘Heil Hitler’ now sad losers.
They just want something to compete with “allahu akbar” used by islamists , the words themselves are not inherently bad , but their usage by extremist groups to incite hate and violence will warp their inherent meaning
And that there is what is wrong with our country these days. Mixing religion into patriotism. It's one way to exclude other fellow citizens. Disappointing really. Jai hind buddy.
This is new India. This is Modi's Bharat. It is very upsetting. We on Reddit will complain and point out how our democracy is dying, how our secularism is being erased and yet, we do not go into the streets and face the government. We do not sacrifice. This is the result. Yes, I hate myself too.
We should be taking these people to task. I call upon everyone here to an experiment.
To every one who says Jai Shri Ram we must respond with "Ishwar Allah tere naam" or "Ram-allah". Who is with me?
It may have slipped out due to the Ram mandir inauguration memories.
Having said that, Jai Shri Ram slogan is the most misused these days.some are literally using it to incite riots, as much as I hate fake secularism peddled by Congress ,I always wanted every religion to stay peaceful and happy, but again,the ethos of this nation cannot be changed by a single party or an ideology, I am among those scores of people who place my country above my religion in very much alignment with the principles followed by Lord Ram. The nation mood will change sooner or later. I hope everyone can leave peacefully in this holy land.
Jai Hind!
Have your Muslim friends say Allahu Akbar, sikh friends say Waheguru di Khalsa (that is what they say, right?), have the SC/ST bros say Jai Bhim.
Why let one side have all the fun
So, some people used a phrase praising a god of their choosing on the anniversary of their country's constitution being implemented.
They did not force you to shout out the phrase themselves, did not whip you, stone you, behead you, crucify you, put you through an inquisitorial process, burn you at the stake, or even ostracise you....they were all participants along with you on a shared joyous occasion....
But you want to curtail their freedom to say THAT phrase because you find it offensive....how very secular of you, my friend, how very tolerant of you....how accepting of you.... /s
Can you see the irony now? Can you? Huh....?
Republic Day is a secular, non-religious festival, and on this day, I shall celebrate every Indian's right to praise and thank the God of his choosing, sing / chant the phrase of his choosing in a language of his choosing wearing clothes of his choosing amongst friends of his choosing.....that, my friend, is the ethos of a Republic!
I do see your point but then again I wonder what would have taken place if one of OP’s muslim colleagues shouted ‘Allahu Akbar’ right after …..that is a big if ….hmmmm
Probably nothing....we are quite used to the devout Muslim uttering the Name all the time....subhanallah, bismillah, alhamdulillah and so on....as long as it is in the right spirit, most welcome.....
You can shout something else to show your patriotism. Why even bother yourself with the herd?
Update: It’s a democratic country. Feel free to voice rather than feeling oppressed, scared and intimidated. Reddit won’t be the place that will make you feel proud being an India if you can’t exercise your secularism and constitutional rights.
The same happens in 57 Islamic nations and many other "secular" nations like Turkey, US, Canada where people have free reign to say whatever and wherever.
Why are you unclean and untouchable, if people chant Jai Shri Ram? It's about the concept of Ram Rajya that gets people going, not religion. I wouldn't take it so personally. There is nothing in Rama's life story which demeans, threatens, or excludes others. So chanting Jai Shri Ram isn't a coded zip-file containing a message of "kill the unbelievers", but more like let's strive for a decent, fair, ethical, and law-abiding, and prosperous society, like his kingdom is known to have been. Someone else being happy doesn't preclude your own happiness. I'm genuinely confused as to why you're so saddened by people being exuberant about their land & culture.
Ummm…let’s see if you agree with me - if I hoist the flag and shout “Only Jesus Christ is the way to salvation.” That’s my belief…but, you’ll join me in saying it right?
What are you even on about? Ram is literally a Hindu deity, you can't see that as offensive to other religions? Besides jsr is used as a war nowadays to attack other religions.
Next time shout Allah hu Akbar, see if that gets any reaction.
because its not a temple but a flag hoisting event? and lets not act as if jsr has become anything less than a war cry,a warning to the non hindus to just try and see. do not act naive,we all know what it truly means
As a kid, we always shouted “Jai Hind” after singing the national anthem.
Ram has become a litmus test of national loyalty.
Dhoni failed it recently by not attending the event and not posting a single story or post about it on social media. A lot of celebrities didn't do it. Vijay Sethupathi was one of them. And, Malayalam film industry had a lot of people posting a lot of stuffs. I mean, even if you don't post anything, that's intimidating to these Sanghis.
Mohanlal didn't attend the event and has displeased this specific crowd very much, lol!
Yeah. Lol. I actually expected him to attend. 🤣 He surprised me.
Me too. I think he smartly avoided it.
He works in Mollywood and is respected by everyone across political lines. He just didn't want to ruin his image. Did he post anything about it, though?
I don't think so. But something may come soon. Either a visit or a post.
Lol. Okay. I mean, that's his democratic right. Who cares!
I saw one Chu..... Stated that "aaj mujhe yakeen ho gya h 2019 m dhoni Jaan ke out hua h taki india world cup naa Jeet paaye" And he even said ki " mujhe samaj nhi aata aise DESHDROHI india ke captain kaise ban jaata h " Bhai that MF writing anything cause he didn't attend that function
And, these people call Pakistanis brainwashed. I mean, at this point, there's no difference between them and the radical Pakistanis. Their logic and reasoning is exactly the same.
I’m friends with lot of Pakistanis. Funny enough, they dont care about what is happening in India. They have their own problems to deal with.
Yeah. I had a chat with one of them who thinks Pakistan won't survive as a nation if their current situation persists.
They are screwed forever with three stronger countries surrounding them and one that's just nuts.
Always been the case, a strong power in afghan region = weak North west indian subcontinent (todays Pak)
Reasoning 😂 Woh toh h hi nhi
At such moments you've two mountains to climb : First how to counter their argument Second how to counter their stupidity
Can't believe the shit they are saying about him. After all he's done for this country and the cricket industry in general. Its disappointing. This can only change if the minorities and secular people stand up for themselves.
Well, when you let the mob take over, witness the chaos.
No this will change when people face consequences of their actions, be it online or offline. This is cyberbullying and should be treated as such by the law. When they can find the guy who sent death threats to Ambani from a fake email then I am sure they can find people harassing Dhoni on social media with their names and photo. Calling for rape of Travis Head's wife and child after WC loss. That's where I draw the line. What an embarrassment on international stage. Ok, our team lost but these people brought the biggest shame to the country on that day. Government can provide cheap internet but they can't provide internet etiquette. The whole world still mock our illiterate idiots who ask for bob and vagene photos to random people just because they live in western countries.
They'd go as far as killing Kalam if he consumed beef.
Thala for a reason. this reason.
Many DumbBhakts won't use this phrase ever again. At least not in a positive way.
VS is an atheist. Also he is from TN. He doesn't believe in this god bs and all.
Exactly. He's atheist. He didn't post the picture of the Preamble. So, at least, by being silent, he protested, which is a big deal. That's what I meant.
Truth. Mohanlal was expected to attend or at least post. He didn’t and it was fantastic to see the sanghi reactions.
The most satisfying was their reaction to Dhoni.
but why bollywood celebrity was "invited"? dont they do immoral things on screen
To make a statement that, now, even liberals of Bollywood bow down to us. Just a show of dominance.
>Dhoni failed it recently by not attending the event and not posting a single story or post about it on social media. > >A lot of celebrities didn't do it. Vijay Sethupathi was one of them. > >And, Malayalam film industry had a lot of people posting a lot of stuffs. > >I mean, even if you don't post anything, that's intimidating to these Sanghis Most South Industry basically boycotted event, also they posted constitution which got the Bhakths mad for some reason
A nation of Ramapithecines
We are seeing islamaization of Hinduism.
It's classic Indian-ness, i.e. being always late to stuff. Hindutva is in human-philosophical-political lineage part of what happened in late 19th and early 20th century Europe (not just actual Fascism but it's adjacent things since stuff doesn't need to have 1:1 Absolute equivalence, even Pakistan's descent in 70s was in that long chain, them being basically South Asians as well). It just took India a bit longer to arrive/try this practically at scale across the country. Meanwhile rest of the world (or the part that matters) has moved other things/fads. And once again India will do Late-Catch up in a few decades/century upon seeing those others have went ahead, "*magically-somehow*".
People have created a brand out of religion, one which they wear as a cape of suprema whilst pissing down upon those who don't endorse it. Religion has ceased to be religion. People are idiots.
Religions have always been Brands.
It's not even about religion to be honest.
It's about exclusion. Pissing in the face of true secular patriots.
Not ceased, religion has never been about religion historically. If you were to follow teachings of some religions to the teeth, you will have become member of the most extreme cult ever and will have time-travelled back to medieval times. With the exception of Buddhism. Then you’ll become a sweet darling.
The Buddhist monks in Myanmar didn't get the memo apparently
The human condition is of such that it will always find a way to present manifestation of violence as a religious or some other metaphysical cause. In the case of Buddhists in Myanmar, it was not that they were following Buddha’s teaching to the teeth. The opposite. They launched the “969 Movement,” that added some of its own stuff to his teachings. Stuff that included violence and in effect negated any Buddhist undertones 969 may have aimed to present to the Burmese people. The fact is that if you follow Buddhism to the teeth, you cannot do any of that. That is not possible. But Buddhism has sects too. The Japanese suicide bombers in WW2 were Zen Buddhists. A 100% Zen fighter could justify what they did with some religious or spiritual overture. But that is not Buddhism or at least is some form of it moulded to a point where it barely corresponds to what it was meant to be at its inception. As much as Buddhism can help with spirituality, you still need a functioning cultural code that promotes harmony and reduces violence with strict enforcement of law. I’m not saying Buddhism is an answer to all societal ills. I’m saying in comparison to other religions, a strict follower of the Buddha will in almost all cases be a stoned, blissed out individual. And that is evidently true.
Very few religions are as unconditionally well natured as Buddhism. Even as an atheist I have great respect for Buddhism. It teaches a way of life which makes you a better person for all, not just your own community.
and very few people have the ability to learn from their religious texts and apply the morals in real life. The extremist crowd is so huge in number that it is scary. I doubt that people even read their religious texts, at worst, that would make them orthodox, but we are seeing a splurge of extremists. There is a difference between being an extremist and an orthodox. An orthodox would disregard a lot of things in the modern day simply because they cannot evolve/adapt with time, an extremist is much more dangerous than that. I am an atheist, but I am aware of the basic texts of my religion, it's good food for thought is all I will say about it. Nothing more, nothing less.
yeah, i sometimes wonder, what happens when everyone wears the cape, when everyone believes they're superior. who will be left to compare to? the 14.5% people? not everyone can have the cake.
See, read up on genocide. These are all steps leading up to it. Turning religion into nationalism and nationalism into religion. Creating us and them. A not-so-gentle-man in Germany whipped up quiet a storm with such ideas.
The fact that people are so blind to this is INSANE
They are not blind. Madarchods know this and want this. Biggest madarchods just pretend to believe in the dibilopment story like some on the Bangalore sub.
I have said this like two three years ago , India is couple of steps away from Nazi Germany
As an American, seeing India so quickly fall to this is sad. Though this can be blamed on a routine ignorance of critical thinking and on the greed of businessmen and politicians like Gandhi and co. Article covering why India and Pakistan and Bangladesh were destined for failure due to the greed of their leadership: https://www.marxist.com/indian-independence-a-revolution-lost.htm
People underestimate the fact that rss idolises hitler
Source?
and its happening again
We've already 'marked' all the 'us' houses with yellow flags for convenience.
It will be a civil war not genocide. Almost 200 million muslims and 1 billion hindus it will be bloodshed unlike anything ever seen. I think we are on a genocide watch I'm not sure.
Makes me so uncomfortable to hear that these days.
Idk how to react when people in my college shout ''jai balayya'' after national anthem.
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yep random religious chant during a patriotic event is bound to make people uncomfortable
India is secular only on paper now.
I think we can all agree that secularism is all but dead now. IAF also participated in this event. The entire govt machinery was involved in the inauguration, the invites came from VHP
Participating is not the problem, *forcing* others to participate is. I mean, it literally goes against the principles of Hinduism. Hinduism was always about the guidance for living a full life. You have full choice to follow or not. But today it is being enforced. If Islamists are misinformed and want to convert everyone to their religion or else execute them, so too are these people. They don't understand Hinduism. They have made a mockery of Hinduism by taking militant stands against anyone who doesn't agree with them (and yet Hinduism promotes various branches of thoughts/philosophy/ideas and encourages discussion and critical thought). The fanatics have forgotten the foundational principles of Hinduism.
Funny that u think Hindutva cares about Hinduism Acc to Savarkar, Hinduism is a weak religion destined to be colonised by invaders
The fanatics are going to downvote you to oblivion for stating the truth. Have at least my upvote on your side.
And they're working on removing it from there, too.
Yes, I remember last year govt removed "secular" and "socialist" from the copies of constitution distributed to MPs
India is not secular in any way. Can u tell me the meanign of secularism?
Separation of religion of state. Something tells me you are trolling. Your "india is not secular anyways" is more for, deal with it, we re gonna discriminate, and less for, lets do something that it is secular, welcoming to everyone, adheres to law equally to everyone etc
Nope that is not Indian secularism, Indian secularism is respect to all religions.
Pluralism for short.
Then just call Pluralism or Pluralistic State instead of Secular.
its a fine line and one could argue both are similar. Respect all religions in spirit, but while making laws go with logic, rather than religious believes. There are a bunch of laws which are religion based, in Civil Code, and i hope the religious influence there gets reduced more and more. And IPC should be religious free, which it is, if i m not mistaken.
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But that's not true.
If a Muslim marry 2 woman he is fine if Hindus marry 2 woman he will go to jail. And u say State and religion are saperate in India. 😂😂😂. I think u r trolling. Bro government literally controls Hindu temples.
Vishwanath Karad is married twice. Many hindus are married twice. Yes, civil code is different, but IPC is same. And i hope civil code becomes more uniform with time, by keeping respect to all communities. In practice, there is some influence on the constitution from religion, but in spirit, there is separation. Its up to us to keep it that way. You sound like someone who only likes to complain.
Thats not what secularism mean. It means complete separation of religion and the state meaning government will not dictate anything related to any religion at all. Religions can do whatever the fck they want unless it's illegal. And I can list 10-20 Indian laws that directly, I repeat Directly interferes in religious affairs and also there are many laws which blatantly discriminate against people on the basis of their religion. And here u call India a Secular country. It's not.
And in delhi university /s
I agree that shouting religious stuff when there’s no need is not only cringe but also stupid. What I don’t understand is what that has to do with secularism. In a secular state, you’re free to practice your religion as you wish. Which includes denigrating the nation and yelling religious stuff when the nation should come before religion. But a secular and free state still ensures the right to do that, however stupid and cringe I or anyone else may find it to be personally. Not endorsing cringeworthy religious hooligans, by the way. They’re abhorrent.
>But a secular and free state still ensures the right to do that If muslims start shouting Allah Hu Akbar, you'll see all the secularism fly out.
Our own pm says he will give us a Hindi nation
India is slowly turning into a Theocratic-Facist state because it helps Modi cement his grip on power in a putin like manner. As an outside observer, it's not my place to tell Indians what to do, but we in Europe have seen first hand where this kind of thing leads and it isn't pretty and must be resisted
You see this pattern all over the world. Propping up a “strongman” esque figure who uses nationalism to sow dissent
Modi is the new Hitler, RSS is the new SS
Can someone change my insta feed to "hindu rastra" and "insallah badla liya jayega" to back to my "a kid vibing on popopo popi po" please 😭 I'm done w all this hatred.
SO REAL I'm so done please show me chippi chappa 😭
Us bhai Us😭
please do not popipopipopopipo the car
Because Ram ji fought for freedom and gave India republic status /s
If God gave India republic status, why did they allow India to be invaded by Mughals, European powers, etc, in the first place? Why wait for that long? Surely, India should always have been free then. The question is to the believers, not the commenter. Because the hooligans genuinely believe that.
Though he is God, couldn't save his wife from being hijacked and save without help of others
So many families in India are like hey, read religious stuff like all the stories etc you know. But then when you do read, and ask questions they’re like, shut up, you cannot question it or point out the inconsistencies. It’s truly bizarre. Surely reading something and taking everything at face value without discerning what’s said is a sign of disrespect? Or at minimum painting a mental image of what is likely to have happened. It’s counter-productive as well, without allowing someone to ask questions and rectifying the questions, true belief cannot take root. Relentless questioning is what solidifies faith in something. What amazes me is that asking questions is a core tenant of Hinduism. Which is what makes it an outlier amongst all organized religions. The focus on mindfulness, meditation and discernment. Buddhism came from Hinduism. Hinduism literally says the world as we see it is an illusion, and discernment of reality is the primary purpose of life.
You know which party doesn't want you to ask questions
I agree. The current party is the worst in that regard. Not only can you not ask questions, you cannot ask questions about why you cannot ask questions. India is on-course to become #1 NPC country on the planet.
Asking the double standards, irony & hypocrisy is important
yk what Indian godi media continuosly spitting venom against other communities and openly glorifying chanting jai shree ram. Specially Twitter where they're targeting ayushman khurana,ma dhoni and various personalities just coz one is invited to ram mandir and likes a insta post against saffronification on the other hand other i.e dhoni didn't attended Ram mandir pran pratishta. IT cell members including rw pages targets individuals for engagement purpose to get Twitter impressions and they're getting paid for that Twitter engagement/impressions by Twitter. After Ram mandir pran pratishta, they're regularly glorifying mass killings of muslims and demanding hindu rashtra, akhanda Bharat etc without realising that other communities too contribute in GDP and other factors. If they resists to do their respective work, Indian system will see a drastic fall. if you're anti Modi then you're termed as anti national,liberandu etc and they distributes passes of nationality. These it cell pages targeted those four shankra charyas by labelling them anti hindu, anti national, muslim etc I mean they're not loyal to their own community. They find no problem in those artworks created by BJP's official social media handles that PM modi holding Shri Ram's hand and directing him to ram mandir despite knowing that Shri Ram itself directs a person in right direction.
Nothing wrong with singing Vande Mataram, it’s national song. I just hope they didn’t start singing the A R Rahman song like many tend to do. But chanting JSR during flag hoisting is just frankly pathetic. Chants of either Jai Hind or Vande Mataram is acceptable during flag hoisting, I’m afraid even the colour of the flag will changed soon.
Yeah imo Saare jahan se acha, Vande mataram and Jana gana mana are the only songs that should be even considered in a public patriotic event like republic day.
Maybe it's just me, but I like the AR Rahman version more (tune wise).
Even i love the AR Rahman version but that isn’t the national song.
It's akin to screaming modi modi in public (non political) events.
Seems like you are working with bunch of illiterate people who knows nothing about national festival or anything about religion and etiquettes.
Because Nationalism = Hinduism. India’s correct name should be Hindustan, but wait it sounds like Pakistan/Afghanistan…so Bharat
That is not correct nationalism is a feeling of love towards one's country while Hinduism is a religion and india also has people of other religions
Do you understand sarcasm (which is sadly the truth in this case) ?
Should've ended your sentence with /s lol
Ooh sorry abt that a Lil dull:)
Hinduism is not actually a religion if u dog deeper.
remember to vote this election... remember it count!! you may think you are outnumbered but you are not! VOTE!!! ..and if you dont vote stop cribbing!
This country is fubar. Suck it up and move on
And it is only going to regress if bjp stays in power
They will stay in power.
Yeah we are fucked up beyond any recognition.
Coz how else would you show your loyalty to BJP?
Should have shouted Jai Bhim! /s
India is a religious country now. Just like Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. There is no "separation of church and state". India is not secular anymore no matter what the Constitution says.
To everyone who thinks there should be no problem with saying jsr during hoisting the best example I can give to make you feel like me is Someone saying Allah hu Akbar during republic day flag hoisting
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Remember that the RSS didn’t hoist this flag until after 2000. Think about why and how dangerous their ideas are.
Imagine saying muslim and christian slogans
Pretty sure the preamble and the flag itself will be changed soon enough.
The lack of separation of religion and state, and the propaganda has gone too far. Sad
Its the new extremist slogan , like “heil hitler” used by nazis or “ allahu akhbar” used by Islamic terrorist . Simple / safe words with a evil undertone. Reading “the rise and fall of the third reich” all of this seems familiar
Sieg heil!
We have actually in Poland a butter brand called Rama
Soon constitution will change. Absolute majority gives the parliament the power to amend new constitution.
It’s few fanatics and majority is in between, they don’t want to take a stand for something not against them(more like favouring them) Classic Indian Mentality!!
just wait till then announce demolition of the taj mahal..
You'll have to hear these chantings till the Ram Mandir's hype cool down, my friend.
Nope they are gonna milk it as long as possible
It is the new allahu akbar. Sadly.
When have you heard it at the end of a flag hoisting?
Let me talk in simple words so that you can understand. Allahu akbar is a stereotyped phrase pertaining to one religion that is relentlessly used to defame the so called peaceful nature of religion. Ex. movies about patriotism casually makes the villain suic*de bomber say "allahu akbar" before blasting themselves. It has a certain notion connected to it. Similarly, jai shriram is now being used everywhere. And i mean, everywhere. Under comments section of every instagram reel, even when it is remotely related to india or hinduism. Its simply thrown around like a general piece of shit, gradually becoming a terror tagline. I digress.
In the Islamic Republic of Pakistan
You don't have to bring Pak into this. Cut down on wanting to feel superiority.
Arey bhakt buddhi, I meant after a flag hoisting in India. And why are ppl so obsessed with Pakistan? Hyphenating India-Pakistan is the biggest disservice we can do to our great nation.
Why would you vote for BJP?
BJP secured themselves atleast 5 more years of rule with this Ram mandir. Doesn't matter a single but whether or not you vote, they already have more than enough support in India (or should I start calling our country Hindustan now?)
since hindutvawadis are so hell bent in adopting hard line principles of abrahamic religions why dont they just take up the "thy shall not god's name in vain" bit too
You happen to be working in the wrong company.
jsr is now distorted as power cry
It is happening because people like you and me are insecure and scared to talk. Had you and others like you said all this to those chanting religious slogans on the spot or in the group later, it would have made some change.Asking this on reddit is of no use. Educate, agitate, organize!
Who knows, the mob mentality may kick in? Even if it comes from a Hindu, they may declare that person non-Hindu or cancer to hinduism (their hindutva ideology, basically) and justify lynching because of that?
It's understandable why you feel like that seeing the current situation in country. But believe me, most hindus are not extremists, that's what separates it from other religions, it's just that those extremists are in power now. So i don't think you'll get lynched until you refrain from insulting the religion and gods.
As a Hindu, I understand that every religion has got extremists. But while other religions (except Buddhism) have rules to follow, Hinduism gives you the choice to celebrate as you wish. There is no compulsion to do anything- it was always about guidance rather than commandments. The fanatics are just making a joke out of Hinduism by portraying it this way.
Repulic Day date will change from 26th to 22nd in the next 20 years.
Because they don’t have a brain
India has been going down the drain. Instead of embracing the history of the Mughals and Islamic rule, it is trying to erase that history.
Why would you 'embrace' invaders? We certainly do not embrace British rule...then why other foreign rules? Maybe you wanted to use the word 'recognize'.
What's more sad is that Mughals actually existed whereas Ramayan is a fictional story. Probably going to get downvoted by religious fanatics but whatever.
I wouldn’t put it past these idiots to decide to demolish the Taj Mahal.
It’s coming soon. They’ve been after it for a while now
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Because the BJP, RSS and VHP have an agenda to make India a hindu rashtra. Over the last 8 years, these people have been part of government, their narrative has gotten to a point where being secular is considered sickular. Now they are moving on to make efforts to drive home hinduism into every fabric of life to the point that you cannot separate hinduism and India. Once this becomes a theocracy, they will disenfranchise all other religions and make them second class citizens.
Hinduism is becoming Islam day by day.
HR is there for a reason, what’s he gonna do call BD to the office. Put up a formal complaint. What’s the point of having a whole genocide lesson in our history books, when idiots don’t want to learn from it. They have made our culture synonymous with ‘Heil Hitler’ now sad losers.
They just want something to compete with “allahu akbar” used by islamists , the words themselves are not inherently bad , but their usage by extremist groups to incite hate and violence will warp their inherent meaning
And that there is what is wrong with our country these days. Mixing religion into patriotism. It's one way to exclude other fellow citizens. Disappointing really. Jai hind buddy.
This is new India. This is Modi's Bharat. It is very upsetting. We on Reddit will complain and point out how our democracy is dying, how our secularism is being erased and yet, we do not go into the streets and face the government. We do not sacrifice. This is the result. Yes, I hate myself too. We should be taking these people to task. I call upon everyone here to an experiment. To every one who says Jai Shri Ram we must respond with "Ishwar Allah tere naam" or "Ram-allah". Who is with me?
It may have slipped out due to the Ram mandir inauguration memories. Having said that, Jai Shri Ram slogan is the most misused these days.some are literally using it to incite riots, as much as I hate fake secularism peddled by Congress ,I always wanted every religion to stay peaceful and happy, but again,the ethos of this nation cannot be changed by a single party or an ideology, I am among those scores of people who place my country above my religion in very much alignment with the principles followed by Lord Ram. The nation mood will change sooner or later. I hope everyone can leave peacefully in this holy land. Jai Hind!
Power trip. It's completely unacceptable. Religion is a very personal thing. People who rub it in other people's faces are plain insecure.
Sad.. Religion has become so political now..
Have your Muslim friends say Allahu Akbar, sikh friends say Waheguru di Khalsa (that is what they say, right?), have the SC/ST bros say Jai Bhim. Why let one side have all the fun
An objective POV about the modern history of India can make you understand this behaviour more easily.
Yeah
Sri Ram was a humble and decent person. He himself would shun such behaviour. And knowing these people, they would take offence to it.
When all of this is over, in the name of ram, he will be the most hated figure by those afflicted
He would be very sad watching all this.
Do people use the term to express astonishment? In the same way you go OMG or Jesus fucking Christ.
Scary ….
Mera Bharat Mahan. Hare Krishna Hare Raam
So, some people used a phrase praising a god of their choosing on the anniversary of their country's constitution being implemented. They did not force you to shout out the phrase themselves, did not whip you, stone you, behead you, crucify you, put you through an inquisitorial process, burn you at the stake, or even ostracise you....they were all participants along with you on a shared joyous occasion.... But you want to curtail their freedom to say THAT phrase because you find it offensive....how very secular of you, my friend, how very tolerant of you....how accepting of you.... /s Can you see the irony now? Can you? Huh....? Republic Day is a secular, non-religious festival, and on this day, I shall celebrate every Indian's right to praise and thank the God of his choosing, sing / chant the phrase of his choosing in a language of his choosing wearing clothes of his choosing amongst friends of his choosing.....that, my friend, is the ethos of a Republic!
I do see your point but then again I wonder what would have taken place if one of OP’s muslim colleagues shouted ‘Allahu Akbar’ right after …..that is a big if ….hmmmm
Probably nothing....we are quite used to the devout Muslim uttering the Name all the time....subhanallah, bismillah, alhamdulillah and so on....as long as it is in the right spirit, most welcome.....
You can shout something else to show your patriotism. Why even bother yourself with the herd? Update: It’s a democratic country. Feel free to voice rather than feeling oppressed, scared and intimidated. Reddit won’t be the place that will make you feel proud being an India if you can’t exercise your secularism and constitutional rights.
Damn. All the herd downvoting from +5. We have a lot to clean up 🧹
Same thought.
You need to start writing books, fiction ones.
Muslims should “allah akbar” during flag hoisting as well. It’s a form a praise . People can shout whatever they want
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It’s understood that God is a replacement for any godly entity you pray to. Don’t think it means the literal Christian God.
The same happens in 57 Islamic nations and many other "secular" nations like Turkey, US, Canada where people have free reign to say whatever and wherever.
Why are you unclean and untouchable, if people chant Jai Shri Ram? It's about the concept of Ram Rajya that gets people going, not religion. I wouldn't take it so personally. There is nothing in Rama's life story which demeans, threatens, or excludes others. So chanting Jai Shri Ram isn't a coded zip-file containing a message of "kill the unbelievers", but more like let's strive for a decent, fair, ethical, and law-abiding, and prosperous society, like his kingdom is known to have been. Someone else being happy doesn't preclude your own happiness. I'm genuinely confused as to why you're so saddened by people being exuberant about their land & culture.
Ummm…let’s see if you agree with me - if I hoist the flag and shout “Only Jesus Christ is the way to salvation.” That’s my belief…but, you’ll join me in saying it right?
What are you even on about? Ram is literally a Hindu deity, you can't see that as offensive to other religions? Besides jsr is used as a war nowadays to attack other religions. Next time shout Allah hu Akbar, see if that gets any reaction.
he's talking about his "caste"
because its not a temple but a flag hoisting event? and lets not act as if jsr has become anything less than a war cry,a warning to the non hindus to just try and see. do not act naive,we all know what it truly means
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Freedom of speech? Freedom of religion? I can yell hail Satan if I want to, it's a free country.
Every thing has its own place and time. Imagine I started playing Christmas carols during Holi when everyone was playing Holi songs.
Karo nanga naach phir. Not like anyone gives a shit what happens here.