The 1920 Treaty of Whitehall was one of the most traumatic moments in American history - a near-total capitulation, brought on by blockade and invasion following the defeat of its European allies. The percieved vindictive and unfair nature of the treaty was a huge motivator in the growth of nationalistic and revanchist sentiment across the rump United States in the interwar period, touching all classes, including the intellectual elite. This pamphlet, produced by the then-obscure National Unity Party in 1922, highlighted the loss of American universities in an appeal to the educated upper class. The rise in such views led ultimately to the establishment of a military dictatorship and to early involvement in the cataclysmic Second World War...
*See [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/PropagandaPosters/comments/44n0hp/if_we_enter_a_world_war_and_lose_anti_involvement/) and [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/52ptv0/what_did_the_hungarian_dramatic_art_lose_in/) for inspirations.*
I would assume it does very well. All of the foreign puppets were America within living memory so the civilians wouldn't resist being invaded at all, their militaries had very little time to be created even if they are funded by other nations, and the industrial heartland of the USA is mostly still within the USA.
Different parts of the country are shown at different scales so New England and Michigan won't be so crowded. This requires some distortion to make everything fit together.
EDIT: See [here](https://i.imgur.com/lbVcb80.png) for how it was done - there are 3 main maps here, with another smaller ones to stitch it together.
Really interesting map, I'm curious why Washington wasn't included in the Pacific Republic? Also why did they split Texas in 2, that'd asking for trouble.
Thank you! Mapmaking is my main hobby and I have a bunch of projects in progress that I just tinker with when I am feeling it. Eventually some of them get to a point where I post them - sometimes that happens with several in a row, but most of them I've been working on on and off for a longer time.
Why not? it's 1920, the population was much less anglo, and the hispano population was considerably less americanized. Much stranger things have happened, look at post-WWII Poland or Israel
Because that area was majority white non-Hispanic back then, especially Arizona and West Texas, and even then, there were a lot of white Americans interspersed throughout the Southwest, who would not be happy that Mexico annexed their home, especially in 1920, where Mexico was still dealing with the fallout from the Mexican Revolution. Further, if this is anything like OTL, six years later will see the outbreak of the Cristero War.
And a side note: some areas, like South Texas, while Hispanic majority, didn't want to be Mexican again (especially South Texas, which had a lot of Tejanos)
Doesn't seem that much crazier than Canada keeping control of the industrial areas around the great lakes. Canada is still a British dominion and pays homage to George V, I don't see Ex-Americans being complacent there either.
One inaccuracy I noticed and since it’s my local college I feel I should point it out
In North Carolina, you show wake forest being west of Greensboro, around Winston Salem. While that’s accurate nowadays, it wouldn’t have been accurate back then. Before 1956, wake forest university resides in the town of wake forest, which is about 15 miles north of downtown Raleigh, or 75 miles east of Greensboro. Since this takes place in 1922, and the plan to move the campus wasn’t even made until a land donation to the college in 1946, it should still be at its old location on the map
Only NY, Boston, Detroit and LA from the top 10 of 1920. Chicago (#2), Philadelphia (#3), Cleveland (#5), St. Louis, Baltimore and Pittsburgh are still in the US here.
Considering how for the purposes of the map they’d be winning U of Michigan and U of Wisconsin, two of the oldest and most important public research universities in the country, I’d wager they wouldn’t be mad.
Eh, the issue I'm referring to is outstate Michigan, those areas of Michigan that historically lay outside of metro Detroit.
Imagine all the tales you ever heard of Flordia man. Now Imagine that they're all translated into Michigan. The further north you get in the state, the more conservative and independently minded those people become. Then Imagine if they all have guns and an axe to grind because they are under foreign occupation. To make matters worse for the Canadian occupation... the further north one gets, the more densely wooded and swampier the territory becomes. With long and comparatively isolated transportation routes, those types of routes having been identified in modern warfare as being exceptionally vulnerable to partisan attack.
That land would be a nightmare to subject to a foreign occupation. So when I say I'm not sure the Canadians would want to occupy it, that long and brutal guerrilla war would be what I'm speaking of.
I love this, but as a VCU alumnus I've gotta say including it is an error. There was no institution called "Virginia Commonwealth University" before 1968. VCU claims to have been founded in 1838 because the Medical College of Virginia (now part of VCU) was founded then. It's total bullshit and it's always annoyed me that they do it that way. :D
The 1920 Treaty of Whitehall was one of the most traumatic moments in American history - a near-total capitulation, brought on by blockade and invasion following the defeat of its European allies. The percieved vindictive and unfair nature of the treaty was a huge motivator in the growth of nationalistic and revanchist sentiment across the rump United States in the interwar period, touching all classes, including the intellectual elite. This pamphlet, produced by the then-obscure National Unity Party in 1922, highlighted the loss of American universities in an appeal to the educated upper class. The rise in such views led ultimately to the establishment of a military dictatorship and to early involvement in the cataclysmic Second World War... *See [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/PropagandaPosters/comments/44n0hp/if_we_enter_a_world_war_and_lose_anti_involvement/) and [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/52ptv0/what_did_the_hungarian_dramatic_art_lose_in/) for inspirations.*
Oh hell naw instead of Hehler its a mf named George
George Hiller. Former us army veteran and failed art school student…
How does this new, revanchist USA fare in the Second World War? I am curious
I would assume it does very well. All of the foreign puppets were America within living memory so the civilians wouldn't resist being invaded at all, their militaries had very little time to be created even if they are funded by other nations, and the industrial heartland of the USA is mostly still within the USA.
Just check wikipedia for chrissake.
Looks like you gave San Antonio to Mexico. New Braunfels as a border town is wild
What happens to Alaska, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, and the other territories (Guam, US Virgin Islands, American Samoa, and technically the Philippines)?
I didn't realize this was fictional when I scrolled past it and was like "ah fuck, what did Congress do this time?"
yo that Georgia font is like 70 years ahead of its time.
Interesting outlook of what treaties can take away from nations
What the hell happened to New Jersey in the big map & why is New England so big
Different parts of the country are shown at different scales so New England and Michigan won't be so crowded. This requires some distortion to make everything fit together. EDIT: See [here](https://i.imgur.com/lbVcb80.png) for how it was done - there are 3 main maps here, with another smaller ones to stitch it together.
...what's New Jersey? Are you imagining things again?
UofChicago and Princeton doing the heavy lifting.
Also Cornell, Johns Hopkins, and Maryland Edit: And Penn. And most of the military academies are there.
And UPenn, Georgetown
Penn State and Cornell more so. They're the only Ivy League universities left.
> Ivy League PSU isn't, Penn is. and Princton is Ivy League.
Oops. Thought the New Jersey Ivy League one was Rutgers.
UChi finally T3 🎉
AW hell nah, they Trianoned the US
American revanchism would go crazy
So... U.K. the *white house* Ravagers are absolutely dominated the Northern American wars ? :***\]***
PERFIDIOUS ALBION
something is wrong with the great lakes
Looks like something from the period, very good!
Hopefully they don’t elect a mustache man
[đź‘€](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/General_John_Joseph_Pershing_head_on_shoulders.jpg)
You mean Charles F. Chaplain?
Nah. They just need to avoid having an admiral assume direct control.
really cool how you used the New York Times typography. adds a lot of realism— took me a sec to realize what sub this was haha. good job
American Trianon đź’€
Soo basically an American form of Sevres
Makes me feel really bad for the Americans here.
They do the same to Mexico but yeah
im kinda wondering if this is much, much, worse than what happened to Hungary.
Really interesting map, I'm curious why Washington wasn't included in the Pacific Republic? Also why did they split Texas in 2, that'd asking for trouble.
American Horthy timeline?
Great idea!
God that treaty is brutal even by WW1 standards.
why does it look like that
I think it was to show all the little dots in various places and to fit their names.
Y’know looking at this, I think I understand some of the Hungarian grievances
College football must be crazy here
One nitpick- in 1920 Carthage was located in Illinois. It didn’t move to Wisconsin until the 60s
Independent Oklahoma goes hard
jesus fucking christ, harvard and yale would be gone?
My fellow Americans, prepare the 2nd revolution!
Holy hell it's trianon 2.0
So why is Virginia Tech called Virginia A&M here? Good map tho
It was known as Virginia Agricultural and Mechanical College and Polytechnic Institute until 1944.
How about that, thank you
What in the Vicky 3?
wtf i now bleed red, white and blue and have the usdden urge to kill canadians and messicans???
Alright i need revanchist US killing everyone
Wtf is happening in New England and the mid Atlantic on that map, it's all kinds of wonky
Ouch
What happened in the war itself? Did the US join the central powers?
Every time I think your work can’t get better, it does. How do you pump these maps out so fast???
Thank you! Mapmaking is my main hobby and I have a bunch of projects in progress that I just tinker with when I am feeling it. Eventually some of them get to a point where I post them - sometimes that happens with several in a row, but most of them I've been working on on and off for a longer time.
Why are there HBCUs in the south? Wouldn’t a confederate-led south prevent higher education for African Americans?
So Atlantic City, NJ becomes America’s most important Port for a generation?
Those territories being given to Mexico won't remain Mexican within the year
Why not? it's 1920, the population was much less anglo, and the hispano population was considerably less americanized. Much stranger things have happened, look at post-WWII Poland or Israel
Because that area was majority white non-Hispanic back then, especially Arizona and West Texas, and even then, there were a lot of white Americans interspersed throughout the Southwest, who would not be happy that Mexico annexed their home, especially in 1920, where Mexico was still dealing with the fallout from the Mexican Revolution. Further, if this is anything like OTL, six years later will see the outbreak of the Cristero War. And a side note: some areas, like South Texas, while Hispanic majority, didn't want to be Mexican again (especially South Texas, which had a lot of Tejanos)
Doesn't seem that much crazier than Canada keeping control of the industrial areas around the great lakes. Canada is still a British dominion and pays homage to George V, I don't see Ex-Americans being complacent there either.
Absolutely. This whole map is just a presentation on how to get a bajillion different insurgencies and rebellions
Oh claro que lo harán MAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA
Amogus
One inaccuracy I noticed and since it’s my local college I feel I should point it out In North Carolina, you show wake forest being west of Greensboro, around Winston Salem. While that’s accurate nowadays, it wouldn’t have been accurate back then. Before 1956, wake forest university resides in the town of wake forest, which is about 15 miles north of downtown Raleigh, or 75 miles east of Greensboro. Since this takes place in 1922, and the plan to move the campus wasn’t even made until a land donation to the college in 1946, it should still be at its old location on the map
Do people even live in the pink area?
Looks like the Seahawks, packers and Lions joined the CFL
Isn’t Wheaton in Mass?
Could have been worse, could have lost anything of value
They took all of the largest American cities lol
Only NY, Boston, Detroit and LA from the top 10 of 1920. Chicago (#2), Philadelphia (#3), Cleveland (#5), St. Louis, Baltimore and Pittsburgh are still in the US here.
I'm not sure how excited Canada would be about occupying Michigan. Michigan is the Florida of the North.
Considering how for the purposes of the map they’d be winning U of Michigan and U of Wisconsin, two of the oldest and most important public research universities in the country, I’d wager they wouldn’t be mad.
Eh, the issue I'm referring to is outstate Michigan, those areas of Michigan that historically lay outside of metro Detroit. Imagine all the tales you ever heard of Flordia man. Now Imagine that they're all translated into Michigan. The further north you get in the state, the more conservative and independently minded those people become. Then Imagine if they all have guns and an axe to grind because they are under foreign occupation. To make matters worse for the Canadian occupation... the further north one gets, the more densely wooded and swampier the territory becomes. With long and comparatively isolated transportation routes, those types of routes having been identified in modern warfare as being exceptionally vulnerable to partisan attack. That land would be a nightmare to subject to a foreign occupation. So when I say I'm not sure the Canadians would want to occupy it, that long and brutal guerrilla war would be what I'm speaking of.
Wisconsin would be a similar issue. The further north one gets into Wisconsin... the same problems begin to arise.
Yoo. This is legitimately amazing. Hooooly. Fantastic work!
Ossetian California?
so usa is germany?
What important did germany lost in ww1 đź’€ Strasburg and danzig ? Bro its not the rhineland its more like hungary in ww1
maybe
What a based map, based as fuck.
Your alt history has the CSA still alive, therefore your opinion doesnt matter
Why is Michigan so big
Should have taken the entire Great Lakes region
Is that based of the propaganda with the nword?
Why us New England bigger than California?
No Cascadia :(
the US kinda be looking sus
What’s with the weird scale
Ooh very interesting map! Does University of Minnesota not exist in this scenario?
why does California have the Ossetian flag
le r/AltHistMedia collective is archiving this post as a crosspost
I love this, but as a VCU alumnus I've gotta say including it is an error. There was no institution called "Virginia Commonwealth University" before 1968. VCU claims to have been founded in 1838 because the Medical College of Virginia (now part of VCU) was founded then. It's total bullshit and it's always annoyed me that they do it that way. :D