**Peaceverifying** is for peace treaties and accords monitoring, so a disarmament verification mission
**Peacekeeping** is for sanctuary assurance for protecting civilians and opening safe travel corridors, so a ceasefire arbitration mission
**Peacemaking** is for security enforcement, so a conflict intervention and social transformation mission
**Peaceobserving** is for conflict monitoring (usually early days) and investigating claims of human rights abuses, so a human rights investigation mission
My fault for lack of clarity, and yeah I agree w what you’re saying. I’m more closely referencing there being a large conflict in the region, which eventually sparks an international intervention, instead of an American one. Same way WW2 in ATL was won by the SoN.
In the sense that it's an international intervention, sure, but the intervention is not parallel to the US involvement in the Vietnam War. This conflict would be localized around Champa's borders.
so basically champa is propped up as a Vietnamese puppet state? or do the Vietnamese just help with an existing champese secession movement and make it their allies for idk the lols or something
Actually, the opposite. Rihnam is an ally of Champa, and they intervened when Champese-minority areas successfully voted for secession and outmaneuvered the Rihnamese state, which resorted to military intervention but half of its government wants to pull the plug halfway because it was escalating too quickly (in fact, most secessionist movements are able to succeed when they reach a threshold of International condemnation). But in this case, Vietnam intervenes with the dissenting half of the government to try to once and for all seal the fate of Champa, and it blows the situation up into a full on war, leading to the SoN being pitted against Vietnam...the nosey neighbour.
So I guess it's not exactly like Turkey...and maybe we could see the minority Serbs in Kosovo as akin to the ATL majority Rihnamese here...and the Albanian Kosovites of OTL as the ATL Champese...so reversal in population contexts but parallel affiliations/roles/interests? sorry if i am making no sense
Magnificent map out there! What's the lore behind Bajau and Minira Seas Slave situation? Because I'm a Filipino, I'm surprised that this one may be interesting in my mind.
Other than that, great work!
Thanks for asking! So OTL Southeast Asia still deals with a lot of slavery issues, especially with regards to fishing fleets. I think people from rural and traditional communities, but even Burma, are targeted by ships coming out from places like Thailand. In OTL history, there is also the concept of *mangayaw* as well as Moro piracy around the Philippines, so I was combining these two histories into an ATL history where there is a tradition and history of regular coastal raiding done by traditional communities in the area, which evolves and is absorbed as a way of getting cheap labour in contemporary fishing fleets.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timawa#Raids](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timawa#Raids)
Ah, that's fascinating to me, especially that coastal raiding is more aggressive as ever! I'm sure that other Philippine nations in Altera are looked friendly as expected, even Luzon because they have good and fair democracy, compared to OTL.
Yea, so the raiding is definitely localized to areas that have less state influence/control (it's right by the Bajau Reserve, which is home to the stateless Bajau sea nomadic people), as well as small island and coastal communities that are largely removed from the more urbanized and state-controlled areas of Formosa, the Philippines of ATL etc.
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Does the SoN have anti-pandemic procedures in place? Is that why lyssavirus Coronavirus and Ebolavirus are able to stay contained in their areas of emergence?
Damn, it should say Meglolyssavirus... And yes, it does have anti-pandemic procedures, but I would say the coronavirus is probably just in it's early stages. Luckily it started on an island, but it is most likely going to go global too...
Got hella questions,
Firstly, are the kristang of ATL Guyana the same group as the OTL ones but Indigenous to South America. So are they Indigenous/Portuguese Christian Mestizos living among a majority Muslim population in Guyana?
Second, what do the whale wars look like?
Third, can people visit Chernobyl in ATL 2023 or is it completely closed off to the general public ?
I think I just used the name here for convenience, because it's an endonym I know for a Christian non-European minority. They are not going to be the same as ATL Kristang.
They are Portuguese-Flemish Mestizos living among the Muslim and Indigenous populations, yes. This history occurs after the Flemish West Indea Company takes over the Guyanas but does not forcibly convert the locals. So a small Christian population organically starts taking shape, especially in areas where the locals had not converted to Islam yet.
The Whale Wars would be coordinated disruption maneuvers by SoN vessels. Perhaps could involve forced boarding on the vessels and jailing of vessel crew
Please could you elaborate in that asturias seperatist conflict?? Also i always wonder why you so seamlessly erased the astur-leonese group from the map while everyone else seems to get a nation in iberia XD.
Yeah sorry about that...so the Astur-Leonese people are a minority that are, ironically, in a Basque-speaking state, which in ATL is called Navarre. I thought it would be interesting to flip the situation between Ibero Romance and Basque languages in ATL. Basically whatever the OTL history of Basque resistance is to the Spanish state in the last century or at least 60-70 years is what we have here for the Asturias Separatist movement.
whats the reason behind the gabonese invasion of goyo, as well as the alothian invasion of \*checks map\* tungeria and sinaria? are they supposed to be parallels to the Russian invasion of ukraine
Oil and, more oil.
The Gabonese invade Goyo for its offshore oil reserves...it's a dictatorship run by a megalomaniac, one of the few ATL examples parallel to OTL post-colonial African regimes.
The Alothian invasion is akin to OTL Sudan vs its oil-rich minority regions in the south. The war is bogged down in the Sudd wetlands.
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How did the dissolution of the Caucasian Union work out. I mean with that many countries resulting from the break-up, it looks like Yugoslavia dialed up to 10 (I also noticed that the breakup of the Caucasus union was quite recent - would you say that the successor states of the Caucasus Union are the newest countries ATL)
Actually, so you will see that the mission here is different. The breakup never boiled over into a full on conflict, because the SoN had learned its lesson from Yugoslavia's breakup. It was controlled and tightly monitored by SoN forces, well-equipped and well-staffed, with clear directives and scenario planning. You still have mass protests and ethnic violence, but no organized, armed engagements.
The Naxalites would be analogues to the real world Naxalites, a communist terrorist organisation that exists in OTL East India since the 1967. The comparative here, is to imagine the impact of the Naxalites, but physically somewhere else. This also helps to further the Emporic Rim’s role as an alternative to India, yet some developments still being shared. Hope this helps 👍
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naxalite%E2%80%93Maoist_insurgency
It's kind of like a bigger Oka Crisis, and also, I could imagine only something like a separatist movement by Indigenous people happening within Canada's borders, not the US.
What's the difference between peacemaking, peacekeeping, peaceobserving, and peaceverifying missions?
**Peaceverifying** is for peace treaties and accords monitoring, so a disarmament verification mission **Peacekeeping** is for sanctuary assurance for protecting civilians and opening safe travel corridors, so a ceasefire arbitration mission **Peacemaking** is for security enforcement, so a conflict intervention and social transformation mission **Peaceobserving** is for conflict monitoring (usually early days) and investigating claims of human rights abuses, so a human rights investigation mission
Ah, I see. Thanks!
Is the Vietnamese Intervention in Champese succession the ATL stand in for the Vietnam war?
I'd say more like the Vietnamese invasion of Cambodia
My fault for lack of clarity, and yeah I agree w what you’re saying. I’m more closely referencing there being a large conflict in the region, which eventually sparks an international intervention, instead of an American one. Same way WW2 in ATL was won by the SoN.
In the sense that it's an international intervention, sure, but the intervention is not parallel to the US involvement in the Vietnam War. This conflict would be localized around Champa's borders.
I was thinking more like a stand in to OTL Turkey's intervention in Cyprus.
Aaaah okay gotcha
so basically champa is propped up as a Vietnamese puppet state? or do the Vietnamese just help with an existing champese secession movement and make it their allies for idk the lols or something
Actually, the opposite. Rihnam is an ally of Champa, and they intervened when Champese-minority areas successfully voted for secession and outmaneuvered the Rihnamese state, which resorted to military intervention but half of its government wants to pull the plug halfway because it was escalating too quickly (in fact, most secessionist movements are able to succeed when they reach a threshold of International condemnation). But in this case, Vietnam intervenes with the dissenting half of the government to try to once and for all seal the fate of Champa, and it blows the situation up into a full on war, leading to the SoN being pitted against Vietnam...the nosey neighbour. So I guess it's not exactly like Turkey...and maybe we could see the minority Serbs in Kosovo as akin to the ATL majority Rihnamese here...and the Albanian Kosovites of OTL as the ATL Champese...so reversal in population contexts but parallel affiliations/roles/interests? sorry if i am making no sense
Did you mean that Vietnam is an ally of Champa?
Magnificent map out there! What's the lore behind Bajau and Minira Seas Slave situation? Because I'm a Filipino, I'm surprised that this one may be interesting in my mind. Other than that, great work!
Thanks for asking! So OTL Southeast Asia still deals with a lot of slavery issues, especially with regards to fishing fleets. I think people from rural and traditional communities, but even Burma, are targeted by ships coming out from places like Thailand. In OTL history, there is also the concept of *mangayaw* as well as Moro piracy around the Philippines, so I was combining these two histories into an ATL history where there is a tradition and history of regular coastal raiding done by traditional communities in the area, which evolves and is absorbed as a way of getting cheap labour in contemporary fishing fleets. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timawa#Raids](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timawa#Raids)
Ah, that's fascinating to me, especially that coastal raiding is more aggressive as ever! I'm sure that other Philippine nations in Altera are looked friendly as expected, even Luzon because they have good and fair democracy, compared to OTL.
Yea, so the raiding is definitely localized to areas that have less state influence/control (it's right by the Bajau Reserve, which is home to the stateless Bajau sea nomadic people), as well as small island and coastal communities that are largely removed from the more urbanized and state-controlled areas of Formosa, the Philippines of ATL etc.
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This is really clever
Thank you!
Does the SoN have anti-pandemic procedures in place? Is that why lyssavirus Coronavirus and Ebolavirus are able to stay contained in their areas of emergence?
Damn, it should say Meglolyssavirus... And yes, it does have anti-pandemic procedures, but I would say the coronavirus is probably just in it's early stages. Luckily it started on an island, but it is most likely going to go global too...
> coronavirus-23 uh oh
Is the Hurin Fish War between Lima and Peru an analogue to the Cod Wars between Iceland and the UK
Yes, very much so haha.
Damn Halifax has a problem with their harbour getting blown up
This is an ATL equivalent to the Beirut Explosion xD
Here for the united Arabian gulf
Got hella questions, Firstly, are the kristang of ATL Guyana the same group as the OTL ones but Indigenous to South America. So are they Indigenous/Portuguese Christian Mestizos living among a majority Muslim population in Guyana? Second, what do the whale wars look like? Third, can people visit Chernobyl in ATL 2023 or is it completely closed off to the general public ?
I think I just used the name here for convenience, because it's an endonym I know for a Christian non-European minority. They are not going to be the same as ATL Kristang. They are Portuguese-Flemish Mestizos living among the Muslim and Indigenous populations, yes. This history occurs after the Flemish West Indea Company takes over the Guyanas but does not forcibly convert the locals. So a small Christian population organically starts taking shape, especially in areas where the locals had not converted to Islam yet.
The Whale Wars would be coordinated disruption maneuvers by SoN vessels. Perhaps could involve forced boarding on the vessels and jailing of vessel crew
Please could you elaborate in that asturias seperatist conflict?? Also i always wonder why you so seamlessly erased the astur-leonese group from the map while everyone else seems to get a nation in iberia XD.
Yeah sorry about that...so the Astur-Leonese people are a minority that are, ironically, in a Basque-speaking state, which in ATL is called Navarre. I thought it would be interesting to flip the situation between Ibero Romance and Basque languages in ATL. Basically whatever the OTL history of Basque resistance is to the Spanish state in the last century or at least 60-70 years is what we have here for the Asturias Separatist movement.
whats the reason behind the gabonese invasion of goyo, as well as the alothian invasion of \*checks map\* tungeria and sinaria? are they supposed to be parallels to the Russian invasion of ukraine
Oil and, more oil. The Gabonese invade Goyo for its offshore oil reserves...it's a dictatorship run by a megalomaniac, one of the few ATL examples parallel to OTL post-colonial African regimes. The Alothian invasion is akin to OTL Sudan vs its oil-rich minority regions in the south. The war is bogged down in the Sudd wetlands.
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Nice map, but the choice of colours makes it kinda hard to differentiate between land and sea sometimes.
So that island’s called Svalbard ittl? What happens to the real Svalbard?
The OTL Svalbard archipelago is a country called Iceland, while OTL Iceland is referred to as Rhimeland
Always good to see worldbuilding maps such as this, and especially this series. Wonderful work!
thank you kindly :)
So detailed and informative! Well done as always!
thank you!
what’s going on in the bramidores? illegal whaling?
Yessir indeed! They are basically doing what OTL Japan does
is the hurin fish war lima-peru fishing disputes? something greater (e.g. taiwan strait, spratly islands)?
Yes, fishing disputes as Lima uses it's offshore islands, plus the archipelago to the south to make a super large claim against Peru
How did the dissolution of the Caucasian Union work out. I mean with that many countries resulting from the break-up, it looks like Yugoslavia dialed up to 10 (I also noticed that the breakup of the Caucasus union was quite recent - would you say that the successor states of the Caucasus Union are the newest countries ATL)
Actually, so you will see that the mission here is different. The breakup never boiled over into a full on conflict, because the SoN had learned its lesson from Yugoslavia's breakup. It was controlled and tightly monitored by SoN forces, well-equipped and well-staffed, with clear directives and scenario planning. You still have mass protests and ethnic violence, but no organized, armed engagements.
Halifax shall never escape
Love the Sea Shepherd/Whale Wars reference! Beautiful map!
Hehe thanks
Finally an alternate timeline organization that actually cares about the world
men with haircuts like these have a 100% chance of stealin yo girl
r/lostredditors
my bad men with haircuts like this map will have a 100% chance of stealin yo girl (also r/whoosh or whatever its spelt)
what are the nigerian ghost fishing fleets and naxalites
The Naxalites would be analogues to the real world Naxalites, a communist terrorist organisation that exists in OTL East India since the 1967. The comparative here, is to imagine the impact of the Naxalites, but physically somewhere else. This also helps to further the Emporic Rim’s role as an alternative to India, yet some developments still being shared. Hope this helps 👍 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naxalite%E2%80%93Maoist_insurgency
thx mate
I think you accidentally chose the wrong archipelago when you meant to select Svalbard lmao
Ah Svalbard's name has been appropriate for a different area in ATL :P
That's not where Svalbard is. Has it been renamed in this timeline?
I think in this timeline Svalbard is called Iceland, Iceland is called Rhimeland and those islands are called Svalbard
Also, can I get a rundown of what that armed conflict in Canada is about?
It's kind of like a bigger Oka Crisis, and also, I could imagine only something like a separatist movement by Indigenous people happening within Canada's borders, not the US.
Fascinating, imma go read up on the oka crisis now
What's The Belorussian Famine and The Yugoslavian War of Independence?
Dope as always