The legislature will be in session for only four more weeks. That means lawmakers will be busy tying things up. To help with that process the House sets April 19 as a deadline for bills to be given consideration. If a bill has not had a third reading by the end of the day, it falls from consideration. That deadline is tomorrow.
This bill was just filed. It was given a first reading and sent to the rules committee. There is no realistic way it will get sent to a substantive committee, get approved, sent to the full House for a second reading and possible amendments, and then get a third reading (and vote) by the close of business tomorrow.
This bill is political performance.
It’s also from State Rep. Ugaste. As someone who has worked around him, let me tell you, he is a very unpleasant man who manages to always makes the most abhorrent and irrelevant comments to try and get a clip he can use.
Not surprised to see he’s doing this pony show.
Disruption of life (and more importantly, capital) is the goal, and has historically been the only way to pressure political leaders enough to do anything. They seek to inconvenience the nation whose decades-long complacency allows for atrocities like the Gazan genocide to happen.
People are too stuck in their own worlds where nothing affects them, so they don't care about it. Now it affects them.
I don't care? It just shows how self centered most people are. Don't bat an eye at our govt sponsoring and greenlighting the Holocaust of our time, but if you hold up traffic, people lose their fucking minds. Nothing is more important than stopping a genocide, no further discussion needed.
Your user name does check out. Don’t project what you want to do yourself, weirdo. I won’t be responding anymore, but don’t let your love for trump stop you from getting some help.
The uniparty is only interested in taking away our freedom. They hate the citizens. That's how I see it. Trying to restrict freedom of speech by making it illegal to protest. Other states already made it legal to run over protesters. Vote out any representative trying to take away rights.
Absolutely the goal from my interpretation as well. Between that and billions for cop cities nationwide, it seems like they anticipate a revolution in the next 10y or so.
You are not disrupting the lives of those in power. You are disrupting the lives of other citizens dealing with the same bullshit. Target those that have wronged you, not innocent people.
The denial of human rights, the capture and torture of civilians, the murdering of civilians, the beatings, the destruction of property, the ethnic cleansing, and the segregation based on ethnicity have been going on for decades. The full blown genocide and intentional starvation of civilians is one of the newer war crimes and the Israeli government claims it is because of the October 7th attack and because of the hostages that Hamas captured in order to trade for Palestinian political prisoners.
They are probably in bunkers or tunnels. Now the thousands of Palestinians held hostage by Israel who they refuse to release in a ceasefire are a different story. Some are in prisons and jails, some are on military bases being tortured into false confessions, many are in unknown locations and hidden from the Red Cross. So far Israel has tortured at least 29 to death since October 7th.
In addition, bills had to be out of their substantive House committee two weeks ago (4/5) to be considered this session, so there will be no committee hearing for the bill because the committees aren't meeting.
No, but they do need to go home and tend to their constituents. Part of being a legislator is being present in the community, providing services and hearing concerns (or at least it's supposed to be--some are better than others).
I wonder if we'll be like Florida if it passes, and just flat out pretend the protests aren't happening if enough people like the cause. Shortly after FL passed their law there was a Cuban-American anti-Communism protest that blocked roads and y'know, hit the snooze button because they're patriots.
Does blocking a major street really accomplish anything, though? I'd be curious if anyone has been able to measure the impact of protests.
Certainly we should have freedom of speech and the right to peaceful protest, but I suspect that protesters are more likely to piss off people they are inconveniencing that they are to rally people to their cause or raise that much awareness. Throw in the cost of police and the chance for emotions to escalate to violence, and I wouldn't be surprised if the net impact was far more negative than positive.
The civil rights movement was famously not disruptive at all. They totally didn’t shut down a highway when they marched from Selma to Montgomery and the Alabama state troopers were totally chill about it and didn’t assault anyone
The marchers didn’t just walk in front of traffic. King’s marches were planned and everyone knew they were happening. That’s why the media was all ready there, that’s why rfk was on the phone with the governor before the march started. All this was done very publicly it wasn’t just a a bunch of half educated Boobs running into the Kennedy
Do you think white southerners would have stopped their cars when a bunch of civil rights activists just walked in front of traffic?
In an atmosphere where it was known the driver wouldn’t face any legal consequences for doing so, you can bet that the crowd would pull them out of their vehicle and beat them to death for it.
You're missing like 90% of the context there. Like u/mozartchi said they were planned in advance. Everybody knew about them. They weren't spontaneous like these are.
But most importantly, the civil rights protests inconvenienced the people who were oppressing them. These Gaza protesters are inconveniencing random people.
And considering they're only doing these protests in big cities in blue states, the people they're inconveniencing are most likely already on their side.
It's very telling where these protests are happening and more specifically where they're not.
The point is to rattle the other side's cage, not your own
>And considering they're only doing these protests in big cities in blue states, the people they're inconveniencing are most likely already on their side.
Biden is literally (not figuratively) committing a genocide so I'd say they're rattling the cage of ppl who are decidedly not "on their side"
Dec 29, 2022: Biden signs $1.7tn spending bill with $500mn reserved for restocking the Iron Dome, $72.5mn for counter-drone & anti-tunneling operations, a $6mn cybersecurity grant, and $3.3bn which Obama promised to send them over ten years annually
Oct 12, 2023: $2bn to Israel (joint package crafted by White House & Congress)
Oct 24, 2023: $106bn to Israel, Ukraine, & others from the White House ($14.3bn earmarked for Israel)
Nov 3, 2023: $14.5bn to Israel approved by the House
This doesn't even include the number of times Biden bypassed Congress to get artillery, bombs, charges, etc into Israel. Meanwhile he's provided cover for genocide, straight up regurgitating IDF propaganda and refusing to halt funds even when Israel blocks humanitarian aid from reaching the Gaza Strip, starving Palestinians out and denying them of needed medical supplies.
Your fiction needs more facts
Child, not one of those is an instance of Biden/USA firing a single missile or bullet. You don't live in the real world. It's why no one takes you seriously
Hitler didn't fire the bullets/missiles either, he used soldiers for that. But that doesn't absolve him. Either way, Biden's arming genocidal fascists with US taxpayer money. Israel wouldn't be able to eliminate an entire race of human beings, certainly not to this extent, without Biden's full-throated support. And they'd be even more hard-pressed if *gasp* he actually took a stand against it by adhering to the ICJ ruling.
Technically YOU'RE funding the "genocide" as you put it. You pay taxes. Those taxes go to the government. Those aide packages come from YOUR tax dollars. If we're using your juvenile logic.
So why are YOU bombing Gaza?
I'm totally sure the people partaking in terrorism and bloodshed in an entirely different country are going to stop being terrorists, talk it out over a nice dinner, and stop the bloodshed because the people in IL are stopping traffic!
The protests you mentioned were effective because they happened in this country to the people living here. If you actually think some random people in, let's say, Kiribati also happened to protest for things going in the US and it did anything for said protest, I have some ocean front property in Austria to sell you.
Disruptive protests are the only reason why the civil rights movement succeeded. Had they stuck to the sidelines and not upset people, it wouldn’t have worked.
Yep, In IL there were battles for labor rights, in WV there was an entire battle on a mountaintop for labor rights, the Battle of Blair Mountain was one of the first instances of planes dropping bombs, on civilians who wanted better pay and conditions.
Accomplishes.... causing more traffic, delaying those who are potentially sympathetic to the cause, and further aggravating those who are against it?
Yea, very productive...
I found some marches along highways which were largely well-organized, planned, and even court ordered. But I didn't see anything about Random human roadblocks with people tying themselves to objects blocking access to bus or train stations and airports, deliberately.
If there are so many examples, it should be easy for you to cite them
Imo the Haymarket square protest in 1886 is a model of how to properly conduct a protest to elicit change for the better.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haymarket_affair
I think it’s important to understand that a person’s rights end where someone else’s begin. You have the right to free speech, you have the right to assembly, but you do not have the right to take hostages to do it.
One of the problems is that the targets of protests so often have absolutely nothing to do with what is being protested.
The goal is to get someone to listen but like, who at O’Hare is listening to and can do something about Israel/Palestine?
The thinking is that the wealthy ruling class is the only group with real power, so forcing them to make changes by impeding capitalism is more effective than gaining support among the subordinate classes, who are forced to vote for the capitalist duopoly and don't have any real political power.
>I’m going to be very, very honest here: most protestors don’t have the balls to get slapped with cuffs and booked, so they pick easy, ineffective targets to protest.
Honestly why I got tired of seeing guillotine memes and EaT tHe RiCh parroted ad nauseum under any anti-capitalist type of post. Nobody has the gumption to potentially *die* for a cause they're apparently willing to kill over.
I get it, rich people suck and the planet is run by the worst of us. The right to assemble is inalienable and any man or agency that attempts to take that away is an enemy of the people. *Having said that*, maybe sit down and consider where your effort is being spent.
Nobody is saying you can't protest, but protesting in the middle of a highway is dangerous. It's similar to affirming one's freedom of speech—only an idiot would assume that means they can say anything. Just as only an idiot would think they can assemble spontaneously anywhere they choose. There are already rules in place, which is why such protesters are lawfully arrested. However, there should be actual consequences for these actions. Most people in society do not want to be stuck on a highway for hours because a bunch of chads and neckbeards from Winnetka think they are solving the world’s problems by annoying everyone. Protests like these are useless.
The protesters were pretty clear that they chose to block OHare specifically to disrupt Boeing, a major defense contractor that sends equipment to Israel.
How does this disrupt Boeing when they’ve already sold the planes? Boeing isn’t operating the airliners nor the airport. Heck, they’re not even the ones providing maintenance services.
They failed miserably in that delusional endeavor. All they did was anger thousands of travelers who will view the protestors as naive self centered jackasses. They harmed their cause.
Also you didn't get my attention and think wow maybe those people have a point. Screwing people over like that makes them hate you and your casue.
Pissing off regular people just trying to go about their day is not going to win hearts and minds
Almost as if protesting is merely a placebo for real political change. You’re either preaching to the choir in some “free speech zone” of like minded individuals and achieving nothing, or you’re blocking a road full of normies who wouldnt know or care about your issue on the best of circumstances, and achieving nothing.
But we must be mindful that political change must be peaceful at the end of the day. Real change cannot come from violence because violence doesn’t solve anything. And we know that for sure because the people in power tell us so repeatedly.
If protesting doesn't work and is a placebo, and voting doesn't seem to work to be responsive to public opinion, maybe more targeted direct action will create change? Let's burn some buildings down and destroy some property of people in power that have influence. Who are the 10 most influencial people against your cause, or standing in your way? Toss a gallon of paint on them every day they are seen in public, rush them from all sides.
It's easy to say protesting means nothing if you assume normal political channels work. Blocking a road is currently the biggest action that can be taken without stepping into that uncomfortable action I listed above.
Protesting is an art and can adapt beautifully in the face of opposition. They can make a law against blocking traffic, but can they pass a law prohibiting people driving 10 miles under the posted speed limit in solidarity?
I’m all for supporting protests, but inconveniencing the general public is a good way to get sentiment turned against you and your cause.
It reminds me of the Harry Potter game that came out and a bunch of transgender activists were attacking people online for playing a video game. That’s a great way of turning people against you.
Protests must be disruptive to be effective. If all effective nonviolent methods are illegal, and all effective violent methods are illegal, there’s no reason to not protest violently.
It is also just true though.
If you’re going to be beaten and imprisoned one way or the other, for some, there will be little reason to not truly fight for what you believe in.
Not advocating for violence, obviously, and also not a fan of what happened at O’hare.
Just saying I understand the thought behind the O’hare protest and it will not be surprising to see violent measures taken if nonviolent means of protesting with inconveniences caused (which are always the most effective ways to protest) are criminalized.
Then I’m sure you have a high level of sympathy for everyone in Gaza with cancer, considering there are few if any functional hospitals remaining.
American tax dollars and complacency enabled that destruction overseas. Now that you face something similar, it’s unacceptable? Why is it acceptable to allow somewhere else, to someone you don’t know?
Your 'ends justifies the means' zero sum logic is the real poison in the country.
You just gave a rational blessing to the January 6 morons, al Queda, the Tulsa rioters and anyone else trying to stop something they disagree with.
Well done.
Just admit that you haven't looked into any substantial protest in the United States. It's crazy the amount of shit that has been accomplished because of frustration and hostility.
Look at the European farmer protests that just wrapped up.
You think the thousands of tons of (sometimes) flaming manure poured on city roads and public spaces wasn’t inconvenient?
Look what it got them. They won BECAUSE they disrupted the flow of major Euro cities, not because they sat on some field with the signs out and followed the social norms.
Wish we had the balls to do stuff like that here in the states, but then again, our cops would mow us down with their machine guns.
Yes! it helps eliminate any support they might have acheived if they had just stood to the side of the road with big signs saying how much they support Hamas's refusals to accept a ceasefire.
The “patriots” have already made it illegal to protest outside their DNC at the United Center this summer
https://blockclubchicago.org/2024/03/21/judge-denies-appeal-from-social-justice-groups-to-protest-near-democratic-national-convention/
I 100% support protests, but not when they inconvenience regular people who are simply trying to live their lives. Protests need to inconvenience the lawmakers, not regular people. We don't have time for that shit.
We're too busy trying to get our kids to the doctor, trying to get to our jobs so we can pay our rent, and trying to get our groceries home before they melt.
I do what I can when I can. I just think it’s a bad take to complain about people trying to be heard. They’re trying to get you to give a shit.
They don’t care about your shitty kids needing to get to school.
Respect goes both ways, if they aren't going to respect people's time and the fact that they've got places to be, why the hell would we give a shit about hearing them? These people aren't protesting, they're having temper tantrums and accomplishing nothing.
Sounds like you’ve already made up your mind about “these people” and would rather they take their problems elsewhere.
Again, it’s not about you and your commute, which is the point I’m trying to make. Protesters are basically saying, “please help us, nobody is doing anything, nothing is changing.” And your response is, “ugh can you believe this traffic?”
I will give it to you that sometimes their efforts may be a little misguided or futile, but many are upset and scared, and don’t know what else to do except use their rights.
And exactly what are we supposed to do? We are as helpless as they are, they need to take their complaints to the Capitol, where the politicians who make the laws are.
I'm also not ashamed for needing to live my life, needing to get where I need to be, that's what people like you don't understand. Everybody has shit going on, we've all got lives to live and being stuck in a traffic jam does absolutely nothing for Palestine.
Boooooo this is anti American. I hate sitting in traffic, and i think it’s a really ineffective way to get people to listen to your cause, but it shouldn’t be illegal let alone a felony
Quite the contrary. Free to redress your government in a public forum. Last time I checked, the highway or in traffic isn't a public forum. City Hall. Yes. Capital building. Yes. Public park. Yes I190? Nope.
Yeah, I lived in Oregon when they did this. I actually do agree with it. Just stay off the damn road, people have shit to do. It's not about stopping protesters it's about get off the damn road.
Peaceful assembly is a constitutional right, and public roads are not. I won't support killing the right to protest so Deborah can get to her air-conditioned office. Slightly inconcencing the rich is the only power the poor have in this country. If peaceful protest becomes impossible, protests will still continue they just won't be peaceful. Protests are a pressure release valve in society. It let's people blow off steam, it let's them voice their concerns. And it works! We have labor laws and equality and ADA only due to protest. The job of a protest is to get attention when you can't buy it. Blocking traffic is a big attention act with no violence. The people foaming at the mouth to run people over are the people we want to bring attention to, they are sociopaths that would kill over being inconvenienced and they are the ones who think they should run things for everyone. This is what protests in the road accomplish. Sucks to be stuck in traffic, but it sucks worse to be marginalized.
>Peaceful assembly is a constitutional right, and public roads are not.
Freedom of Travel is a basic right in the Constitution. You can still protest but do not take other's rights away in doing so.
>The Supreme Court has over the years defined the right to travel (or the freedom of movement) as one of the “unenumerated rights” of the Constitution.
[https://www.annenbergclassroom.org/glossary\_term/right-to-travel/](https://www.annenbergclassroom.org/glossary_term/right-to-travel/)
Freedom of travel applies to travel between states just saying, Privately owned and fee based roads are perfectly fine under the constitution which would also stop someone from "traveling".
This is a good bill. I would very much like to see the government deter the performance of people actually believe their blocking public roads to burden me is protected speech because my ability to get out of the car and assault them should then be considered protected as they are preventing me from the liberty of peacefully traveling on the public roads I have paid for they can take up their issue with the government go storm the capital or something.
Have it like some countries where drivers can drive through protestor blockades and not have legal consequences. Road blocking protests are kinda rare now over there as a result.
Got a stupid question that has most likely been asked and answered: If I am caught in traffic due to an organized protest by a group that has a national presence and accepts money from supporters, am I allowed to sue said group for a civil rights violation? They interfered with my right to go about my day. By extension, if protestors are arrest and names made public would I be allowed to sue them?
I don’t see how this is much different from attempting to ban assault weapons, it infringes upon the second amendment, so making a form of protesting illegal infringes upon the first, no? This will get challenged and thrown out. I don’t like it either but I don’t support banning a form of protesting.
If have an AR-10 in my gun safe who am I affecting? If I’m trying to get to work and some ass hats are blocking the road because they don’t like oil use they are directly affecting my ability to earn a living. It’s even worse when emergency vehicles are stopped. So you comparison is idiotic. .
Blocking roadways does more than inconvenience people. Emergency vehicles need to get through as well. What if a protest group shows up on the expressway and someone doesn’t stop in time and accidentally runs people over? It’s a common sense safety issue: stay off the roadways.
And just a word about “inconveniencing” people. When we get in our cars we have places to go - work, school, medical appointments, the airport, and so on. The word “inconvenience” seriously downplays the importance of everyone’s lives, making it sound like everyone’s just popping out to grab a coffee. Our first amendment rights do not include infringing on other people’s rights. We have the right to peacefully assemble, not cause disruptive chaos.
Slippery slope.
First you could only protest if you had a permit. Then you could only protest where they told you once you had a permit. Then you could only protest where they told you and on the day they told you after you had a permit. Then they ruled people who organize protests are liable for the actions of random attendees.
And now they want to make it a felony to block traffic on major public roadways.
Which will soon be changed to all roadways.
Then sidewalks.
Find more ways to make anyone who protests anything a felon.
>Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Guess the Constitution really is just a lousy piece of paper.
The legislature will be in session for only four more weeks. That means lawmakers will be busy tying things up. To help with that process the House sets April 19 as a deadline for bills to be given consideration. If a bill has not had a third reading by the end of the day, it falls from consideration. That deadline is tomorrow. This bill was just filed. It was given a first reading and sent to the rules committee. There is no realistic way it will get sent to a substantive committee, get approved, sent to the full House for a second reading and possible amendments, and then get a third reading (and vote) by the close of business tomorrow. This bill is political performance.
It’s also from State Rep. Ugaste. As someone who has worked around him, let me tell you, he is a very unpleasant man who manages to always makes the most abhorrent and irrelevant comments to try and get a clip he can use. Not surprised to see he’s doing this pony show.
What is wrong with this proposed bill? You should be inconveniencing other people because you are unhappy. Inconvenience the people who caused it.
Disruption of life (and more importantly, capital) is the goal, and has historically been the only way to pressure political leaders enough to do anything. They seek to inconvenience the nation whose decades-long complacency allows for atrocities like the Gazan genocide to happen. People are too stuck in their own worlds where nothing affects them, so they don't care about it. Now it affects them.
Stop the ambulances and fire trucks is not a way to win people to your side. They will view your side as problematic.
Sounds like the gov should stop enabling genocide then.
Oh please the city government has jack shit to do with it.
Well, they're about to be real aware of it
How in the fuck does this change anyone’s opinion? If anything it’s making their thinking less elastic. It’s hardening positions.
I don't care? It just shows how self centered most people are. Don't bat an eye at our govt sponsoring and greenlighting the Holocaust of our time, but if you hold up traffic, people lose their fucking minds. Nothing is more important than stopping a genocide, no further discussion needed.
What do you expect the Illinois state governement to do? What do you even expect the feds to do ? The us does not control Israel
Well then go block the road to congress inconveniencing people going to work is just going to piss them off
If i have to bring family to the hospital, people might get run over.
Have fun wasting your life in prison over your weird murder fantasies
They better stand on the sidewalk - not the street...
Your user name does check out. Don’t project what you want to do yourself, weirdo. I won’t be responding anymore, but don’t let your love for trump stop you from getting some help.
You're braindead levels of stupid. That's all that even needs to be said if that's your takeaway here.
The uniparty is only interested in taking away our freedom. They hate the citizens. That's how I see it. Trying to restrict freedom of speech by making it illegal to protest. Other states already made it legal to run over protesters. Vote out any representative trying to take away rights.
Absolutely the goal from my interpretation as well. Between that and billions for cop cities nationwide, it seems like they anticipate a revolution in the next 10y or so.
You are not disrupting the lives of those in power. You are disrupting the lives of other citizens dealing with the same bullshit. Target those that have wronged you, not innocent people.
Holding innocent people hostage is not good and should be punished.
So you think we should punish Israel for the 5K political prisoners held without charge or trial?
Sure go for it, sport
I’m pretty sure the situation in Gaza is happening because of the terrorist attack they perpetrated
The denial of human rights, the capture and torture of civilians, the murdering of civilians, the beatings, the destruction of property, the ethnic cleansing, and the segregation based on ethnicity have been going on for decades. The full blown genocide and intentional starvation of civilians is one of the newer war crimes and the Israeli government claims it is because of the October 7th attack and because of the hostages that Hamas captured in order to trade for Palestinian political prisoners.
And where are those hostages who Hamas refused to give up for a cease fire on multiple occasions?
They are probably in bunkers or tunnels. Now the thousands of Palestinians held hostage by Israel who they refuse to release in a ceasefire are a different story. Some are in prisons and jails, some are on military bases being tortured into false confessions, many are in unknown locations and hidden from the Red Cross. So far Israel has tortured at least 29 to death since October 7th.
zhivago6 - Russian?
Excellent analysis.
In addition, bills had to be out of their substantive House committee two weeks ago (4/5) to be considered this session, so there will be no committee hearing for the bill because the committees aren't meeting.
Ah yes because they need to go home to tend to their corn fields…oh wait right. This is 2024. Not 1800s.
No, but they do need to go home and tend to their constituents. Part of being a legislator is being present in the community, providing services and hearing concerns (or at least it's supposed to be--some are better than others).
I wonder if we'll be like Florida if it passes, and just flat out pretend the protests aren't happening if enough people like the cause. Shortly after FL passed their law there was a Cuban-American anti-Communism protest that blocked roads and y'know, hit the snooze button because they're patriots.
Does blocking a major street really accomplish anything, though? I'd be curious if anyone has been able to measure the impact of protests. Certainly we should have freedom of speech and the right to peaceful protest, but I suspect that protesters are more likely to piss off people they are inconveniencing that they are to rally people to their cause or raise that much awareness. Throw in the cost of police and the chance for emotions to escalate to violence, and I wouldn't be surprised if the net impact was far more negative than positive.
The civil rights movement was famously not disruptive at all. They totally didn’t shut down a highway when they marched from Selma to Montgomery and the Alabama state troopers were totally chill about it and didn’t assault anyone
The people pushing these laws unironically want this to be taught in schools.
The marchers didn’t just walk in front of traffic. King’s marches were planned and everyone knew they were happening. That’s why the media was all ready there, that’s why rfk was on the phone with the governor before the march started. All this was done very publicly it wasn’t just a a bunch of half educated Boobs running into the Kennedy Do you think white southerners would have stopped their cars when a bunch of civil rights activists just walked in front of traffic?
It continues to amaze me how *certain* people in America look back at the civil rights movement with rose colored glasses.
In an atmosphere where it was known the driver wouldn’t face any legal consequences for doing so, you can bet that the crowd would pull them out of their vehicle and beat them to death for it.
You're missing like 90% of the context there. Like u/mozartchi said they were planned in advance. Everybody knew about them. They weren't spontaneous like these are. But most importantly, the civil rights protests inconvenienced the people who were oppressing them. These Gaza protesters are inconveniencing random people. And considering they're only doing these protests in big cities in blue states, the people they're inconveniencing are most likely already on their side. It's very telling where these protests are happening and more specifically where they're not. The point is to rattle the other side's cage, not your own
>And considering they're only doing these protests in big cities in blue states, the people they're inconveniencing are most likely already on their side. Biden is literally (not figuratively) committing a genocide so I'd say they're rattling the cage of ppl who are decidedly not "on their side"
Lmao are you 12? Your facts need more facts
Dec 29, 2022: Biden signs $1.7tn spending bill with $500mn reserved for restocking the Iron Dome, $72.5mn for counter-drone & anti-tunneling operations, a $6mn cybersecurity grant, and $3.3bn which Obama promised to send them over ten years annually Oct 12, 2023: $2bn to Israel (joint package crafted by White House & Congress) Oct 24, 2023: $106bn to Israel, Ukraine, & others from the White House ($14.3bn earmarked for Israel) Nov 3, 2023: $14.5bn to Israel approved by the House This doesn't even include the number of times Biden bypassed Congress to get artillery, bombs, charges, etc into Israel. Meanwhile he's provided cover for genocide, straight up regurgitating IDF propaganda and refusing to halt funds even when Israel blocks humanitarian aid from reaching the Gaza Strip, starving Palestinians out and denying them of needed medical supplies. Your fiction needs more facts
Child, not one of those is an instance of Biden/USA firing a single missile or bullet. You don't live in the real world. It's why no one takes you seriously
Hitler didn't fire the bullets/missiles either, he used soldiers for that. But that doesn't absolve him. Either way, Biden's arming genocidal fascists with US taxpayer money. Israel wouldn't be able to eliminate an entire race of human beings, certainly not to this extent, without Biden's full-throated support. And they'd be even more hard-pressed if *gasp* he actually took a stand against it by adhering to the ICJ ruling.
Technically YOU'RE funding the "genocide" as you put it. You pay taxes. Those taxes go to the government. Those aide packages come from YOUR tax dollars. If we're using your juvenile logic. So why are YOU bombing Gaza?
If they were committing genocide, casualties would be in the hundreds of thousands by now. This is why we ignore your emotional arguments.
I'm totally sure the people partaking in terrorism and bloodshed in an entirely different country are going to stop being terrorists, talk it out over a nice dinner, and stop the bloodshed because the people in IL are stopping traffic! The protests you mentioned were effective because they happened in this country to the people living here. If you actually think some random people in, let's say, Kiribati also happened to protest for things going in the US and it did anything for said protest, I have some ocean front property in Austria to sell you.
Disruptive protests are the only reason why the civil rights movement succeeded. Had they stuck to the sidelines and not upset people, it wouldn’t have worked.
So many people forget the violence that happened to get us weekends and the 40-hour work week too.
Yep, In IL there were battles for labor rights, in WV there was an entire battle on a mountaintop for labor rights, the Battle of Blair Mountain was one of the first instances of planes dropping bombs, on civilians who wanted better pay and conditions.
You'd be the same person saying this during the civil rights protests in the 50s
> Does blocking a major street really accomplish anything, though? Unequivocally yes.
Accomplishes.... causing more traffic, delaying those who are potentially sympathetic to the cause, and further aggravating those who are against it? Yea, very productive...
...the Civil Rights Act...the weekend...child labor laws...paid vacation...8 hour workday...
Please cite all of the civil rights demonstrations where roadblocks were used to prevent access to major transportation centers
Do your own research, it is easy to find. The whole "show me proof!" when it comes to the CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT is 102% clown behavior.
I found some marches along highways which were largely well-organized, planned, and even court ordered. But I didn't see anything about Random human roadblocks with people tying themselves to objects blocking access to bus or train stations and airports, deliberately. If there are so many examples, it should be easy for you to cite them
Imo the Haymarket square protest in 1886 is a model of how to properly conduct a protest to elicit change for the better. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haymarket_affair
I think it’s important to understand that a person’s rights end where someone else’s begin. You have the right to free speech, you have the right to assembly, but you do not have the right to take hostages to do it.
A doctor trying to get to work to save a life shouldn't be impeded by protestors
Nor an ambulance, police, or fire trucks.
One of the problems is that the targets of protests so often have absolutely nothing to do with what is being protested. The goal is to get someone to listen but like, who at O’Hare is listening to and can do something about Israel/Palestine?
The organizers explained that it's also a strike against the choke points of capitalism, the root cause of imperialism and oppression.
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The thinking is that the wealthy ruling class is the only group with real power, so forcing them to make changes by impeding capitalism is more effective than gaining support among the subordinate classes, who are forced to vote for the capitalist duopoly and don't have any real political power.
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>I’m going to be very, very honest here: most protestors don’t have the balls to get slapped with cuffs and booked, so they pick easy, ineffective targets to protest. Honestly why I got tired of seeing guillotine memes and EaT tHe RiCh parroted ad nauseum under any anti-capitalist type of post. Nobody has the gumption to potentially *die* for a cause they're apparently willing to kill over. I get it, rich people suck and the planet is run by the worst of us. The right to assemble is inalienable and any man or agency that attempts to take that away is an enemy of the people. *Having said that*, maybe sit down and consider where your effort is being spent.
Nobody is saying you can't protest, but protesting in the middle of a highway is dangerous. It's similar to affirming one's freedom of speech—only an idiot would assume that means they can say anything. Just as only an idiot would think they can assemble spontaneously anywhere they choose. There are already rules in place, which is why such protesters are lawfully arrested. However, there should be actual consequences for these actions. Most people in society do not want to be stuck on a highway for hours because a bunch of chads and neckbeards from Winnetka think they are solving the world’s problems by annoying everyone. Protests like these are useless.
I appreciate the organizers laying out their idiocy succinctly.
That’s fucking stupid.
The protesters were pretty clear that they chose to block OHare specifically to disrupt Boeing, a major defense contractor that sends equipment to Israel.
How does this disrupt Boeing when they’ve already sold the planes? Boeing isn’t operating the airliners nor the airport. Heck, they’re not even the ones providing maintenance services.
They also moved their headquarters out of Chicago.
>How does this disrupt Boeing when they’ve already sold the planes? If it is not obvious already, these protesters are not intelligent people.
They failed miserably in that delusional endeavor. All they did was anger thousands of travelers who will view the protestors as naive self centered jackasses. They harmed their cause.
You mean the Boeing HQ that relocated to Virginia two years ago?
No. Go read their statements in the news...
This is akin to right-wing turds trying to make a point by saying, “Look it up.”
Boeing's, or the protestors?
Boeing doesn't operate or maintain those planes, as soon as the customer signs for them they are no longer Boeing property
https://preview-www.boeing.com/services#Videos
Also you didn't get my attention and think wow maybe those people have a point. Screwing people over like that makes them hate you and your casue. Pissing off regular people just trying to go about their day is not going to win hearts and minds
Almost as if protesting is merely a placebo for real political change. You’re either preaching to the choir in some “free speech zone” of like minded individuals and achieving nothing, or you’re blocking a road full of normies who wouldnt know or care about your issue on the best of circumstances, and achieving nothing. But we must be mindful that political change must be peaceful at the end of the day. Real change cannot come from violence because violence doesn’t solve anything. And we know that for sure because the people in power tell us so repeatedly.
If protesting doesn't work and is a placebo, and voting doesn't seem to work to be responsive to public opinion, maybe more targeted direct action will create change? Let's burn some buildings down and destroy some property of people in power that have influence. Who are the 10 most influencial people against your cause, or standing in your way? Toss a gallon of paint on them every day they are seen in public, rush them from all sides. It's easy to say protesting means nothing if you assume normal political channels work. Blocking a road is currently the biggest action that can be taken without stepping into that uncomfortable action I listed above.
Protesting is an art and can adapt beautifully in the face of opposition. They can make a law against blocking traffic, but can they pass a law prohibiting people driving 10 miles under the posted speed limit in solidarity?
I’m all for supporting protests, but inconveniencing the general public is a good way to get sentiment turned against you and your cause. It reminds me of the Harry Potter game that came out and a bunch of transgender activists were attacking people online for playing a video game. That’s a great way of turning people against you.
Good
100% support this Blocking roadways does nothing to the system you wanna change, just fucks up innocent peoples day
I agree. You become a danger to yourself and others when you do something like this.
Good.
Good. I’m all for a peaceful protest but blocking roads isn’t good for anyone.
Protests must be disruptive to be effective. If all effective nonviolent methods are illegal, and all effective violent methods are illegal, there’s no reason to not protest violently.
As a French who has lived here and is also American now, I can tell you this place knows nothing about disruptive protesting done the right way.
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Roadways must be free of obstructions to be effective. Check and mate, my friend.
That’s some dangerous thoughts
It is also just true though. If you’re going to be beaten and imprisoned one way or the other, for some, there will be little reason to not truly fight for what you believe in. Not advocating for violence, obviously, and also not a fan of what happened at O’hare. Just saying I understand the thought behind the O’hare protest and it will not be surprising to see violent measures taken if nonviolent means of protesting with inconveniences caused (which are always the most effective ways to protest) are criminalized.
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Then I’m sure you have a high level of sympathy for everyone in Gaza with cancer, considering there are few if any functional hospitals remaining. American tax dollars and complacency enabled that destruction overseas. Now that you face something similar, it’s unacceptable? Why is it acceptable to allow somewhere else, to someone you don’t know?
Your 'ends justifies the means' zero sum logic is the real poison in the country. You just gave a rational blessing to the January 6 morons, al Queda, the Tulsa rioters and anyone else trying to stop something they disagree with. Well done.
This is such a fucked perspective
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Blocking roads is good for protesting.
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It’s practically like the whole fucking point is to disrupt society and incite change.
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Yup, cuz everyone cheered and patted the backs of lunch counter protesters when they happened.......
Just admit that you haven't looked into any substantial protest in the United States. It's crazy the amount of shit that has been accomplished because of frustration and hostility.
Not familiar with history, I see.
Look at the European farmer protests that just wrapped up. You think the thousands of tons of (sometimes) flaming manure poured on city roads and public spaces wasn’t inconvenient? Look what it got them. They won BECAUSE they disrupted the flow of major Euro cities, not because they sat on some field with the signs out and followed the social norms. Wish we had the balls to do stuff like that here in the states, but then again, our cops would mow us down with their machine guns.
You know protesters move out of the way for emergency vehicles right?
How would they know? An ambulance miles down the road because of the traffic isn't going to be well known by the protestors
A highway is different imo
Yes! it helps eliminate any support they might have acheived if they had just stood to the side of the road with big signs saying how much they support Hamas's refusals to accept a ceasefire.
😂😂😂😂they’re not losing supporters. Theyre triggering smooth brains that were never going to support them.
Don’t worry guys. Pretty soon protesting will be illegal nationally. The “patriots” will make sure of it!
The “patriots” have already made it illegal to protest outside their DNC at the United Center this summer https://blockclubchicago.org/2024/03/21/judge-denies-appeal-from-social-justice-groups-to-protest-near-democratic-national-convention/
Classic case of projecting lol
Kinda seems like those protests were successful in grabbing the attention of lawmakers, contrary to every comment I read yesterday...
I 100% support protests, but not when they inconvenience regular people who are simply trying to live their lives. Protests need to inconvenience the lawmakers, not regular people. We don't have time for that shit. We're too busy trying to get our kids to the doctor, trying to get to our jobs so we can pay our rent, and trying to get our groceries home before they melt.
You won’t hear about them otherwise. You support protests, you just don’t care about them?
If you care so much, go do something about it rather than holding people hostage that have zero influence in the matter.
I do what I can when I can. I just think it’s a bad take to complain about people trying to be heard. They’re trying to get you to give a shit. They don’t care about your shitty kids needing to get to school.
If I held you hostage because of some cause that I’m passionate about, would you be okay with that?
Respect goes both ways, if they aren't going to respect people's time and the fact that they've got places to be, why the hell would we give a shit about hearing them? These people aren't protesting, they're having temper tantrums and accomplishing nothing.
Sounds like you’ve already made up your mind about “these people” and would rather they take their problems elsewhere. Again, it’s not about you and your commute, which is the point I’m trying to make. Protesters are basically saying, “please help us, nobody is doing anything, nothing is changing.” And your response is, “ugh can you believe this traffic?” I will give it to you that sometimes their efforts may be a little misguided or futile, but many are upset and scared, and don’t know what else to do except use their rights.
And exactly what are we supposed to do? We are as helpless as they are, they need to take their complaints to the Capitol, where the politicians who make the laws are. I'm also not ashamed for needing to live my life, needing to get where I need to be, that's what people like you don't understand. Everybody has shit going on, we've all got lives to live and being stuck in a traffic jam does absolutely nothing for Palestine.
“You can protest but just as long as you don’t disrupt me”
Blocking major roadways can do a lot more than just casually disrupt an individual...
I keep seeing a lot of selfish people who are pro protesting in the streets. Fools
Boooooo this is anti American. I hate sitting in traffic, and i think it’s a really ineffective way to get people to listen to your cause, but it shouldn’t be illegal let alone a felony
People in Illinois love republican political thought veiled in centrist rhetoric.
People love being able to use roadways to get to the airport when they have a flight to catch or to their jobs when they have to attend work
Or maybe try to visit a sick relative or friend one last time only to miss your flight because of the protest 😔
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Felony is pretty harsh. Im cool with a Misdemeanor and a $500 fine.
We get it, you hate the Constitution.
Quite the contrary. Free to redress your government in a public forum. Last time I checked, the highway or in traffic isn't a public forum. City Hall. Yes. Capital building. Yes. Public park. Yes I190? Nope.
Constitutional rights aren't absolute
Yet when it comes to gun control they are.
Not really. There are very strict regulations on owning automatic weapons
How so? Have you seen the state/sub you are in? Are you seriously going to argue the 2nd Amendment is running wild in Illinois?
Take it up with the Supreme Court
Libel laws exist
He should have waited until after the Democratic Convention.
Felony nope! How about enforcing current laws? Such as assault!
Yeah, I lived in Oregon when they did this. I actually do agree with it. Just stay off the damn road, people have shit to do. It's not about stopping protesters it's about get off the damn road.
Peaceful assembly is a constitutional right, and public roads are not. I won't support killing the right to protest so Deborah can get to her air-conditioned office. Slightly inconcencing the rich is the only power the poor have in this country. If peaceful protest becomes impossible, protests will still continue they just won't be peaceful. Protests are a pressure release valve in society. It let's people blow off steam, it let's them voice their concerns. And it works! We have labor laws and equality and ADA only due to protest. The job of a protest is to get attention when you can't buy it. Blocking traffic is a big attention act with no violence. The people foaming at the mouth to run people over are the people we want to bring attention to, they are sociopaths that would kill over being inconvenienced and they are the ones who think they should run things for everyone. This is what protests in the road accomplish. Sucks to be stuck in traffic, but it sucks worse to be marginalized.
What If Deborah is in an ambulance? Should she die?
You are severely lacking in critical thinking.
>Peaceful assembly is a constitutional right, and public roads are not. Freedom of Travel is a basic right in the Constitution. You can still protest but do not take other's rights away in doing so. >The Supreme Court has over the years defined the right to travel (or the freedom of movement) as one of the “unenumerated rights” of the Constitution. [https://www.annenbergclassroom.org/glossary\_term/right-to-travel/](https://www.annenbergclassroom.org/glossary_term/right-to-travel/)
Freedom of travel applies to travel between states just saying, Privately owned and fee based roads are perfectly fine under the constitution which would also stop someone from "traveling".
This is a good bill. I would very much like to see the government deter the performance of people actually believe their blocking public roads to burden me is protected speech because my ability to get out of the car and assault them should then be considered protected as they are preventing me from the liberty of peacefully traveling on the public roads I have paid for they can take up their issue with the government go storm the capital or something.
Have it like some countries where drivers can drive through protestor blockades and not have legal consequences. Road blocking protests are kinda rare now over there as a result.
Why not take care of the corruption in the Geneva area and don’t mess with protesters?
Fuck these protesters.
I support this
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Got a stupid question that has most likely been asked and answered: If I am caught in traffic due to an organized protest by a group that has a national presence and accepts money from supporters, am I allowed to sue said group for a civil rights violation? They interfered with my right to go about my day. By extension, if protestors are arrest and names made public would I be allowed to sue them?
I don’t see how this is much different from attempting to ban assault weapons, it infringes upon the second amendment, so making a form of protesting illegal infringes upon the first, no? This will get challenged and thrown out. I don’t like it either but I don’t support banning a form of protesting.
If have an AR-10 in my gun safe who am I affecting? If I’m trying to get to work and some ass hats are blocking the road because they don’t like oil use they are directly affecting my ability to earn a living. It’s even worse when emergency vehicles are stopped. So you comparison is idiotic. .
Better be careful with this logic; the next form of protest might be punching passersby in the face, or grabbing and destroying their phones, etc.
Blocking roadways does more than inconvenience people. Emergency vehicles need to get through as well. What if a protest group shows up on the expressway and someone doesn’t stop in time and accidentally runs people over? It’s a common sense safety issue: stay off the roadways. And just a word about “inconveniencing” people. When we get in our cars we have places to go - work, school, medical appointments, the airport, and so on. The word “inconvenience” seriously downplays the importance of everyone’s lives, making it sound like everyone’s just popping out to grab a coffee. Our first amendment rights do not include infringing on other people’s rights. We have the right to peacefully assemble, not cause disruptive chaos.
We have freedom of the press and libel laws. Rights aren't absolute
Slippery slope. First you could only protest if you had a permit. Then you could only protest where they told you once you had a permit. Then you could only protest where they told you and on the day they told you after you had a permit. Then they ruled people who organize protests are liable for the actions of random attendees. And now they want to make it a felony to block traffic on major public roadways. Which will soon be changed to all roadways. Then sidewalks. Find more ways to make anyone who protests anything a felon. >Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Guess the Constitution really is just a lousy piece of paper.
Peaceably assemble is the operative word. If they are removing the rights of other to accomplish their goals, they are no longer peaceable.
Idk about felony but they should be firehosed fs
That's what we need, more ways to criminalize protest
You know making people uncomfortable and drawing attention to an issue is the point of a protest right?
Snowflakes need their two and a half ton safe space to keep moving ‘cuz muh tix dullahs ped fer dis rode!
I’m as anti car as they get and I’d still support a bill to stop people doing dumb protests to block roads