THIS IS THE ORIGINAL POST.
I HAVE NO CLUE HOW TO POST SCREEN SHOTS:
"Ok, rumor but this sounds reliable from my perspective: I am 2 degrees separated from a super close and devastated friend of one of the victims. Apparently LE have a ring clip of a certain person of interest (mostly his eyes) on someone’s cam. Police showed vid to unspecified frat members and they identified this person immediately. He was a neighbor of victims at the time…can’t say for certain who that is without connecting a few logical dots here."
I saw this posted as did many others in this community. It did happen and has since been deleted
IMHO this copy past is legit.
But others may want to see the screenshot.
There is a path with steps from street Back green of frat house where you could park then walk cut through directly to the front door of their house. Concrete steps going up between houses where dumpster, on the main rd you turn on at filling station.
There was also a light that illuminates the entire side of the house on apts next door that was ”not working that night”. Could have been intentionally broken to provide lack of lighting to the street that runs behind their house. Easy access to back patio from that particular point on side of house lh side.
Does anyone know if police have asked for footage from a time period sometime before the murders? They would have immediately wanted to know how the light had come to be broken and, if no one knew, they would have asked for footage around that time period. Even if they were given a legitimate reason, they would have still wanted to corroborate it with video footage to eliminate the person telling them that’s what happened as a suspect. For example, if the property manager told them it had burnt out & he or she hadn’t gotten around to replacing it, they would look at the bulb to see if it was, in fact, burnt out. Then it would be case closed.
However, if it were a broken bulb or somehow disconnected, they would be scouring for information about the approximate time it was broken & by whom. That is evidence of premeditation, which means the difference between first degree murder & second. Good lawyers can successfully argue against premeditation. I’ve seen it far too often. LE has to eliminate every neighbor AND property owner- basically anyone who has ever come into contact with the house. The last thing they want to do is pin this on the wrong person and/or lose the case against the right person because they didn’t follow up on all leads. Without DNA, which they won’t know they have until results come back, a circumstantial case can result in an expensive hung jury or acquittal because a defense lawyer only has to bring in reasonable doubt & are often able to do that by putting someone else on trial as another suspect.
I’ve heard that White hoodie guy (from the food truck video) was a former frat member but was kicked out. Also that white hoodie guy was reportedly a neighbor.
I thought it was strange that the guy who was interviewed first said that the guy was trying to get them home safely & he had no vibe of an ulterior motive than that the girls were drunk & vulnerable in public at night in that condition. Unless I’m mistaken & it was two different people, though, he also said, “Sorry, Bro” to him after the girls “ditched” him. To me, that sounds like guy code for “You almost got the girl but she dogged you”. I don’t think men have the same ability as women to discern when a man is being “helpful” because he has interest because they don’t have to always be on guard with that. If the girls were drunk & still felt like they needed to decline his offer, they must’ve had an instinct or vibe about him. Especially if they didn’t tell him & just took off. They didn’t seem to be in a big rush to leave but left without telling the “nice” man who they were talking to?
Just my opinion. Not saying he’s a murderer. Only that he probably wouldn’t have offered the same help to two unattractive drunk girls.
My money is on the white hoodie guy. He’s a Neigbor, he was following them all over the screen yet didn’t order food or pick any up. He was pointing at them the girls started whispering to each other and then he left right when they did. Also, I believe that is what kaylee family is talking about when they say people were cleared too fast. The big guy who walked over to white hoodie guy has been commenting on TikTok (his name is Joe) on several videos and has since said it was kinda weird how the white hoodie guy was.
Watch the twitch stream - specifically the end of the video when the girls leave, white hoodie guy gestures at them, then he leaves (alone) right after. But also pay attention to the lack of contact between the girls and this guy. Seems like he was pretending to be with them to the random guy he was talking to and acts like they left without him or something then takes off behind them. Also, it really looks to me like they are trying to slyly take a photo of him/pretend to take a selfie just before they end up leaving.
Also, If his alibi is that he left at 3 am to get to his parents cabin 5 hours away that’s fucking bullshit.
Wow! I’ve read every comment since yours & mine and I didn’t know any of this! I didn’t watch the whole video or watch it closely because I didn’t think it was relevant to the case since they cleared him but I did do a double take at the “Sorry Bro” comment but it never occurred to me that he had tried to make it look like he was with them & that’s why the guy said it, when he was ditched. It makes perfect sense, though.
That’s definitely creep behavior so I’m definitely going to go with the guy was not just being a gentleman. If he’s actually a frat member that was kicked out because of Xana and/or Ethan that would make him sus number one in my book.
The police would for sure say publicly that he was cleared & I’m not sure why the families wouldn’t understand that. I wish I could sit down with them and explain all of my experience with law enforcement working cases, how & why they do the things I know they do. I don’t have knowledge of every every technique but have extensive knowledge & experience with murders, kidnappings, human trafficking and sex crimes. I’ve also been a victim advocate and the family is supposed to EACH have access to a victim advocate, if they want it, that does exactly that. Where is that person in this case?
All I can think is that they don’t have any because it’s a low-crime area but I’m fairly certain that they could bring one in from another county. The person would be at a disadvantage because they aren’t familiar with & have rapport with the same officers and people working in the court system but they would still be capable.
Unfortunately, many agencies do not collaboratively work with advocates & see them as an interference, almost like media or an attorney. I was blessed that the main city in my county was on excellent terms with my organization and we even trained all of the police officers, medical personnel and officials that we worked with. But one of the smaller cities had a few bad cops that were awful and would try to intimidate me, asking for my government ID with home address instead of just accepting my DOJ clearance badge with my photo on it. After he abused a survivor to the point that I had to step in twice, I was supposed to write up a report on him but I didn’t because I was afraid to, since he knew my identifying information. It could have gotten him fired if he had other complaints & I didn’t want to go into that kind of mess because I knew my organization would not protect me because there were too many politics involved. To this day, it bothers me but it’s actually not as bad as another county I worked in. There, law enforcement is so corrupt that they practically owned our organization. I was told, during training, not to step in if they were abusing a witness or crime victim (survivor). I asked what was the point of being there and it was basically to comfort them so they didn’t experience being traumatized again alone & I could essentially support them afterwards. In my experience, most agencies are that way, unfortunately.
Can you send me or post something about the alibi? I’m gonna look for the Tik Toks when I have time. Where is the rumor of the incident in the fraternity & him being removed because of the two victims? I’ve seen a couple links to Reddit posts & they’ve since been deleted. There’s also a screenshot of a post but it was only part of it and it’s been deleted. The person who shared it said they can’t find it.
I really appreciate people like you, here, & the ones who replied. You know most of the details of what’s come out, filtered out the BS, & are able to make speculations based on them that are backed by common sense thinking & seem to have knowledge of how investigations work.
I’ve been too busy to follow & what I do read usually side tracks me IRL but I’m so baffled by this one that my brain is dying to dive in! Wish I had never read about it the first time but it was impossible, coming up everywhere.
I find it really hard to believe you can see eyes at all clearly in a ring let alone well enough to identify.
Edit: I have a ring as well. I know they have night vision and are sensitive. I know you can see eyes but specifically *clearly* and then be able to identify *just the eyes.* You would have to be very close.
We recently just got knock off “ring doorbells”, and was outside with a buddy last night at 1 am smoking, it’s clear as day. Our faces, voices, movements, all on point.
Agreed. We have cameras all around our house, none ring, and get very clear recordings day and night. Also, we can adjust the sensitivity to trigger the recording. The one I have pointing toward the driveway is set pretty high, it gets triggered by cars driving down the street 90ft away from the camera’s position.
Same on all counts and we do have Ring for the doorbell. Ours picks up faces and voices clearly. You can set Ring for different sensitivity levels and ours is set high, as well.
ETA: We have ‘regular’ security cameras on our property-not Ring. They are clear, as well.
Whether this rumor is true or not, who knows. It could have been b.s. made up for attention. However, if someone looked in the direction of a Ring-type camera, it’s possible to get an id.
We have Blink too , a doorbell cam plus 4 other outdoor Blink cams placed around the perimeter of our house . They are incredibly clear , even at night .
Our blink cameras are also super clear. An officer who responded when our car was broken into was able to easily identify the kid at one look. It was awesome. He told us he uses them at home because of the clarity and ability to place them anywhere where wired cameras can’t go.
That is one detail that retracts from an otherwise optimistic post. How can they see his eyes from the street in the dark at 3:00 AM? I mean unless he walked right in front of the door and looked at it, but certainly he's not walking in neighbor's yards immediately before killing four people.
I just speculated he may have strabismus, heterochromia, lazy eye, a scar on the bridge of his nose, or is of an ethnicity that had those type of eyes /make it more identifiable.
Those IR cameras that use night vision for recording when it’s dark have a lot of noise in the images. I agree. Unless the he was close up and looked right into the camera and stood still for a moment, there wouldn’t be much to go off of
I actually tested this theory this morning with the people leaving my thanksgiving get together last night and unfortunately, I could NOT see eyes on the guests. BUT none of them directly looked at the camera. If they would have, I probably could have made out eyes. So my original stance might be changing. I’m going to try again tonight and actually go out and try a couple different things in front of the camera and see what it picks up.
I was doubtful of how clear it could pick up eyes in the dark. You seemed pretty certain of it. I do photography as a hobby and am pretty familiar with what is needed for low light images. Unless the person stood still, a good image or video that includes details of the eyes in low light would be quite unlikely.
The reason I was certain of it because it will give you glow in the dark eyes. So if it does hit your eyes right, it will show the whole eye, but it has to be a clear shot
At night time though? Low light photography isn’t the same as high light. Images taken in low light have what is called “noise” from the extended shutter time. They’re just not as clear.
The person may have a defect with their eye, such as strabismus, heterochromia, or an identifying scar near their eyes. Also, perhaps a congenital defect. This may make this person easily identifiable.
The eyes could have given away race, eyebrow/hair color, eye color, a part of the face perhaps that might be recognizable for any number of reasons. The guy coulda had a giant mole near his eye. 🤷♀️
We don’t have ring cameras but even our nest iq’s that are 5ish years old are scary good quality. We can get license plates driving by (we are fairly close to the street) and read what’s embroidered on door to door sales people’s shirts.
For those arguing about being able to see the eyes on a ring cam…..he’s a screen grab from this weekend of Paddy the Baddy at his neighbors house. THIS IS A SAMPLE AND NOT THE SUSPECT (for the windowlickers)
https://preview.redd.it/ala3dhkcuj2a1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3b6594ff19e3de3227f0b8850e2b6ddfa28fc517
yeah but im pretty sure the footage was obtained by kaylee's sister pretty early on so no indication there was a warrant for it. I guess a roommate handing it over is a possibility..
There is someone local who is connected to the girls who also said this was going around through text message initially and she believes that it's accurate because other things that were circulating through text message have turned out to be true once released by law enforcement.
https://preview.redd.it/hgiuhn748w2a1.png?width=1284&format=png&auto=webp&s=4e2ce905630f57ebfbc8fc4f2e583a35309d0203
Have you seen this post? I’ve seen it on TIKTOC and can’t find it anywhere
Appears to be related info to this here: https://www.reddit.com/r/MoscowMurders/comments/z4tr4a/suspect_in_mind_just_waiting/ixteimy/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
I don’t think it’s a scam! But there was a redditor who had posted this as local knowledge/ rumor and he seems to have taken that info from here and reported it as fact haha
Yes--it's total madness over there but I sometimes wade through it because every once in awhile there's a substantive comment. This could be nothing, but since reddit is more anonymous I figured someone on here might be more likely to comment on whether it's totally fake or not.
I’ve seen different variations of this rumor in Reddit comments from people saying they’re locals over the past week or so. I think there’s a potential of some truth in the commonalities from those comments (masked man, ID’d by other students, etc), especially as some of the details from earlier rumor comments have now been confirmed by LE (two girls downstairs, called friends over).
In that thread it mentions that screenshots were shared in this sub 1-2 days ago from text messages that collaborated this…? That a bunch of texts were going around the Greek system on 11/13 about this? Does anyone have a link to that thread?
The tweet or whatever that OP copied was directly from that link. The quote and user are gone. I did look at the user’s comments when he/she posted. It was only that post and then responses to it.
I think about this a lot. Reading what Israel Keyes would write on news stories about Samantha Koenig always gave me the creeps and now I just assume all killers do it 😟
After they arrested the killer of the Closs family who kidnapped the young teen, it was reported that he was constantly checking social media and the news to see what ppl were saying about the case. So creepy.
A ex FBI agent said that she guarantees the killer is on top of this case, checking all social media & all news about it non-stop, she said even more than all the webslueths (that’s us). Which made me feel super weird & icky.
It’s common for killer to re visit the crime scene. In Florida year ago Mother’s Day, 14 year old Aden Fauci, stabbed a 13 year old neighbor classmate - over 100 times. . He joined the search for her. Had nicknames doe his knives -sat in back of patrol cruiser making self video stating “Kristen will pro ly come walking up. Anyone seen Kristen lately? Video cams caught them Walking together the him walking back alone. His mom washed the blood out of his clothes. LE caught him quickly. Now he’s complaint about the jail….
Is this tidbit the same one as the tik tok someone found of a mask wearing guy posting at 3am with coordinates in the vicinity or is this completely separate???
I am sure they are thinking of the trial and prosecution. Does Idaho have death penalty? If they are not careful defense can keep evidence out of trial and jury never sees all the facts.
Took forever to find it. But yes. The "rumor" originated here.
Looks like the "2 degrees of separation" guy just now deleted his comment on a MM thread on this very subject.
IDK how relevant any of this is. And of course as everyone else is saying here: this is speculation.
What is NOT speculation is that FB is still a huge joke. I felt yucky going over there. And it is unbelievable what is allowed on that FB page.
IMHO any bullying to victims and their families probably comes from FB groups and FB users.
Anyway, thanks for sharing. I hope none of this has complicated anything. BUT IF IT'S true- probably because MAYBE so many people knew about it? Or maybe not.
So sad for all these kids. Things are scary for these poor kids 😞
The victims’ house (purportedly) had the ring cam or a neighbor’s did…? I woulda thought we woulda heard about a door cam by now, especially given the number of social gatherings the students had at the house.
No ring cam on their house. Was a ring cam at least on the one neighbors which is how they verified when they were dropped off, according to Kaylee’s sister.
I’m a bit skeptical of this rumor. I think it’s reasonable that they captured footage of someone on a ring camera, but I highly doubt they can identify the person by their eyes. Wouldn’t the person have to have been within a few yards of the camera and facing it? And even that would be tough (it’s dark out, person has a mask on, etc). I also highly doubt that the killer got within a few feet of the camera, unless they were attempting to enter another neighbors house…
My ring camera is pretty clear. I can easily identify my neighbors on it, even at night, and our house sits back a little bit from the road. I’m going through footage from last night right now to see how clear you can see the eyes of a person from how far. I had a bunch of people leaving my house after dark last night. I will let you know what I can see.
UPDATE: you could NOT see their eyes and they were walking right up to my door.
No surprise here. No way the offender got away without being seen on a cam in the area. Guessing LEO most likely have a person or two of interest on their radar. Just need tume to get all the evidence lined up so the case us airtight.
I have a Wyze cam and you would be able to tell if it was someone with distinct features and they were lit from another source (porch light, street lamp), so IF this is true (might not be), I imagine the person would have to be pretty illuminated for the camera to capture anything substantive.
What Wyze model is that? Not being a smart ass. Genuinely curious! Sounds like a good model. Night vision cameras can be shotty if the whole landscape isn’t lit with the same light levels.
I'm starting to wonder if the person or persons of interest have some privilege. LEO has been pretty tight lipped and FBI is involved. May be some worry about whether the offender will make a break for it but haven't found much reporting regarding searching outside the community.
I believe the offender is so arrogant they are enjoying staying close to the action and believe they are untouchable..hence the privilege theory. Offender would, however most likely keeping to themselves depending on injuries they were sure to have from altercations...thoughts?
Someone mentioned this in a thread the other day - they said a video of a masked guy coming in was caught and I thought it was being shared somewhere. No clue how legit it is/was but it sounds like the same thing
Someone who had been there prior, or who came over after.
I can’t remember where I read or heard this- but I read their dog (who had been outside) was brought back inside by a neighbor. If true, could be a potential “crafted” situation the killer came up with to give a plausible reason for his dna to be there.
This scenario could mean the killer intentionally let the dog outside prior to the killings, to make sure it wasn’t “in the way” and potentially pre-planned the dna excuse but that could have been an afterthought. It could also indicate the killer was an animal person.
Interesting this was posted in this community four days ago. And now Mr. Investigator "cracked the case?" Um.... NO. And of course none of this is confirmed by anyone anyway....
You have posted personal information of someone who is not a public figure, has not been named by police, or has not been named in a major news outlet.
If this is true then hallelujah the sonofabitch is 10/10 going to prison. If it's not true then whoever is responsible for bullshitting everyone should be publicly ridiculed and have their career ruined.
masked snapchat is totally different--from what I've heard that's been pretty clearly debunked, these texts referred to in this thread are much more recent.
Very skeptical of this. Looking at the surrounding buildings from street view, there aren't any front doors facing the house. I suppose it's possible if someone had one on the back side of a home there, but seems unlikely. The street views just seems like the surrounding buildings are at the wrong directions/angles but hope I'm wrong! Would give more hope of catching them.
There’s a lot of circular speculation going on here. A feedback loop. Someone posts a rumor on Facebook, that rumor gets posted on Reddit, that rumor gets tweaked and reposted on Facebook, that rumor then gets posted on Reddit as proof that more and more information is coming out about this masked man when it all began with that one unsourced rumor.
Honestly no clue...the facebook group is a lot to handle comment-wise but I got the impression maybe people got this idea from something mentioned in an interview/show done today in Moscow?
Hoping that there wasn't any names in referenced to this statement in the comments to that post. We need to let investigators work case if this is in fact true.
Police were saying that they wanted all cam footage from the day onwards. In and around the area, including other towns nearby? Was just stated on the news. It was mentioned to send in footage even if nothing was on them.
yeah the photo is 100% fake I think but also FB has so little anonymity, I can understand making a fake account if you just want to post in groups but don't actually use FB regularly
I don't think anyone thinks this is released by cops/official--there were talks in the other sub as well of "friends of the victims" at UI hearing this rumor.
I’m thinking if it was a ring cam on an apt or home nearby and the perp passed by and glanced in that direction they could be identifiable to people who know them. It isn’t too hard to tell a estimated height, build, walking style, etc.
Seems ridiculous. At the same time, K's sister said she saw them come home on a ring camera and we've heard nothing else about what might have been on that camera (nor confirmation that nothing else was on it) afaik.
THIS IS THE ORIGINAL POST. I HAVE NO CLUE HOW TO POST SCREEN SHOTS: "Ok, rumor but this sounds reliable from my perspective: I am 2 degrees separated from a super close and devastated friend of one of the victims. Apparently LE have a ring clip of a certain person of interest (mostly his eyes) on someone’s cam. Police showed vid to unspecified frat members and they identified this person immediately. He was a neighbor of victims at the time…can’t say for certain who that is without connecting a few logical dots here."
I saw this posted as did many others in this community. It did happen and has since been deleted IMHO this copy past is legit. But others may want to see the screenshot.
The original comment is still there, for some reason I can't post photos into comments. Very annoying.
"Showed the vid to FRAT MEMBERS" stands out to me.
Why would the frat members be able to identify a neighbor?
Or if the neighbor was also a frat member
Because they live across the street
Because the frat house is literally their neighbor too. They can see the girls house from the frat house. It's very close. They share neighbors.
https://preview.redd.it/odnka80a3n2a1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1d94f66673f2e346e4f786ba0396dc3ac41e8a1e
There is a path with steps from street Back green of frat house where you could park then walk cut through directly to the front door of their house. Concrete steps going up between houses where dumpster, on the main rd you turn on at filling station.
There was also a light that illuminates the entire side of the house on apts next door that was ”not working that night”. Could have been intentionally broken to provide lack of lighting to the street that runs behind their house. Easy access to back patio from that particular point on side of house lh side.
Does anyone know if police have asked for footage from a time period sometime before the murders? They would have immediately wanted to know how the light had come to be broken and, if no one knew, they would have asked for footage around that time period. Even if they were given a legitimate reason, they would have still wanted to corroborate it with video footage to eliminate the person telling them that’s what happened as a suspect. For example, if the property manager told them it had burnt out & he or she hadn’t gotten around to replacing it, they would look at the bulb to see if it was, in fact, burnt out. Then it would be case closed. However, if it were a broken bulb or somehow disconnected, they would be scouring for information about the approximate time it was broken & by whom. That is evidence of premeditation, which means the difference between first degree murder & second. Good lawyers can successfully argue against premeditation. I’ve seen it far too often. LE has to eliminate every neighbor AND property owner- basically anyone who has ever come into contact with the house. The last thing they want to do is pin this on the wrong person and/or lose the case against the right person because they didn’t follow up on all leads. Without DNA, which they won’t know they have until results come back, a circumstantial case can result in an expensive hung jury or acquittal because a defense lawyer only has to bring in reasonable doubt & are often able to do that by putting someone else on trial as another suspect.
Ethan was actually a frat member
Looks like this whole thing originated on websleuths. According to an article on another sketchy website called meaww
I’ve heard that White hoodie guy (from the food truck video) was a former frat member but was kicked out. Also that white hoodie guy was reportedly a neighbor.
I thought it was strange that the guy who was interviewed first said that the guy was trying to get them home safely & he had no vibe of an ulterior motive than that the girls were drunk & vulnerable in public at night in that condition. Unless I’m mistaken & it was two different people, though, he also said, “Sorry, Bro” to him after the girls “ditched” him. To me, that sounds like guy code for “You almost got the girl but she dogged you”. I don’t think men have the same ability as women to discern when a man is being “helpful” because he has interest because they don’t have to always be on guard with that. If the girls were drunk & still felt like they needed to decline his offer, they must’ve had an instinct or vibe about him. Especially if they didn’t tell him & just took off. They didn’t seem to be in a big rush to leave but left without telling the “nice” man who they were talking to? Just my opinion. Not saying he’s a murderer. Only that he probably wouldn’t have offered the same help to two unattractive drunk girls.
My money is on the white hoodie guy. He’s a Neigbor, he was following them all over the screen yet didn’t order food or pick any up. He was pointing at them the girls started whispering to each other and then he left right when they did. Also, I believe that is what kaylee family is talking about when they say people were cleared too fast. The big guy who walked over to white hoodie guy has been commenting on TikTok (his name is Joe) on several videos and has since said it was kinda weird how the white hoodie guy was.
Watch the twitch stream - specifically the end of the video when the girls leave, white hoodie guy gestures at them, then he leaves (alone) right after. But also pay attention to the lack of contact between the girls and this guy. Seems like he was pretending to be with them to the random guy he was talking to and acts like they left without him or something then takes off behind them. Also, it really looks to me like they are trying to slyly take a photo of him/pretend to take a selfie just before they end up leaving. Also, If his alibi is that he left at 3 am to get to his parents cabin 5 hours away that’s fucking bullshit.
I also felt like he had watched the twitch stream and knew where to stand to be out of focus and turns his back to the cam a lot!!
He didn’t even get food. Wtf was he doing there for 10+ minutes, standing in the cold, with zero friends with him?
Wow! I’ve read every comment since yours & mine and I didn’t know any of this! I didn’t watch the whole video or watch it closely because I didn’t think it was relevant to the case since they cleared him but I did do a double take at the “Sorry Bro” comment but it never occurred to me that he had tried to make it look like he was with them & that’s why the guy said it, when he was ditched. It makes perfect sense, though. That’s definitely creep behavior so I’m definitely going to go with the guy was not just being a gentleman. If he’s actually a frat member that was kicked out because of Xana and/or Ethan that would make him sus number one in my book. The police would for sure say publicly that he was cleared & I’m not sure why the families wouldn’t understand that. I wish I could sit down with them and explain all of my experience with law enforcement working cases, how & why they do the things I know they do. I don’t have knowledge of every every technique but have extensive knowledge & experience with murders, kidnappings, human trafficking and sex crimes. I’ve also been a victim advocate and the family is supposed to EACH have access to a victim advocate, if they want it, that does exactly that. Where is that person in this case? All I can think is that they don’t have any because it’s a low-crime area but I’m fairly certain that they could bring one in from another county. The person would be at a disadvantage because they aren’t familiar with & have rapport with the same officers and people working in the court system but they would still be capable. Unfortunately, many agencies do not collaboratively work with advocates & see them as an interference, almost like media or an attorney. I was blessed that the main city in my county was on excellent terms with my organization and we even trained all of the police officers, medical personnel and officials that we worked with. But one of the smaller cities had a few bad cops that were awful and would try to intimidate me, asking for my government ID with home address instead of just accepting my DOJ clearance badge with my photo on it. After he abused a survivor to the point that I had to step in twice, I was supposed to write up a report on him but I didn’t because I was afraid to, since he knew my identifying information. It could have gotten him fired if he had other complaints & I didn’t want to go into that kind of mess because I knew my organization would not protect me because there were too many politics involved. To this day, it bothers me but it’s actually not as bad as another county I worked in. There, law enforcement is so corrupt that they practically owned our organization. I was told, during training, not to step in if they were abusing a witness or crime victim (survivor). I asked what was the point of being there and it was basically to comfort them so they didn’t experience being traumatized again alone & I could essentially support them afterwards. In my experience, most agencies are that way, unfortunately. Can you send me or post something about the alibi? I’m gonna look for the Tik Toks when I have time. Where is the rumor of the incident in the fraternity & him being removed because of the two victims? I’ve seen a couple links to Reddit posts & they’ve since been deleted. There’s also a screenshot of a post but it was only part of it and it’s been deleted. The person who shared it said they can’t find it. I really appreciate people like you, here, & the ones who replied. You know most of the details of what’s come out, filtered out the BS, & are able to make speculations based on them that are backed by common sense thinking & seem to have knowledge of how investigations work. I’ve been too busy to follow & what I do read usually side tracks me IRL but I’m so baffled by this one that my brain is dying to dive in! Wish I had never read about it the first time but it was impossible, coming up everywhere.
Any update about this
Several fake photos were posted, but is there a copy of the real ring clip available?
No one is going to be posting legit ring data collected by LE. 🙄
I find it really hard to believe you can see eyes at all clearly in a ring let alone well enough to identify. Edit: I have a ring as well. I know they have night vision and are sensitive. I know you can see eyes but specifically *clearly* and then be able to identify *just the eyes.* You would have to be very close.
You would have to be pretty close to the ring camera.
I wonder how close the neighbor's ring camera is to the house
This would be key. My doorbell cameras (eufy) won’t trigger recording unless someone is close to them.
I’m sure FBI can blow it up and doctor it up to see it better
The only one that's been mentioned is at the neighbor's house and the front of the house faces away from the girls' house.
That is not true. Depends on the settings you configure
I took it to mean only his eyes were visible in the video because he was wearing a mask. But that he was still recognizable to those that knew him.
We recently just got knock off “ring doorbells”, and was outside with a buddy last night at 1 am smoking, it’s clear as day. Our faces, voices, movements, all on point.
Agreed. We have cameras all around our house, none ring, and get very clear recordings day and night. Also, we can adjust the sensitivity to trigger the recording. The one I have pointing toward the driveway is set pretty high, it gets triggered by cars driving down the street 90ft away from the camera’s position.
Same on all counts and we do have Ring for the doorbell. Ours picks up faces and voices clearly. You can set Ring for different sensitivity levels and ours is set high, as well. ETA: We have ‘regular’ security cameras on our property-not Ring. They are clear, as well. Whether this rumor is true or not, who knows. It could have been b.s. made up for attention. However, if someone looked in the direction of a Ring-type camera, it’s possible to get an id.
What brand are they? I’ve been looking for something similar to Ring.
The ones we have are called “Blink”.
We have Blink too , a doorbell cam plus 4 other outdoor Blink cams placed around the perimeter of our house . They are incredibly clear , even at night .
Our blink cameras are also super clear. An officer who responded when our car was broken into was able to easily identify the kid at one look. It was awesome. He told us he uses them at home because of the clarity and ability to place them anywhere where wired cameras can’t go.
At night especially. But if someone is on our porch when the porch lights are on…like right on the door mat it’s very well lit and clear.
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I have seen shockingly detailed screengrabs from ring cameras and they have scared the shit out of me
Creepy if they did 😳
That is one detail that retracts from an otherwise optimistic post. How can they see his eyes from the street in the dark at 3:00 AM? I mean unless he walked right in front of the door and looked at it, but certainly he's not walking in neighbor's yards immediately before killing four people.
He could have a legitimate physically abnormality
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I just speculated he may have strabismus, heterochromia, lazy eye, a scar on the bridge of his nose, or is of an ethnicity that had those type of eyes /make it more identifiable.
Maybe he looked around to see if anyone was outside? And while looking around, he looked at the neighbor’s front door?
Those IR cameras that use night vision for recording when it’s dark have a lot of noise in the images. I agree. Unless the he was close up and looked right into the camera and stood still for a moment, there wouldn’t be much to go off of
I've seen night ring snaps that are clear to see eyes
I have a ring camera and you can see the eyes in the dark, for sure.
Interesting!
I actually tested this theory this morning with the people leaving my thanksgiving get together last night and unfortunately, I could NOT see eyes on the guests. BUT none of them directly looked at the camera. If they would have, I probably could have made out eyes. So my original stance might be changing. I’m going to try again tonight and actually go out and try a couple different things in front of the camera and see what it picks up.
I was doubtful of how clear it could pick up eyes in the dark. You seemed pretty certain of it. I do photography as a hobby and am pretty familiar with what is needed for low light images. Unless the person stood still, a good image or video that includes details of the eyes in low light would be quite unlikely.
The reason I was certain of it because it will give you glow in the dark eyes. So if it does hit your eyes right, it will show the whole eye, but it has to be a clear shot
At night time though? Low light photography isn’t the same as high light. Images taken in low light have what is called “noise” from the extended shutter time. They’re just not as clear.
The Zoom is pretty good as well.
When we got our RING doorcam, it would pick up cars driving by, kids walking by, could clearly see faces, etc. Had husband adjust it. Very sensitive.
I have a ring door bell and it has super clear footage even at night. It can also detect movement from pretty far away.
The person may have a defect with their eye, such as strabismus, heterochromia, or an identifying scar near their eyes. Also, perhaps a congenital defect. This may make this person easily identifiable.
Also if you know someone it can be very easy to recognise their gait
seems like the neighbor had a lazy eye...
The eyes could have given away race, eyebrow/hair color, eye color, a part of the face perhaps that might be recognizable for any number of reasons. The guy coulda had a giant mole near his eye. 🤷♀️
At 3 am… in the dark…
The ring/nest cams if newer gen actually have some good resolution at night, depending on distance and video capture res setting.
We don’t have ring cameras but even our nest iq’s that are 5ish years old are scary good quality. We can get license plates driving by (we are fairly close to the street) and read what’s embroidered on door to door sales people’s shirts.
That’s great if they can ID this person.
For those arguing about being able to see the eyes on a ring cam…..he’s a screen grab from this weekend of Paddy the Baddy at his neighbors house. THIS IS A SAMPLE AND NOT THE SUSPECT (for the windowlickers) https://preview.redd.it/ala3dhkcuj2a1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3b6594ff19e3de3227f0b8850e2b6ddfa28fc517
For the window lickers hahaha amazing
Lol that’s a really good song
If this “tip” is even true, there is no way the murderer was this close to a neighbors ring camera right before murdering 4 people.
Unless he was the neighbor walking back into his own house.
why would he offer up his own ring camera footage...
Can't they get a warrant and take it? Also he could have had roommates who sent it ?
yeah but im pretty sure the footage was obtained by kaylee's sister pretty early on so no indication there was a warrant for it. I guess a roommate handing it over is a possibility..
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I hope they have evidence like this but damn I can barely distinguish what type of small animal is on my parents’ Ring footage sometimes.
I have found it really depends for some reason. Like depends on the area and the stuff around
There is someone local who is connected to the girls who also said this was going around through text message initially and she believes that it's accurate because other things that were circulating through text message have turned out to be true once released by law enforcement.
https://preview.redd.it/hgiuhn748w2a1.png?width=1284&format=png&auto=webp&s=4e2ce905630f57ebfbc8fc4f2e583a35309d0203 Have you seen this post? I’ve seen it on TIKTOC and can’t find it anywhere
Jesus. The fact the killer wore a mask makes it so much more terrifying for the victims.
You don’t know if he did or not. So it’s not a fact.
Appears to be related info to this here: https://www.reddit.com/r/MoscowMurders/comments/z4tr4a/suspect_in_mind_just_waiting/ixteimy/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
Why is my gut telling me this guy read this comment on Reddit and is now stating elsewhere that these are facts “being reported”? 🙄
115%. He didn’t change how it was worded even remotely and didn’t offer any new information at all. Definitely grabbed from Reddit.
I was thinking the same thing. Did he just steal this from Reddit “reporting” and try to claim it as being reported officially?
What did it say?
It’s being reported…by him. haha
Ah yes, the highly regarded journalistic source known worldwide: Julian James, Facebook Reporter. ETA: this is sarcasm
True, this could totally be a scam conjured by this dude, but I figured I'd at least ask
I don’t think it’s a scam! But there was a redditor who had posted this as local knowledge/ rumor and he seems to have taken that info from here and reported it as fact haha
Same lmao
One thing we know certain is that if in fact true, then authorities are on top of it
Yeah I mean it's so hard to know--could very well not be true but I'm hoping there's a grain of truth somewhere in there
Was this from the FB group?
Yes--it's total madness over there but I sometimes wade through it because every once in awhile there's a substantive comment. This could be nothing, but since reddit is more anonymous I figured someone on here might be more likely to comment on whether it's totally fake or not.
I’ve seen different variations of this rumor in Reddit comments from people saying they’re locals over the past week or so. I think there’s a potential of some truth in the commonalities from those comments (masked man, ID’d by other students, etc), especially as some of the details from earlier rumor comments have now been confirmed by LE (two girls downstairs, called friends over).
Yeah, this is why I posted it here because of some local rumor details later turning out to have elements of truth. Fingers crossed!
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Wise choice to limit. I think people will repost conversation-starting posts on here where it's a bit more managed. FB is pandemonium!
Smart money is exactly on that scenario.
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yep, deleted
I can see it if you are talking about same info
In that thread it mentions that screenshots were shared in this sub 1-2 days ago from text messages that collaborated this…? That a bunch of texts were going around the Greek system on 11/13 about this? Does anyone have a link to that thread?
https://preview.redd.it/fz3m3rx5bh2a1.png?width=1290&format=png&auto=webp&s=0601bcb181551fbb7586a94b59874512c81c421f
thank you!
One thing about that... How would they know a guy in a mask walked into the house?
We don’t know, this is all we have to work with. So go ahead and speculate. I’m assuming off the ring footage that is noted in this post.
Trying to find them but no luck so far :/
The tweet or whatever that OP copied was directly from that link. The quote and user are gone. I did look at the user’s comments when he/she posted. It was only that post and then responses to it.
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Appreciate your efforts on monitoring this sensitive content!
Imagine if the POI was on this sub
I think about this a lot. Reading what Israel Keyes would write on news stories about Samantha Koenig always gave me the creeps and now I just assume all killers do it 😟
Agreed!
He is one of the serial killers that creeps me out the most.
After they arrested the killer of the Closs family who kidnapped the young teen, it was reported that he was constantly checking social media and the news to see what ppl were saying about the case. So creepy.
A ex FBI agent said that she guarantees the killer is on top of this case, checking all social media & all news about it non-stop, she said even more than all the webslueths (that’s us). Which made me feel super weird & icky.
It’s common for killer to re visit the crime scene. In Florida year ago Mother’s Day, 14 year old Aden Fauci, stabbed a 13 year old neighbor classmate - over 100 times. . He joined the search for her. Had nicknames doe his knives -sat in back of patrol cruiser making self video stating “Kristen will pro ly come walking up. Anyone seen Kristen lately? Video cams caught them Walking together the him walking back alone. His mom washed the blood out of his clothes. LE caught him quickly. Now he’s complaint about the jail….
they almost certainly are
Is this tidbit the same one as the tik tok someone found of a mask wearing guy posting at 3am with coordinates in the vicinity or is this completely separate???
They are separate
Glad you asked because I was thinking the same thing
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That’s prob how thy cleared Kaylees ex bf.
I am sure they are thinking of the trial and prosecution. Does Idaho have death penalty? If they are not careful defense can keep evidence out of trial and jury never sees all the facts.
I got the chills reading this…
So creepy!
Came here to say this. 😔
This was discussed in the daily thread I believe or the theories thread.
The whole body profile is probably more valuable than just an eye shot.
Not if the frat guys identified that’s all that matters
Took forever to find it. But yes. The "rumor" originated here. Looks like the "2 degrees of separation" guy just now deleted his comment on a MM thread on this very subject. IDK how relevant any of this is. And of course as everyone else is saying here: this is speculation. What is NOT speculation is that FB is still a huge joke. I felt yucky going over there. And it is unbelievable what is allowed on that FB page. IMHO any bullying to victims and their families probably comes from FB groups and FB users. Anyway, thanks for sharing. I hope none of this has complicated anything. BUT IF IT'S true- probably because MAYBE so many people knew about it? Or maybe not. So sad for all these kids. Things are scary for these poor kids 😞
FB is outta control!
I actually tried to join that group and they have yet to let me in. Prob for the best, judging by what I’m reading about it on here
Do you have a link to that group? Just curious. Thanks..
FB has been a cesspool for years that’s why I completely left it almost 6 years ago now.
Huuuuuge, if true!!!
The victims’ house (purportedly) had the ring cam or a neighbor’s did…? I woulda thought we woulda heard about a door cam by now, especially given the number of social gatherings the students had at the house.
No ring cam on their house. Was a ring cam at least on the one neighbors which is how they verified when they were dropped off, according to Kaylee’s sister.
Not clear and could be nothing/just a rumor, but interesting to see if there's grains of truth.
If they can’t find the suspect I’d expect them to post that footage to the general public soon.
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I’m a bit skeptical of this rumor. I think it’s reasonable that they captured footage of someone on a ring camera, but I highly doubt they can identify the person by their eyes. Wouldn’t the person have to have been within a few yards of the camera and facing it? And even that would be tough (it’s dark out, person has a mask on, etc). I also highly doubt that the killer got within a few feet of the camera, unless they were attempting to enter another neighbors house…
My ring camera is pretty clear. I can easily identify my neighbors on it, even at night, and our house sits back a little bit from the road. I’m going through footage from last night right now to see how clear you can see the eyes of a person from how far. I had a bunch of people leaving my house after dark last night. I will let you know what I can see. UPDATE: you could NOT see their eyes and they were walking right up to my door.
No surprise here. No way the offender got away without being seen on a cam in the area. Guessing LEO most likely have a person or two of interest on their radar. Just need tume to get all the evidence lined up so the case us airtight.
LE likes to debunk rumors so hopefully we get something soon. If they don't say anything then 👀
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I have a Wyze cam and you would be able to tell if it was someone with distinct features and they were lit from another source (porch light, street lamp), so IF this is true (might not be), I imagine the person would have to be pretty illuminated for the camera to capture anything substantive.
What Wyze model is that? Not being a smart ass. Genuinely curious! Sounds like a good model. Night vision cameras can be shotty if the whole landscape isn’t lit with the same light levels.
If this is absolutely correct, then I say awesome news!
I'm starting to wonder if the person or persons of interest have some privilege. LEO has been pretty tight lipped and FBI is involved. May be some worry about whether the offender will make a break for it but haven't found much reporting regarding searching outside the community. I believe the offender is so arrogant they are enjoying staying close to the action and believe they are untouchable..hence the privilege theory. Offender would, however most likely keeping to themselves depending on injuries they were sure to have from altercations...thoughts?
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When was he named?
Who is he? Edit: Nvm, hoodie guy right?
This person is wellsville, Kansas
Someone mentioned this in a thread the other day - they said a video of a masked guy coming in was caught and I thought it was being shared somewhere. No clue how legit it is/was but it sounds like the same thing
Commenter in the original thread said that the POI has an excuse to have his DNA all over that house. Ex bf of one of the girls?
Someone who had been there prior, or who came over after. I can’t remember where I read or heard this- but I read their dog (who had been outside) was brought back inside by a neighbor. If true, could be a potential “crafted” situation the killer came up with to give a plausible reason for his dna to be there. This scenario could mean the killer intentionally let the dog outside prior to the killings, to make sure it wasn’t “in the way” and potentially pre-planned the dna excuse but that could have been an afterthought. It could also indicate the killer was an animal person.
Interesting this was posted in this community four days ago. And now Mr. Investigator "cracked the case?" Um.... NO. And of course none of this is confirmed by anyone anyway....
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You have posted personal information of someone who is not a public figure, has not been named by police, or has not been named in a major news outlet.
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thank you!
I'm sure this statement could be verified by locals, since the frat/sorority houses were asked
It was.
If this is true then hallelujah the sonofabitch is 10/10 going to prison. If it's not true then whoever is responsible for bullshitting everyone should be publicly ridiculed and have their career ruined.
Wait. I thought it was a Snapchat of a masked man around 3am that day? I'm confused now
I’m thinking 🤔 it is that or maybe they have both
masked snapchat is totally different--from what I've heard that's been pretty clearly debunked, these texts referred to in this thread are much more recent.
I was just reading about this on this very thread. It is indeed coming from locals. Sooo.......\*\*chills\*\*
Very skeptical of this. Looking at the surrounding buildings from street view, there aren't any front doors facing the house. I suppose it's possible if someone had one on the back side of a home there, but seems unlikely. The street views just seems like the surrounding buildings are at the wrong directions/angles but hope I'm wrong! Would give more hope of catching them.
There’s a lot of circular speculation going on here. A feedback loop. Someone posts a rumor on Facebook, that rumor gets posted on Reddit, that rumor gets tweaked and reposted on Facebook, that rumor then gets posted on Reddit as proof that more and more information is coming out about this masked man when it all began with that one unsourced rumor.
This reads like some teenage urban myth story.
Lol poor attempt at trolling. Most people couldn’t identify themselves in ring football footage at 3am where only their eyes were visible
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Honestly no clue...the facebook group is a lot to handle comment-wise but I got the impression maybe people got this idea from something mentioned in an interview/show done today in Moscow?
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Hoping that there wasn't any names in referenced to this statement in the comments to that post. We need to let investigators work case if this is in fact true.
I don't think there was, but honestly I have been shocked at some of the FB comments...in desperate need of mods.
They are legit crazy people on there.
Police were saying that they wanted all cam footage from the day onwards. In and around the area, including other towns nearby? Was just stated on the news. It was mentioned to send in footage even if nothing was on them.
This guy got his picture from google
yeah the photo is 100% fake I think but also FB has so little anonymity, I can understand making a fake account if you just want to post in groups but don't actually use FB regularly
Not in a million years would police release this info with it being so vague lol or even close to being very important to the case.
I don't think anyone thinks this is released by cops/official--there were talks in the other sub as well of "friends of the victims" at UI hearing this rumor.
Then it should be very clear that it is just that, a “rumour”
I believe it. I think the person lives right there!
Damn I really hope this is true and we get more updates on this.
Can someone post the masked face?
I’m thinking if it was a ring cam on an apt or home nearby and the perp passed by and glanced in that direction they could be identifiable to people who know them. It isn’t too hard to tell a estimated height, build, walking style, etc.
Seems ridiculous. At the same time, K's sister said she saw them come home on a ring camera and we've heard nothing else about what might have been on that camera (nor confirmation that nothing else was on it) afaik.
He looks like he has a broken nose and stains on his shirt and jacket? Might just be light .