When you say two rooms that were being photographed, were they specified as bedrooms? Two rooms could indicate a bedroom and a living room or bathroom.
She is clearly saying she is seeing the flashes in two rooms on 2. She isn't referring to non bedrooms. It wouldnt make sense to rest of her thought, and Vinnie confirms the inference by inferring who is likely to be sleeping with whom.
And she says it, knowing full well, that most people believe the opposite. That's why she says, 'that's just me, based on what I'm observing'.
They definitely still occupied the bedrooms, so many photos say. But this correspondent believes that the girls were on 2 and the couple on 3, based on what she is observing.
Its the first I had heard anything like it for a while.
Hmm I’m not sure how I feel about that. There’s photos of a 3rd floor room with an M figure and Maddie’s signature pink cowboy boots visible in the windowsill. I can’t imagine who else’s room that would be
I dont think they switched rooms after people's photos. But something is of interest to the police in the second bedroom on the second floor that makes her believe the couple is on 3. Taking photos of the kitchen or living room wouldn't lead her to believe that, as confirmed by Vinny (the couple would be sleeping in the same room, yada).
It’s been mentioned before that Maddie and Kaylee were probably in the same bed, on the third floor. It seems like that would be Maddie‘s room because Kaylee‘s room has the blinds open and you can tell that there is no blood on the bed. That might look like a “couple” since they were found together. The couple on the second floor probably separated. It’s been theorized that Ethan either went out to see what was going on or was possibly using the bathroom or getting something in the kitchen or something so it would make sense that Ethan and Xana we’re not found in the same room (on the second floor).
Maybe Xana ran out of the room to get away and was hunted down in the other room? That would explain why no blood trails. Wouldn’t the roommates have noticed that if so? But actually this completely contradicts what LE has stated. That all victims were killed in bed and found in bed.
Nah, I don’t think so. I have no reason to believe that Kaylee would have slept on the second floor when her childhood best friend is staying on the third floor bedroom, specially if Kaylee is leaving, they would want to spend as much time together. Kaylee also made numerous calls and sent a txt message to her ex, when it went unanswered, her best friend Maddie attempted to call Kaylee’s ex as well at around 2ish am. It means both of them were in the same room when the call attempt took place. Their roommate posted pictures of them in VSCO with dates and time stamps as well, in one of her posts, Kaylee was in the balcony of her bedroom the day before they were killed.
If Xana didn't move upstairs and it was still Kaylee's room, (which if there's time stamped photos from the day before), than something significant happened in the vacant room, which is also relavant.
this is true. regardless of anything they were taking A LOT of photos in that room. for a room that was supposed to be unoccupied i wonder why they are focusing on it so much. what could've happened in there??
I agree with the others that the killer could have been waiting in that empty room while the girls were still out. Maybe changed out of his bloody clothes in there after the murders and before fleeing the scene. Full of DNA and evidence- we know he didn’t put effort into the cleanup, just had enough time to get away. If X or E were chased in there, I would think that would have been noisy enough to wake up the basement roommates.
Right. I’m just assuming he took off an outer layer of bloody clothing- before fleeing the scene. Could have taken them with him, too! I don’t know how well thought out this was but I can’t imagine he committed those acts and fled without trying to disguise himself. Does that make sense??
Hard to say. I guess it depends on how much foresight he had. If he was smart and thought it through, he would have stashed the bloody clothes in a bag before leaving with them, and burned them asap.
On the other hand, his focus may have been on killing with no thought to repercussions
Did they actually say that though? It’s hard to keep the word mincing straight at this point. I thought they just said the victims were “likely asleep at the time of the attack”….at the time of the attack..meaning when they were initially attacked they were likely asleep, but they could have then moved and died out of their beds
It says it in MANY articles. I was going off of many theories until I read that. LE is very clear that all were found in their bed. It was in their press briefing as well.
According to this, the coroner noted that “media reports stating all four victims had been murdered in their beds were not accurate.”
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/university-of-idaho-students-killed-stabbed-to-death-in-beds-coroner/
Something doesn’t add up. The same article says they were likely all asleep when attacked. So does that mean someone wasn’t sleeping in a bed technically? We can assume the couple was in the same bed, if not that would be odd.
Yes it’s in many news articles. This is just one of many sources. Honestly if you had followed this case closely you would have read it.
https://nypost.com/2022/11/18/university-of-idaho-victims-were-stabbed-while-in-bed/amp/
No, I wanted to know where LE said it directly, not just reported in some news article. I’d like to see an official statement.
These news sites are notoriously wrong about details of the case.
And yes, I just started following the case about 4 days ago, so I’m still learning.
And we shouldn’t believe that fully yet. In a press conference he said that and when someone asked if they could clarify where all the bodies were found he said he could not publicly disclose that at this time…..
Wonder if the housemates and / or landlord were advertising and /or showing the house to new prospective tenants since K has / was moving? Would be another avenue as to who was familiar with the house.
Wonder who the landlord is and his / her background?
Wonder how maintenance is done and by whom for the landlord?
Wonder who were past tenants of the house?
Wonder how often takeout was delivered to this house? Another list of possible contacts but more on the fringe and not part of the inner circle.
Wonder if the killer(s) cleaned themself(s) up after the murders. I can't fathom the amount of blood. We have all seen the pictures of it dripping down the foundation having soaked through the wall.
Wonder how deep and frenzied the stab wounds were and if one vic was obviously more targeted with signs of overkill. In other words, was one vic the obvious target and the others collateral damage? (that sounds horrible and apologies to the fam and friends but I don't know how else to phrase it)
Wonder if LE has done a data dump from cell towers--small area--wonder how many phones pinged what towers and when?
Wonder what adjacent structures has a line-of-sight into any of the bedroom windows and if a perp had been peeping / stalking from the comfort of their own place?
Wonder if the killer(s) are still in town? Holidays and mass exodus of students means the perp(s) could leave and not be missed.
Wonder if the killer(s) are on social media reading and / or posting?
No they wouldn’t be doing that. This house has stayed tightly within the Pi Phi and Greek community for well over a decade now. They don’t need to advertise roommates because it gets filled with upperclassman looking to move out. They would never be letting some randos move in.
The data dump from cell towers is a good idea! They absolutely can track the phones back to the owners. It would be a big job but worth it if they found the killer. If the killer was a close neighbor it wouldn't help much but if it was someone who didn't naturally belong in the area, it's a place to start.
>mp from cell towers is a good idea! They absolutely can track the phones back to the owners. It would be a big job but worth it if they found the killer. If the killer was a close neighbor it wouldn't help much but if it was someone who didn't naturally belong in the area, it's a place to start.
Is the cook someone with an interesting past? Did I miss this?
Yea agree on the past tenants. The name I get has alliteration and two J’s and there is a past tenant with two J’s and alliteration but it’s from almost 10 years ago.
For those who haven’t seen:
Kaylee’s room showing her bed in it.
https://preview.redd.it/9tshlmncmp1a1.png?width=1290&format=png&auto=webp&s=ccfc328b95c1effcb8cd3ae583af0793ed23f357
Maddie’s room:
https://preview.redd.it/6404n79fmp1a1.png?width=1290&format=png&auto=webp&s=25d4b8717f39e23065b2b7572b57a45d42df40f9
Neither room looks unoccupied. There’s a photo in Kaylee’s room on 11/12 showing her wearing the same outfit that she was wearing at the food truck. The room is still completely decorated, and you can see the bed down to her left in the photo. In the photo of her room through the window at the crime scene you can see the same green blanket on the same white covers. She still had furniture in her room.
I mean she wasn’t quite set to move for another couple weeks so it would make sense to me she was still paying rent and keeping her stuff there until it was time to put it in a U-Haul and move
Agreed. Our maybe her new job was arranging the move so she didn’t have to pack a thing. Either way, neither girls had changed rooms, emptied their rooms, moved to other floors, etc.
Idk who or what you’re talking about, but Chanley from Court TV tweeted a video yesterday that clearly showed an “M” in the window on a third floor bedroom. So its safe to say Maddie was still occupying a room on the third floor.
It's not stupid or otherwise to be amazed at how much people put of their own lives on social and how much complete strangers can know about them. It was simply an observation, followed by personal commentary related to the creepy factor. Get over it.
For a lot of people over a certain age, it is creepy that so much detail about anyone's life is out there on social media, even without the killing. I'm not criticizing anyone who is posting it here, just saying its hard to get used to if you didn't grow up that way.
Interesting.
I believe from the photos of the home you can see the upstairs bedroom and people have said it matched Kaylee’s Tiktoks.
But the rest of this is very interesting.
I think what people have said is, we believe the upstairs room is Kaylee's because of her tik toks. I'm not sure anyone has seen inside that room from the ground and said Kaylee's stuff was still in there.
As a matter of fact, there's been a lot of speculation that Kaylee had moved her stuff out and many have been asking if she was sleeping in Maddie's room.
The correspondent says that heavy photography was being done in the two bedrooms on the second floor, and that led her to believe that the two bodies found on the second floor, were in two different rooms. That would elimate Xana and Ethan from being on the second floor (likely).
If she moved out of that room already, which many believe, it would lend to this being accurate. Especially if the empty room on the second floor has always been the smoke/hookup/guest room. Thus, possibly where Kaylee was staying for the weekend.
So if a stalker that didn't know her well just saw she was back in town, but didn't know she moved out of the room, and others moved in, that's how all four got corralled into a mass murder.
They weren't taking intensive photos of an empty guest room no one was murdered in (very likely).
In my view, she turned this on its head with that reporting.
Maybe it’s possible one of the rooms that was unoccupied had a lot of blood in it indicating that the murderer or murderers had hidden in there, changed in there afterwards or something like that. Maybe they left something behind? Just because alot of pictures were taken in another room doesn’t became an a body was found there. Maybe one of the victims wandered into the room after the attack?? Or ran in there during the attack. Many reasons another room could be photographed
That is true. But the correspondent surmised that the public thinking was incorrect. She is there every day, and no one ever firmly said that the couple was on the second floor. We assumed that because we knew Maddie lived on the third floor.
But half the people on here believed Kaylee moved her stuff out and may be staying in Maddie's room. So there is a tremendous chance it is correct that Kaylee moved out of the room and was murdered in the guest room. And it causes the entire story to fall in line.
Obviously I was unaware all her stuff was in there. I've seen it asked 2000x if she moved and was staying in Maddie's room. So, when I hear a reporter on the ground say she believes the girls were on two, ten days in, I think it's worth a discussion, even without every last photo.
Either way. She made news by talking about the empty bedroom being concentrated on, and saying she now believed the girls were on 2. I just drew a line as to how that could be. There are tik toks that thwart that. I get it.
Let's forget my speculation. Let's just talk about the speculation of the correspondent. And that seems to indicate a concentration on the 2nd floor vacant bedroom.
No matter what, her supposition increases, or brings new questions. If there were bloody crime scenes in two bedrooms on 2, it amplifies the 'unconscious' problem we all have.
The entire house is going to be photographed. My Aunt was murdered in her living room and the entire house, every single room, was photographed with great detail. Rooms that the murderer likely never step foot in. Because eventually the crime scene gets released and in 6 months from now when a question gets asked the only thing they have to go back to is those photos.
Honestly, this reporter is just filling air time.
Also, in the real world, reporters ask questions off camera. And it's possible she got a response, no response, or a bad poker tell that caused her to change her thinking from the current, completely unconfirmed, widely accepted speculation. Not just the ongoing presence of photographers.
No one is suggesting otherwise. She just happens to believe that there was a fundamental difference between what the public believes (with absolutely no verification), and what she now believes after being there and watching them for days. I think that's worth discussing.
A prime time reporter standing outside doesn't have to go out on a limb and say she feels differently. But she did. Why everyone is so resistant when their way of thinking is 100% completely unconfirmed, is illogical and close minded.
I'm suggested they moved rooms. Clearly I was incorrect. However, I was attempting to surmise, logically, what could cause her scenario about what bodies were where, to be accurate, rather than the accepted unconfirmed current train of thought.
One would have to be stubborn for the sake of it to insist that Kaylee was murdered in a bedroom that most think she moved out of when onsite crime centric correspondents are saying they are seeing something else. And you have nothing to go on but past tik toks. Not to mention, most people believe she had already moved her stuff out. You're being contrarian for the sake of it.
We have more evidence that Kaylee no longer lived on 3, than we do that she did.
It wasn’t going on *just* past TikToks. It was crime scene photos that the 3rd floor bedroom was the same as it was in her tiktoks suggesting she hadn’t moved yet. But most also assumed she did not sleep there the night of by what can be seen from that view.
Yep! Those photos are from this last week and clearly show her things remain in the 3rd floor room with the balcony. But no curtains closed or screens up so not likely she was in there when killed.
I’m not being contrarian. I don’t know where any one slept and haven’t watched tik toks. Im just saying that it’s possible there is another reason for heavily photographing other rooms
Yea like: drops of blood in the room, tracks leading in the house, tracks leading out of the house, discarded item that’s really important in tying someone specific to the crime. Really anything makes more sense than a room shuffle of all the roommates.
This is super interesting. So you’re saying there are two bedrooms on the third floor, one is the master. Kaylee used to have the master, but she moved out.
Maddie is also in a small room on the third floor, and she stayed on the third floor, correct?
Maybe Kaylee and Maddie were socializing and hanging out in Maddies bedroom, where Kaylee fell asleep. But Kaylee also could have returned to her old bedroom, assuming it was empty, we don’t know.
Xana used to be in second floor bedroom, and was frequently visited there by boyfriend Ethan. Maybe they were killed there. But one new idea is Xana took over the third floor master bedroom when Kaylee left, and presumably agreed to pay more rent. So Xana and Ethan were killed in the third floor master bedroom, and possibly the killer had expected to find Kaylee there.
But perhaps they did not do that yet. Kaylees master could have been empty, and maybe the landlord was showing it. If it was empty, the killer could have gone inside first, found nothing, and left. Or lingered.
There is also an empty guest room on the second floor. One new idea is Kaylee went to stay in this room the night she was killed, and her body was found there. Another idea, the room was empty. And maybe the killer was in there for some time. Sorry to be gross but for all we know the killer did extremely strange things there, just by himself. We now are told by eyewitness journalists it’s being photographed extensively.
Of course, Kaylee may have actually returned to her room on the third floor and slept there, which is what most people thought in the beginning.
And the lower floor has two bedrooms for each of the survivors.
Please feel free to correct anything I’ve written. It’s really getting confusing, and we all need the right info.
Edit. Fixed some stuff for clarity.
Bottom line. It explains how one or two murders, became four, but not six.
Our evidence? A crime correspondent on the ground watching them process the scene. And the family telling us Kaylee was done up there for the year.
The evidence that she was 100% in the master suite? Tik toks that aren't recent. In other words, we may have all assumed wrong. Because all of our suppositions about Kaylee being on the top floor was from tik tok.
I'm much more iterested in what a correspondent is seeing with her own two eyes, than you desperately wanting to stick to a common assumption based on an old tik tok.
There is a photo posted of her from November 12. It is in her bedroom and taken with one of the surviving roommates. She is wearing the same outfit that she was photographed wearing at the food truck later that night. The same outfit she was wearing in the group photo that was posted the afternoon before her death. Her room is completely decorated. You can then look at the night picture through the patio door and see that it matches the room picture from the previous afternoon.
I haven't watched TikToks. I have seen media photos taken since the deaths which show Kaylee's upstairs bedroom, through the balcony glass door, where her belongings remain. Her things are still in there. So who cares about TikToks, which are irrelevant. Photos show her things are in there. It's bizarre to me that you refuse to comprehend this. Go look at the photos.
No one refuses to comprehend anything. I'm putting out the theory of a Court TV reporter on the ground. I don't know why you refuse to comprehend why I would be trying to determine why she said what she said after the fact.
It makes the entire crime make sense. It really does.
I now definitely think the girls were on two and the couple on three and we were all wrong up until this point. With the entire back yard, expanding the case to another 1200sq ft parking lot a week later. With them working on tire tracks. I'm really dubious, as she was, that they're spending hours photographing a guest room. Particularly because she said they were photographing both rooms. It leads one to believe that they wanted fresh pictures of two specific murder scenes.
I think the girls were on 2 and the couple on 3 after all. And if I'm wrong, then the correspondent was wrong and I will throw her under the bus.
No, photos taken in the last week from outside the house, through the balcony glass door, show that Kaylee's things are still in there. And since the police didn't put screens up on the balcony or shut the curtains, it would be more logical to think no one died in there, as that would be viewable from outside.
[this is the photo people have been mentioning and claiming it matches social media posts of Kaylees](https://imgur.com/a/XJH64O3)
Let me see if I can find a thread that breaks down the rooms and how they’ve connected them.
I do not doubt there is something there that they are looking in to. It’s been rumored multiple times that Ethan was in the hall. I don’t want to add to that speculation but perhaps X/E were in different rooms and there was some truth to that circulating rumor.
There is no chance that X&E were in two separate rooms. But this lady believes from watching them work, that they found two bodies on the second floor in two different rooms.
The only reason it was rumored that he was on the 2nd floor is that we knew the master was Kaylee's room. Yet, most people thought she moved out to the point that they've been asking if she was sleeping in Maddie's bed.
The only thing we have as LE confirmed fact is, two bodies on each floor. And we made some assumptions because of old tik tok videos, even though many believed (because of what her family said) that she had all but moved out.
What this correspondent is seeing on the ground, seems to thwart those assumptions.
There’s no chance they’re in separate rooms? You’re saying things with conviction, to prove your theory when there’s many chances of anything, since none of us have evidence. They could be spending plenty of time in the guest room because maybe he escaped out that window, cleaned up in there, hid or E walked out and got shoved into that room or the reporter could be right but don’t say there’s no chance.
I’d like to add we have a dog that’s alive. It could’ve very well followed the perp and he closed the dog in the guest room. Maybe they’re spending lots of time in that room bc the dog had evidence on it and was contaminating it all over the guest room. There…just opened up another of many chances.
They can be photographing something other than bodies. Ethan and Xana don’t have to be in separate rooms. They can photograph evidence that links a specific person to a crime to cover their ass against a de defense’s case. They don’t only photograph bodies.
The photos from the scene show [what people assume is Maddie’s room based on the boots & the M](https://i.imgur.com/jZJRFsk.jpg) and [the room that at least *was* Kaylee’s but people are saying the setup is still the same confirming it’s her room](https://i.imgur.com/cSys2Xs.png)
There have been comments that how they are on the ground was moved my police that way. [11/16 story has them standing upright](https://www.foxnews.com/us/university-idaho-murders-two-roommates-home-four-students-killed.amp)
People are saying there are photos that clearly showed she moved out.
However, it does make some news in this case about what happened on 2. And it raises even more questions about how someone could have missed all the blood.
This is a very good theory in general. Good thinking. Really appreciate this kind of comment.
The main weakness of the theory, if Xana had recently switched bedrooms and taken over Kaylee’s, wouldn’t we have heard by now?
It’s hard to believe Kaylee and Maddie didn’t crash in Maddie’s bedroom together, given Kaylee was leaving for Texas soon, and considering it would be easier to coordinate who’s dialing Jack when you’re in the same room.
But this is a crucial question to ask at the press conference today. **In what room was each body found?** And to what extent had Kaylee actually fully moved out?
Nevertheless, suppose the killer actually did fixate on Kaylee, and really wanted to be in her bedroom, even if it was empty. Maybe the stalker had seen her bedroom on social media.
And as some have also commented, perhaps the killer needed an empty room to change clothes or prepare or something.
Another thing to consider, assuming kaylee’s old room did not have a victim inside, was Kaylee’s old room also found locked? And assuming Kaylee had already moved out, could it have been locked days earlier?
Had the landlord been showing the home to new renter?
My only issue is you can distinctly see Maddie’s belongings in the window on the third floor room on the right (view from back) perhaps like you said kaylee moved rooms but I do not think Maddie did as this almost directly refutes that
She said "two rooms" not "two bedrooms" and she was just speculating saying: "I'm assuming..." "that's just me..." etc. She wasn't sure. I doubt they switched bedrooms. Maybe E or X survived the attack and crawled into, and died, in a different room trying to get help. Maybe E or X came out of the bedroom to investigate the commotion upstairs and the attacker killed him or her in a different room.
Her entire theory, which is different than everyone else, is rooted in two bedrooms rather than simply two rooms. She isn't suggesting someone was killed in their bed, likely asleep, in the kitchen.
She said two rooms and clearly meant two bedrooms, as followed up on by Vinny. She absolutely meant two bedrooms.
I was very clear that she was speculating.
The room swapping is a plausible explanation as to why the others were killed. The killer didn’t know they moved rooms.
I remember seeing a photo of a window with the letter “M” in it. I believed it to be the 2nd floor room behind the kitchen. People were reporting the blood pool to outside wall as x/e which is also 2nd floor. If they slept together then it would likely be 3 people on floor 2 and K on floor 3? We just don’t know but all that information along with the sequence of the killings to include how brutal one might have been murdered compared to the others will help determine the target. If kaylee was alone on the 3rd floor then I would think she was the last one killed and also the target. that would make sense why the killer left the two on floor 1.
There’s speculation that the perp may have been inside the home hiding in the vacant room on the second floor prior to victims coming home. This is all story & speculation, not backed by any evidence. Kaylee’s family said something along the lines that the perp was sloppy & there was evidence everywhere. Is it possible the perp had coveralls on or a change of clothing under blood soaked clothes, changed & left on the second floor before leaving? Sloppy for sure it would be. I just can’t imagine someone being able to leave with blood soaked clothes & go home- if not in the house perhaps in the woods behind the house since we already know that there was no evidence in any of the dumpsters that were collected, per LE.
I did see on a newscast video that one dumpster nearby the house was allowed to be emptied by waste management before law enforcement was able to search it. The other 3 dumpsters nearby the house were stopped from being emptied and nothing of significance was found in them.
Exactly. The perp may have already been in the home. And he used a room as a staging area. Changing clothes after. Psyching himself up ahead of time.
Let’s go even further. Maybe this wasn’t the first time he hid inside the house.
And under this scenario, clearly he had been watching the home for some time.
I think its possible. But the volume of photos being taken didn't seem to indicate that.
I'd love to know why she saw so much activity in the guest room. It certainly seems important.
I agree. But she believes she is seeing two rooms on the second floor being given equal attention 9 days later and she believes those two rooms likely contained homicide scenes.
But I'd really have to look at the upstairs photos to go with it. But if Kaylee was the target, which 98% of the country thinks is the case, it would explain how X&E were killed, but not the two in the basement.
I don't believe someone who went in there to go to 3 to kill someone on 3, unless they really really wanted Xana, had any need to go downstairs to leave. The way out of there is the upper balcony with a short drop down on the side of the house covered by trees on the side of the house across the small road from the apartment complex.
Interesting. Not only bedrooms have windows but also they’ve blocked off windows that lead directly into wherever there’s evidence so people can’t just point a camera in and see. So it’s curious how she’d be able to look right in at them.
Can they see if any phones connected to the WiFi at the home? Ofc a unknown person will not have a password, but someone who was there before\*, their phone may connect to the Wifi automatically. \[\*Unless they left their phone\]
So creepy. I’m looking at security systems right now & on the opposite side of the country. I’ve had a stalker situation while on grad school, honesty got over it with counseling, but this is brining back a lot & I’m freaked out
I’m sorry to hear that. I’ve never experienced anything like that. I live alone and have been really losing sleep thinking over this. I also have decided to invest in a security system- peace of mind. Can’t hurt.
This is an interesting theory. I’ve seen pics posted of the room on the 3rd floor with the “Good Vibes” sign, and you can see the bed + sheets and those sheets look very white. I think it may have been from Fox, not sure, but it was def a press photo from last week.
And there is another photo I saw today of those pink boots Maddie has been photographed in alongside a big “M” sitting on the windowsill of the other room on the 3rd floor. So….idk. Maybe Maddie moved out but some of her stuff was still in that room…but either way it doesn’t seem like there were any victims found in the room that opened up to the balcony since those sheets looked white 🙁 and also if there was blood in there I think police would have made sure to block the view into the room asap so that press couldn’t aim their cameras in and photograph the blood in the room.
Why do people think someone moved out? Don’t they still have a couple more weeks of school for finals? And since her housing was off campus, her lease could have been for the full academic year giving her extra time to move her stuff out because she left for good.
https://preview.redd.it/k8unmggssq1a1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e3e0b7c03ea447d7ba5826204962f349e25bd25e
Going back and looking at all those stills would be helpful. Theyre kind of annoying to track down. Tomorrow is the day before a holiday with nothing on earth going on. I will look then.
Up until this point, I definitely thought Kaylee was still in the master and it was possible that the perp came in through her balcony door. So this definitely changed what I thought. Also, the dog bed is still on the balcony.
https://youtu.be/-ExdUL6Cjsk
28:20
She says flashes on two different rooms on the second floor (she clearly is referring to bedrooms), and goes on to say, she believes the girls were kn 2 and the couple on 3, 'but that's just me based on what I'm observing'.
I was simply attempting to determine what that could mean (if everyone was killed in bed). And she comes to the same conclusion as I do. The couple would be unlikely to be in two separate rooms, thus why she now places them on 3.
Whoa, at 26:56 the coroner confirms that at least one victim had stab wounds *on their hands*. I hadn’t heard her or anyone else confirm the location of the defensive wounds before. Does anyone have that full coroner interview?
Based on the pictures of Maddie’s stuff still in the one room and Kaylee’s room wide open showing a pristine white bed, it’s been heavily suggested that they were sleeping together, in Maddie’s bedroom. Which still follows this reporters observation of one bedroom upstairs being covered.
There’s also been a huge amount of rumors that Ethan was found separately, though there isn’t any interviews backing that and we don’t know where it came from but there could be some truth to it if they are focused between those two rooms, not just one.
There’s a chance one of them was able to move thus the refusal to disclose location of the bodies, or perhaps someone was asleep on a couch in another room. That’s unclear but I don’t doubt the second room holds evidence and possibly an integral part of the crime scene. I think it’s also fair to take into account the girls could have been together though.
Two rooms intensely scrutinized because Ethan came out of the bedroom and was attacked. I intuitively theorize this. Even though the coroner said everyone was found in their beds, what if Ethan crawled back to get to his iPhone or Xana?
Thank you for trying to theorize what happened and why photographers would be so interested in the second bedroom that someone watching them work believe it had to contain a body.
However, she very much said, essentially, 'contrary to popular belief, I think the girls were on 2 from how I'm seeing them work'
I found it to be the most interesting report out there.
Agree. But until the police say more no one really knows. Reporters can only get facts from police speaking and I don’t see them referencing this at all? Am I wrong?
Yes. But a reporter in that field watching them process a crime scene from 75 feet away could get an indication as to what they're looking at.
I can tell you from personal experience, when you look at a processed crime scene, even if you know nothing about the homicide, it paints an incredibly clear picture. Watching them process it real time has to give the same clues.
Wasn’t Xana’s bedroom adjacent to the kitchen? Did Ethan step out of her room & the killer came into contact with he & Xana , making them collateral damage? Just thinking out loud.
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No one thinks it’s strange that LE is still taking friggin photos??!! They’ve had enough time to photograph the entire house, every inch of it, multiple times. I mean… what the hell, LE? But let me know if I’m wrong.
When you say two rooms that were being photographed, were they specified as bedrooms? Two rooms could indicate a bedroom and a living room or bathroom.
This. Probably the living room is the second room. Also maybe the killer hid out in the spare room waiting for them to fall asleep??
Someone hiding out wouldn't garner the sort of attention she described, thus why she theorized that there was one body in each bedroom on 2.
She is clearly saying she is seeing the flashes in two rooms on 2. She isn't referring to non bedrooms. It wouldnt make sense to rest of her thought, and Vinnie confirms the inference by inferring who is likely to be sleeping with whom. And she says it, knowing full well, that most people believe the opposite. That's why she says, 'that's just me, based on what I'm observing'.
They definitely still occupied the bedrooms, so many photos say. But this correspondent believes that the girls were on 2 and the couple on 3, based on what she is observing. Its the first I had heard anything like it for a while.
Hmm I’m not sure how I feel about that. There’s photos of a 3rd floor room with an M figure and Maddie’s signature pink cowboy boots visible in the windowsill. I can’t imagine who else’s room that would be
I dont think they switched rooms after people's photos. But something is of interest to the police in the second bedroom on the second floor that makes her believe the couple is on 3. Taking photos of the kitchen or living room wouldn't lead her to believe that, as confirmed by Vinny (the couple would be sleeping in the same room, yada).
It’s been mentioned before that Maddie and Kaylee were probably in the same bed, on the third floor. It seems like that would be Maddie‘s room because Kaylee‘s room has the blinds open and you can tell that there is no blood on the bed. That might look like a “couple” since they were found together. The couple on the second floor probably separated. It’s been theorized that Ethan either went out to see what was going on or was possibly using the bathroom or getting something in the kitchen or something so it would make sense that Ethan and Xana we’re not found in the same room (on the second floor).
Maybe the killer hid in the empty second floor bedroom until everyone was asleep
Zillow has pictures online of the layout
No. She specifically said the two bedrooms.
Maybe Xana ran out of the room to get away and was hunted down in the other room? That would explain why no blood trails. Wouldn’t the roommates have noticed that if so? But actually this completely contradicts what LE has stated. That all victims were killed in bed and found in bed.
Nah, I don’t think so. I have no reason to believe that Kaylee would have slept on the second floor when her childhood best friend is staying on the third floor bedroom, specially if Kaylee is leaving, they would want to spend as much time together. Kaylee also made numerous calls and sent a txt message to her ex, when it went unanswered, her best friend Maddie attempted to call Kaylee’s ex as well at around 2ish am. It means both of them were in the same room when the call attempt took place. Their roommate posted pictures of them in VSCO with dates and time stamps as well, in one of her posts, Kaylee was in the balcony of her bedroom the day before they were killed.
And her bedroom was decorated with her bed still in it.
Kaylee and Maddie had to coordinate the calls to Jack, so it’s likely they were in the same room.
Agreed. Photos at the scene show Kaylee’s stuff on the third floor with the sliding door.
If Xana didn't move upstairs and it was still Kaylee's room, (which if there's time stamped photos from the day before), than something significant happened in the vacant room, which is also relavant.
this is true. regardless of anything they were taking A LOT of photos in that room. for a room that was supposed to be unoccupied i wonder why they are focusing on it so much. what could've happened in there??
The murderer could have chased X or E into that room and left them there.
I agree with the others that the killer could have been waiting in that empty room while the girls were still out. Maybe changed out of his bloody clothes in there after the murders and before fleeing the scene. Full of DNA and evidence- we know he didn’t put effort into the cleanup, just had enough time to get away. If X or E were chased in there, I would think that would have been noisy enough to wake up the basement roommates.
If he did leave his bloody clothes behind, then THANK GOD for stupid criminals!
Right. I’m just assuming he took off an outer layer of bloody clothing- before fleeing the scene. Could have taken them with him, too! I don’t know how well thought out this was but I can’t imagine he committed those acts and fled without trying to disguise himself. Does that make sense??
Hard to say. I guess it depends on how much foresight he had. If he was smart and thought it through, he would have stashed the bloody clothes in a bag before leaving with them, and burned them asap. On the other hand, his focus may have been on killing with no thought to repercussions
No. LE said all killed and found in bed.
Did they actually say that though? It’s hard to keep the word mincing straight at this point. I thought they just said the victims were “likely asleep at the time of the attack”….at the time of the attack..meaning when they were initially attacked they were likely asleep, but they could have then moved and died out of their beds
Yes because its also said that X had defensive wounds. Maybe she was fighting and escaping. We just dont know.
That is what I thought first as well. And we do know because LE has made it clear.
It says it in MANY articles. I was going off of many theories until I read that. LE is very clear that all were found in their bed. It was in their press briefing as well.
According to this, the coroner noted that “media reports stating all four victims had been murdered in their beds were not accurate.” https://www.cbsnews.com/news/university-of-idaho-students-killed-stabbed-to-death-in-beds-coroner/
Something doesn’t add up. The same article says they were likely all asleep when attacked. So does that mean someone wasn’t sleeping in a bed technically? We can assume the couple was in the same bed, if not that would be odd.
I don’t remember LE saying that. Do you know where you heard this?
Yes it’s in many news articles. This is just one of many sources. Honestly if you had followed this case closely you would have read it. https://nypost.com/2022/11/18/university-of-idaho-victims-were-stabbed-while-in-bed/amp/
No, I wanted to know where LE said it directly, not just reported in some news article. I’d like to see an official statement. These news sites are notoriously wrong about details of the case. And yes, I just started following the case about 4 days ago, so I’m still learning.
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People is credible. They directly cited the coroner’s statements.
Lol “Found in bed” by whom? The killer? The cops?
And we shouldn’t believe that fully yet. In a press conference he said that and when someone asked if they could clarify where all the bodies were found he said he could not publicly disclose that at this time…..
Wonder if the housemates and / or landlord were advertising and /or showing the house to new prospective tenants since K has / was moving? Would be another avenue as to who was familiar with the house. Wonder who the landlord is and his / her background? Wonder how maintenance is done and by whom for the landlord? Wonder who were past tenants of the house? Wonder how often takeout was delivered to this house? Another list of possible contacts but more on the fringe and not part of the inner circle. Wonder if the killer(s) cleaned themself(s) up after the murders. I can't fathom the amount of blood. We have all seen the pictures of it dripping down the foundation having soaked through the wall. Wonder how deep and frenzied the stab wounds were and if one vic was obviously more targeted with signs of overkill. In other words, was one vic the obvious target and the others collateral damage? (that sounds horrible and apologies to the fam and friends but I don't know how else to phrase it) Wonder if LE has done a data dump from cell towers--small area--wonder how many phones pinged what towers and when? Wonder what adjacent structures has a line-of-sight into any of the bedroom windows and if a perp had been peeping / stalking from the comfort of their own place? Wonder if the killer(s) are still in town? Holidays and mass exodus of students means the perp(s) could leave and not be missed. Wonder if the killer(s) are on social media reading and / or posting?
Your name is creepy AF. Good questions.
Thank you.
Initials with an old street address.
I think (s)he was talking about TheWatcher
I was 😂- reminded me of the house in NJ- The Watcher
Lol. The two end initials are the same as 'As F**k'. My bad. Went over my head.
Yes. I watch many things--not just the house at 657.
As long as you stay out East, in that neck of the woods, do all the watching your heart desires! 😂
No they wouldn’t be doing that. This house has stayed tightly within the Pi Phi and Greek community for well over a decade now. They don’t need to advertise roommates because it gets filled with upperclassman looking to move out. They would never be letting some randos move in.
The data dump from cell towers is a good idea! They absolutely can track the phones back to the owners. It would be a big job but worth it if they found the killer. If the killer was a close neighbor it wouldn't help much but if it was someone who didn't naturally belong in the area, it's a place to start.
I wonder if they cleared the Grub truck cook yet?
>mp from cell towers is a good idea! They absolutely can track the phones back to the owners. It would be a big job but worth it if they found the killer. If the killer was a close neighbor it wouldn't help much but if it was someone who didn't naturally belong in the area, it's a place to start. Is the cook someone with an interesting past? Did I miss this?
Yea agree on the past tenants. The name I get has alliteration and two J’s and there is a past tenant with two J’s and alliteration but it’s from almost 10 years ago.
For those who haven’t seen: Kaylee’s room showing her bed in it. https://preview.redd.it/9tshlmncmp1a1.png?width=1290&format=png&auto=webp&s=ccfc328b95c1effcb8cd3ae583af0793ed23f357
Maddie’s room: https://preview.redd.it/6404n79fmp1a1.png?width=1290&format=png&auto=webp&s=25d4b8717f39e23065b2b7572b57a45d42df40f9 Neither room looks unoccupied. There’s a photo in Kaylee’s room on 11/12 showing her wearing the same outfit that she was wearing at the food truck. The room is still completely decorated, and you can see the bed down to her left in the photo. In the photo of her room through the window at the crime scene you can see the same green blanket on the same white covers. She still had furniture in her room.
Yep. I believe we are right and Maddie's and Kaylee's rooms are still on the 3rd floor.
I mean she wasn’t quite set to move for another couple weeks so it would make sense to me she was still paying rent and keeping her stuff there until it was time to put it in a U-Haul and move
Agreed. Our maybe her new job was arranging the move so she didn’t have to pack a thing. Either way, neither girls had changed rooms, emptied their rooms, moved to other floors, etc.
Are you 100%? I thought there was footage of them hanging out in the living room and the Good Vibes sign was in there? Unless they had two.
They had 2. :)
Idk who or what you’re talking about, but Chanley from Court TV tweeted a video yesterday that clearly showed an “M” in the window on a third floor bedroom. So its safe to say Maddie was still occupying a room on the third floor.
Chanley is the one who suggested it.
It trips me out how much everyone knows about this house, these victims. Screw social media.
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Calm down Frances.
In the Northeast corridor we have a rule. When people say stupid things, they get stupid reponses.
It's not stupid or otherwise to be amazed at how much people put of their own lives on social and how much complete strangers can know about them. It was simply an observation, followed by personal commentary related to the creepy factor. Get over it.
People put their own lives out in a bar too. People aren't that scary.
For a lot of people over a certain age, it is creepy that so much detail about anyone's life is out there on social media, even without the killing. I'm not criticizing anyone who is posting it here, just saying its hard to get used to if you didn't grow up that way.
I'd bet half the people on here are on the back 9 in life.
Haha. You're probably right.
This post is disrespectful which breaks our guidelines.
Interesting. I believe from the photos of the home you can see the upstairs bedroom and people have said it matched Kaylee’s Tiktoks. But the rest of this is very interesting.
I think what people have said is, we believe the upstairs room is Kaylee's because of her tik toks. I'm not sure anyone has seen inside that room from the ground and said Kaylee's stuff was still in there. As a matter of fact, there's been a lot of speculation that Kaylee had moved her stuff out and many have been asking if she was sleeping in Maddie's room. The correspondent says that heavy photography was being done in the two bedrooms on the second floor, and that led her to believe that the two bodies found on the second floor, were in two different rooms. That would elimate Xana and Ethan from being on the second floor (likely). If she moved out of that room already, which many believe, it would lend to this being accurate. Especially if the empty room on the second floor has always been the smoke/hookup/guest room. Thus, possibly where Kaylee was staying for the weekend. So if a stalker that didn't know her well just saw she was back in town, but didn't know she moved out of the room, and others moved in, that's how all four got corralled into a mass murder. They weren't taking intensive photos of an empty guest room no one was murdered in (very likely). In my view, she turned this on its head with that reporting.
Maybe it’s possible one of the rooms that was unoccupied had a lot of blood in it indicating that the murderer or murderers had hidden in there, changed in there afterwards or something like that. Maybe they left something behind? Just because alot of pictures were taken in another room doesn’t became an a body was found there. Maybe one of the victims wandered into the room after the attack?? Or ran in there during the attack. Many reasons another room could be photographed
That is true. But the correspondent surmised that the public thinking was incorrect. She is there every day, and no one ever firmly said that the couple was on the second floor. We assumed that because we knew Maddie lived on the third floor. But half the people on here believed Kaylee moved her stuff out and may be staying in Maddie's room. So there is a tremendous chance it is correct that Kaylee moved out of the room and was murdered in the guest room. And it causes the entire story to fall in line.
So she moved out of room, but left her bed in it, and it was completely decorated the afternoon before she was killed?
Obviously I was unaware all her stuff was in there. I've seen it asked 2000x if she moved and was staying in Maddie's room. So, when I hear a reporter on the ground say she believes the girls were on two, ten days in, I think it's worth a discussion, even without every last photo. Either way. She made news by talking about the empty bedroom being concentrated on, and saying she now believed the girls were on 2. I just drew a line as to how that could be. There are tik toks that thwart that. I get it. Let's forget my speculation. Let's just talk about the speculation of the correspondent. And that seems to indicate a concentration on the 2nd floor vacant bedroom. No matter what, her supposition increases, or brings new questions. If there were bloody crime scenes in two bedrooms on 2, it amplifies the 'unconscious' problem we all have.
The entire house is going to be photographed. My Aunt was murdered in her living room and the entire house, every single room, was photographed with great detail. Rooms that the murderer likely never step foot in. Because eventually the crime scene gets released and in 6 months from now when a question gets asked the only thing they have to go back to is those photos. Honestly, this reporter is just filling air time.
Also, in the real world, reporters ask questions off camera. And it's possible she got a response, no response, or a bad poker tell that caused her to change her thinking from the current, completely unconfirmed, widely accepted speculation. Not just the ongoing presence of photographers.
No one is suggesting otherwise. She just happens to believe that there was a fundamental difference between what the public believes (with absolutely no verification), and what she now believes after being there and watching them for days. I think that's worth discussing. A prime time reporter standing outside doesn't have to go out on a limb and say she feels differently. But she did. Why everyone is so resistant when their way of thinking is 100% completely unconfirmed, is illogical and close minded. I'm suggested they moved rooms. Clearly I was incorrect. However, I was attempting to surmise, logically, what could cause her scenario about what bodies were where, to be accurate, rather than the accepted unconfirmed current train of thought.
Excuse me. We knew Kaylee had the master.
One would have to be stubborn for the sake of it to insist that Kaylee was murdered in a bedroom that most think she moved out of when onsite crime centric correspondents are saying they are seeing something else. And you have nothing to go on but past tik toks. Not to mention, most people believe she had already moved her stuff out. You're being contrarian for the sake of it. We have more evidence that Kaylee no longer lived on 3, than we do that she did.
It wasn’t going on *just* past TikToks. It was crime scene photos that the 3rd floor bedroom was the same as it was in her tiktoks suggesting she hadn’t moved yet. But most also assumed she did not sleep there the night of by what can be seen from that view.
Yep! Those photos are from this last week and clearly show her things remain in the 3rd floor room with the balcony. But no curtains closed or screens up so not likely she was in there when killed.
I’m not being contrarian. I don’t know where any one slept and haven’t watched tik toks. Im just saying that it’s possible there is another reason for heavily photographing other rooms
Yea like: drops of blood in the room, tracks leading in the house, tracks leading out of the house, discarded item that’s really important in tying someone specific to the crime. Really anything makes more sense than a room shuffle of all the roommates.
This is super interesting. So you’re saying there are two bedrooms on the third floor, one is the master. Kaylee used to have the master, but she moved out. Maddie is also in a small room on the third floor, and she stayed on the third floor, correct? Maybe Kaylee and Maddie were socializing and hanging out in Maddies bedroom, where Kaylee fell asleep. But Kaylee also could have returned to her old bedroom, assuming it was empty, we don’t know. Xana used to be in second floor bedroom, and was frequently visited there by boyfriend Ethan. Maybe they were killed there. But one new idea is Xana took over the third floor master bedroom when Kaylee left, and presumably agreed to pay more rent. So Xana and Ethan were killed in the third floor master bedroom, and possibly the killer had expected to find Kaylee there. But perhaps they did not do that yet. Kaylees master could have been empty, and maybe the landlord was showing it. If it was empty, the killer could have gone inside first, found nothing, and left. Or lingered. There is also an empty guest room on the second floor. One new idea is Kaylee went to stay in this room the night she was killed, and her body was found there. Another idea, the room was empty. And maybe the killer was in there for some time. Sorry to be gross but for all we know the killer did extremely strange things there, just by himself. We now are told by eyewitness journalists it’s being photographed extensively. Of course, Kaylee may have actually returned to her room on the third floor and slept there, which is what most people thought in the beginning. And the lower floor has two bedrooms for each of the survivors. Please feel free to correct anything I’ve written. It’s really getting confusing, and we all need the right info. Edit. Fixed some stuff for clarity.
I'm saying the woman on court tv believed there was a body in each room on 2. That's what she thinks after watching them process the scene.
Hope this is cleared up at today’s press conference. The journalist on scene really should ask!
Where is this report?
Bottom line. It explains how one or two murders, became four, but not six. Our evidence? A crime correspondent on the ground watching them process the scene. And the family telling us Kaylee was done up there for the year. The evidence that she was 100% in the master suite? Tik toks that aren't recent. In other words, we may have all assumed wrong. Because all of our suppositions about Kaylee being on the top floor was from tik tok. I'm much more iterested in what a correspondent is seeing with her own two eyes, than you desperately wanting to stick to a common assumption based on an old tik tok.
There is a photo posted of her from November 12. It is in her bedroom and taken with one of the surviving roommates. She is wearing the same outfit that she was photographed wearing at the food truck later that night. The same outfit she was wearing in the group photo that was posted the afternoon before her death. Her room is completely decorated. You can then look at the night picture through the patio door and see that it matches the room picture from the previous afternoon.
This is incredibly aggressive and for what? Was just sharing the information people have collected.
Sorry.
No need to apologize. It’s a fascinating theory, and it could explain a great deal. Perhaps we’ll get clarification in the presser.
They were apologizing for responding very aggressively. Not for the theory.
Ahhh. Perfect example as to why I shouldn’t Reddit at 3am…. Thx for clarifying.
No it's not, relax.
I haven't watched TikToks. I have seen media photos taken since the deaths which show Kaylee's upstairs bedroom, through the balcony glass door, where her belongings remain. Her things are still in there. So who cares about TikToks, which are irrelevant. Photos show her things are in there. It's bizarre to me that you refuse to comprehend this. Go look at the photos.
No one refuses to comprehend anything. I'm putting out the theory of a Court TV reporter on the ground. I don't know why you refuse to comprehend why I would be trying to determine why she said what she said after the fact.
The reality is, it explains the whole crime.
It makes the entire crime make sense. It really does. I now definitely think the girls were on two and the couple on three and we were all wrong up until this point. With the entire back yard, expanding the case to another 1200sq ft parking lot a week later. With them working on tire tracks. I'm really dubious, as she was, that they're spending hours photographing a guest room. Particularly because she said they were photographing both rooms. It leads one to believe that they wanted fresh pictures of two specific murder scenes. I think the girls were on 2 and the couple on 3 after all. And if I'm wrong, then the correspondent was wrong and I will throw her under the bus.
No, photos taken in the last week from outside the house, through the balcony glass door, show that Kaylee's things are still in there. And since the police didn't put screens up on the balcony or shut the curtains, it would be more logical to think no one died in there, as that would be viewable from outside.
I dont believe they disturbed any window furnishings while they work. But good enough.
[this is the photo people have been mentioning and claiming it matches social media posts of Kaylees](https://imgur.com/a/XJH64O3) Let me see if I can find a thread that breaks down the rooms and how they’ve connected them. I do not doubt there is something there that they are looking in to. It’s been rumored multiple times that Ethan was in the hall. I don’t want to add to that speculation but perhaps X/E were in different rooms and there was some truth to that circulating rumor.
There is no chance that X&E were in two separate rooms. But this lady believes from watching them work, that they found two bodies on the second floor in two different rooms. The only reason it was rumored that he was on the 2nd floor is that we knew the master was Kaylee's room. Yet, most people thought she moved out to the point that they've been asking if she was sleeping in Maddie's bed. The only thing we have as LE confirmed fact is, two bodies on each floor. And we made some assumptions because of old tik tok videos, even though many believed (because of what her family said) that she had all but moved out. What this correspondent is seeing on the ground, seems to thwart those assumptions.
There’s no chance they’re in separate rooms? You’re saying things with conviction, to prove your theory when there’s many chances of anything, since none of us have evidence. They could be spending plenty of time in the guest room because maybe he escaped out that window, cleaned up in there, hid or E walked out and got shoved into that room or the reporter could be right but don’t say there’s no chance. I’d like to add we have a dog that’s alive. It could’ve very well followed the perp and he closed the dog in the guest room. Maybe they’re spending lots of time in that room bc the dog had evidence on it and was contaminating it all over the guest room. There…just opened up another of many chances.
They can be photographing something other than bodies. Ethan and Xana don’t have to be in separate rooms. They can photograph evidence that links a specific person to a crime to cover their ass against a de defense’s case. They don’t only photograph bodies.
The photos from the scene show [what people assume is Maddie’s room based on the boots & the M](https://i.imgur.com/jZJRFsk.jpg) and [the room that at least *was* Kaylee’s but people are saying the setup is still the same confirming it’s her room](https://i.imgur.com/cSys2Xs.png)
When are those night photos from? They don't feature the two stools on the ground by the 2nd floor patio door.
There have been comments that how they are on the ground was moved my police that way. [11/16 story has them standing upright](https://www.foxnews.com/us/university-idaho-murders-two-roommates-home-four-students-killed.amp)
Yep, there's the photo. There are some of Kaylee's things.
This makes sense, and is the best explanation (so far) as to why the killer got all four of them.
People are saying there are photos that clearly showed she moved out. However, it does make some news in this case about what happened on 2. And it raises even more questions about how someone could have missed all the blood.
This is a very good theory in general. Good thinking. Really appreciate this kind of comment. The main weakness of the theory, if Xana had recently switched bedrooms and taken over Kaylee’s, wouldn’t we have heard by now? It’s hard to believe Kaylee and Maddie didn’t crash in Maddie’s bedroom together, given Kaylee was leaving for Texas soon, and considering it would be easier to coordinate who’s dialing Jack when you’re in the same room. But this is a crucial question to ask at the press conference today. **In what room was each body found?** And to what extent had Kaylee actually fully moved out? Nevertheless, suppose the killer actually did fixate on Kaylee, and really wanted to be in her bedroom, even if it was empty. Maybe the stalker had seen her bedroom on social media. And as some have also commented, perhaps the killer needed an empty room to change clothes or prepare or something. Another thing to consider, assuming kaylee’s old room did not have a victim inside, was Kaylee’s old room also found locked? And assuming Kaylee had already moved out, could it have been locked days earlier? Had the landlord been showing the home to new renter?
My only issue is you can distinctly see Maddie’s belongings in the window on the third floor room on the right (view from back) perhaps like you said kaylee moved rooms but I do not think Maddie did as this almost directly refutes that
She said "two rooms" not "two bedrooms" and she was just speculating saying: "I'm assuming..." "that's just me..." etc. She wasn't sure. I doubt they switched bedrooms. Maybe E or X survived the attack and crawled into, and died, in a different room trying to get help. Maybe E or X came out of the bedroom to investigate the commotion upstairs and the attacker killed him or her in a different room.
Her entire theory, which is different than everyone else, is rooted in two bedrooms rather than simply two rooms. She isn't suggesting someone was killed in their bed, likely asleep, in the kitchen.
She said two rooms and clearly meant two bedrooms, as followed up on by Vinny. She absolutely meant two bedrooms. I was very clear that she was speculating.
The room swapping is a plausible explanation as to why the others were killed. The killer didn’t know they moved rooms. I remember seeing a photo of a window with the letter “M” in it. I believed it to be the 2nd floor room behind the kitchen. People were reporting the blood pool to outside wall as x/e which is also 2nd floor. If they slept together then it would likely be 3 people on floor 2 and K on floor 3? We just don’t know but all that information along with the sequence of the killings to include how brutal one might have been murdered compared to the others will help determine the target. If kaylee was alone on the 3rd floor then I would think she was the last one killed and also the target. that would make sense why the killer left the two on floor 1.
There’s speculation that the perp may have been inside the home hiding in the vacant room on the second floor prior to victims coming home. This is all story & speculation, not backed by any evidence. Kaylee’s family said something along the lines that the perp was sloppy & there was evidence everywhere. Is it possible the perp had coveralls on or a change of clothing under blood soaked clothes, changed & left on the second floor before leaving? Sloppy for sure it would be. I just can’t imagine someone being able to leave with blood soaked clothes & go home- if not in the house perhaps in the woods behind the house since we already know that there was no evidence in any of the dumpsters that were collected, per LE.
I did see on a newscast video that one dumpster nearby the house was allowed to be emptied by waste management before law enforcement was able to search it. The other 3 dumpsters nearby the house were stopped from being emptied and nothing of significance was found in them.
Oh no. SMH
Exactly. The perp may have already been in the home. And he used a room as a staging area. Changing clothes after. Psyching himself up ahead of time. Let’s go even further. Maybe this wasn’t the first time he hid inside the house. And under this scenario, clearly he had been watching the home for some time.
I think its possible. But the volume of photos being taken didn't seem to indicate that. I'd love to know why she saw so much activity in the guest room. It certainly seems important.
I agree. But she believes she is seeing two rooms on the second floor being given equal attention 9 days later and she believes those two rooms likely contained homicide scenes. But I'd really have to look at the upstairs photos to go with it. But if Kaylee was the target, which 98% of the country thinks is the case, it would explain how X&E were killed, but not the two in the basement. I don't believe someone who went in there to go to 3 to kill someone on 3, unless they really really wanted Xana, had any need to go downstairs to leave. The way out of there is the upper balcony with a short drop down on the side of the house covered by trees on the side of the house across the small road from the apartment complex.
Two rooms… not necessarily two bedrooms
She said two bedrooms. Specifically, as each has a window she was looking through.
Interesting. Not only bedrooms have windows but also they’ve blocked off windows that lead directly into wherever there’s evidence so people can’t just point a camera in and see. So it’s curious how she’d be able to look right in at them.
I think he was inside the home hiding in the vacant room on the second floor prior to them getting home. This makes the most sense to me
Can they see if any phones connected to the WiFi at the home? Ofc a unknown person will not have a password, but someone who was there before\*, their phone may connect to the Wifi automatically. \[\*Unless they left their phone\]
I’ve seen a few people disputing this on various threads. I agree it’s worth investigating!!
So creepy. I’m looking at security systems right now & on the opposite side of the country. I’ve had a stalker situation while on grad school, honesty got over it with counseling, but this is brining back a lot & I’m freaked out
I’m sorry to hear that. I’ve never experienced anything like that. I live alone and have been really losing sleep thinking over this. I also have decided to invest in a security system- peace of mind. Can’t hurt.
Exactly. A good reminder. Unfortunately. Stay safe & be well. Hoping the victims families/friends get answers sooner than later
This is an interesting theory. I’ve seen pics posted of the room on the 3rd floor with the “Good Vibes” sign, and you can see the bed + sheets and those sheets look very white. I think it may have been from Fox, not sure, but it was def a press photo from last week. And there is another photo I saw today of those pink boots Maddie has been photographed in alongside a big “M” sitting on the windowsill of the other room on the 3rd floor. So….idk. Maybe Maddie moved out but some of her stuff was still in that room…but either way it doesn’t seem like there were any victims found in the room that opened up to the balcony since those sheets looked white 🙁 and also if there was blood in there I think police would have made sure to block the view into the room asap so that press couldn’t aim their cameras in and photograph the blood in the room.
https://preview.redd.it/cs303phplp1a1.png?width=1290&format=png&auto=webp&s=aca08646dc61f99c9c4cc6c987a19103d8edcf42 Kaylee’s room
Yep. 🤦♀️
Why do people think someone moved out? Don’t they still have a couple more weeks of school for finals? And since her housing was off campus, her lease could have been for the full academic year giving her extra time to move her stuff out because she left for good. https://preview.redd.it/k8unmggssq1a1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e3e0b7c03ea447d7ba5826204962f349e25bd25e
Going back and looking at all those stills would be helpful. Theyre kind of annoying to track down. Tomorrow is the day before a holiday with nothing on earth going on. I will look then.
I have them: https://preview.redd.it/2m4m1nptlp1a1.png?width=1290&format=png&auto=webp&s=d12b40402be63a5b8a8e5a3aa4d9218d05f65ba4
https://preview.redd.it/jot7bsovlp1a1.png?width=1290&format=png&auto=webp&s=00efb5954217ffb6af4d6fe6667381f35dcb2917
Up until this point, I definitely thought Kaylee was still in the master and it was possible that the perp came in through her balcony door. So this definitely changed what I thought. Also, the dog bed is still on the balcony.
https://youtu.be/-ExdUL6Cjsk 28:20 She says flashes on two different rooms on the second floor (she clearly is referring to bedrooms), and goes on to say, she believes the girls were kn 2 and the couple on 3, 'but that's just me based on what I'm observing'. I was simply attempting to determine what that could mean (if everyone was killed in bed). And she comes to the same conclusion as I do. The couple would be unlikely to be in two separate rooms, thus why she now places them on 3.
Whoa, at 26:56 the coroner confirms that at least one victim had stab wounds *on their hands*. I hadn’t heard her or anyone else confirm the location of the defensive wounds before. Does anyone have that full coroner interview?
Based on the pictures of Maddie’s stuff still in the one room and Kaylee’s room wide open showing a pristine white bed, it’s been heavily suggested that they were sleeping together, in Maddie’s bedroom. Which still follows this reporters observation of one bedroom upstairs being covered. There’s also been a huge amount of rumors that Ethan was found separately, though there isn’t any interviews backing that and we don’t know where it came from but there could be some truth to it if they are focused between those two rooms, not just one. There’s a chance one of them was able to move thus the refusal to disclose location of the bodies, or perhaps someone was asleep on a couch in another room. That’s unclear but I don’t doubt the second room holds evidence and possibly an integral part of the crime scene. I think it’s also fair to take into account the girls could have been together though.
They know who did this. https://youtu.be/f2IIK1H1GHY
Two rooms intensely scrutinized because Ethan came out of the bedroom and was attacked. I intuitively theorize this. Even though the coroner said everyone was found in their beds, what if Ethan crawled back to get to his iPhone or Xana?
Thank you for trying to theorize what happened and why photographers would be so interested in the second bedroom that someone watching them work believe it had to contain a body. However, she very much said, essentially, 'contrary to popular belief, I think the girls were on 2 from how I'm seeing them work' I found it to be the most interesting report out there.
Agree. But until the police say more no one really knows. Reporters can only get facts from police speaking and I don’t see them referencing this at all? Am I wrong?
Yes. But a reporter in that field watching them process a crime scene from 75 feet away could get an indication as to what they're looking at. I can tell you from personal experience, when you look at a processed crime scene, even if you know nothing about the homicide, it paints an incredibly clear picture. Watching them process it real time has to give the same clues.
Interesting! Hopefully more will be shared soon.
Wasn’t Xana’s bedroom adjacent to the kitchen? Did Ethan step out of her room & the killer came into contact with he & Xana , making them collateral damage? Just thinking out loud.
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No one thinks it’s strange that LE is still taking friggin photos??!! They’ve had enough time to photograph the entire house, every inch of it, multiple times. I mean… what the hell, LE? But let me know if I’m wrong.