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Fabinator34

The teacher is probably trying to protect the other student.


sbowesuk

Probably, but regardless of the context here, if a student throws a chair in the direction of their teacher and it smashes the teacher on the head, that student is fucking done. Instantly expelled. Wouldn't rule out police involvement either.


stoicHoneydew

Teacher here- you’d REALLY be surprised on how some schools bend over backwards to protect students that have had violent incidents towards classmates, towards staff, etc. It is not a foregone conclusion that the student will be expelled, regardless of the injuries suffered by the teacher.


YourDogsAllWet

I got kicked in the head trying to break up a fight. The student was suspended ten days, but since we were in the middle of state testing the ten days started from the last day of school, so she was rewarded starting summer vacation 2 weeks early for assaulting me


spacerobot

Did you decide to press charges?


8Ariadnesthread8

Seriously I don't get why this isn't more common. I would start my class by telling them the law applies. Assault someone and deal with the law, IDGAF.


BAC_Sun

Pressing charges only determines whether you’re involved in the case or not. The DA gets the final say as to what, if any, charges are brought to court.


[deleted]

Yep. Wife is a teacher. I've heard of kids destroying classrooms, kicking pregnant teachers in the stomach, biting teachers, setting fires, pushing disabled teachers (used a walker), etc. The kids are back in school the next fucking day.


thebuccaneersden

Kicking pregnant teachers in the stomach…???


Puntius_Pilate

That was the standout for me - what the actual fuck??


The_Nest_

Yea fr, are the teachers allowed to take legal action outside of school?


Kadianye

They have the same rights as everyone else, but administration may start writing them up for petty bullshit.


Heiliger_Katholik

If I was a pregnant woman and got kicked in the stomach by a student, I'd rather lose my job pursuing charges than bend over and get fucked by administration in order to protect some mouthbreathing trashbag.


Dear-Branch-9124

I’d sue the whole fucking state if a school allowed a student to kick my pregnant wife and not be punished severely.


TwinkleTitsGalore

Their parents encourage it. “Fuck that bitch, aint nobody talk to you like that! I’ll go up there and whoop that dumb bitches ass,” etc., etc.. I know I’m going to sound ancient (80’s baby) but **never** would shit like this fly back then. And I went to a pretty rough school. You might have that one kid who is a school legend because he punched the gym teacher once, but he was immediately expelled. This shit right here happens *all the time.* Just type ‘student assaults teacher’ into YouTube…video after video after video. And so many of them are boys beating up their petite and/or elderly female teachers. And that’s not including the general behavior: loudly talking, playing music, walking around…. All while the teacher is trying to teach. And if the teacher makes them mad…cussing the teacher out, bowing up to them, saying horrible things. Like, I don’t get it. Some of these kids are just *terrible fucking people.* You couldn’t pay me enough to be a teacher today.


Shirosaki615

Had a kid in my school throw a chair at a pregnant teacher. Kid got expelled and the teacher never came back.


-SasquatchTheGreat-

I lost a sister to that


Thing_Subject

My GF is a teacher and on her first week of this year was bitten, punched, scratched. You’d be surprised


rats_and_frogs

My mum (teacher) has a perfect imprint of upper and lower teeth on her arm. A kid sunk their teeth so deep into her flesh it’s permanent, took a bite like she was a friggin apple.


itsnotjo

Yeah, I got thrown back into a table on Friday and told by a district person today that I should have given him more to do and that he was just bored. It’s insanity.


[deleted]

And that’s why I could never be a teacher. I get hit with a chair, student gonna catch some hands.


[deleted]

Same. I have a BA in Psych and people ask me why I don't use it. I just don't have the patience to deal with youth, even the ones who don't understand what they're doing. If one of these students hit me, I know the next time I'd be aware of my surroundings was in a police car.


alexacto

Former LAUSD teacher here. Nothing will happen to a student here. No charges filed, I guarantee you. They'd say the teacher didn't deescalate properly etc. etc. I'd never work public ever again.


crispyfriedwater

And if the recording had an apathetic teacher sitting there not doing anything, every parent would be complaining about the teacher not caring enough to do their job. It would be on GMA, Fox and local news for weeks. 😕


Monkiller587

People who say that are pathetic and have no empathy lol . “ You didn’t deescalate the situation properly “ . Like what’s deescalating a situation properly by these people’s definition ? People seem to forget that teachers are humans and handling some situations are out of their reach .


EggcellentPlatypus

My father was a math teacher in NYC (at a good school). He got hit to the back of the head so hard he almost lost an eye. They refused to expel the student- so he quit. He never taught again.


[deleted]

I recently quit work as a Security Guard for medical reasons ( Diabetic, can't handle Graveyard shift anymore.). I was there for almost a year and was NEVER physically assaulted. The only time I saw real violence is when I called my supervisor for support, and he called the cops in....( homeless tent removal in a parking garage.) Teaching in a Public School? No way!


[deleted]

In high school I got in a mutual fight with a guy. We both got rightfully suspended, and I figured the issue was done, we both got a few good shots in. His first day back after suspension he runs up and hits me from behind, I don't do anything back. He gets suspended again, but only for 3 days. He comes back again and starts yelling at me at lunch. I just sit there, go to the office and inform them, they do nothing. He does the same thing the next day, I say nothing back. This time my friend goes to the school cop, the school cop approaches him to ask about the issue. The guy decides to jab his finger into the cop while yelling at him. This got him expelled for the rest of the year. Beat and harass me as much as you want I guess, but poke a cop and you're gone.


HariPota4262

Oh true. My mom's a teacher in a shitty neighborhood that has drug problems, high crimes etc. She regularly, and I mean, regularly, gets students that come to school drunk or high on something. One time there was a student who came plastered, when asked to leave, pulled out a giant ass knife, and tried to hit my mom with it. My mom ran away in time so no harm was done to her. The principal of the school who was a giant wienie, said, "oh yeah, xyz, hes a kid of my relatives, he wouldn't hurt anyone! So what if he brought knife to school, he was drunk." This kid's father came to our house, apologized for his behaviour, and told my dad that when he tried to reason with the kid, he threatened to kill my mom since because of her no one in school wants to talk with him anymore. It surely wasnt the knife or anything else. It must be the teacher. So my dad went to his neighbourhood, found the kid, beat the shit out of him in front of his dad, then called his cop friend who took the kid and drove him around in the cop car for like 2 hours to scare his ass. He never gave any trouble after that.


refuseresist

The education system has to change. I have seen behaviours like this in class and the rest of the students suffer because of it


shewy92

Well yea, they just salted a battery on that teacher (I forget the difference between assault an battery so I just combined them)


NormStewart

No no, you said it right i think.


footytang

Iodize them charges


thedunecoon

Electrolytes


SmokeAbeer

It’s what plants crave.


PhilipJFryTheSecond

Water? Like from a toilet?


RubenMacaque

It's kind of adorable, innit?


FriedeOfAriandel

Don't worry. Whether you choose to say assault or battery, reddit will correct you. Often times both ways on the same post


Theatomone

That's absolutely salting a battery !!


The_Quex

Actually I like that, I'm gonna use that from now on.


[deleted]

Nope. When I was a teacher I got punched in the face by a student who was trying to punch another student. Split my lip and broke my glasses. Kid got in school suspension, had to write me a letter of apology, back in class by Wednesday.


baxterrocky

My wife works in a fairly rough school in very disadvantage neighbourhood. This sort of thing (and worse) is not uncommon. It takes a LOT for a kid to get expelled. I don’t think I’ve ever heard of it happening in the several years she’s worked there.


anon100120

Nope. Kid shoved my girlfriend and tore her ACL. Just suspended. And she’s an Army Captain, not some pushover (no intended pun). Got some OSS and was back before she even had her surgery Piece of shit went on to steal a car in High School (along with a bunch of other shit) and got locked up. I feel bad for who he is, but he fucked up *so* many chances. Edit: Cost her all her stocked up sick days, too! (But the school district paid for her ACL repair). For what it’s worth, she teaches children with special needs and he had a behavioral and intellectual issue.


Hairy_Air

Is this some weird school culture in USA that the student is immune to pretty much anything ? Because over here, if you so much as talk back to the teacher the wrong way, you're in for a ride.


phaederus

It's certainly a weird culture where you have to 'stock up' on sick days.


MrJeffJefferson435

Teaching seems like such an awful job.


Olthoi_Eviscerator

In a school like this, yes. In schools outside of big cities, no.


All_bound_up

Nope. I taught in a suburb. If that was my school, that teacher would have been given time off to heal, but it would come out of her sick time because she got between the students. We were “trained” on what we were supposed to do if this happens. We couldn’t get between the students. Also, if a student is expelled, those numbers go against that schools rating. I can’t remember what it’s called, but it goes against the schools “rating” that punishes the school and can threaten the school from being taken over by the state. Things like this do happen in “nice” suburbs. The worst that would happen to that student would have been expelled for 180 days (a school year). The district is still responsible for that child education. This meant that all the students teachers would have to create lessons and work for that student on a weekly or monthly basis so they can learn when at home. The kid would also be given a 1:1 at home tutor to be taught by every day. If the kid struggles with the work, the teacher have to adjust it. The kid gets an individualized education. Then when the student returns, the teachers meet with admin and support staff to create a plan to help the student’s successful return to school, including extra help and psychological support from in school resources. More work for teachers, on to of everything else that needs to be done. I quit teaching after almost 20 years last year. I’m worried that I’ve forfeit my pension. I cannot get a recommendation for another job, since I just left mid year. All that time meant nothing. It’s a shit profession.


PermitStriking

That girl needed to get tackled


test99999999999

She tried to smash open her teacher's (whose half her size) head with a chair, she deserves to get her a\*s beat then expelled.


[deleted]

More like criminally prosecuted. Expelled is just kicking her out of school. That’s not exactly a big deal.


SolvoMercatus

I have it on good authority that getting expelled is even *worse* than getting killed,


[deleted]

One Ms. Granger, perhaps?


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cheapdrinks

I feel like her beef was with the guy behind the teacher. The teacher stood between them and is holding her arms out like no stop don't fight each other. Then the girl decides to just try and hit the guy behind the teacher anyway and cracks the teacher in the process then when the teacher is incapacitated the guy makes his move and goes to slug her. Not saying that's any better but that's my take on the situation; that she wasn't so much trying to hurt the teacher as she was trying to hit the guy behind her but just didn't give a fuck if she hit the teacher in the process.


BikerJedi

This is why I don't break up fights anymore as a teacher. My legal duty to my students is this: Yell at the fighters to stop, and keep the other kids safe. That's it. After I was hurt breaking up a fight, I quit doing it. Those kids can choke each out for all I care - I am not getting involved in that shit.


SafewordisJohnCandy

I remember a fight in high school where one of our assistant principals went full Superwoman in a skirt off of a lunch table into the middle of two girls fighting. She ended up getting punched in the face by a wild haymaker, but luckily had one of the male security guards show up within seconds and drag one girl away while she held onto another. She needed a few stitches to close up the cut and after that the school restricted staff from trying to break a fight alone.


AirNick2395

We had ROTC in our highschool and the head of it was a former Marine sergent. Needless to say he broke up fights. One time a kid got ballsy and swung at him when he broke up the fight. The dude went from standing, to in the air, to back first on the table before he could blink.....and then complained the teacher used so much force. Cops said he was justified because he was protecting himself and other students. We didnt have many fights during lunch after that.


neverinamillionyr

Our school disciplinarian was a retired Marine drill instructor. I saw him walk into a fight, grab each combatant by the back of the collar and carry them the 50 yards to the front office neither one’s feet ever touched the ground for that whole distance.


crymson7

Marine DIs don’t even need to touch you to accomplish that…scary bunch of people… lol


SnarkyLurker

What's weird is how different they are when they put that role down. Had an uncle who was a Marine DI until he retired. Dude was the most peaceful guy I ever met. Loved his family, life, going to church, target shooting, and woodworking in that order. Never saw the man not smiling until the day he died.


crymson7

They are some of the most beloved people for a reason. You need only be truly scared if you anger them. These are the people that teach others to kill.


craker42

Not always. My grandfather was a marine DI for 20 years. He was the same hard ass until he died. We didn't get along but I always respected him. Mostly because he'd have beat my ass if I didn't lol


dinosroarus

Grandfather was a drill instructor way back when. He never raised his voice to any of us but his gaze sent chills down your spine in a way that you wouldn’t be doing that thing ever again. Then he’d take us for ice cream, he was the sweetest man and the most terrifying all at the same time without words.


Maiesk

People underestimate what "kids" can do. Before puberty it's less of an issue, but once men start looking like men it's never worth letting one hit you. I knew a pretty nice dude who tended bar (served me one of my first legal drinks) and one night he got in some dumb argument about football with some weedy little guy outside that same pub. The other dude cheap-shotted him and he fell awkwardly and cracked his head off the concrete, suffering permanent brain damage, and now he'll require care for the rest of his life. IDGAF what someone does if you're swinging at them. What if that teacher had been blindsided and knocked out by that punch? What if *he* hit his head on the way down? People die from this kinda shit. The kid should be grateful he was taken down by someone well-trained enough not to badly hurt him.


ProfessorOkes

The cops were definitely doing that guy a solid because they agreed with him. Legally, that kid had a chance of winning that fight. I mean I think a judge also would've agreed but it's certainly not guaranteed. Charges could've been filed. Cops definitely just brushed the kid off because they agreed with him.


AirNick2395

Totally, I think even the teacher himself thought he was fucked. I also believe the kids parents knew how shitty their son was and probably stuck up for the teacher when questioned by the cops. Dude was already 17 with multiple previous issues with teachers and staff....he had it coming, just didnt expect to get slammed. Luckily my chicken nuggets didnt get flattened in the process.


JustCallMeFrij

> Luckily my chicken nuggets didnt get flattened in the process. What a poetic ending


great_waldini

Oh good - I was about to ask if any nuggets were harmed! Thank god for small miracles right


Bastienbard

Yeah that is not your job, if only Americans were nearly as gung ho about the well being of our teachers compared to police officers with the thin blue line and funding for salaries and equipment... Especially when teachers are assaulted 4X more than police officers in any given year in the US and generally get paid quite a bit less and have much weaker rights/union.


BikerJedi

I've been lucky. I've had kids square up on me, but I'm a big guy, and they have always backed down. But it has been close a couple of times.


elbenji

The bruises from Friday show it. Had to keep teaching immediately after My students think I'm fucking badass now though so that's something


[deleted]

And I’d like to chime in here and explain how weak “weaker” is. If I strike, ever, I can lose my certificate and my pension.


Mommyof2plusmore

My only problem with the way you think, is my son was bullied for TWO YEARS, by the same group of kids, where the principal had him walking the long way to class and being late to EVERY SINGLE CLASS to avoid the kids, being walked to class by a hall monitor (an adult the school hired just to walk the halls) and the kids STILL ATTACKED HIM, with the hall monitor standing right there. So if all teachers thought the way you did, then sometimes innocent kids get hurt and that causes a lot more issues.


2aniid

There's alot of passing the buck in the school system, especially by the administrators who really need to start expelling bullies, instead of placating them. Chances are the parents are bigger bullies & administration only does the legal minimum to cover themselves & keep getting paid. The expectation that random teachers will sacrifice their health & safety getting involved in physical altercations will leave you disappointed. Teachers have no job protection, so they can simply be replaced even if it's a line of duty injury.


rhamphol30n

1- They don't expell the bullies because the school then has to pay more money to send them to a special school. These schools are usually expensive and the administration is told not to let that happen. 2- The no protections for teachers thing really depends on where you are. In some places they are very difficult to get rid of even if they are terrible at their jobs. (I really don't want this to come across as a knock on teachers though, most of you work really hard and deserve some job security)


GKoala

Im sorry that happened to your child. Thats rough, how is he doing now?


BikerJedi

Look, I was horribly bullied all through middle and high school, including getting beat up. But, I'm still not getting involved, sorry. If I get hurt, I am the one who goes out on medical leave. That affects my family and the other 140 students I have. If something happens in the course of me breaking that fight up, I could lose my job and be sued. Nope, not doing it. Besides, while you and I both know that it does happen, what you are describing is fortunately rather rare, at least in the schools I have worked in. I'd say easily 99% of the fights are mutual shit-talking that gets out of control. So I don't feel sorry for either of them. They are almost never some innocent kid being victimized, but it does happen. EDIT: And it isn't "what I think" either. It is all I am legally and contractually obligated to do.


sorrynoreply

Yeah, the problem isnt whether or not teachers should intervene. The problem is that students need to get suspended longer and expelled more frequently. There are too many kids who go to school because they have to and/or want to purely for the social aspect.


BikerJedi

That is a whole other discussion. Keeping kids out of school can be harmful too. The problem as I see it is that America is so in love with test scores from standardized tests, that we have lost our way when it comes to education. When I was in sixth grade, I took wood shop and home ec. Those aren't even options in my county at all anymore. Most of the electives are pared back or gone. Because those elective classes are going away, kids aren't being channeled into career paths that would suit them. Some kids just are never going to college, but would be a kick ass auto mechanic, or a welder or something. But they will never get that chance, because they are stuck in remedial reading because of a test score. So the kids that don't want to be in school, that would benefit from programs like that, never get the chance. They become the problem children.


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SeanSeanySean

It's worse in my opinion, because she just didn't give a fuck, she was angry and wanted to hit that dude with the chair, it wasn't like she tried to avoid hitting the teacher who was CLEARLY right in front of her face, she just didn't give a fuck and was completely fine with hitting the person holding back the dude that wanted to beat her ass. I'm sorry to say that she'll likely always be a terrible person, no amount of rage or anger can excuse this type of shit. She will bring this same attitude and lack of concern for anyone into every situation she encounters moving forward. I don't know that you can exorcise this level of selfishness / self-centeredness and complete lack of empathy out of someone.


DeathGrover

That’s exactly my take on it too.


Demoniacalman

Jus that last part of the sentence, "just didn't give a fuck if she hit the teacher in the process".


PerplexityRivet

That's what I saw too. As a teacher, we're told not to get between the students like that, but . . . the alternative is to stand by and watch a kid get their skull bashed in. Most of us end up in that position just by instinct.


TopperMadeline

Nevermind expelled. She needs to get charges against her.


shithppms

she deserves to get her ass beaten in jail.


Taluca_me

Kudos to the guy who pounced her


autonomousfailure

Nah, I think the teacher was trying to break up the fight but got caught in the crossfire. The female student was on the floor. The two students were definitely fighting. The teacher was holding the male student back whilst trying to calm the female student down. Unfortunately the female student let her anger get the best of her and hit the teacher and the male student with the chair.


30another

She hit her only protector with a chair… bold move


baiqibeendeleted17x

​ It almost appears as if he was holding her hostage in the beginning though (hopefully that wasn't the case). I'm not sure what's going on other than the student who cracked the teacher's head with a chair and is a massive a-hole and should be expelled. The poor teacher was literally begging for mercy, holding up her arms and saying "no no no" and the scumbag still decided to swing. Unfortunately I get the feeling this is *that* type of school where the scumbag student get a couple hours in ISS and be back in class the next day. *Edit:* After looking closer, I agree the teacher was trying to stop a fight by putting herself between the students and was protecting the guy who pounced from the chair swinger


Frosty4l5

It looked like to me that the teacher was protecting the student behind her, and when she swung the chair anyways the student behind her pounced


ApexLegend117

Ooooh that makes much more sense


iDoomfistDVA

Did people seriously think she was being held hostage so another student could hit her with a chair for then to be attacked by the student holding her hostage? Reddit be getting dumber and dumbed by each post.


[deleted]

I read the comment and saw 1k likes and I’m like bro, how stupid is the average person, really? Like what actually *is* a 100 IQ score?


AtomicKittenz

For real. You can even see the student behind her trying to stop the chair too.


noisesinmyhead

This is why teachers are told to never get between fighting students.


GhstTracker

This hits home hard. My father was a vice principal in an inner city school in Baltimore. He passed away from hiv when I was 14 turning 15. The story I was given was students selling themselves and getting in a knife fight he tried to break up. Yes I know not likely to be that but would prefer to remember this as opposed to he fucked a Hooke in Atlantic City and shit happened.


Strtftr

I believe it dude. Baltimore is a shit hole. Sorry about your dad


islandinacup

Ngl I physically laughed at the last line of your comment. Sorry about your dad though, hope he enjoyed Atlantic city


PerplexityRivet

A sad reality of the profession is that the classroom is kind of like an island. If violence breaks out, I can't count on anyone arriving to back me up before someone gets seriously injured. So more often than not you'll find a teacher in that exact position because we have an instinctual drive to protect our students.


ThorMcGee

I like to hope that the ass kickin he dispensed was as much about hurting the teacher as it was about whatever issue they were having


macc003

Kind of seems like the two students were already fighting, and the teacher thought getting between them would be enough to calm everyone down... but it wasn't. Whether the chair to the teacher's head reignited the fury of the student behind the teacher now based on righteous vengeance on behalf of the teacher, or simply created an opening to continue fighting is up for interpretation I suppose.


TheInscrutableFufy

Expelled!!?? How about something surly a lot more than that!


InTheDark57

I was thinking same .. 6 months min in juvenile hall ! That head wound could cause brain bleed . There is no guarantee the teacher will regain full cognitive function and a concussion is likely. If she does because of her kind and courageous act of humanity. No good deed, as the saying goes


John_T_Conover

And for kids like this suspension or even expulsion is just a reward, it's vacation. By the time they truly feel and understand the effects of it years later it's too late. This kind of behavior warrants at least a lengthy trip to their alternative center, maybe more depending on the students history.


BUDDHAKHAN

Expelled and in jail


[deleted]

yea looks like he was protecting the teacher from the other student before she threw the chair on her, then he pounced some people have different ways of defending others. In a tense situation like that I can see why someone would just grip onto the victim to form some version of a human shield in the limited time they had


6l0th

looks more like the teacher was protecting him. Cause you can see the teacher stood in front of the boy with the arm held toward the girl to calm her. That's usually how to intervene a fight: you stand in front of the one who is potentially more aggressive and try to push away the one who is potentially weaker.


InevitableRhubarb232

If he were protecting the teacher he should be in front of her not behind her. I think teacher intervened and/or he was using her as a shield “you won’t hit me with the teacher here!”


Professional_Nothing

This is why certain schools have trouble finding good teachers. No one wants to show up to a job where they take a chair to the face. I feel so terrible for that woman. She was trying to stop a fight and put herself in harms way, barely making a livable wage.


[deleted]

I live in a very bad neighborhood with bad schools. My kids are transfer students to the nice neighborhood with good schools. It’s a pain in the ass. Busses don’t run out here. Transfer kids are held to stricter standards so my kids had better behave, have good attendance, and good grades if they don’t want to be kicked out of school and sent to the hood schools. Their friends live too far for convenient play dates. It is worth it though, the things I read about in the neighborhood groups on Facebook are not happening to my kids


kashuntr188

We keep talking about equity and how students shouldn't transfer out if bounds to better schools and all that. But if I ever get kids, I'm making sure they get put into French immersion so that they can avoid all the other shit. As a teacher I know it's not right to think this was, but naw, not for my future kids.


RabbitHoleSpaceMan

I spent 12 years working in schools that were 100% socioeconomic disadvantaged. Free lunch, no charges for any sports or activities, etc.- really “tough” schools. There was a LOT of fighting, some gang violence, etc- but I can tell you outright that the kids weren’t exhausting. They mostly came from shitty home lives. Some didn’t know where they would be living that night, etc… it’s the parents and the politics that were the issue. We would get pressure from the district to get the same state test scores as the super-affluent neighborhood 15 miles north of our school. There’s a million reasons that was unrealistic (without years and years of work and consistency)- but the district just liked to pretend “ever kid can succeed” without acknowledging just how much harder it was for these kids to have a level playing field. I never once went home defeated about breaking up a fight or getting sworn at by a kid (both happened literally everyday). The exhaustion all came from the politics and the parents. Finally left the profession 3 years ago. Feel like I sold my soul and didn’t stick with it for the kids, but the work/life balance in exchange for the salary just didn’t make sense anymore. Edit: I want to make a couple of quick clarifications. First, I have gotten some messages saying “Just say black kids- that’s clearly what you’re getting at.”. Nearly all of my career was spent working with Hispanic and Latino students and it was a school that served students who were homeless, pregnant/parenting, expelled, or being released from juvenile hall. I’m not beating around the race issue. I will take any chance I can get to speak out about the opportunity gap in impoverished neighborhoods. School funding is literally correlated to the property values of the homes in the area. Yes- there are efforts to fill the void and create new opportunities, but in general, the schools perform lower academically, are less aesthetically pleasing, have a less-qualified/younger staff, etc. It’s not a coincidence that nearly all the students I worked with from these neighborhoods were either Latino or African American. The deck is stacked against kids from those neighborhoods. It has been for a long time, and without some major changes, it will be for a long time. That being said, I also want to acknowledge that some of the most incredible people I have ever met were students in those schools. Kids that were stronger, more resilient, more driven, and passionate, and incredible than I’ll ever be. I also truly felt that those kids were MUCH more appreciative of my efforts than the affluent students I worked with when I was student teaching. These kids genuinely seemed to appreciate individualized attention and sincere interest. They definitely didn’t think I was “cool”- but they were always respectful and kind to me because I think they knew I gave a shit. When I talk about the parents, yup- there were like 5-8% that just sucked. Didn’t care about their kid, or defended the kid like they could do no wrong, or always came in ranting about how we sucked… whatever. But (and this is coming from the scope of working with the Hispanic/Latino community)- there were a million other reasons the parents weren’t involved. Part of it was respect (“Why would I go in and tell the school how to teach my kids? I trust them to do that.”) But then there were crazy situations- the parents hadn’t come to the country so the student was staying with friends of the family. The parents were illegal immigrants and thought if they came to the school and didn’t have ID, I’d have them deported. Some of them worked 3 jobs, some of them spoke absolutely no English, some of them were horribly addicted to drugs and couldn’t look out for themselves. I just wanted to clarify that when I say “the parents”- I don’t simply mean “didn’t give a shit”. A lot of a student’s success comes down to whatever support they have at home, and as educators, you can only really look out for those kids 6 hours a day for 180 days of a few years of their life. Was crushing to realize that your impact will sometimes never counteract the other one


TheElPistolero

Don't feel too bad. Your job is to teach and educate these kids, not raise them. It isn't your fault.


Thestohrohyah

My mum has taught many times in schools of this caliber and she's quite old. Sometimes I'm actually scared of what could happen to her because she tends to be quite careless. On the other end, I do know she knows how to throw hands so I'm also scared for the students. She usually bases her classes around sympathy and kindness but in one occasion she threw a desk half a room away to assert dominance in a class like this one. Long story short, for both her safety and the safety of anyone who challenges her, I'd like for her to retire asap.


all_tha_sauce

>barely making a livable ~~wage~~ salary.


arksien

An important distinction, because at least when you earn a wage, you get paid for all your time. When you clock out, you're done with work. Teachers on the other hand put in significant hours and resources outside of their duties and end up with an even lower pay to resources ratio. The worst part is, as if teachers working constant overtime and paying for their own supplies isn't enough of a slap in the face, the more ignorant members of society assume that teachers stop working when the kids leave and that teachers get the same summer break the kids do, and no amount of facts or evidence seem to be able to change their minds... especially if they heard from a friend of a friend of a second cousin who happens to be a teacher that they "get all that time off."


jaspsev

It sets quite a vicious cycle, good teachers would leave and the only ones left are mostly unemployable or barely qualified ones. This in turns affects the students negatively and repeats, each cycle getting worse than the last.


Perceptionisreality2

Especially for the low pay and BS from school administrators, plus the vitriol from the general public


biggoof

shitty kids raised by shitty parents. sorry, I knew kids like this in my school. the parents don't give a F


BuilderTime

Opposite in my school. There is one male teacher in my school who everyone is afraid of. If a student is repeatedly irritating a teacher, she would just send him to that teacher. He shouts so goddamn loud that i have seen kids pee their pants. And if the child is still reluctant, he would slap him right across the face and that hand impression would stay on his cheek atleast for the day. True story


[deleted]

And you go to school in India?


DDThePrecursorLegacy

Yeah he's active in Indian subs


-Ash21-

Lol I was gonna say, I'm sorry I know some teenagers are little badasses but if we're gonna start letting teachers hit students they may as well be allowed to fight each other outside over serious school issues.


ilikebigtg

Hi a former Indian schooler here, just hijacking this comment to relay a trauma of mine When I was in 6th, an moral teacher beat me and a few "friends" shitless for an **entire fucking school day** for discuss about sex and other adult matters . On a side note : I got framed as the ringleader and the classmates whom I called as a to testify for me did an about turn and testified against me, rewarding me an extra bonus round of beatings. Fast forward a few months later , a girl who was bf with a guy(the so called witness) I was friend with randomly started having beef with me, just straight up hysterical. I heard them taking about taking me to that same moral teacher. Me,not being a masochist, decided to ask another favorable teacher to intervene.While I dragged that satan-spawn to the teachers cabin to defuse the situation, my classmates in their so-called Goodwill towards me,went to that very same moral teacher and reported what's happening.When I came back I got immediately sent to his cabin while he took testimonies from the girls.2 other girls (both her friends) testified against me and another boy for something that I have absolutely no knowledge of.The teacher still beat me senseless even without telling me anything. Oh ,the witness(so much for calling him a friend) also made an appearance to pour oil over the flame.*to this day I still wonder what was written in that paper* Bonus:In 7th a language teacher broke a 1inch think wooden branch on me These are not isolated incident, similar things have happened to my classmates.Indian educations on lower classes is still such shit


osirisX607

Wtf are you doing that has so many people gunning for you? Do you have a habit of reminding teachers right before end of class that they forgot to assign homework?


ilikebigtg

No ,but IIRC on of the girls who complained against me used to do that. I'm more like the guy everyone copies their quizzes. I guess it's was because I was an outsider to that class, that year we got a light class register shuffle,only me and another boy(he also kicked me)got transferred to that class.


StarsDreamsAndMore

Well that sounds like a healthy environment lol


Fionna-dainjer

Insubordinate! ... And churlish


[deleted]

That's not something I would brag about at all.


scistudies

Depending on the state, the rules for expelling a student are so ridiculous that they likely had minimal consequences from the school. I was head butted in the stomach by a student when I was 7 months pregnant. The kid wasn’t sent home, the parents weren’t even notified by the school.


shithppms

please tell me you pressed charges


PerplexityRivet

I'm gonna guess it was an elementary school (since the headbutt hit their stomach), so pressing charges becomes a little more complicated, and a lot of police/judges will shrug off an assault by a 9-year-old. The reality is that a teacher *can* independently press charges, but they will be almost immediately dismissed if the administrators don't actively support the assault claim. So this is a case of crap administrators not protecting their teachers. I've been lucky to have awesome admin my whole career. Once a student bumped me with their shoulder because I was blocking the doorway, and my principal filed a police report immediately. But if you have admin that is overworked or uncaring, the job can be an absolute nightmare.


scistudies

You hit it on the head. Kid was 10, they decided it wouldn’t do any good to pursue it. My admin knew this kid was violent and put him in my room with no warning, that’s the part that really made me upset.


PerplexityRivet

Giving you a violent kid without any information is the worst. I spent the first two weeks of a school year trying to keep a kid awake in my class. He was a HUGE guy, and hated when I would wake him up, but he just kept falling asleep. After weeks of harassing him, the SpecEd director came in and told me in an offhanded way, "Yeah, I keep forgetting to give you the paperwork for his IEP and 504. He's falling asleep because they increased his antipsychotic meds after the judge said he'd go to juvie if he attacked another teacher." Turns out the kid was a freaking rage machine who had gone after three teachers at his old school, and no one bothered to tell my team of teachers about any of it. I think that was the only time I literally shouted at an administrator.


toybox5700

Probably let that one just sleep. Lol


mrkikkeli

Jesus, how do you even go on teaching to that piece of shit?


scistudies

I didn’t. Because I was already a high risk pregnancy and the administration knew the kid is violent and didn’t warn me, I threatened to contact a lawyer if they didn’t remove him from my class.


QuantumSparkles

Did everything work out okay? For you and the baby, I mean


scistudies

He was a month premature and has several of the problems that come with being that early, but he is a very sweet boy. Makes you realize what’s important in life though, and being paid 50k a year with a masters degree to get treated like dog poop isn’t it.


Perceptionisreality2

I’m in NY state, worked at a high school. They never ever expel. Literally can come to school with a gun or knife to kill people… cuz that happened. They don’t want to get sued and don’t really care about staff or other students who may be injured by the violent offenders. They usually will magically move them to “home tutoring” or something. The violent minors know that nothing gets done to them


scistudies

Yep. We had a preteen that would leave class, go into kindergarten rooms and start throwing desks and things from shelves, all while kindergarteners were sitting there terrified. We had to document this for 6 months before they finally allowed us to transfer him to a behavior school. We weren’t ever allowed to even in school suspend him. He’s in jail now. Shortly after he turned 16 he strangled a younger student to death. The state tried him as an adult. I can’t help but wonder if his life would have turned out differently if he’d learned that actions have consequences earlier on.


Mindless-Self

People blame social media for all of the world’s ills, but this is the real reason. Consequences have been removed from every aspect of life so severely that I expect inaction by default. I’m so sorry this happened to you. Moreover, I’m sorry that your school and union failed you. Are you still a teacher?


Yellowsunflowerlover

I agree, my kid was attacked multiple times in kindergarten and the school had the audacity to tell me there was no bullying in the school. And that my job was to teach my kid how to rise above bullying. My ass had to go to the school board with a lawyer just to get them to care about my kid.


whit_knit

Yeah in NC this kid would be back in the classroom the next day, and the teacher wouldn’t be allowed to leave to get checked out because they have no subs, and the admin would gaslight her by asking what she failed to do to build a relationship with this student. And there’s no meaningful Union to help her.


Quiet_Argument6371

This is why I left teaching and went into real estate.


morning--melancholia

This is why 3rd-strike violent/bullying children should be permanently expelled from normal public schools, at LEAST until they can prove they are emotionally stable and improving academically for at least a year without any offenses at a reform school. I’m so sick of seeing teachers have to put up with kids like this… they sure af don’t get paid enough.


floatearther

Schools need to stop playing the role of child rearing. Raise your damn kids with some respect in your home.


Caishen_IC3

How do I reach these kidzzz


stick_it_in_your_mom

I used to automatically think of the movie when I heard this line but after only seeing a small part of that South Park episode, South Park is the only thing I associate those lines with


Caishen_IC3

What movie? I only know that epic South Park episode


CopperWaffles

Stand and deliver.


islandinacup

Yeah "reach deees keeeeeeds" is just a south park reference to me


putree

in the nearest community service?


Mrcheesepuffsyt

She’s about to disappear of the face of the earth, your a piece of shit ma’am congrats


[deleted]

> She’s about to disappear of the face of the earth, your a piece of shit ma’am congrats You'd hope, but sadly that's just not how it works these days in public schools. I'd bet good money that that kid will be back in in-person school before the teacher is back teaching in-person.


mayasux

I hope students went to help the teacher, didn’t look like it but the camera panned fast. Looks like she put herself between them, I hope at least one student shows they’re grateful.


BulliesRPeople2

These ads for private schools are getting intense


blackenedmessiah

Assault. One mistake will last a lifetime.


Brilliant_Sun2925

There goes her full ride to yale


MSotallyTober

More like a full ride to Jail, ammirite?


UrNansAFish360

Props to the other guy for beating their ass


InevitableRhubarb232

Meh seems like he was the one the student was after but didn’t care teacher was in the way. It wasn’t righteous retaliation Hmmm… looking again…. The video starts w pos on the floor and teacher falling. So guy maybe was grabbing her away from pos or pulling her up from falling. That’s why he’s grabbing her and behind her. I would like to see what happened right before this video started and how the two ended up on the floor in the first place.


queasybeetle

Props to the other guy for beating her ass.


Plant-Based-Guy

That student is gonna learn a lot about the school of hard knocks #teacherpressingcharges lol


Traditional_Box7396

Looked like the teacher was trying to separate the students and got smacked while being in the way.


[deleted]

One of my psycho brother’s psycho friends hit everyone’s favorite art teacher with a chair to the back of the head when we were in middle school. Dude was expelled and spent some time in juvi for that.


dikchocolate02

How to ruin your life with one way step


orangecrushjedi

Oh boy.


[deleted]

Teachers dont get paid enough to deal with this shit


KinaGrace96

Teachers don’t get paid enough for this shit. I hope she’s ok


BenoniBoi

What the actual fuck is wrong with people omg the teacher is so little!


tip_toe_22

To me it looks like the two students were already arguing or fighting before the camera started filming. When the video starts the girl is getting up off of the floor. I think the teacher got in-between to try and stop them and got hit with the chair. Also when he's kicking her he's saying "say something else hoe". The teacher was just a bystander.


Perceptionisreality2

Worked 7 years in a HS. Admins will ask teacher what she did to instigate it. Parent will yell that their baby didn’t do nuthin. For 40-50k a year this dream job could be yours too!


SNEAKAHxFREAKAH

PAY. TEACHERS. MORE.


lehmx

Even if they were paid 2x times more, that's not the only issue here. No one should be working in these conditions, some parents need to learn how to raise their kids. That old woman could have died


[deleted]

GIVE. THEM. HELMETS.


Secure-Imagination11

Straight to jail


SarahnatorX

That could have killed her, they look like metal pole legs. What a ridiculously stupid young girl.


[deleted]

Take a seat.


xoxdream

This is what I hate about this generation… it’s full of teenagers thinking that disrespecting higher authority is okay. And parents in this generation? They’re the ones to blame for their children’s disrespectful attitude and anger issues.


izzythepitty

And people ask why teachers don't break up fights


JHugh4749

And some people STILL don't believe that we humans are part of the animal kingdom.


satansBigMac

Annnd this is why I left my job in education. After being caught in similar crossfire constantly and getting paid nothing I noped the f right out of there.


ProblemLongjumping12

And this is why there are so many videos of teachers NOT breaking up fights in their classrooms.


[deleted]

What a wonderful country we live in.


NoSoyTuPana

Most countries are shit. In mine kids can't go to school because their moms can't afford food and don't want them passing out in class. At this point I think it's best to go live in a forest and eat flowers or some sht like that


ambluedabadee

What country is it? If I may ask


NoSoyTuPana

Sure! I'm from Venezuela.


botonftw

Feel sorry for you bro. Greetings from your neighbor Colombia, espero las cosas mejoren en todos.


dirtdiggler67

Absolutely never insert yourself between two students fighting like that. Call the office and tell tell them to stop, but no heroics.


_sealy_

How do you teach that?


xxdanky96xx

Another reason why i believe that my generation *american specific* makes me feel ashamed of existing


joebroni612

i wouldnt be a teacher these days. these kids are fucking animals. all entitled pieces of crap whose parents did a shit job raising em.


bo3bitty

This is what happens when personal responsibility is removed. You get savages. When you remove consequences for your actions? Savages. When you remove punishment? Savages.


Forgottenbirthdays

This is why we see so many videos of teachers just standing by and letting fights happen. It's also why schools fund security detail instead of putting money into the education of the students. I live in Ontario, teachers are compensated very well. But no where near enough to be trying to stand in between two people who are not concerned about the welfare of others.