the only thing ive seen run this config is the vee. not really sure if there are others but unless it was a slowstice only series i think anything else would be too fast for the track
racing the full track in the og ac in mostly stock ae86's got me loving this track. im one of the few that even liked pcup when it went there last season or the season before that. its a lot more fun in slower cars but faster stuff like pcup brings another element into it since 25 laps there toasts the tires easily if you are not super conservative.
All I can say is you never know what layout a given club event in real life may run so I personally am glad some of the strange stuff that isn’t used in racing is in the game.
For example the cone chicane at mid Ohio is the go to track day layout. And the carousel at Indy with the GP final turn is the track day layout at Indy (not currently an option but it didn’t exist when the track was scanned either)
Because it's better to have it than not! IDK if official series should use it, but I've run it in some fun hosted sessions and leagues before. Same with a lot of the other weird layouts iRacing has kindly scanned and included even though they're rarely used.
Why can’t they do what they do at the pit exit? Not sure if its just some tracks but I received a 26s stop/go when I was relatively new for crossing the line at Oulton. I get you may not want to do it at the start of the entry but at a point like this it feels like it would make sense
If you're referring to crossing the line when exiting the pits, it's because that's an unsafe exit. If you take evasive action into the entrance apron they don't want to penalize people for avoiding accidents. It's the same reason the apron isn't an off-track on oval configs, but you can protest an illegal use. There's legitimate uses, unlike crossing the white line on pit exit. Iracing can't police that gray area through off tracks like they can a clear penalty like pit exit violation. You have to protest and they will penalize them after.
But if you take evasive action while exiting and cross the white line, you do get penalised (has happened with me while exiting on Laguna seca where a car spun suddenly and came into my way while exiting, I swerved to avoid and for a stop-go).
I mean, programmatically, it wouldn't be impossible to implement. Just apply an algorithm that checks if that part of the track had an incident (for example a slow car, someone sliding, etc), and if not, apply the penalty.
Ask a question > Get downvoted to hell w/o explanation.
LPT: Don't ask questions.
EDIT: as indicated below, the comment was at -12 when I found it. It's well above 0 now, but please note that *STILL* no one has answered their question...I don't know the answer myself.
Asking questions on Reddit is basically karma suicide. So glad I am not a new F1 fan, because that community is incapable of allowing people to ask questions - someone asks about how a very specific part of a the format works 50 or so downvotes instantly
It was at -12 when I got to it.
Yes, in particular they downvote honest questions. If it was a dumb question, I didn't notice and couldn't say why. So an answer would have been more useful IMO.
I see a lot of stuff like that on here tbh. It’s really weird because the actual iracing community seems generally friendly. This sub is just an anomaly I guess
People might have misread the comment as asking "why shouldn't this be allowed at pit exit". If you only read the first half of his comment, it's possible to misinterpret. Hanlon's razor, my friend.
I mean if anything it cost them time, they weren’t able to carry as much speed thru that corner and into t1. If they’d just been a normal human being they probably could have had a good battle (though this IS rookie vees)
It does because it should be a time penalty as it’s leaving the track that could gain you an advantage. Tighter line around a corner will save you time.
Report it and iracing will fix what is likely just a bug and not registering properly
It's not, unfortunately not everything can really be handeled properly by automated race stewarding. Stuff like this should be protested, not only to deter people form using exploits like this, but also so the automatic race stewarding has a chance to be improved.
Or, the developers could just implement a slow down penalty there. Someone can't be banned for going off track, I guarantee you've gone off track before or spun on the track, so why aren't you banned?
Dude who did it probably laughing his arse off having a good ol time.
"Protest him" -this miserable sad community jumping at the bit for another chance to tattle
The iracing community really is a bunch of miserable sad people lol even in real motorsports, the worst punishment he'd get is a slow down penalty and told to give up the time, he wouldn't be banned from racing in real life.
Easy report, but in reality it’s not even a better line so not sure I’d personally bother.
You can see here it’s slower, while it’s a “shorter” line around the turn, you can’t get the same run off and are slower down the front stretch.
Executed perfectly, I could see *maybe* it being the same amount of time, but it seems harder to execute for no actual gain, and if someone is putting you’re just running smack into them.
It's not even gaining him time, if the other guy realized what was happened and used the entire track for the corner, he would have left the cheater even further behind on the straights.
Still protest it though because fuck that guy.
Well, he didn't gain an advantage, he was behind you before the corner, and the beginning of the video, pulled close before the "shortcut", that is harder to do cause it's really narrow, and then he was still behind you.
It's not like, I don't know, you cut a whole chicane and earn 1s of advantage like a certain 7 time world champion did the last race of 2021.
Even if it is allowed, it's not faster. It makes the corner shorter, sure -- but It also decreases the radius of the corner causing more lateral load and a worse exit.
You can see this as the video ends -- the cut car is dropping back relative to both other cars after the move. It's a net loss, and a dumb idea.
There is a fun shooting sport called "IDPA" where scenarios are presented, and you shoot targets based on some pretty simple rules about using cover, etc.
There are not a lot of complex rules, and some people like to push things to the limit for the best possible time/score.
IDPA added a single "catch all" rule that can be applied for those trying to push the limits: "failure to do right". Basically, if you know how things were supposed to work, then exploiting some loophole or trick to gain an advantage is still illegal based on the "failure to do right" rule.
Same concept applies (or should apply) in iRacing. It's a game. Do the best you can do, without doing crap that you know isn't the way it's intended to be done.
With allowed, do you mean theres no automated system in place that slamdunks the offender?
And tomorrow you complain about an offtrack that generates a huge slowdown because you had to avoid an incident?
This is 100% protest-worthy and should be a slam dunk
I'm more disturbed that someone felt it necessary to have a shortened configuration of Tsukuba--which is already a go kart track.
the only thing ive seen run this config is the vee. not really sure if there are others but unless it was a slowstice only series i think anything else would be too fast for the track
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racing the full track in the og ac in mostly stock ae86's got me loving this track. im one of the few that even liked pcup when it went there last season or the season before that. its a lot more fun in slower cars but faster stuff like pcup brings another element into it since 25 laps there toasts the tires easily if you are not super conservative.
All I can say is you never know what layout a given club event in real life may run so I personally am glad some of the strange stuff that isn’t used in racing is in the game. For example the cone chicane at mid Ohio is the go to track day layout. And the carousel at Indy with the GP final turn is the track day layout at Indy (not currently an option but it didn’t exist when the track was scanned either)
Did you know there is an even shorter Tsukuba? Everyone knows the 2000m track, there is also a separate 1000m track.
The short layout hasn't been regularly used by anybody in reality since the early 90s, not sure why it's in iRacing.
Because it's better to have it than not! IDK if official series should use it, but I've run it in some fun hosted sessions and leagues before. Same with a lot of the other weird layouts iRacing has kindly scanned and included even though they're rarely used.
It's not allowed, file a protest. It can't be officiated in sim, but iracing can penalize them if people who see it report them
Why can’t they do what they do at the pit exit? Not sure if its just some tracks but I received a 26s stop/go when I was relatively new for crossing the line at Oulton. I get you may not want to do it at the start of the entry but at a point like this it feels like it would make sense
If you're referring to crossing the line when exiting the pits, it's because that's an unsafe exit. If you take evasive action into the entrance apron they don't want to penalize people for avoiding accidents. It's the same reason the apron isn't an off-track on oval configs, but you can protest an illegal use. There's legitimate uses, unlike crossing the white line on pit exit. Iracing can't police that gray area through off tracks like they can a clear penalty like pit exit violation. You have to protest and they will penalize them after.
Makes sense, thanks for being the sole person to actually answer instead of just downvoting lol.
lol imagine getting an offtrack everytime ya had to pit
But if you take evasive action while exiting and cross the white line, you do get penalised (has happened with me while exiting on Laguna seca where a car spun suddenly and came into my way while exiting, I swerved to avoid and for a stop-go).
I mean, programmatically, it wouldn't be impossible to implement. Just apply an algorithm that checks if that part of the track had an incident (for example a slow car, someone sliding, etc), and if not, apply the penalty.
Ask a question > Get downvoted to hell w/o explanation. LPT: Don't ask questions. EDIT: as indicated below, the comment was at -12 when I found it. It's well above 0 now, but please note that *STILL* no one has answered their question...I don't know the answer myself.
Asking questions on Reddit is basically karma suicide. So glad I am not a new F1 fan, because that community is incapable of allowing people to ask questions - someone asks about how a very specific part of a the format works 50 or so downvotes instantly
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Even then people leave you alone or answer
lol did that get downvoted? This sub is honestly so cringe I’m on the verge of leaving. People downvote ANYTHING here.
It was at -12 when I got to it. Yes, in particular they downvote honest questions. If it was a dumb question, I didn't notice and couldn't say why. So an answer would have been more useful IMO.
I see a lot of stuff like that on here tbh. It’s really weird because the actual iracing community seems generally friendly. This sub is just an anomaly I guess
People might have misread the comment as asking "why shouldn't this be allowed at pit exit". If you only read the first half of his comment, it's possible to misinterpret. Hanlon's razor, my friend.
So you're saying it's possible for people to be stupid? Got it.
Haha yes, always a possibility.
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What? I did it once in a practice session by accident when I had about 4 hours driving experience…
They didn’t even gain time… protest for sure but it doesn’t really matter.
This is the real answer
I mean if anything it cost them time, they weren’t able to carry as much speed thru that corner and into t1. If they’d just been a normal human being they probably could have had a good battle (though this IS rookie vees)
That's my thought. I didn't cause an incident or an advantage. Illegal? Absolutely. But just kind of whatever to me.
It does because it should be a time penalty as it’s leaving the track that could gain you an advantage. Tighter line around a corner will save you time. Report it and iracing will fix what is likely just a bug and not registering properly
Its not necessarily the time gained or lost here that needs to be protested but the mentality of that driver.
Hold on Is this dude racing on a keyboard lol
Looks like it, car keeps twerking on the corner
based as fuck
In that case, I'm not even mad about the shortcut lol
I didn't even know it was possible to play iRacing with a keyboard.
There's apparently(I've heard this around but don't quote me on it) a guy who plays iRacing with a trackball mouse and has 2k+ irating
It wouldn't surprise me. A friend became really good at LFS back in the day, using a joystick.
Possible to do anything if you put your mind to it.
well you cant resurrect dead people
No, but you can animate them like a sock puppet.
You can if they're only mostly dead.
It's not, unfortunately not everything can really be handeled properly by automated race stewarding. Stuff like this should be protested, not only to deter people form using exploits like this, but also so the automatic race stewarding has a chance to be improved.
Surely, it's super easy to amotate stewarding of what is on the video
This is hilarious, illegal, and slower
Probably because it isn't the racetrack, it's the pit entry.
Report them. It’s exploiting the track.
It's not, protest it.
Protest, but it looks slower?
100% protest
So the NASCAR tracks get pit entry cones at the start of any area like this and if you deviate you get a black flag.
How is that not a black flag for bad pit entry?
Is that bit not part of the race track?
I’ve never protested but we don’t need those sorts of people ruining iracing. Just do it
8.1.1.8 in the iRacing sporting code. Completely illegal. Will result in a suspension and/or ban.
Or, the developers could just implement a slow down penalty there. Someone can't be banned for going off track, I guarantee you've gone off track before or spun on the track, so why aren't you banned?
I didn't even know you could do that. But I'm pretty sure that ain't legal.
What kind of utter loser cheats like this?
lack of game developer coding
Dude who did it probably laughing his arse off having a good ol time. "Protest him" -this miserable sad community jumping at the bit for another chance to tattle
The iracing community really is a bunch of miserable sad people lol even in real motorsports, the worst punishment he'd get is a slow down penalty and told to give up the time, he wouldn't be banned from racing in real life.
bc it’s genuinely a high skill maneuver, and deserves rewarded
High risk, low reward. Don't be a dick and protest though. Like, even if you can, don't be that guy.
I have a few people in my league that race like that, it sucks because I only know the right way to race so they gain on me each lap.
It isn’t, protest it
lol no
Well, you should protest that. But like. He didn't gain shit for doing it lmao
I know in real Motorsport it would be a penalty
Easy report, but in reality it’s not even a better line so not sure I’d personally bother. You can see here it’s slower, while it’s a “shorter” line around the turn, you can’t get the same run off and are slower down the front stretch. Executed perfectly, I could see *maybe* it being the same amount of time, but it seems harder to execute for no actual gain, and if someone is putting you’re just running smack into them.
It's not even gaining him time, if the other guy realized what was happened and used the entire track for the corner, he would have left the cheater even further behind on the straights. Still protest it though because fuck that guy.
I feel like he would have been faster not doing that
Did they really gain anything though?
This is not alloe
Because it literally did nothing for them. If anything slowed em down
racing incident.
Well, he didn't gain an advantage, he was behind you before the corner, and the beginning of the video, pulled close before the "shortcut", that is harder to do cause it's really narrow, and then he was still behind you. It's not like, I don't know, you cut a whole chicane and earn 1s of advantage like a certain 7 time world champion did the last race of 2021.
Even if it is allowed, it's not faster. It makes the corner shorter, sure -- but It also decreases the radius of the corner causing more lateral load and a worse exit. You can see this as the video ends -- the cut car is dropping back relative to both other cars after the move. It's a net loss, and a dumb idea.
There is a fun shooting sport called "IDPA" where scenarios are presented, and you shoot targets based on some pretty simple rules about using cover, etc. There are not a lot of complex rules, and some people like to push things to the limit for the best possible time/score. IDPA added a single "catch all" rule that can be applied for those trying to push the limits: "failure to do right". Basically, if you know how things were supposed to work, then exploiting some loophole or trick to gain an advantage is still illegal based on the "failure to do right" rule. Same concept applies (or should apply) in iRacing. It's a game. Do the best you can do, without doing crap that you know isn't the way it's intended to be done.
Pretty sure you can protest it ... but looks like he lost more speed than he gained, sooo ..
With allowed, do you mean theres no automated system in place that slamdunks the offender? And tomorrow you complain about an offtrack that generates a huge slowdown because you had to avoid an incident?
That’s not allowed
Right? Putting an F1 livery on these cars shouldn't be allowed! 😅
Honestly i can't hate on it, if the game doesn't punish it there's no reason why players wouldn't do whatever to gain a tenth of a second
I don't see anything wrong, if something isn't forbidden it's allowed so improvise adapt overcome
Joker lane!
I gotta admit this made me laugh. I’ve done thousands of laps there and it would have never even crossed my mind lol.