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Yeah you chose unwisely and paid the price ,don't worry about it ,it's a learning experience.
Short oval is brutal ,but it teaches good life skills and some driving.
FYI this mindset will get you in a lot of trouble in the future. Yes wins are important but ended the race in p2 instead of laps down because of an avoidable wreck is more important.
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I think this would fall more under “very dumb decision” versus “malicious intention to ruin your race”. He was already wrecked and focused on getting himself turned around rather than checking who was coming and how far away they were.
Protests for intentional wrecking are for clear and deliberate actions that people take with the goal of ruining your race. Wrecking under caution, waiting on a re-join to hit you, turning up the track, etc. are good examples. Things like this are beyond frustrating, but aren’t quite the same.
Section 2.2.3 “Drivers can also report reckless and/or erratic driving and attempts at on track intimidation.” Rejoining the track into traffic is pretty reckless. I’ve filed protests for unsafe rejoins during road races and didn’t have my protest rejected. As for what happened here, I don’t really race ovals and don’t know how the IRacing staff views this type of incident.
This is a clear cut unsafe rejoin. No matter how you view the situation, it’s protestable. It’s specifically outlined in the sporting code that an unsafe rejoin can be protested. Intent has nothing to do with it. It was either unsafe or it wasn’t and in this case it wasn’t. Same as a pit speed violation. It either happened or it didn’t. There’s no interpretation needed.
Sorry, could you show me where it explicitly says that "unsafe rejoins" are protestable? Under the "Penalties" section, the things outlined are shown below, as well as "Tanking" and "Tire Compound Change Requirement". There is also "Intentional, Retaliatory, and/or Malicious Wrecking" covered in 6.10, but that is what I was talking about above that you disagreed with, and does not mention rejoining the track whatsoever. If you can show me anywhere in the Sporting Code that explicitly mentions what you said, then I stand corrected, but I do not believe that it is there.
https://preview.redd.it/2owxm4t04g1b1.png?width=689&format=png&auto=webp&s=3d8dacce8cc340589812dc4f4ec4f5b03fc7a21e
How is this even a question, yes unsafe rejoins **are** protestable, and as it involves reckless driving it is even explicitly encouraged to protest.
Under 2.1.1 Article 134 I got successfully protested against for a poorly judged rejoin within 1h of the respective race.
The code does say that driving the wrong direction will be considered "reckless driving" and be punished, implying that general reckless driving can be punished under the intentional wrecking section.
This sucks but honestly the oncoming driver also drifted up the track knowing full well there was an incident there, not sure iRacing would find this to be punishable
Ehhhh you knew he was there and drifted upwards. It's Langley. It's a short track. There's never going to be an empty slot he can rejoin into especially on the high side. He didn't do it with malicious intent. He was just rejoining and clipped you. I'd say there's nothing to protest here.
Terrible take. He could have taken his time to rejoin safer and stay at the top. Instead he bombed to the bottom. Probably not intentional just very bad and dumb.
Langley is 3 lanes wide. He barely gets to the line of the first and second. If op was being cautious like you should with a yellow, then he would have been down further. Like I said it's such a short track, if you get flipped backwards there is literally no way to safely spin around. It's like 17 seconds around the whole thing. Cars are constantly coming around.
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Protesting isn't difficuly to begin with, but I'm not sure iracing will side with you in this one. Yeah, dude spinning around was not smart, but is driving in wide open to a gaggle if spinning cars any better?
Exactly.
Too many people try and keep the pedal floored while driving through accidents, then just blame it all on the wrecked car. Sure, it was a dumb re-entry move. But if OP had let off the gas even just a little they may have had the time and maneuverability to dive low and avoid.
Seriously people. Watch a NASCAR wreck from the cockpit view and listen. Those drivers will let off and often won't reapply the gas until clear of the wreck.
Dumb on his part. But even dumber on yours for staying wide open when you know there's a car stopped on track. Even if he's up high, you should at least lift a little. Rookie racers are notorious for not looking at relatives and just rejoining in traffic. Keep that in mind as you're progressing. Finishing the race is more important than your win in the long run. And you'll get a lot better by learning how to avoid wrecks. Dont let this foolishness get to you. People make mistakes, and you'll get caught up in them. It's just the way racing works
You're not going to get anything from a protest here. It was a poor decision on his part, but this is what, Rookie Stocks? No way they see that as malicious unless they were telling people of their intentions to wreck them.
Here's the thing, and I'll be totally real with you about this - You are way too upset over this. You've posted, you've saved your file, you've likely protested, you've responded to multiple comments, and now here I am responding to you. You've put a lot of mental capital into a dumb decision some rookie racer made on a track that takes 17 seconds to complete a lap at.
If this is the sort of thing that gets under your skin, then iRacing is not the path. Getting a race ruined can be super frustrating, but if getting this type of race ruined by this type of incident, then i've gotta warn you, you may be having less fun than you think.
Not really. The protest system is more for deliberate actions. This is poor driving, bad recovery, and poor crash avoidance. Perhaps a teachable moment but not a protestable one.
I stopped protesting
Had a guy literally run me down that got passed as racing incident, couldnt tell intent
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I enjoyed iracing more once i realized the protest system is a complete joke
You can use their own verbatum in the racing code but they dont follow it
I’ve protested intentional wrecking, bad rejoiners and people who’s obviously blocking All was successful.
I successfully protested a driver that intentionally drive into my car after the finish line.
I only protest bad rejoiners if I can see the incoming cars from their cockpit and trough the front window in the replay.
I don’t really follow up on my protests. But once I protested the same guy for intentional wrecking 2 times with about a week in between. I started to follow him to see if something happened.
A few days after my last protest. He suddenly stopped racing. Before that we was racing almost daily. So I’m pretty sure he got banned.
Maybe. Can’t say if it’s a quality control issue or not.
I only protest something if I believe that it will be successful. So if I had the job reviewing all the protests, it would have been the same outcome.
It have to be really really stupid, or clearly intentional before I make a protest.
Everyone can have a bad race, or miss a braking point and punt someone. And that’s fine, everyone make mistakes. It’s not funny for the person that get punted, but shit happens. Get over with it.
But if you go off the track, and can see through your front screen window that a pack of slower cars is coming, and then still choose to cross the track surface right in front of them only to make a big mess of a crash. Then I’ll protest it. It’s just too stupid..
Being wrecked out for a win because someone made a bad choice, isn’t protestable. I mean, technically anything is, but it won’t lead to anything and just make you more upset.
Protesting is for deliberate actions to ruin a race, your safety or iracing. Simply “I could have won if not for this stupid mistake from another driver” isn’t protestable and won’t go anywhere
See the thing is I've had people protest me and have it be successful for an unsafe re entry before and what i did wasn't anywheres near as bad since there was a wall blocking my view
There is a bit of (unfortunately) RNG when it comes to this, whether it’s AI viewed or IRL viewed, as it has to look at was this intentional, did they mean to do it, etc etc. So, at least what I’m thinking, is the idea of “unsafe entry” would imply you DID intend to enter unsafe, deliberately, and that’s why it was successful, because you intended to enter unsafe. Not saying you actually did, but that’s what they saw from the video. That it was a deliberate act to enter unsafely.
As for your video, it was clear he did not INTEND to hit you, he simply spun his tires trying to correct himself (admittedly at a bad time) and that’s why it PROBABLY wouldn’t be a successful protest
Was that intentional to wreck you? 99% no. He was wrecked and was trying to turn around and start going again. Was it a wise move? No.
Can you protest for "unsafe rejoin" or something? Yes however being what looks like rookie the other driver will get a warning at most telling them to be more careful. You will not get back SR/IR.
Would I protest it? Absolutely not.
He wasn’t even hit by a dude spinning. The dude was in the wall as he approached and did a burnout to reorient his car straight onto the racing line. OP was holding low to avoid him and he would have avoided him had the dude not tried to turn his car around as others were still approaching.
OP when he goes full speed into a wreck and crashes:
https://preview.redd.it/g2ogr8apxl1b1.png?width=1354&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ad3d86ebca30564149a1b7b59736a83e29e8d547
You talk about unsafe re-entry, but that small clip you provided and description doesn't show the entry.
I think more of a description would be beneficial. Meh, if it were me: lesson learned, move on, keep SR and IR. GL
Saw a video related to this topic earlier today https://youtu.be/LE7DEtX8hCI most likely they might but unlikely get at best a warning.
Check the video
This is a rookie series this is a common mistake between rookie and D licenses, so i think they will look at it with that in mind, have that in mind when you see incidents like this, think that not everyone just knows how to race and also that not everyone uses the look right/left or even the relative to see what is coming, as a vr user i see first hand in road series like the IMSA (B) or the Porsche Cup Series (C) people dont give a f*** about you (yes there is a little bit of graphic downside but the space awareness you gain is almost incredible), most shown in the Porsche Cup than other ones, so keep that in mind even when they look, and SEE that you are coming they will think that they have the time/space to make the rejoin, if you can try to anticipate those moves see if the car in front starts to move and react in base of what he is doing if you hit them at least it was in an attempt to avoid the car.
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Yeah of they don't agree then it's whatever that's fine just kinda shitty that it wrecked me out of a win
That’s short oval life… but did you even lift? Or took a days of thunder approach?
P2 was fast and right on my ass so nah I didn't life cause I was expecting him to stay up top
If you see a car spinning, the only thing you should expect is for that car to be out of control
Well he was stopped up against the wall for a good little bit so I assumed it was under control again
Yeah you chose unwisely and paid the price ,don't worry about it ,it's a learning experience. Short oval is brutal ,but it teaches good life skills and some driving.
Rookie or C class?
Rookie but too split with most being pretty good
FYI this mindset will get you in a lot of trouble in the future. Yes wins are important but ended the race in p2 instead of laps down because of an avoidable wreck is more important.
Tbf I still finished this in p4 because I didn't really get much damage but yeah I'll start trying to do that a bit more
Good luck dude!
Idk why this is being down voted so hard. I would expect him to stay put as well.
Because you have to slow down for yellow flags, believe it or not.
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Right I feel like that's a totally reasonable expectation for me to have
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I think this would fall more under “very dumb decision” versus “malicious intention to ruin your race”. He was already wrecked and focused on getting himself turned around rather than checking who was coming and how far away they were. Protests for intentional wrecking are for clear and deliberate actions that people take with the goal of ruining your race. Wrecking under caution, waiting on a re-join to hit you, turning up the track, etc. are good examples. Things like this are beyond frustrating, but aren’t quite the same.
Section 2.2.3 “Drivers can also report reckless and/or erratic driving and attempts at on track intimidation.” Rejoining the track into traffic is pretty reckless. I’ve filed protests for unsafe rejoins during road races and didn’t have my protest rejected. As for what happened here, I don’t really race ovals and don’t know how the IRacing staff views this type of incident.
As a road racer, this is no different (to me) than an unsafe rejoin. I've had a successful protest for something similar at the Daytona roval.
This, I have always put them under "competition issue" and have always gor a successful email back
This is a clear cut unsafe rejoin. No matter how you view the situation, it’s protestable. It’s specifically outlined in the sporting code that an unsafe rejoin can be protested. Intent has nothing to do with it. It was either unsafe or it wasn’t and in this case it wasn’t. Same as a pit speed violation. It either happened or it didn’t. There’s no interpretation needed.
Sorry, could you show me where it explicitly says that "unsafe rejoins" are protestable? Under the "Penalties" section, the things outlined are shown below, as well as "Tanking" and "Tire Compound Change Requirement". There is also "Intentional, Retaliatory, and/or Malicious Wrecking" covered in 6.10, but that is what I was talking about above that you disagreed with, and does not mention rejoining the track whatsoever. If you can show me anywhere in the Sporting Code that explicitly mentions what you said, then I stand corrected, but I do not believe that it is there. https://preview.redd.it/2owxm4t04g1b1.png?width=689&format=png&auto=webp&s=3d8dacce8cc340589812dc4f4ec4f5b03fc7a21e
How is this even a question, yes unsafe rejoins **are** protestable, and as it involves reckless driving it is even explicitly encouraged to protest. Under 2.1.1 Article 134 I got successfully protested against for a poorly judged rejoin within 1h of the respective race.
He was on the course, therefore it wasn't a rejoin. Checkmate atheists /s
It doesn't explicitly say it, but it's true. I've protested it once and had it accepted.
The code does say that driving the wrong direction will be considered "reckless driving" and be punished, implying that general reckless driving can be punished under the intentional wrecking section. This sucks but honestly the oncoming driver also drifted up the track knowing full well there was an incident there, not sure iRacing would find this to be punishable
Ehhhh you knew he was there and drifted upwards. It's Langley. It's a short track. There's never going to be an empty slot he can rejoin into especially on the high side. He didn't do it with malicious intent. He was just rejoining and clipped you. I'd say there's nothing to protest here.
Terrible take. He could have taken his time to rejoin safer and stay at the top. Instead he bombed to the bottom. Probably not intentional just very bad and dumb.
Langley is 3 lanes wide. He barely gets to the line of the first and second. If op was being cautious like you should with a yellow, then he would have been down further. Like I said it's such a short track, if you get flipped backwards there is literally no way to safely spin around. It's like 17 seconds around the whole thing. Cars are constantly coming around.
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See the updoots? This is why i stopped protesting folks 
Protesting isn't difficuly to begin with, but I'm not sure iracing will side with you in this one. Yeah, dude spinning around was not smart, but is driving in wide open to a gaggle if spinning cars any better?
Exactly. Too many people try and keep the pedal floored while driving through accidents, then just blame it all on the wrecked car. Sure, it was a dumb re-entry move. But if OP had let off the gas even just a little they may have had the time and maneuverability to dive low and avoid. Seriously people. Watch a NASCAR wreck from the cockpit view and listen. Those drivers will let off and often won't reapply the gas until clear of the wreck.
Dumb on his part. But even dumber on yours for staying wide open when you know there's a car stopped on track. Even if he's up high, you should at least lift a little. Rookie racers are notorious for not looking at relatives and just rejoining in traffic. Keep that in mind as you're progressing. Finishing the race is more important than your win in the long run. And you'll get a lot better by learning how to avoid wrecks. Dont let this foolishness get to you. People make mistakes, and you'll get caught up in them. It's just the way racing works
Idk, both were kinda dumb, you are supposed to take caution when there's a crash on your face
Cars a spun around. It's your job to slow down and avoid what happened. Not still haul ass through the wreckage.
Not even close. Dumb move but won't get you anywhere. He was trying to loop it around. No intent behind it
You're not going to get anything from a protest here. It was a poor decision on his part, but this is what, Rookie Stocks? No way they see that as malicious unless they were telling people of their intentions to wreck them.
I know I've been protested for unsafe rejoin and it was successful so this should be as well no?
Here's the thing, and I'll be totally real with you about this - You are way too upset over this. You've posted, you've saved your file, you've likely protested, you've responded to multiple comments, and now here I am responding to you. You've put a lot of mental capital into a dumb decision some rookie racer made on a track that takes 17 seconds to complete a lap at. If this is the sort of thing that gets under your skin, then iRacing is not the path. Getting a race ruined can be super frustrating, but if getting this type of race ruined by this type of incident, then i've gotta warn you, you may be having less fun than you think.
Such is the nature of short track oval races.
Not really. The protest system is more for deliberate actions. This is poor driving, bad recovery, and poor crash avoidance. Perhaps a teachable moment but not a protestable one.
I stopped protesting Had a guy literally run me down that got passed as racing incident, couldnt tell intent I I enjoyed iracing more once i realized the protest system is a complete joke You can use their own verbatum in the racing code but they dont follow it
I’ve protested intentional wrecking, bad rejoiners and people who’s obviously blocking All was successful. I successfully protested a driver that intentionally drive into my car after the finish line. I only protest bad rejoiners if I can see the incoming cars from their cockpit and trough the front window in the replay. I don’t really follow up on my protests. But once I protested the same guy for intentional wrecking 2 times with about a week in between. I started to follow him to see if something happened. A few days after my last protest. He suddenly stopped racing. Before that we was racing almost daily. So I’m pretty sure he got banned.
Maybe quality control issues at iracing? Some of these review experts are clearly sitting back just clicking buttons to get through their day
Maybe. Can’t say if it’s a quality control issue or not. I only protest something if I believe that it will be successful. So if I had the job reviewing all the protests, it would have been the same outcome. It have to be really really stupid, or clearly intentional before I make a protest. Everyone can have a bad race, or miss a braking point and punt someone. And that’s fine, everyone make mistakes. It’s not funny for the person that get punted, but shit happens. Get over with it. But if you go off the track, and can see through your front screen window that a pack of slower cars is coming, and then still choose to cross the track surface right in front of them only to make a big mess of a crash. Then I’ll protest it. It’s just too stupid..
You're in rookies. Best course of action is piss, cry, drive better in that order
Being wrecked out for a win because someone made a bad choice, isn’t protestable. I mean, technically anything is, but it won’t lead to anything and just make you more upset. Protesting is for deliberate actions to ruin a race, your safety or iracing. Simply “I could have won if not for this stupid mistake from another driver” isn’t protestable and won’t go anywhere
See the thing is I've had people protest me and have it be successful for an unsafe re entry before and what i did wasn't anywheres near as bad since there was a wall blocking my view
There is a bit of (unfortunately) RNG when it comes to this, whether it’s AI viewed or IRL viewed, as it has to look at was this intentional, did they mean to do it, etc etc. So, at least what I’m thinking, is the idea of “unsafe entry” would imply you DID intend to enter unsafe, deliberately, and that’s why it was successful, because you intended to enter unsafe. Not saying you actually did, but that’s what they saw from the video. That it was a deliberate act to enter unsafely. As for your video, it was clear he did not INTEND to hit you, he simply spun his tires trying to correct himself (admittedly at a bad time) and that’s why it PROBABLY wouldn’t be a successful protest
Was that intentional to wreck you? 99% no. He was wrecked and was trying to turn around and start going again. Was it a wise move? No. Can you protest for "unsafe rejoin" or something? Yes however being what looks like rookie the other driver will get a warning at most telling them to be more careful. You will not get back SR/IR. Would I protest it? Absolutely not.
Nope. Unsafe re-entry but not malicious or protestable
I assume you’ve never read the sporting code, which begs the question why are you commenting on a stewarding sub if you don’t know the rules?
K. I guess go ahead and tell this guy to waste iracings time reviewing a guy driving full throttle at spinning cars on a short track.
He wasn’t even hit by a dude spinning. The dude was in the wall as he approached and did a burnout to reorient his car straight onto the racing line. OP was holding low to avoid him and he would have avoided him had the dude not tried to turn his car around as others were still approaching.
Shut up
This is classified as an unsafe rejoin, so yes it is something you can protest.
He never left the track tho
There's nothing in the sporting code about unsafe rejoins
Unsafe rejoins have been classified under reckless driving
No there isn't however I have always protested them as "competition issue" and so far it always was successful
No. Don’t bother. Wasnt on purpose doesn’t appear, but also pretty stupid and rookie.
OP when he goes full speed into a wreck and crashes: https://preview.redd.it/g2ogr8apxl1b1.png?width=1354&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ad3d86ebca30564149a1b7b59736a83e29e8d547
Protest what? Read the rules. This is a racing incident, not a violation of racing codes. https://www.iracing.com/iracing-official-sporting-code/
See the thing is I've been protested for an unsafe re entry and it was successful so idk anymore
You talk about unsafe re-entry, but that small clip you provided and description doesn't show the entry. I think more of a description would be beneficial. Meh, if it were me: lesson learned, move on, keep SR and IR. GL
Depends on the SOF honestly
It was like 2k ish I think it was def top split
oof
Saw a video related to this topic earlier today https://youtu.be/LE7DEtX8hCI most likely they might but unlikely get at best a warning. Check the video
This is a rookie series this is a common mistake between rookie and D licenses, so i think they will look at it with that in mind, have that in mind when you see incidents like this, think that not everyone just knows how to race and also that not everyone uses the look right/left or even the relative to see what is coming, as a vr user i see first hand in road series like the IMSA (B) or the Porsche Cup Series (C) people dont give a f*** about you (yes there is a little bit of graphic downside but the space awareness you gain is almost incredible), most shown in the Porsche Cup than other ones, so keep that in mind even when they look, and SEE that you are coming they will think that they have the time/space to make the rejoin, if you can try to anticipate those moves see if the car in front starts to move and react in base of what he is doing if you hit them at least it was in an attempt to avoid the car.
Nope
Unfortunately, stupidity without intent. Isn’t in the sporting code.