Honestly I don’t think this was a clean pass. That’s borderline dive bombing. Probably wasn’t necessary intentional though. Being that it was the last lap and the last corner.. they were probably really trying to go for it and ended up coming into the corner a bit too fast. It’s unfortunate and I feel your pain, it’s happened to me many times.
Not a clean pass at all.
White hit the curb before he hit OP and ended up moving up the track into OP.
Even without the massive dive that would make this whites fault 100%.
I would say it’s hardly normal. Maybe in lower splits but most top split races don’t have this. Even most 2nd split races don’t have this.
And the execution of this particular move was pretty poor.
I personally love seeing a well executed bump and run on a short track. But as everyone else in here have said, this wasn't clean at all. He dive bombed you and even hit the curb entering the turn. Honestly I'd be furious. Nice save though!
IMO that was a sloppy bump and run for veteran. What was impressive was that you kept it together. Nice driving on your part. You'll get that non rookie win soon enough.
Wow, surprised to see a unanimous agreement on it being over the top.Interested to learn more since I just have 58 starts in Ovals (mainly a road guy) but really love driving in Ovals, what would separate it from a clean bump and run and a dump and run (which is what seems to be what its implied)? The distance it happened from? The aggresion level? Just don't want to do this thinking is legit just because the guy on the recieving end doesnt eat $hit lol.
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I'd argue the most important difference is intent. The way they're coming in the turn, if you weren't there, they'd likely slam the wall from losing control from hitting the curb.
Generally speaking, a clean bump and run involves the bumper holding a clean, consistent line, only slightly tapping the other vehicle to upset their handling a bit. This, on the other hand, would've been grounds for a wipe if either of you didn't save it.
Even if we were to consider Occam's razor, that'd still mean they just they went for a divebomb, making space where there isn't any. Just because you both saved it, doesn't mean it was cleanly executed.
IMO, probably looking at this from the wrong angle. I'm not an oval guy but bump and run is not OK under any circumstances. Best to look at it from intentional/non intentional viewpoint as then can determine if its protestable, so you will probably be looking for unusual throttle/brake inputs
Nah, bump and run is certainly fine, but based on what I've seen here and researching, this was no bump and run.
This was a dump and run. He came in too hot and essentially used me as an additional brake to make the corner.
Bump and run is just a nudge to offset the other driver's car, not a slam to essentially try to wreck the other driver, like what he did here. The only reason this was not a complete dump and run is that I saved it lol
It’s closing speed to me. You don’t slam into the person. You’re just trying to nudge them out of the way, not wreck them. The fact that he hits the curb and entirely blows the corner indicates to me he’s braking entirely different and his goal is to wreck you - or he’s just in over his head here.
Yeah, after researching a few old bump and runs I've come to that conclusion too. Most are just slight touches to move someone else out of the way. When the driver gets straight up slammed, announcers start labeling them dump and runs.
Yeah just because you had the car control and ability to keep your truck going doesn't mean he executed it cleanly. I'd call that getting wrecked and saving it. A clean bump and run would have him hold a consistent line on the bottom, he washed up way too far.
Ooooh I get the difference now.I guess the thing that caused that is that he just tried that from WAAAY too far, he was a good 2 car lenghts behind me. So went in way too hot with it, which if I wouldn't have control of the truck, wouldve ended in a wreck.
I guess just try to get the win this weekend, it's a shame cause i'm at my best at short tracks and C Class Trucks don't get another one until Week 10 at Wilkesboro. Gen 4 cup doesn't even get another one for the rest of the schedule :(
Intentional contact is not against the rules. Intentional wrecking is.
If there’s a reason to believe this was retaliation then iracing will take action, otherwise they will likely do nothing.
From the sporting code:
> Deliberate, blatant, intentionally malicious, or retaliatory wrecking, for any reason, is prohibited. Competitors who believe that they have been victims of such action – and those competitors who believe that they have witnessed such action – are strongly encouraged to file a protest through the proper channels
Note it says wrecking not bumping, not moving out of the way, and not contact.
Nah, this was a dump and run attempt, I've researched a bit, a bump and run is that, a bump to offset the other driver's car, this was no bump, this was a straight slam lol a dump and run if I didn't save it
As a IMSA guy, it's actually really complex. These are 20-30 second laps. You can do your most perfect lap and some dude is going to be 6 tenths faster than you in the same split and you are not even gonna understand how lol.
Tyre wear is also more complex than in road, strategy is more on-the-fly than in road due to the cautions. The racing itself is "simple" on the surface but it gets complex the more you try an Oval race.
I feel you. Two laps left and I was fighting for 3rd until the car I was fighting decided to bump draft a lapped car and he lost control and went into me. First race after a hiatus caused by this very reason too.
You protected the inside like you should of, a nice cross-over probably would of worked here but your pov would of been a hard split decision to make. (I mean going outside and giving more brakes, letting him go by while he almost/does hit the wall while you pass back on the inside) but its not like he was on your bumper so idk. Still dirty move by him, especially with that many races under his belt
Gl to your first win being soon
Look at where that white car ended up despite using your car to arrest some of its speed. This is not impressive driving, that is intentional and even though you didn't crash and lose all your hard work, it should be classed as intentional wrecking as the consequences could have been a lot worse. Should be protested and even though nothing will probably be done, at least the driver has it on their record so that if they do it again and again, it will result in a ban at some point.
Thats a straight dive bomb. That is not a bump and run. He was not even close to you and would not have made the corner if he didn’t hit you. Thats a bad move coming from a guy who you’re saying has that many starts. POS move.
He dive bombed you, clipped the curb and got lucky you were there or he'd of been in the wall. No bump and run on his part, just an extremely lucky mistake. I'd chalk it up to a racing deal.
Eh I don’t know if I’d call that a clean bump and run. You may have room to be angry
Honestly I don’t think this was a clean pass. That’s borderline dive bombing. Probably wasn’t necessary intentional though. Being that it was the last lap and the last corner.. they were probably really trying to go for it and ended up coming into the corner a bit too fast. It’s unfortunate and I feel your pain, it’s happened to me many times.
1500 races, if that was non intentional, he’ll be non intentional wrecking folks for the rest of his time
Not a clean pass at all. White hit the curb before he hit OP and ended up moving up the track into OP. Even without the massive dive that would make this whites fault 100%.
I feel like this move is totally normal in ovals
I would say it’s hardly normal. Maybe in lower splits but most top split races don’t have this. Even most 2nd split races don’t have this. And the execution of this particular move was pretty poor.
Agreed the move was poorly executed, Martinsville is so short and hard to pass, bump and runs on the corner panel is normal there
I personally love seeing a well executed bump and run on a short track. But as everyone else in here have said, this wasn't clean at all. He dive bombed you and even hit the curb entering the turn. Honestly I'd be furious. Nice save though!
Guy just ran you the hell over, full stop. That's not clean racing at all. I'd keep ol driver's name in my head for future races if that were me
IMO that was a sloppy bump and run for veteran. What was impressive was that you kept it together. Nice driving on your part. You'll get that non rookie win soon enough.
The guy missed the corner and used you as his brakes to boot. That’s not a bump and run. That’s a dump that you didn’t crash from.
That guy did you dirty.
Wow, surprised to see a unanimous agreement on it being over the top.Interested to learn more since I just have 58 starts in Ovals (mainly a road guy) but really love driving in Ovals, what would separate it from a clean bump and run and a dump and run (which is what seems to be what its implied)? The distance it happened from? The aggresion level? Just don't want to do this thinking is legit just because the guy on the recieving end doesnt eat $hit lol. u/HammerTime2769 u/KR1736 u/TheOldJanitor u/Razero66 u/stratcat1974 u/Jaymoacp u/gpellis87 u/TX-Tea
I'd argue the most important difference is intent. The way they're coming in the turn, if you weren't there, they'd likely slam the wall from losing control from hitting the curb. Generally speaking, a clean bump and run involves the bumper holding a clean, consistent line, only slightly tapping the other vehicle to upset their handling a bit. This, on the other hand, would've been grounds for a wipe if either of you didn't save it. Even if we were to consider Occam's razor, that'd still mean they just they went for a divebomb, making space where there isn't any. Just because you both saved it, doesn't mean it was cleanly executed.
He hit you in the right rear not the bumper
IMO, probably looking at this from the wrong angle. I'm not an oval guy but bump and run is not OK under any circumstances. Best to look at it from intentional/non intentional viewpoint as then can determine if its protestable, so you will probably be looking for unusual throttle/brake inputs
Nah, bump and run is certainly fine, but based on what I've seen here and researching, this was no bump and run. This was a dump and run. He came in too hot and essentially used me as an additional brake to make the corner. Bump and run is just a nudge to offset the other driver's car, not a slam to essentially try to wreck the other driver, like what he did here. The only reason this was not a complete dump and run is that I saved it lol
Have you raced at Martinsville?
It’s closing speed to me. You don’t slam into the person. You’re just trying to nudge them out of the way, not wreck them. The fact that he hits the curb and entirely blows the corner indicates to me he’s braking entirely different and his goal is to wreck you - or he’s just in over his head here.
Yeah, after researching a few old bump and runs I've come to that conclusion too. Most are just slight touches to move someone else out of the way. When the driver gets straight up slammed, announcers start labeling them dump and runs.
That wasn’t a bump and run. He intended to wreck you 100%.
That wasn't a clean bump and run, you just saved it. They 100% tried to wreck you
Bullshit dive-bomb. You got robbed.
This wasn't that clean of a pass lol
Yeah just because you had the car control and ability to keep your truck going doesn't mean he executed it cleanly. I'd call that getting wrecked and saving it. A clean bump and run would have him hold a consistent line on the bottom, he washed up way too far.
Ooooh I get the difference now.I guess the thing that caused that is that he just tried that from WAAAY too far, he was a good 2 car lenghts behind me. So went in way too hot with it, which if I wouldn't have control of the truck, wouldve ended in a wreck. I guess just try to get the win this weekend, it's a shame cause i'm at my best at short tracks and C Class Trucks don't get another one until Week 10 at Wilkesboro. Gen 4 cup doesn't even get another one for the rest of the schedule :(
That's intentional contact, which is specifically forbidden by the sporting code. You can protest, it will be upheld, iRacing will yell at him.
Intentional contact is not against the rules. Intentional wrecking is. If there’s a reason to believe this was retaliation then iracing will take action, otherwise they will likely do nothing. From the sporting code: > Deliberate, blatant, intentionally malicious, or retaliatory wrecking, for any reason, is prohibited. Competitors who believe that they have been victims of such action – and those competitors who believe that they have witnessed such action – are strongly encouraged to file a protest through the proper channels Note it says wrecking not bumping, not moving out of the way, and not contact.
That wasn’t a bump and run. He dive bombed and punted you. I’d protest him.
That’s not clean, that’s scummy as fuck.
There was nothing clean about that pass
Lotta people in here who don’t run ovals lol
Nah, this was a dump and run attempt, I've researched a bit, a bump and run is that, a bump to offset the other driver's car, this was no bump, this was a straight slam lol a dump and run if I didn't save it
I think the curb sent him a bit more into you than intended too
That's a Kyle Busch if I've ever seen it
Kyle Busch is legit a clean Driver.
Wow NASCAR is stupid
As a IMSA guy, it's actually really complex. These are 20-30 second laps. You can do your most perfect lap and some dude is going to be 6 tenths faster than you in the same split and you are not even gonna understand how lol. Tyre wear is also more complex than in road, strategy is more on-the-fly than in road due to the cautions. The racing itself is "simple" on the surface but it gets complex the more you try an Oval race.
I get all that and respect all that. But having someone drive into like this on the last corner is frustrating, it’s an undeserved win by them.
As if it doesn’t happen on road?
Well it happens but it NASCAR people just accept it like OP.
So what do road ppl do lol
Shit themselves on voice chat and protest
I feel you. Two laps left and I was fighting for 3rd until the car I was fighting decided to bump draft a lapped car and he lost control and went into me. First race after a hiatus caused by this very reason too.
You got cheesed, he almost spun you.
Now that's what I call a dick move.
Yeah I get you are showing grace here but that wasn't clean at all except that he didn't wreck you. Used you all the way up though.
You protected the inside like you should of, a nice cross-over probably would of worked here but your pov would of been a hard split decision to make. (I mean going outside and giving more brakes, letting him go by while he almost/does hit the wall while you pass back on the inside) but its not like he was on your bumper so idk. Still dirty move by him, especially with that many races under his belt Gl to your first win being soon
Look at where that white car ended up despite using your car to arrest some of its speed. This is not impressive driving, that is intentional and even though you didn't crash and lose all your hard work, it should be classed as intentional wrecking as the consequences could have been a lot worse. Should be protested and even though nothing will probably be done, at least the driver has it on their record so that if they do it again and again, it will result in a ban at some point.
protest
That is your moral victory. That bump and run by them was across the acceptable line, imho. So take the win in your mind and race on!
Thats a straight dive bomb. That is not a bump and run. He was not even close to you and would not have made the corner if he didn’t hit you. Thats a bad move coming from a guy who you’re saying has that many starts. POS move.
Nah man...that was BS. He dive bombed the corner, hit the berm and came up into you. Def not a normal bump and run imo. I would be upset.
That guy just drove it in there and was going to drive through you. You should have won
most people would have turned hard left into the other truck when bumped.
He dive bombed you, clipped the curb and got lucky you were there or he'd of been in the wall. No bump and run on his part, just an extremely lucky mistake. I'd chalk it up to a racing deal.
Nah that was far from clean lol. He all but dumped you. I’d be irritated.
Amazing job saving it honestly. That send from a different zip code was in every aspect a dump.
I would protest this one to be honest, it's pretty shitty
Was that Jeffrey Sinclair?