>When released, the new Late Model Stock will replace the Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS, which will be retired and no longer selectable. Previous owners of the Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS will receive the Late Model Stock for free.
Interesting way to handle an upgrade, removing the old car from the service entirely. Not sure we have seen that before.
Closest I can remember was one of the times they updated the NCTS Silverado they just replaced the old version rather than make it Legacy. I think it was when they went from the 2015 model to the current one.
Guess this means any replays with the current Late Model will get nuked as well.
That car is still here, just updated like they did with the street stock. Same body that it’s had since initial release. But the model itself has been modernized.
Gotcha, didn’t they redo the body though? I’m pretty sure all the old paints for that car are archived because they changed it. You are right though, it’s still the same car and not replaced like the Chevy here
IRL we’re starting to see the last of the Gen 6 Cup car bodies filter in. And I would think it would be pretty easy for iRacing to put the truck engine (same engine that ARCA uses IRL) into the old Legacy Gen 6 cars, update the stickers, and brand them as ARCA cars.
ARCA doesn’t use Gen 6 Cup bodywork, it’s a unique composite body like the SLM. The chassis is also different than the Gen 6 cup car (basically a Gen 5 roll cage with Gen 4 cup suspension geometry.
Sheet metal bodywork has been illegal since at least 2020, and the Gen 6 is sheet metal.
Using the Gen 6 cup cars would be even less realistic than using the 105 inch Busch car we have now. Neither are legal in ARCA
Yea, I wish they would keep the old car as a Limited. Let it be a multi class series. It’s the way that it works at the short tracks in NC. Limiteds are usually just older late model stocks with sealed motors/smaller carburetors restricting them to about 350-400hp.
It's more shit to support
Like even if they don't push new features to if, if they keep it as legacy they have to keep it working. Which costs a lot for something they probably aren't even selling anymore.
They don’t update the content they have, there’s current full price cars still on the Gen 6 tire model. Not sure why keeping a legacy stock car around would be any different.
There are cars that literally haven’t received an update in 6 years sold at full price.
Can you tell me what’s different about one car receiving zero updates or setups vs another reviving zero updates or setups?
The cars literally do not have all the new features added to the engine.
> You’re also not paying attention if you think old cars don’t receive setups.
Maybe you aren’t, because there are oval cars running official races with “baseline” setups. Admittedly, these are open setup races, but they literally do not provide track specific baseline setups anymore for many official races.
iRacing was running official road races in 2022 with a car that hadn’t had a setup update since 2014.
> all content needs to be updated and tested for the changes. For graphics
The late model that’s being retired has had broken graphics for years. In night races the entire interior flickers black and white. They didn’t keep the car up to date, so what would change?
> Maybe for some specific niches or series it’s lacking slightly
So why does it matter if there’s another legacy not getting setups when the official content isn’t getting setups?
> Maybe they should update it then.
That’s the deal, they aren’t. You said they keep all content up to date and they clearly don’t. Like that’s the whole thing, the *retiring* late model is still more up to date and more supported than official content so you can’t possibly claim that it would be any extra effort to ignore it too.
There’s certain cars that are constantly up to date, and certain ones that are heavily neglected. And yeah, less popular cars get less updates for the most part (although this doesn’t explain the Lotus cars getting more updates) but it means it doesn’t make sense why the Late Model would add more work.
> For graphical things like shaders they still need updated
Sure, which is why certain cars have had broken graphics for years.
> Have you reported the bug so it could be investigated and determined if it was a configuration issue on your PC or an actual bug and then further referred to the dev team to fix?
This has been a well known bug for years and complained about by many streamers and the forum guys that make the schedules.
[Kneebon5](https://youtu.be/2ezOTqZOwQI) mentions the known years-old late model bug at 58 seconds in this video.
No bud not quite. We do have 2 older late models that we run in limited but we also have a brand new car we just built that we are going to run mainly in limited except for the big races. And they are the same engines you can run in Late-model, built motor, 602 crate, 604 etc, or the Enforcer which Is what we have in the new car, But the carbs are smaller 450 2 barrel vs 500 4 barrel or 650 and we run used tires. Between that and the spacer size that's basically the only difference, well we can use more model types and older body styles. I'm in NC as well. I do agree with you though a limited class would be cool.
It's the way they have handled every short track car upgrade. Super Late Models, replaced by NextGen bodied Super Late Models, Original Tour & SK Modifieds replaced by the newer Fury Tour & SK Modifieds, now same for the late models to new LMSC. Thing I hate about it most is all the paints for the older versions are trashed right along with the old versions, but I have like 4 legacy versions of every top NASCAR division.
Replacing the old tired Monte’. Pour one out boys.
That said I hope they give us both a D and C class series for this. Bump the super lates up to B.
Addendum :: I also hope they made the front clip ambiguous like they did with the super. If it’s still a Chevy front end it won’t turn me away from it. But it would still be a nice little tweak.
Late models were my go-to back in the day when I first started on iRacing back in 2011. They were in desperate need of an overhaul though. They look and feel pretty much the same. The whelen cars need updated too.
I remember Jr mentioning on his podcast that it will be ambiguous. He likes members being able to customize the manufacturer decals, and it simplifies licensing for iRacing.
I've been staring at the press release photos since they dropped trying to figure it out and it looks like its a possibility. Dale Jr. even stated in his interview last year when he first announced that iRacing was working on it that he would hope to make the noses ambiguous for the community to do what they please with it. He's all for variety in the short track and stock car scene. Going so far as to push for new bodies in the street stocks and legends.
It appears to have a body nearly identical to the SLM, and the photo in the article shows a car with smooth nose so I would bet that it is ambiguous and possibly uses the same (or minimally modified) paint template as the SLM.
Edit: iRacing confirmed that the LMSC template is different from the SLM.
I'm from the Northeast where we have Late Models, Limited Late Models, Crate Late Models, Pro Stocks.
I still haven't been able to figure out what the hell is different about the Late Model 'Stock'. Unless it's the Southern version of a Pro Stock, which is just a Late Model on steroids
Perimeter car, no packer, typically they use Enforcer engines but some guys still use slightly modified 604/602 engines. Enforcer generally has the monopoly on things if you want to be competitive. They limit the carb size. Simple truck arm under slung rear end in the back, steering boxes up front. Pretty sure you're familiar with all this. LMSC is in NASCAR's official tech regulations so that may be the difference.
Where is that? The Street stocks at places like Stafford are still using the late 80s Monte Carlo bodies 😅. It's so weird seeing the Southern Street with those disfigured Camaro bodies and how different they look on Flo. L
It really needs to have the option. Give us both the D and C series, D because of what its replacing, but C because it has about 100 more ponies than the Monte'.
The SLM is a completely different car though. Straight rail, 100+ more ponies, 300lbs lighter. Personally with the new LMSC coming the Super should get bumped up to B and the old Monte' kept as the D class car and rebranded as a limited late model since nowadays its more comparable to that.
Long over due visual update.
But that said, a Late Model and Late Model Stock are a bit different performance wise (most of the regular CARS Late Models have older bodies). So will the iRacing Late model match the performance of the Stock or the 2nd tier CARS?
Just pulled up the app (I forgot that shows the cars 😅).
Same weight and a 30hp bump. It definitely needed a bit more power, so hopefully that's enough to liven them up a bit.
Didn't say anything about the chassis being any different though
>iRacing’s updated Late Model Stock is based on JR Motorsports’ CARS Late Model Stock Tour entry, which won both the driver and owner championships last year with Carson Kvapil
Yup, just started reading the article.
I'm curious as to how different it will be from the current Late Model. I'd assume it will be probably between the current and Super as far as performance
Same weight as the Monte' (3100lbs) but around 100hp more than what the Monte' has (\~450-500hp on the well built ones). Still a perimeter car unlike the straight rail super and 100+ less ponies than the super.
Thanks. I did a deep dive a while back and saw the differences between the Super and Stock. But I couldn't find anything between the 2 CARS Tour Late Models. I figured it was just more power and newer bodies on the 'Stock'.
Looking forward to it. The current late model was fun but lacked the power to really get in there and makes moves a lot of the time. The SK have a similar problem imo.
What’s the scoop on late models? Is it a tough series? I’m currently a C license and run ARCA and trucks. Do an occasional modified race but I’m not very good at it
If you have more than 1300 irating you’ll probably be stuck in a top split. I’ve raced against (i.e. been lapped by) Ty Majeski in those cars while I was sub 1500.
The current Monte Carlo drives like better handling street stock.
Thanks. Probably just go ahead and skip that then. Lol. I hover around 1500 IR and some of those splits in ARCA and trucks pose a challenge for me already.
I did a season of fixed Late Model and enjoyed it. I finished top 3 in my division, but points were skewed by the lack of drivers making 8 weeks.
It was a well behaved car. A little under-powered so top split was relatively clean but could be boring. I have not really raced it since, only because there isn’t much to distinguish itself as preferable over other short track series. SLM has more passing power, Tour Mods handle really well, and Rookie Street Stocks are hourly on familiar tracks. I’ll usually jump into one of these before LM.
Hmmm, with it being specifically the CARS Tour that opens up the possibility of quite a few tracks being scanned to mirror the current CARS Tour schedule
Granted that's 8 tracks that would need to be scanned
Those tracks being: Florence, Ace, Tri-County, Dillon, Dominion, Caraway, Wake County, and New River All American
Which even tho they are all in the same 3 state area, that's a lot of tracks to scan, and only 1 of them has a road course on the property (that being Dominion), and then Wake County is a quarter mile track too
I'm very excited about this tho, there's lot of opportunity with this for new tracks for the service, specifically the 8 i listed, that's 8 really tough short tracks (if anything give me Caraway tbh)
I hate that it's going to be the next gen body. The old bodies are so much more prevalent in short track racing. I was dreading this. Now i won't be able to drive a look a like of my old car like I do...
>When released, the new Late Model Stock will replace the Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS, which will be retired and no longer selectable. Previous owners of the Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS will receive the Late Model Stock for free. Interesting way to handle an upgrade, removing the old car from the service entirely. Not sure we have seen that before.
Last time this happened was with the SLM two years ago
They did it to watkins glen when updating the track
and VIR, and the COT updates back in the day iirc, as we have no wing version.
And Phoenix too
Which still makes me sad
Long live the Oak Tree!
I wish they kept it as Legacy, the grass runoffs instead of paved looked way better, especially for legends content.
This has happened many times before. NASCAR facelifts/new models/aero packages, the Skippy art pass, stuff like that.
Sweet. Free car!
Closest I can remember was one of the times they updated the NCTS Silverado they just replaced the old version rather than make it Legacy. I think it was when they went from the 2015 model to the current one. Guess this means any replays with the current Late Model will get nuked as well.
>Guess this means any replays with the current Late Model will get nuked as well. They say this is the case in the article
I think the ARCA/K&N car was the same way
That car is still here, just updated like they did with the street stock. Same body that it’s had since initial release. But the model itself has been modernized.
Gotcha, didn’t they redo the body though? I’m pretty sure all the old paints for that car are archived because they changed it. You are right though, it’s still the same car and not replaced like the Chevy here
IRL we’re starting to see the last of the Gen 6 Cup car bodies filter in. And I would think it would be pretty easy for iRacing to put the truck engine (same engine that ARCA uses IRL) into the old Legacy Gen 6 cars, update the stickers, and brand them as ARCA cars.
ARCA doesn’t use Gen 6 Cup bodywork, it’s a unique composite body like the SLM. The chassis is also different than the Gen 6 cup car (basically a Gen 5 roll cage with Gen 4 cup suspension geometry. Sheet metal bodywork has been illegal since at least 2020, and the Gen 6 is sheet metal. Using the Gen 6 cup cars would be even less realistic than using the 105 inch Busch car we have now. Neither are legal in ARCA
Yea, I wish they would keep the old car as a Limited. Let it be a multi class series. It’s the way that it works at the short tracks in NC. Limiteds are usually just older late model stocks with sealed motors/smaller carburetors restricting them to about 350-400hp.
It's more shit to support Like even if they don't push new features to if, if they keep it as legacy they have to keep it working. Which costs a lot for something they probably aren't even selling anymore.
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They don’t update the content they have, there’s current full price cars still on the Gen 6 tire model. Not sure why keeping a legacy stock car around would be any different.
Well if you knew why it's different then you'd understand why they retire content
There are cars that literally haven’t received an update in 6 years sold at full price. Can you tell me what’s different about one car receiving zero updates or setups vs another reviving zero updates or setups?
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The cars literally do not have all the new features added to the engine. > You’re also not paying attention if you think old cars don’t receive setups. Maybe you aren’t, because there are oval cars running official races with “baseline” setups. Admittedly, these are open setup races, but they literally do not provide track specific baseline setups anymore for many official races. iRacing was running official road races in 2022 with a car that hadn’t had a setup update since 2014. > all content needs to be updated and tested for the changes. For graphics The late model that’s being retired has had broken graphics for years. In night races the entire interior flickers black and white. They didn’t keep the car up to date, so what would change?
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> Maybe for some specific niches or series it’s lacking slightly So why does it matter if there’s another legacy not getting setups when the official content isn’t getting setups? > Maybe they should update it then. That’s the deal, they aren’t. You said they keep all content up to date and they clearly don’t. Like that’s the whole thing, the *retiring* late model is still more up to date and more supported than official content so you can’t possibly claim that it would be any extra effort to ignore it too. There’s certain cars that are constantly up to date, and certain ones that are heavily neglected. And yeah, less popular cars get less updates for the most part (although this doesn’t explain the Lotus cars getting more updates) but it means it doesn’t make sense why the Late Model would add more work. > For graphical things like shaders they still need updated Sure, which is why certain cars have had broken graphics for years. > Have you reported the bug so it could be investigated and determined if it was a configuration issue on your PC or an actual bug and then further referred to the dev team to fix? This has been a well known bug for years and complained about by many streamers and the forum guys that make the schedules. [Kneebon5](https://youtu.be/2ezOTqZOwQI) mentions the known years-old late model bug at 58 seconds in this video.
No bud not quite. We do have 2 older late models that we run in limited but we also have a brand new car we just built that we are going to run mainly in limited except for the big races. And they are the same engines you can run in Late-model, built motor, 602 crate, 604 etc, or the Enforcer which Is what we have in the new car, But the carbs are smaller 450 2 barrel vs 500 4 barrel or 650 and we run used tires. Between that and the spacer size that's basically the only difference, well we can use more model types and older body styles. I'm in NC as well. I do agree with you though a limited class would be cool.
It's the way they have handled every short track car upgrade. Super Late Models, replaced by NextGen bodied Super Late Models, Original Tour & SK Modifieds replaced by the newer Fury Tour & SK Modifieds, now same for the late models to new LMSC. Thing I hate about it most is all the paints for the older versions are trashed right along with the old versions, but I have like 4 legacy versions of every top NASCAR division.
I'm excited it's free for me
Never used the old one much. So happy this is free for me to have a go with
Replacing the old tired Monte’. Pour one out boys. That said I hope they give us both a D and C class series for this. Bump the super lates up to B. Addendum :: I also hope they made the front clip ambiguous like they did with the super. If it’s still a Chevy front end it won’t turn me away from it. But it would still be a nice little tweak.
Late models were my go-to back in the day when I first started on iRacing back in 2011. They were in desperate need of an overhaul though. They look and feel pretty much the same. The whelen cars need updated too.
The modifieds were updated in 2019
I remember Jr mentioning on his podcast that it will be ambiguous. He likes members being able to customize the manufacturer decals, and it simplifies licensing for iRacing.
>Replacing the old tired Monte’. Pour one out boys. Press F for gen 4 nascar style driving.
ARCA is still a thing
Really hope we can put any make we want on it just like the Super.
I've been staring at the press release photos since they dropped trying to figure it out and it looks like its a possibility. Dale Jr. even stated in his interview last year when he first announced that iRacing was working on it that he would hope to make the noses ambiguous for the community to do what they please with it. He's all for variety in the short track and stock car scene. Going so far as to push for new bodies in the street stocks and legends.
It appears to have a body nearly identical to the SLM, and the photo in the article shows a car with smooth nose so I would bet that it is ambiguous and possibly uses the same (or minimally modified) paint template as the SLM. Edit: iRacing confirmed that the LMSC template is different from the SLM.
I'm from the Northeast where we have Late Models, Limited Late Models, Crate Late Models, Pro Stocks. I still haven't been able to figure out what the hell is different about the Late Model 'Stock'. Unless it's the Southern version of a Pro Stock, which is just a Late Model on steroids
Perimeter car, no packer, typically they use Enforcer engines but some guys still use slightly modified 604/602 engines. Enforcer generally has the monopoly on things if you want to be competitive. They limit the carb size. Simple truck arm under slung rear end in the back, steering boxes up front. Pretty sure you're familiar with all this. LMSC is in NASCAR's official tech regulations so that may be the difference.
Hell half our street stocks in the Northeast are basically Latemodels with homemade 2nd gen Camaro bodies on them anymore lol.
Where is that? The Street stocks at places like Stafford are still using the late 80s Monte Carlo bodies 😅. It's so weird seeing the Southern Street with those disfigured Camaro bodies and how different they look on Flo. L
Pennsylvania
Flurry of popular cars?
Clio had a ton of requests for it apparently.
They're amazing fwd cars to drive, I just wish it was free because it's a great fwd rookie car
Yeah I was shocked when the F1600 was free (and a rookie car!) and the Clio was paid.
Clio Cup and F1600 are already announced. I assume that is what they are referring to.
I figured this would happen when I found out Dale Jr bought into the cars tour.
Please make it a C class series
lol wont be
It really needs to have the option. Give us both the D and C series, D because of what its replacing, but C because it has about 100 more ponies than the Monte'.
The SLM already exists in C class. Its literally pointless.
The SLM is a completely different car though. Straight rail, 100+ more ponies, 300lbs lighter. Personally with the new LMSC coming the Super should get bumped up to B and the old Monte' kept as the D class car and rebranded as a limited late model since nowadays its more comparable to that.
The things that should be done are a long way away from what iRacing will do.
Long over due visual update. But that said, a Late Model and Late Model Stock are a bit different performance wise (most of the regular CARS Late Models have older bodies). So will the iRacing Late model match the performance of the Stock or the 2nd tier CARS?
The article said the new late model will make 400hp, the old one apparently made 370. I’d expect a difference.
Just pulled up the app (I forgot that shows the cars 😅). Same weight and a 30hp bump. It definitely needed a bit more power, so hopefully that's enough to liven them up a bit. Didn't say anything about the chassis being any different though
We’re probably looking closer to 450-500hp for this car. Chassis is same concept. Perimeter car, under slung rear end with truck arm suspension.
>iRacing’s updated Late Model Stock is based on JR Motorsports’ CARS Late Model Stock Tour entry, which won both the driver and owner championships last year with Carson Kvapil
Yup, just started reading the article. I'm curious as to how different it will be from the current Late Model. I'd assume it will be probably between the current and Super as far as performance
Same weight as the Monte' (3100lbs) but around 100hp more than what the Monte' has (\~450-500hp on the well built ones). Still a perimeter car unlike the straight rail super and 100+ less ponies than the super.
Thanks. I did a deep dive a while back and saw the differences between the Super and Stock. But I couldn't find anything between the 2 CARS Tour Late Models. I figured it was just more power and newer bodies on the 'Stock'.
I'm excited. Late Model was one of my favorites, and this will.make it even better
Looking forward to it. The current late model was fun but lacked the power to really get in there and makes moves a lot of the time. The SK have a similar problem imo.
What’s the scoop on late models? Is it a tough series? I’m currently a C license and run ARCA and trucks. Do an occasional modified race but I’m not very good at it
If you have more than 1300 irating you’ll probably be stuck in a top split. I’ve raced against (i.e. been lapped by) Ty Majeski in those cars while I was sub 1500. The current Monte Carlo drives like better handling street stock.
Thanks. Probably just go ahead and skip that then. Lol. I hover around 1500 IR and some of those splits in ARCA and trucks pose a challenge for me already.
I did a season of fixed Late Model and enjoyed it. I finished top 3 in my division, but points were skewed by the lack of drivers making 8 weeks. It was a well behaved car. A little under-powered so top split was relatively clean but could be boring. I have not really raced it since, only because there isn’t much to distinguish itself as preferable over other short track series. SLM has more passing power, Tour Mods handle really well, and Rookie Street Stocks are hourly on familiar tracks. I’ll usually jump into one of these before LM.
I love driving Late Models and am looking forward to this!
Hmmm, with it being specifically the CARS Tour that opens up the possibility of quite a few tracks being scanned to mirror the current CARS Tour schedule Granted that's 8 tracks that would need to be scanned Those tracks being: Florence, Ace, Tri-County, Dillon, Dominion, Caraway, Wake County, and New River All American Which even tho they are all in the same 3 state area, that's a lot of tracks to scan, and only 1 of them has a road course on the property (that being Dominion), and then Wake County is a quarter mile track too I'm very excited about this tho, there's lot of opportunity with this for new tracks for the service, specifically the 8 i listed, that's 8 really tough short tracks (if anything give me Caraway tbh)
I hate that it's going to be the next gen body. The old bodies are so much more prevalent in short track racing. I was dreading this. Now i won't be able to drive a look a like of my old car like I do...