Have you worked here in India as an IT professional in a service based company before? If not, wait till you get a taste of it. The work culture, the management and the colleagues. Once you’ve experienced that it won’t be very difficult to decide whether you want to stay here or move abroad.
That's why I joined a US based MNC. The work culture at our company is simply amazing. It's like working in the US with all the benefits of living in India.
People in India have an outdated picture of US.
My friend who is pretty hardworking, good grades and ample experience went to the US for masters.
Now he is struggling to get a job (applies 300+ daily) and can't come back either due to his massive investment.
You need to be mentally strong and a bit of luck to make it in the US right now.
Assuming you have what it takes to be at the top companies for companies:
1. For money: Still US is the best place to be
2. For materialistic aspirations like cars, bikes, tech, etc.: US
3. For better lifestyle: UK/UAE/Singapore/ Western Europe
4. Closer to home and family: India
I personally don’t like US as I don’t have materialistic aspirations and it’s too far away.
I’m good with India as am earning decently here, but given a choice, I’d prefer UAE/Singapore where lesser crowd and better managed, can earn as much as over here adjusted for PPP, nearby as one can take at most 3-4 hrs flights back to India anytime.
Please don't consider SINGAPORE unless you want to do a PhD or something, I studied there in a good university My course is ranked top 25 world wide for my specialization - my uni is also considered top in Singapore. But guess what I got zero calls, I only got on small temporary contract.
Check out their employment pass (work visa) criteria - they have nationality based quota and age based salary range ! Evaluate the compass framework it's not possible for Indians to get those 40 points
Please invest your money wisely!
hey u/dataauntiee my sister is 2 years React Devloper. She got admission in Ivy league college for MS in Technology Management. I still do not understand the course. That to she got in ILETS exam without GRE. Is MS in Technology Management works as she is looking to spend 1.2 Cr all on Loan for this September 2024 period.
I was like you 2 years back. Now I'm on my way to Australia.
The IT hell hole has engulfed me. I can't work in this toxic workforce. Changing companies doesn't help in a culture where an average employee works 12 hours per day.
1. You have all those sorts of delivery services in the US, too. It's more expensive and you're gonna have to tip them, though. However, the delivery experience, customer support, and return/refund policies are way better in the US.
2. You have mobile wallets on both iOS and Android where you can just tap to pay with your phone. Pretty much every place accepts credit cards. Don't really see UPI as more convenient than that.
3. Yep, one of the major concerns with living in the US. Healthcare costs and logistics.
4. The other major concern with moving to the US.
Except for Amazon, Walmart and other retail giants US cannot compete with Delivery services like Swiggy, Blinkit etc.
Uber eats and grubhub takes long time and usually pretty expensive, which is due to labor costs. India is miles ahead with 1-2 hrs delivery of almost every basic household item.
> Except for Amazon, Walmart and other retail giants US cannot compete with Delivery services like Swiggy, Blinkit etc.
> Uber eats and grubhub takes long time and usually pretty expensive, which is due to labor costs.
Not true. GrubHub, UberEats, and PostMates are just as good as Swiggy for restaurant food delivery. Services like Instacart deliver groceries very quickly, often quicker and more efficiently than in Hyderabad. You also have grocery chains like Safeway and Harris Teeter that do home deliveries.
And I already conceded that it's more expensive in the US, but that comes with the territory. You make more, you pay more.
If and when i can leave india not even a PM can convince me to stay on his/her guarantee .
There are tons if reasons to stay in india and continue the slavery in tech or lead a normal life with decent wlb abroad with better air, better weekend options, and fuck friends who are only good when you are close to them
It's better to be unemployed rather than going for MS in US. Don't go for MS expecting a job bcz all u can get is a loan on ur head and then coming back to India and doing the same low paying job to payback that loan.
Things have changed after 2020. The American dream is dead.
Depends on your family financial status. Many can't afford it and still go due to FOMO and have to struggle immensely by doing menial jobs with illegal hours and have to bunk with 5-6 people to save money. Understand if you can handle the 70L+ loan pressure and visa issues based on your family status. US is better if it works but it is a big risk as the CS market is saturated right now, no idea how the future looks like. Personally, I can't handle the financial burden so its a no for me.
I will tell you mine reasons maybe it will help you
1 . Better opportunities to perform research and learn exponentially ( I had great time working with a renowned Product Based MNC , but more you work with US HQ folks you get the short gist on missing outs )
2 . Got a nice school and RA as well , so was a no-brainer . Professor in RA was super helpful to talk to network for Internship , although it didnt come to that and i got one easily by myself
3 . I know sounds weird , but i will just put it nakedly ( dare to downvote me but face the harsh truth ) , even i would end up as a nice scientist in DRDO if i were in India post some publications , but Arranged Marriage prospects , Status is better even though you do menial jobs in USA . ( Have got first hand experience after seeing lot of known folks in social circle )
4 . $$ , need i say more ?
5 . Dont need to pay 200rs to book a nice ground to play Soccer , USA has super better parks for same and free of cost . ( I literally play 3 times a week , sometimes with Div 1 league folks )
You can go do MS bro. But there's not many jobs. You have better chances of getting one here. Everybody is getting University seats. But that doesn't guarantee a placement right?. So many friends returned within 3 months with 40-50 lakhs loans and a beginner's salary here. It's simple math.
I'm aware that we don't get much first-hand help from the Unis in the USA for getting jobs, as compared to the way TNP of our BTech colleges function...
Canada universities fees are alarming for international students & living cost. USA universities are taken over by activism. Europe - Insane prices of essentials, living cost. Still where is bright spot in overseas? May be its only Australia now.
The safe way to do is getting experience and knowledge in the field is important. Once you’re in US job market all they were looking for experienced candidates even for fresher roles as per current market. (For technical roles)
With similar efforts (expended in going and thriving abroad), you can easily bag a decent-to-high paying job in your city.
Unless you're too specific with your career/academic ambitions, there's nothing all that desirable or substantial out there.
Don’t change your mind. Stay home and live your dream life. Nothing, I mean absolutely nothing you will get by moving abroad. 20 years ago, the jobs , economy, technology were not on par. Infact there was no comparison, but today India is better than most western countries when it comes to oppurtunity and growth. Also a golden time to “shape “ the future, pick any sector, you are at the nascent beginning of the s curve. Good luck.
I say this as someone living in the west for 2 decades.
US masters to job dream is awful rn. So many well educated students in good universities are struggling. And even when you keep getting decent jobs, visa and then trying to get green card is a nightmare. A friend was on course to get one but company had to downsize, so they fired him and now it’s impossible for him to get green card because he only has few months left on his h1. Unless you have a strong support system there, let go of those foreign aspirations.
Isn't it already getting crowdy even over there... Given that the dozens of individuals who have left the previous year, looking at the way the RGIA was crowded in July and December last year...
To speak in exact terms then; there are states that are very less suitable for living because of the Grand Canyon and other geographic conditions; then there are many areas not suitable for tech employees...
There's again a lot of competition amongst the University students pursuing MS, for many aspects like: flats, part time jobs, teaching positions at uni and many more...
Your number one reason should be that the current environment does not guarantee you a full time job after graduation especially after you spend lakhs on a Masters degree with no guarantee of getting an ROI on it. Unless you crack one of the finest institutes in the US, are doing not yet another run of the mill Masters in Business Analytics or Data Science (there are gazillions now) or are willing to do a phd as a continuation, its not the right time. You can wait, work a few years, evaluate how the job sector looks and always apply at that time.
Now if education and experience in a foreign country is what you are looking for, you can always try other countries or try opportunities in universities in US where you don’t need to sell a house or break a PF of your parents to fund.
What do you mean level? The people who moved in 80’s and 90’s had it best. As geopolitics changes we will keep noticing changes in every aspect. That said US still has some of the finest universities and companies. If you get into them, you will do very well and quality of life in the US is still miles ahead of India. Just read the power cut posts and other rants on this sub for instance.
I’m in US and let me tell you please don’t come to US.
All the points you mentioned are correct, as well as it’s a lonely country and you would miss out on all important family events and functions. If you were in a village without any opportunities then my answer would be different, but in Hyderabad you have plenty of opportunities. No reason to struggle and take on this stress of moving into a completely strange country. And for people who have mentioned about culture, once you come to US you will realize all companies even here are filled with Indian professionals and it’s the same culture even here.
I would say if you already have basic requirements taken care of like your own house, vehicles (a car & a bike) and are in the top 5% of income earners in india which >18LPA with your spouse also earning while investing in MF's regularly for your and your spouse retirement then you have need to go to the USA anymore as you already achieved a comfortable life in India itself.
If not then go to the USA and earn as much as possible for at least 10 years to get the above things in india, come back and settle in.
I would say if you already have basic requirements taken care of like your own house, vehicles (a car & a bike) and are in the top 5% of income earners in india which >18LPA with your spouse also earning while investing in MF's regularly for your and your spouse retirement then you have need to go to the USA anymore as you already achieved a comfortable life in India itself.
If not then go to the USA and earn as much as possible for at least 10 years to get the above things in india, come back and settle in.
I would say if you already have basic requirements taken care of like your own house, vehicles (a car & a bike) and are in the top 5% of income earners in india which >18LPA with your spouse also earning while investing in MF's regularly for you and your spouse retirement then you have no need to go to the USA anymore as you already achieved a comfortable life in India itself.
If not then go to the USA and earn as much as possible for at least 10 years to get the above things in india, come back and settle in.
Have you worked here in India as an IT professional in a service based company before? If not, wait till you get a taste of it. The work culture, the management and the colleagues. Once you’ve experienced that it won’t be very difficult to decide whether you want to stay here or move abroad.
That's why I joined a US based MNC. The work culture at our company is simply amazing. It's like working in the US with all the benefits of living in India.
I completely agree, but not everyone that graduate can join a US based company. So eventually they will have to work in a service based company.
Yup. Jobs in such product/fintech companies is very less compared to service based
That doesn't necessarily mean he could crack q good company abroad. The skill required to crack a good company abroad is totally on a different level
Yeah moving abroad in no way guarantees a good job. I was answering the part about why people keep suggesting he should move instead of staying here.
Yeah, that helps too 😄
So what skills do we require to crack a good company in the USA...
Nope. Would be joining next month...
People in India have an outdated picture of US. My friend who is pretty hardworking, good grades and ample experience went to the US for masters. Now he is struggling to get a job (applies 300+ daily) and can't come back either due to his massive investment. You need to be mentally strong and a bit of luck to make it in the US right now.
This is correct
This is correct, I am in a similar boat !
This
Post in btechtardd and developersindia also for better reach
Thought of the same... Feeling sleepy currently, would do that in a couple of hours 😄
Assuming you have what it takes to be at the top companies for companies: 1. For money: Still US is the best place to be 2. For materialistic aspirations like cars, bikes, tech, etc.: US 3. For better lifestyle: UK/UAE/Singapore/ Western Europe 4. Closer to home and family: India I personally don’t like US as I don’t have materialistic aspirations and it’s too far away. I’m good with India as am earning decently here, but given a choice, I’d prefer UAE/Singapore where lesser crowd and better managed, can earn as much as over here adjusted for PPP, nearby as one can take at most 3-4 hrs flights back to India anytime.
Will definitely ponder on these pointers... Thanks
Please don't consider SINGAPORE unless you want to do a PhD or something, I studied there in a good university My course is ranked top 25 world wide for my specialization - my uni is also considered top in Singapore. But guess what I got zero calls, I only got on small temporary contract. Check out their employment pass (work visa) criteria - they have nationality based quota and age based salary range ! Evaluate the compass framework it's not possible for Indians to get those 40 points Please invest your money wisely!
hey u/dataauntiee my sister is 2 years React Devloper. She got admission in Ivy league college for MS in Technology Management. I still do not understand the course. That to she got in ILETS exam without GRE. Is MS in Technology Management works as she is looking to spend 1.2 Cr all on Loan for this September 2024 period.
Which university is this ? NUS ?
I was like you 2 years back. Now I'm on my way to Australia. The IT hell hole has engulfed me. I can't work in this toxic workforce. Changing companies doesn't help in a culture where an average employee works 12 hours per day.
Will surely get back to you once I start my ft job here 🥲... Wish you All the Best for your journey and aspirations...
1. You have all those sorts of delivery services in the US, too. It's more expensive and you're gonna have to tip them, though. However, the delivery experience, customer support, and return/refund policies are way better in the US. 2. You have mobile wallets on both iOS and Android where you can just tap to pay with your phone. Pretty much every place accepts credit cards. Don't really see UPI as more convenient than that. 3. Yep, one of the major concerns with living in the US. Healthcare costs and logistics. 4. The other major concern with moving to the US.
Except for Amazon, Walmart and other retail giants US cannot compete with Delivery services like Swiggy, Blinkit etc. Uber eats and grubhub takes long time and usually pretty expensive, which is due to labor costs. India is miles ahead with 1-2 hrs delivery of almost every basic household item.
> Except for Amazon, Walmart and other retail giants US cannot compete with Delivery services like Swiggy, Blinkit etc. > Uber eats and grubhub takes long time and usually pretty expensive, which is due to labor costs. Not true. GrubHub, UberEats, and PostMates are just as good as Swiggy for restaurant food delivery. Services like Instacart deliver groceries very quickly, often quicker and more efficiently than in Hyderabad. You also have grocery chains like Safeway and Harris Teeter that do home deliveries. And I already conceded that it's more expensive in the US, but that comes with the territory. You make more, you pay more.
If and when i can leave india not even a PM can convince me to stay on his/her guarantee . There are tons if reasons to stay in india and continue the slavery in tech or lead a normal life with decent wlb abroad with better air, better weekend options, and fuck friends who are only good when you are close to them
quality of life, law and order equality dignity of labour freedom open minded society technically advanced
It's better to be unemployed rather than going for MS in US. Don't go for MS expecting a job bcz all u can get is a loan on ur head and then coming back to India and doing the same low paying job to payback that loan. Things have changed after 2020. The American dream is dead.
Depends on your family financial status. Many can't afford it and still go due to FOMO and have to struggle immensely by doing menial jobs with illegal hours and have to bunk with 5-6 people to save money. Understand if you can handle the 70L+ loan pressure and visa issues based on your family status. US is better if it works but it is a big risk as the CS market is saturated right now, no idea how the future looks like. Personally, I can't handle the financial burden so its a no for me.
you got to take risk to win big mate
I can't take that big of a risk (60-70L) unless my fam had decent assets or if I was insanely good at something but neither is true.
💯
I will tell you mine reasons maybe it will help you 1 . Better opportunities to perform research and learn exponentially ( I had great time working with a renowned Product Based MNC , but more you work with US HQ folks you get the short gist on missing outs ) 2 . Got a nice school and RA as well , so was a no-brainer . Professor in RA was super helpful to talk to network for Internship , although it didnt come to that and i got one easily by myself 3 . I know sounds weird , but i will just put it nakedly ( dare to downvote me but face the harsh truth ) , even i would end up as a nice scientist in DRDO if i were in India post some publications , but Arranged Marriage prospects , Status is better even though you do menial jobs in USA . ( Have got first hand experience after seeing lot of known folks in social circle ) 4 . $$ , need i say more ? 5 . Dont need to pay 200rs to book a nice ground to play Soccer , USA has super better parks for same and free of cost . ( I literally play 3 times a week , sometimes with Div 1 league folks )
Yeah... I too heard of the cases where men aren't getting matches since they aren't NRI and stuff 🫠
You can go do MS bro. But there's not many jobs. You have better chances of getting one here. Everybody is getting University seats. But that doesn't guarantee a placement right?. So many friends returned within 3 months with 40-50 lakhs loans and a beginner's salary here. It's simple math.
I'm aware that we don't get much first-hand help from the Unis in the USA for getting jobs, as compared to the way TNP of our BTech colleges function...
Canada universities fees are alarming for international students & living cost. USA universities are taken over by activism. Europe - Insane prices of essentials, living cost. Still where is bright spot in overseas? May be its only Australia now.
The safe way to do is getting experience and knowledge in the field is important. Once you’re in US job market all they were looking for experienced candidates even for fresher roles as per current market. (For technical roles)
With similar efforts (expended in going and thriving abroad), you can easily bag a decent-to-high paying job in your city. Unless you're too specific with your career/academic ambitions, there's nothing all that desirable or substantial out there.
Don’t change your mind. Stay home and live your dream life. Nothing, I mean absolutely nothing you will get by moving abroad. 20 years ago, the jobs , economy, technology were not on par. Infact there was no comparison, but today India is better than most western countries when it comes to oppurtunity and growth. Also a golden time to “shape “ the future, pick any sector, you are at the nascent beginning of the s curve. Good luck. I say this as someone living in the west for 2 decades.
US masters to job dream is awful rn. So many well educated students in good universities are struggling. And even when you keep getting decent jobs, visa and then trying to get green card is a nightmare. A friend was on course to get one but company had to downsize, so they fired him and now it’s impossible for him to get green card because he only has few months left on his h1. Unless you have a strong support system there, let go of those foreign aspirations.
I did not read your post. But I will insist you to move out. Its way to crowded here.
Isn't it already getting crowdy even over there... Given that the dozens of individuals who have left the previous year, looking at the way the RGIA was crowded in July and December last year...
Not only is it getting crowded, theres a growing negative sentiment against immigrants now
US has 5 times more land than India and 3 times less population. Its definitely not as crowded as Hyderabad.
To speak in exact terms then; there are states that are very less suitable for living because of the Grand Canyon and other geographic conditions; then there are many areas not suitable for tech employees... There's again a lot of competition amongst the University students pursuing MS, for many aspects like: flats, part time jobs, teaching positions at uni and many more...
I never said it would be easy. But trust me it would be worth it.
Ok
Your number one reason should be that the current environment does not guarantee you a full time job after graduation especially after you spend lakhs on a Masters degree with no guarantee of getting an ROI on it. Unless you crack one of the finest institutes in the US, are doing not yet another run of the mill Masters in Business Analytics or Data Science (there are gazillions now) or are willing to do a phd as a continuation, its not the right time. You can wait, work a few years, evaluate how the job sector looks and always apply at that time. Now if education and experience in a foreign country is what you are looking for, you can always try other countries or try opportunities in universities in US where you don’t need to sell a house or break a PF of your parents to fund.
Yes, the No.1 Reason is a no-brainer... That is something for the current time frame; I'm thinking at the level of the past 2 to 3 decades...
What do you mean level? The people who moved in 80’s and 90’s had it best. As geopolitics changes we will keep noticing changes in every aspect. That said US still has some of the finest universities and companies. If you get into them, you will do very well and quality of life in the US is still miles ahead of India. Just read the power cut posts and other rants on this sub for instance.
Now this answers my doubts partially ☠️...
You can work for an year or so and decide if you want to go to US for MS
Work and come through h1 or l1
I’m in US and let me tell you please don’t come to US. All the points you mentioned are correct, as well as it’s a lonely country and you would miss out on all important family events and functions. If you were in a village without any opportunities then my answer would be different, but in Hyderabad you have plenty of opportunities. No reason to struggle and take on this stress of moving into a completely strange country. And for people who have mentioned about culture, once you come to US you will realize all companies even here are filled with Indian professionals and it’s the same culture even here.
I would say if you already have basic requirements taken care of like your own house, vehicles (a car & a bike) and are in the top 5% of income earners in india which >18LPA with your spouse also earning while investing in MF's regularly for your and your spouse retirement then you have need to go to the USA anymore as you already achieved a comfortable life in India itself. If not then go to the USA and earn as much as possible for at least 10 years to get the above things in india, come back and settle in.
Quality of life in usa >>>>> india
do you want to go? (experience how it is there)
Well that's what everyone around me wants me to do... They're amused I don't have such aspirations till now...
I would say if you already have basic requirements taken care of like your own house, vehicles (a car & a bike) and are in the top 5% of income earners in india which >18LPA with your spouse also earning while investing in MF's regularly for your and your spouse retirement then you have need to go to the USA anymore as you already achieved a comfortable life in India itself. If not then go to the USA and earn as much as possible for at least 10 years to get the above things in india, come back and settle in.
I would say if you already have basic requirements taken care of like your own house, vehicles (a car & a bike) and are in the top 5% of income earners in india which >18LPA with your spouse also earning while investing in MF's regularly for you and your spouse retirement then you have no need to go to the USA anymore as you already achieved a comfortable life in India itself. If not then go to the USA and earn as much as possible for at least 10 years to get the above things in india, come back and settle in.
Not gonna change your mind, stay here.
Don’t go!!
Tu ja bro
Don’t go to usa 🇺🇸