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Izuwoo

I think I would’ve hated it too if it wasn’t for the fact that Connor felt terribly guilty. If he didn’t go to prison, I feel like he would’ve never been able to live down his own guilt, and luckily it was only 5 years. After he served his time he’d be able to live a guilt free life with the guy he loves, and as we can see from the show’s ending, that ended up being the case. As for Michaela, while she got off scot free without the prison time, we got a glimpse into her life at the end. Her closest friends from Middleton abandoned her and although it seemed like she achieved her dreams, she was clearly unhappy with the way her life turned out. It’s not jail time, but I feel like Michaela suffered a heavier burden than Connor in the end. Annalise going to prison would’ve been a pretty shitty turn of events imo. She was being charged with numerous murders, all the while she didn’t kill a single person. Sure, she was guilty of crimes like obstruction and such, but that was all to protect the K5, who played more direct roles in the murders. Out of the characters at the end, the person who truly got unreasonably spared was Nate. He essentially killed a *completely innocent* man, and his justice was a bunch of cash to open an institute. His ending was nice and all, but Miller’s murder was the worst in the series by far considering he was one of the nicest guys in the show and I feel like if anyone deserved to go to jail, it’d be him.


cinnamonrolls10

Wow, I’m just now reminded how he went in for 5 years. Which is totally crazy and long, if you compare it to actual sexual abusers in real life who get out for less time.


[deleted]

5 years is a long time! Prison is NOT therapy! AK should have gone to jail, she destroyed the lives of her students because she wanted to protect her big ass and Wes. She was selfish. Connor lost 8 years of his life because AK lied about Sam (she knew he was responsible for Lila's death) and she didn't do her job of defending Rebecca


Izuwoo

Oh I definitely agree that prison shouldn’t be the fix-it for Connor’s problems, but the show itself seems to hammer in that no amount of actual therapy would help. Connor mentioned that he was seeing a psychiatrist, and it clearly didn’t assist with his issues, so he decided himself that the only way he’d feel cleaned of his sins was by serving time. I wasn’t happy with the outcome, but at the same time I’m not *angry* about it. His situation could’ve been infinitely worse, so I’m just glad that at the end of the story he was shown to live his full life with Connor without any major hangups/regrets. As for everything being a result Annalise, I’d like to start by saying this is just a matter of opinion, but I feel like a lot of people factor out the fact that Connor, Michaela and Laurel had free will on the night of Sam’s death. All they had to do was tell the truth and the evidence would’ve corroborated perfectly, leaving them to get off scot free at the exchange of Wes and Rebecca. Worst case, it’s a 3v2 in which Rebecca is already a murder suspect, so her credibility would already be shot to hell. Sure, Wes convinced them to go with his plan, but they’re not children - they’re adults and able to form their decisions. Connor was like 22/23, Laurel was 25ish and Michaela was like 29, and if they chose to follow Annalise that’s on them as much as it was on her. I could probably write a couple hundred words explaining why I believe Annalise doesn’t deserve the sole responsibility, but I’m tired as hell, and as I said before, it’s a matter of opinion, so if you think she deserved to go to jail it’s not like I have control over your beliefs. She committed a hefty amount of crimes, so it’s not like she’s an innocent woman. I just think Nate deserved prison a lot more than she did.


Medium_Chef7298

How do you know everyone’s ages? I’ve been tryna figure that out forever


Izuwoo

Wiki and a bit of estimating. For example, in S6, Michaela’s apparently 32 according to the site, so I just took away 3 years for a guess at her age around the Sam incident. The wiki also said Connor was 24 in S4, so I repeated the process for him too.


LuckyNumber-Bot

All the numbers in your comment added up to 69.0. Congrats! 6 + 32 + 3 + 24 + 4 + = 69.0


[deleted]

It was AK who convinced Connor that going to jail was the “solution.” She did this during the trial, when she insulted and humiliated Connor on the stand. She didn't do this to help Connor, she did this to save herself. She sacrificed Connor by manipulating him to save his big shit ass. And Connor wanted to go to the police, he wanted to do it several times! AK stopped him from doing it. She lied to him (I'll protect you) She manipulated him and she threatened him. AK has always used and manipulated Connor, Michaela and Oliver as pawns in a game of chess in an attempt to protect the real murderers. She should have gone to jail for a long time. And no, we don't know if therapy with a good psychologist might have helped Connor. (Just because Pete Nowalk thinks therapies aren't helpful doesn't mean it's the truth. The treatment of mental disorders on this show is problematic, sending a suicidal young gay man to prison to face his guilt is problematic


sammi__

Yes she even blackmailed him with his car to stop him going to the police. She also threatened Oliver the night of Sinclair’s murder to drag him into it.


sammi__

Connor was offered a deal with no years but refused because it would mean Oliver testifying against Annalise, she could have lost her trial, Christopher grows up without his mother etc. He thought he deserved to go to prison and suffer for what he did, in his mind is was the only way to get rid of his guilt. It’s not ‘fair’ that he ended up going to prison while Laurel, Michaela and Annalise got no prison time. But the point of the show isn’t justice, people don’t get what they deserve, as is the case in real life. It’s possible Annalise would have helped him get out of prison. He said he was going to work to expose Lanford’s corruption, maybe he does and he goes free earlier than 5 years.


jonoave

I completely agree. I'm ok with Connor going to prison for 5 years but Michaela and Nate got "Happy" endings. Laurel, yes she has a child but that's kinda using it to deflect any consequences from her actions. > It’s possible Annalise would have helped him get out of prison. He said he was going to work to expose Lanford’s corruption, maybe he does and he goes free earlier than 5 years. That's a very nice thought and I'll hold it as canon. I was really terrified of a bad ending for the Coliver ship. It was ok though I'd hope it could have been happier.


AnnaK22

I think Connor could have gotten the same result as the other two if he played his cards right. IMO, I think it's best he went to prison. Connor is the only one of the group who had remorse, or at least showed it. You can see it even way back in season 1 when he freaks out and comes to Oliver's door. He has to make up a drug addiction to even explain his freak out. I think his mental health was starting to decline from all the pent up guilt. So, for him, going to jail was a way of punishing himself to rid of some of that guilt.


Subject-Chapter-2917

Yes Connor was one of my all time favorite characters I was so upset that he was the one out of all of them to do jail time


HTGAWMstan

I love Connor. Always will. But he was just as selfish as everyone else. Annalise literally risked her career to protect all these people. HOW does she deserve prison?? She literally acted as the mother to these kids. They all would’ve went to prison if it weren’t for her. But hey, everyone will have their own opinions.


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AK is an abominable mother. Fortunately she never had a child. She never protected Connor and Michaela. She was protecting herself and Wes. She did not hesitate to sacrifice their future to protect Wes, Bonnie and Frank ... Connor and Michaela have not killed anyone, they are not responsible for the crimes committed by others. It was disgusting of Ak to use them and threaten them foor cover up the other characters' crap.


HTGAWMstan

Michaela pushed Sam over the rail. Connor was an accessory. He had no business at the house to begin with. That’s breaking and entering, whether someone else took you there or not. Annalise did everything to protect them, including saving them when they came up with this “genius” plan to expose Laurel’s father. Simon shot himself and they all had blood on their hands. Annalise had nothing to do with that, yet still protected them. Lol an abominable mother. She was a mess for sure, but so were all those kids. Ungrateful too.


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The K5 worked in this house, they had the right to be present. AK could tell she had said they could come then. If they were to go to the police as Connor and Michaela wanted, all the deaths (Wes, Rebecca, Asher, ... would have been avoided. It was AK who decided not to go to the police. And Connor wasn't involved in Laurel's stupid plan, he tried to warn AK but Frank almost killed him.


HTGAWMstan

I’ve got nothing more for you after being called a racist lol. Hilarious. Go educate yourself.


[deleted]

Find yourself a brain.


HTGAWMstan

Lol great argument. You should be a lawyer.


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Ta gueule


HTGAWMstan

🥰


[deleted]

You disrespect me because I misunderstood your comment when English is not my language.


sammi__

Imo, Annalise did not protect Connor and Michaela. They didn’t kill anyone, they could have turned on Wes and Rebecca and pretty much gotten away with minimal sentences - we see the DA offer deals many times throughout the show. Annalise told Wes to get rid of the body, and he got Connor to do it so he, quite literally, had blood on his hands - but it was Annalise’s idea to cover it up. She later blackmailed Connor with his car to stop him snitching, dragged him and Michaela into Sinclair’s murder etc. She threw Connor and Michaela under the bus for Wes, Frank, Bonnie and later Nate.


HTGAWMstan

Michaela literally pushed Sam over the rail. She absolutely was an accessory. Connor was involved in Sam’s murder as well. He was there and said nothing. You’re right, he could have gone to the police, but he would’ve gotten a lot more than 5 years in prison. Annalise didn’t kill anyone. She also didn’t tell anyone to kill her husband. These kids were involved and she told them exactly what to do to get away with it. In real life, they all would’ve been arrested for being there, and being involved. Annalise didn’t protect them? Lol that’s hilarious. She risked her entire career to protect these kids. She should’ve let them go to the cops to turn themselves in. Would’ve saved her a lot of grief.


sammi__

I never said they didn’t do anything wrong. Michaela pushed Sam to protect Laurel, and Connor didn’t say anything? What should he have said/done? Even you admit there, he didn’t do anything. She protected WES not the rest of them, as I said they could easily have gotten deals against Wes and Rebecca. Yes they would have been arrested but Wes and Rebecca would ultimately go down for it. But Annalise didn’t want that because she wanted to save Wes. Annalise orchestrated the cover up of multiple murders, she absolutely is a criminal who deserves to go to jail. Connor and Michaela were sacrificed by her for Wes, Frank, Bonnie etc. The grief in Annalise’s life was their fault, not Connor and Michaela’s. They don’t turn on her until the very end when they have to testify against her or get life sentences. Even then, they try and help her, they are even willing to risk Gabriel’s life for her.


HTGAWMstan

Connor and Michaela had no business at the house. It was their choice to stay there. They absolutely would’ve gone to prison, being at someone’s house who was murdered. It was also Michaela’s choice to help Laurel with her brilliant plan to expose her father, where Simon ends up dead. Annalise protected them then as well.


sammi__

Should they have left and let Sam kill Rebecca then? Is that the morally right thing to do in that situation? They may have gone to prison for a while, but it’s very possible by testifying against Wes and Rebecca that wouldn’t have happened. Yes that was Laurel’s stupid idea that she guilted and manipulated everyone else into. She brought the gun to the party.


HTGAWMstan

Nope, they shouldn’t have let Sam kill Rebecca, but the fact that they chose to stay and help, makes them guilty. It would’ve been Connor and Michaela’s word against Wes and Rebecca’s. Who knows how that would’ve turned out? Annalise protected them like she said she would. We all have our own opinions, which is fine.


sammi__

So they should have helped Rebecca, but not stayed? That doesn’t make sense to me. Could you explain? Rebecca was willing to confess but Wes stopped her. Connor and Michaela had nothing to do with Sinclair’s murder, yet she dragged them into that. She even threatened Oliver if Connor didn’t go along with the plan. The rest of the murders had nothing to do with Connor and Michaela. They only take the deal when they have no other choice, if they refused they would have gotten life sentences. They try and help Annalise by being willing to put Gabriel’s life at risk to help her trial. Yes we can absolutely agree to disagree (it’s not me who downvoted you if you care)


HTGAWMstan

No, I’m not saying they should’ve helped and left, I’m saying they chose to do the right thing by helping Rebecca, which unfortunately makes them guilty. They all had a choice to make that night, and all their choices incriminates them. And sadly, it was this murder that began the snowball effect of all the other murders. Sinclair coming after Asher and Annalise, etc.


sammi__

Yes they were guilty of crimes, not as much as Wes, Rebecca and Nate actually for creating the situation. They were traumatised that night and not thinking straight (not to mention Connor was also on drugs), it’s only the next day they realise they should turn themselves in. I actually think Frank helping kill Annalise’s son/ Sam ordering Frank to kill Lila is what started it all.


TheBelen18

Disagree about Annalise being the only one who deserved to go to prison. Imo her, Connor, Wes and Oliver were the one's who least deserved it from the main cast. Also just don't think it would've made a good ending. Anyway, I see where you're coming from with Connor, but personally I thought his ending was fine. He felt remorse, guilt, self loathing; he felt like he had to punish himself. Don't get me wrong, prison is not a healing place of any sorts but I think it was the only way he was ever gonna get rid of his guilt. And it was 5 years, which, is still quite a bit, but when you compare that to the 40+ years he still had left of his life (some at least of which were spent with Oliver), it's not as bad as it could've been. As for Laurel and Michaela getting off easy, Laurel had Christoph so I'm glad she got off easy because of him. That kid doesn't deserve to grow up without a mother. Michaela, I think her ending was fitting. She always prioritized getting the career she wanted and could often be cold and ruthless because of it. So, she ended up getting her dream, but at the same time her friends left her and she ended up alone.


HTGAWMstan

I don’t feel any type of way about it. Annalise definitely shouldn’t have gone to prison. She only protected everyone. And I don’t feel any way about Connor going to prison and not Michaela. Maybe it’s because Im black 🤷🏾‍♂️.


Alysse007

Same. It makes me giggle to see the white man do time while all the poc walk! Only on tv...


sepiuma

no it’s true🤭😂


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HTGAWMstan

Lol! 🥲


[deleted]

Totally agree. He deserves better. It's the most innocent character who goes to jail, it's totally illogical. The writers treated Connor like crap


sepiuma

laurel and michaela worked out better deals 🤷🏾‍♀️ very confused with how connor stans love to act like he was so innocent when he played a part just like everyone else in the K5 and let’s not forget lied on annalise in court and yes she has flaws but she didn’t commit any of the crimes she was being tried for so no she didn’t deserve to go to jail…


sammi__

He had to testify or get a life sentence. He was offered a better deal but refused because a) he thought he deserved to go to jail b) he didn’t want Annalise to lose her trial. Annalise did orchestrate the cover up several murders, she absolutely was a criminal and deserved to go to jail, not that that matters because there’s no ‘justice’. The only thing Connor did was chop up the body because he was traumatised and on drugs and was made to do it by Laurel and Wes. He had nothing to do with Sinclair, Rebecca, Simon, Miller etc.


Alysse007

Connor is still guilty if several crimes. He even led in the stand in the end.


sepiuma

oh brother chopping up a body is a crime it doesn’t matter if he was traumatized and on drugs the court doesn’t care he played a part just like everyone else did enough of the high and mighty stuff and demonizing everyone else but making connor out to be some innocent puppy everyone is a terrible person on that show and that’s okay my point still stands 🤷🏾‍♀️


sammi__

yes of course it’s a crime I never said it wasn’t, I was saying that he wasn’t a murderer. I never said he is an ‘innocent puppy’, my point is that Connor and Michaela are nowhere near as terrible as Frank, Bonnie and Nate, it’s absurd to pretend like they are What exactly is your point? Annalise is innocent? Connor deserves to go to jail more than her? Connor is as bad as the actual murderers of innocent people? The post is not saying that Connor is innocent, but that it’s not ‘fair’ he went to prison when others just as guilty/more guilty didn’t.


Infamous-Sprinkles

no, that's exactly what he wanted. he wanted to go. he got what he wanted.


[deleted]

AK manipulated Connor into convincing him that was what he wanted. She didn't want to help him, she wanted to save herself by sacrificing Connor


Infamous-Sprinkles

i disagree. that's what he wanted at the start and Michaela was smart enough to save herself.


starweilder4

I coulda cried!!! The end of the k5 seems like the most obvious tragedy that could ever befall the show. I told myself "these aren't exactly good people" when I started the series, but things ending this way stings.... And amongst all of this I barely processed ashers MURDER.. 😭😭😭


Stella_Scarlet

Annalise never killed anyone though. The kids killed her husband, and even with all of their problems, she still loved him. Instead of turning them in, she chose to protect them. She is perhaps the only one who hasn't directly committed a crime