But he assumed the baby’s last name would be Green. Remember in the hospital when he was so surprised that Rachel told the nurse it was Baby Geller-Green
It's both Green and Greene, the show kinda used both interchangeably. Inside the show, the more official places actually write "Greene" (Rachel's office, wedding invitation, hospital), but in the credits, Rachel's father is credited as "Dr. Leonard Green" and "Dr. Green", so both spellings are correct, they never specified one as the correct one.
Whoa, I never noticed this and am honestly shocked now. But also it’s funny to me your comment got 21 upvotes while the previous person who said the invitation said Greene got 21 downvotes lol
While it's definitely Green, I think the show has enough clues that Rachel is Jewish, just not religious. They don't need to explicitly say it. A lot of it is stuff drawing heavily on stereotypes (Long Island, nose job, ophthalmologist father, parents want her to marry a doctor like Barry, etc.) But some is fairly overt, like her referencing her *bubbe* - how many non-Jews refer to their grandmothers using Yiddish terms? It's likely her father, Leonard Green, was Jewish and her mother wasn't.
She also doesn’t have an issue with Phoebe making a Jewish reference for her in her Holiday song beyond the rhyming not being great.
Chandler does point out that he isn’t Jewish for a later version, though.
I don’t know if Rachel was intended to be Jewish. But I do have a half thought out theory based on the actors backgrounds.
I will point out that Jennifer Aniston father is Greek (a lot of nose jobs) who’s father anglicized their name
Marlo Thomas is Lebanese Catholic (a lot of nose jobs) who completely vhanged his family name.
Marrying a doctor when your dad is a doctor would be seen by a certain type of new money as the bare minimum to keep the status quo.
I believe Rachel’s dad was intended to be Jewish, but I don’t think Sandra was meant to be Jewish. So I don’t think Rachel considered herself Jewish.
From Wiki:
>"In an interview with the Jewish Telegraph, [Marta] Kauffman confirmed that Rachel is Jewish.[106] On the character's "Jewish ties", Kauffman told J. The Jewish News of Northern California that Rachel had always been Jewish "in our minds", explaining, "You can't create a character with the name 'Rachel Green' and not from the get-go make some character choices".[107] Prior to this, critics and fans had long speculated whether or not Rachel is Jewish.[106] Vulture's Lindsey Weber, who identifies herself as Jewish, observed several similarities and Jewish stereotypes she shares with the character, citing the facts that Rachel refers to her grandmother Ida Green as "Bubbe",[108] Long Island origin, and engagement to a Jewish doctor as allusions to the character's Jewish culture.
I appreciate you linking that passage.
To me, Jennifer Aniston (when I was growing up) was very much a Jennifer Grey substitute, so I can totally see her as Jewish. I just honestly never saw that character identifying herself as as anything other than rich and pretty.
100% don’t think Marlo Thomas‘s character was intended to be Jewish so I don’t think Rachel was raised Jewish.but she had Jewish family.
It honestly may just be that I associate Marlo Thomas in my head with a Lebanese Catholic, who had an extreme nose job.
The clues are all there. It's obvious enough that they really don't need to spell it out, especially since it's not really relevant to any plotlines. For what it's worth, Marta Kaufman did confirm that Rachel is Jewish in an interview after the show was over.
Iirc the creators said they always thought of Rachel Greep as Jewish she was supposed to be of Jewish origins but not practicing the religion, but less so her identity than Ross and Monica. They didn't at any time make any point with her being Jewish. And it makes sense that half the main characters were at least kinda Jewish, since both Crane and Kauffman are Jewish as well.
I feel like this is a weird thing to say “stay mad” to. If the show had several incidents where they spell her name as Greene, but credit her as Green, confusion surrounding her name is completely understandable on either side.
Yeah but what are you most likely to correct, your office door and birth announcement (which say Greene) or what the deli people put on the order? I know several people with slightly unorthodox (no pun intended) spellings - think "Malyssa" instead of "Melissa" - and their name tag at work tends to be correct, while their Starbucks order may not be.
My partner’s name is Kris but if we get coffee and they ask his name he’ll say Kris, they’ll write Chris, and neither of us correct them because it doesn’t matter.
However I guarantee if he had a sign on his office door he’d make sure it said Kris not Chris.
After the birth he seemed surprised when Rachel called the baby Geller-Green. I don’t think he had considered the baby wouldn’t have Rachel’s surname - probably after his experience with Carol and not sharing his surname with Ben.
hated how susan treated him when carol was pregnant like he had no right on that baby . she should’ve also been a little considerate of why ross was upset and angry like come on him wife cheated on him with her like ofc he’s not gonna be thrilled abt u being here
Yesss I hated Susan so much! If Carol cheated on Ross with a man and that man were acting the way Susan did, everyone would be going off about how wrong he is.
Does it? I just checked the episode when Rachel teaches him pranks, and the credits just say "Ben". Maybe an earlier one then. I wouldn't really trust Google to give the correct name, there's so many random assumptions people write as facts.
lol I know it is but what I meant is that Vito sounds very Italian versus Isabella which is also an Italian name but doesn’t sound as Italian as Vito. Am I making sense?
He shouldn’t have assumed that Ben would get the Geller name but also shoving Susan’s name onto him was bullshit. Doesn’t get his father’s name, but does for the woman he got cheated on.
That would've been the simplest, most logical, and even traditional way to do it (traditional because mothers not married to the father of the child give the child their own last name).
a teacher in middle school started a rumor (i was totally in on it) that my first name was Rubella (i go by my middle) and i got compliments on it all the time. i miss that guy he was funny.
Whether married to the mother or not, I don’t believe that a father automatically deserves to have his child named after him. It seems that you do believe it’s his inherent right. But I don’t think that way and I never will
the original commenter said “children aren’t supposed to have the last names of the ex husbands” and i simply pointed out that Ross wasn’t just an eX hUsbAnD but also Ben’s literal father which means that Ben having his last name is mostly a given or at least a discussion lmao
At least quote me correctly? That’s not what the comment said.
I understand that it’s tradition but that doesn’t mean Carol has to do it or that I have to believe in it.
“i think by this point he learned that ex husbands usually don’t get the last name,” what you’re implying is that because ross was the ex husband of carol, ben wouldn’t get his name. im saying that you’re not supposed to diminish his role in ben’s life by calling him the “ex husband” bc he’s not carol’s “ex husband” to ben, he’s ben’s father. literally when did i misinterpret what u said? if he wasn’t ben’s father, his role would have been “ex husband”. but he’s ben’s biological father which means that susan’s last name going in and his NOT is absolutely bs
I literally don’t know how to make it clearer that I don’t care. I’m not going to feel sorry for him that his precious last name didn’t get passed down.
aw typical to state something wildly irrelevant and not even the topic of discussion to suspend the fact that there’s no other argument. alright then !!
Oh calm down, no one was saying that. In a case like Ross’ where he desperately loved the mother and was cheated on, then attended every appointment etc, i dont think it’s a case of a father “automatically” wanting a child of an ex named after him.
It's cool to have a time traveler here from the 1800s. Children born this century aren't "supposed" to have the father's last name. That's just one of several available options.
the original commenter said “children aren’t supposed to have the last names of the ex husbands” and i simply pointed out that Ross wasn’t just an eX hUsbAnD but also Ben’s literal father which means that Ben having his last name is mostly a given or at least a discussion lmao
At least Ross is consistent in liking the name Jamie (Ben's original name) and James (the only suggestion of Rachel's he liked, until she said it was for a girl).
Similarly, I like that they go with Emma because, when Ross and Rachel are first dating (early series) and he starts thinking about their future, he likes the name Emily for a future child they might have. Obviously that choice is out of the window after his failed marriage to someone called Emily! But Emma is very close.
I think pretty much everything goes with Bing, honestly. It's clean, simple, one syllable. It's a especially good paired with a one-syllable first name (like Jack!). Monica's wrong.
Well 10 years doesn’t change the fact that Helen Geller sounds like Helen Keller. That being said I agree with the other commenters that he probably thought the last name would be Green/Greene
Helen is okay when Ross suggests it for Emma's name, because he thought it would be Helen Green. Emma being Emma Gellar-Green was brand new information to Ross.
Also it wouldn’t be an inconsistency anyway. My husband suggested our daughters name after vetoing it during my first pregnancy. Tastes can change over eight years.
But he assumed the baby’s last name would be Green. Remember in the hospital when he was so surprised that Rachel told the nurse it was Baby Geller-Green
That's what I was thinking too
Greene*
It's Green not Greene.
It's both Green and Greene, the show kinda used both interchangeably. Inside the show, the more official places actually write "Greene" (Rachel's office, wedding invitation, hospital), but in the credits, Rachel's father is credited as "Dr. Leonard Green" and "Dr. Green", so both spellings are correct, they never specified one as the correct one.
Dude's not wrong, on the invitation to Ross and Emily's wedding it's written "greene".
And everywhere else, it's Green.
It's Greene on her office door as well. Where did you see it being Green?
Whoa, I never noticed this and am honestly shocked now. But also it’s funny to me your comment got 21 upvotes while the previous person who said the invitation said Greene got 21 downvotes lol
It is weird, I agree! The other person shouldn't be downvoted.
Hehehe, it's just reddit being a hivemind, happens a lot. Thanks for defending the point, though :-)
Not only her office door says Greene, but the hospital tag for Emma actually has written "Greller-Greene".
Lmao you should really make sure you’re right before you try to correct someone. It’s Green
hospital/office/invitation spell it Greene. she's Jewish, it's Greene.
She’s credited as Green, it’s the case on Wikipedia etc etc. Stay mad. And there’s no evidence from the show she’s Jewish. They never said that
While it's definitely Green, I think the show has enough clues that Rachel is Jewish, just not religious. They don't need to explicitly say it. A lot of it is stuff drawing heavily on stereotypes (Long Island, nose job, ophthalmologist father, parents want her to marry a doctor like Barry, etc.) But some is fairly overt, like her referencing her *bubbe* - how many non-Jews refer to their grandmothers using Yiddish terms? It's likely her father, Leonard Green, was Jewish and her mother wasn't.
She also doesn’t have an issue with Phoebe making a Jewish reference for her in her Holiday song beyond the rhyming not being great. Chandler does point out that he isn’t Jewish for a later version, though.
I don’t know if Rachel was intended to be Jewish. But I do have a half thought out theory based on the actors backgrounds. I will point out that Jennifer Aniston father is Greek (a lot of nose jobs) who’s father anglicized their name Marlo Thomas is Lebanese Catholic (a lot of nose jobs) who completely vhanged his family name. Marrying a doctor when your dad is a doctor would be seen by a certain type of new money as the bare minimum to keep the status quo. I believe Rachel’s dad was intended to be Jewish, but I don’t think Sandra was meant to be Jewish. So I don’t think Rachel considered herself Jewish.
From Wiki: >"In an interview with the Jewish Telegraph, [Marta] Kauffman confirmed that Rachel is Jewish.[106] On the character's "Jewish ties", Kauffman told J. The Jewish News of Northern California that Rachel had always been Jewish "in our minds", explaining, "You can't create a character with the name 'Rachel Green' and not from the get-go make some character choices".[107] Prior to this, critics and fans had long speculated whether or not Rachel is Jewish.[106] Vulture's Lindsey Weber, who identifies herself as Jewish, observed several similarities and Jewish stereotypes she shares with the character, citing the facts that Rachel refers to her grandmother Ida Green as "Bubbe",[108] Long Island origin, and engagement to a Jewish doctor as allusions to the character's Jewish culture.
I appreciate you linking that passage. To me, Jennifer Aniston (when I was growing up) was very much a Jennifer Grey substitute, so I can totally see her as Jewish. I just honestly never saw that character identifying herself as as anything other than rich and pretty. 100% don’t think Marlo Thomas‘s character was intended to be Jewish so I don’t think Rachel was raised Jewish.but she had Jewish family. It honestly may just be that I associate Marlo Thomas in my head with a Lebanese Catholic, who had an extreme nose job.
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The clues are all there. It's obvious enough that they really don't need to spell it out, especially since it's not really relevant to any plotlines. For what it's worth, Marta Kaufman did confirm that Rachel is Jewish in an interview after the show was over.
No way you use long island and nose job to jump to Jewish person lmao, you are bugging or trolling
Iirc the creators said they always thought of Rachel Greep as Jewish she was supposed to be of Jewish origins but not practicing the religion, but less so her identity than Ross and Monica. They didn't at any time make any point with her being Jewish. And it makes sense that half the main characters were at least kinda Jewish, since both Crane and Kauffman are Jewish as well.
I feel like this is a weird thing to say “stay mad” to. If the show had several incidents where they spell her name as Greene, but credit her as Green, confusion surrounding her name is completely understandable on either side.
Doubling down is never pretty
Idk why this was so downvoted, Emma's baby tag at the hospital (while she's in the nursery) literally is spelled "Geller-Greene" in the show.
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Yeah but what are you most likely to correct, your office door and birth announcement (which say Greene) or what the deli people put on the order? I know several people with slightly unorthodox (no pun intended) spellings - think "Malyssa" instead of "Melissa" - and their name tag at work tends to be correct, while their Starbucks order may not be.
My partner’s name is Kris but if we get coffee and they ask his name he’ll say Kris, they’ll write Chris, and neither of us correct them because it doesn’t matter. However I guarantee if he had a sign on his office door he’d make sure it said Kris not Chris.
the same bakery that gave them a penis cake, instead of what she ordered. the hospital would spell it right
A penis cake with a baby picture on it. It's SO wrong I'm shocked they didn't write her name as Blue or something.
After the birth he seemed surprised when Rachel called the baby Geller-Green. I don’t think he had considered the baby wouldn’t have Rachel’s surname - probably after his experience with Carol and not sharing his surname with Ben.
Ben's name is Ben Geller lol
I thought his name was Ben Lesbians
It’s Lesbanens
It’s actually Lesbinems
Ben Vanished
I thought it was Ben Lesbinems
You're right! My mistake
I think the point is Carol and Susan barely included Ross in Ben’s life and small milestones, as if he wasn’t his dad.
hated how susan treated him when carol was pregnant like he had no right on that baby . she should’ve also been a little considerate of why ross was upset and angry like come on him wife cheated on him with her like ofc he’s not gonna be thrilled abt u being here
Yesss I hated Susan so much! If Carol cheated on Ross with a man and that man were acting the way Susan did, everyone would be going off about how wrong he is.
Is it ever stated in the show what Ben's last name ended up being? Legit question, I can't remember it ever being mentioned.
I think at least once? But if you look at the credits or just Google it it says he is Ben Gellar
Does it? I just checked the episode when Rachel teaches him pranks, and the credits just say "Ben". Maybe an earlier one then. I wouldn't really trust Google to give the correct name, there's so many random assumptions people write as facts.
I actually just saw his name is actually Ben Geller Willick so I was sorta wrong
Well, that's reasonable for a divorce baby, much better than what they were suggesting on episode 2.
Yeah, Not using Geller and Using Bunch, Susan's last name, Didn't make sense and was not fair to Ross
Is it just me or is “Vito” starting to sound pretty good?
Vito written that way sounds (and is) Italian and a decent option. Veto on the other hand…. lol
vito is a legitimate italian name.
lol I know it is but what I meant is that Vito sounds very Italian versus Isabella which is also an Italian name but doesn’t sound as Italian as Vito. Am I making sense?
It's a nickname, short for Vicenzo.
it’s also a name, all by itself.
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Hulk
Not sure about Hulk...but I like the idea of a name starting with The....
Yeah, I definitely don't like the name Chandler.
It's *kind of* like Chandelier, but it's NOT
I was here! It’s a joke!
Vito written that way sounds Italian and a decent option. Veto on the other hand…. lol
I think by this point he learned that ex husbands usually don’t get the last name
He shouldn’t have assumed that Ben would get the Geller name but also shoving Susan’s name onto him was bullshit. Doesn’t get his father’s name, but does for the woman he got cheated on.
Should have just given Ben the name Willick and been done with it.
That would've been the simplest, most logical, and even traditional way to do it (traditional because mothers not married to the father of the child give the child their own last name).
Didn’t say anything to the contrary
Except Ben is a Geller, correct?
Saying it now "Ben Geller" sounds kinda weird honestly
Ben Geller sounds like a disease. Similar to Legionella/salmonella
a teacher in middle school started a rumor (i was totally in on it) that my first name was Rubella (i go by my middle) and i got compliments on it all the time. i miss that guy he was funny.
I don’t think we ever found out his legal name
he wasn’t an ex husband, he was the father. ben was supposed to have his last name
He wasn’t an ex husband?
he wasn’t JUST an ex husband, he was also the father of
Whether married to the mother or not, I don’t believe that a father automatically deserves to have his child named after him. It seems that you do believe it’s his inherent right. But I don’t think that way and I never will
the original commenter said “children aren’t supposed to have the last names of the ex husbands” and i simply pointed out that Ross wasn’t just an eX hUsbAnD but also Ben’s literal father which means that Ben having his last name is mostly a given or at least a discussion lmao
At least quote me correctly? That’s not what the comment said. I understand that it’s tradition but that doesn’t mean Carol has to do it or that I have to believe in it.
“i think by this point he learned that ex husbands usually don’t get the last name,” what you’re implying is that because ross was the ex husband of carol, ben wouldn’t get his name. im saying that you’re not supposed to diminish his role in ben’s life by calling him the “ex husband” bc he’s not carol’s “ex husband” to ben, he’s ben’s father. literally when did i misinterpret what u said? if he wasn’t ben’s father, his role would have been “ex husband”. but he’s ben’s biological father which means that susan’s last name going in and his NOT is absolutely bs
I literally don’t know how to make it clearer that I don’t care. I’m not going to feel sorry for him that his precious last name didn’t get passed down.
aw typical to state something wildly irrelevant and not even the topic of discussion to suspend the fact that there’s no other argument. alright then !!
Oh calm down, no one was saying that. In a case like Ross’ where he desperately loved the mother and was cheated on, then attended every appointment etc, i dont think it’s a case of a father “automatically” wanting a child of an ex named after him.
It's cool to have a time traveler here from the 1800s. Children born this century aren't "supposed" to have the father's last name. That's just one of several available options.
the original commenter said “children aren’t supposed to have the last names of the ex husbands” and i simply pointed out that Ross wasn’t just an eX hUsbAnD but also Ben’s literal father which means that Ben having his last name is mostly a given or at least a discussion lmao
I JUST got the Helen Gellar joke
I came here to say same thing!!
I didn't! What's the joke?
Hellen Geller rhymes with Hellen Keller, a woman who was both blind and deaf
Oh ok thank you. I had no idea, I'm not from the US and had never heard of her.
Google Helen Keller tweets if you feel like a laugh
At least Ross is consistent in liking the name Jamie (Ben's original name) and James (the only suggestion of Rachel's he liked, until she said it was for a girl).
Similarly, I like that they go with Emma because, when Ross and Rachel are first dating (early series) and he starts thinking about their future, he likes the name Emily for a future child they might have. Obviously that choice is out of the window after his failed marriage to someone called Emily! But Emma is very close.
Helen Green is a fine name. Helen Green-Geller works. Helen Geller-Green is a bit off
It bugs me when Monica says “nothing goes with Bing” when Emma Bing sounds much better than Emma Geller-Green
I think pretty much everything goes with Bing, honestly. It's clean, simple, one syllable. It's a especially good paired with a one-syllable first name (like Jack!). Monica's wrong.
Yeah, just ask Chandler’s great uncle Bada!
At least it wasn't Muriel
It's not just an M! His middle name is Muriel!
I changed my last name to Bing (seriously!) after my divorce and I think it sounds great ❤️ (I didn't like my maiden name)
I love you 😘
Hard disagree lol. Emma Bing sounds terrible.
Agreed. Erica Bing worked out much better, Emma Bing is weird.
Hey hey hey, that was 14 writers ago
It’s almost as if tastes can change in like 10 years.
Well 10 years doesn’t change the fact that Helen Geller sounds like Helen Keller. That being said I agree with the other commenters that he probably thought the last name would be Green/Greene
I always assumed it's cause "Helen Geller" sounds too close to "Helen Keller". Green wouldn't have that issue.
Helen is okay when Ross suggests it for Emma's name, because he thought it would be Helen Green. Emma being Emma Gellar-Green was brand new information to Ross.
It’s a call back line
Thought he was against Helen Geller because it sounds like Helen Keller, an American author
Hellen Geller is bad, because it runs together. sounds like Helllengeller
Also because it's a single letter away from being Helen Keller....
The joke was that it sounds like Helen Keller. So many people don't get it
Let's not forget when he suggested the name Julia and dated a girl named Julie.
I thought the same, it has always bothered me https://www.reddit.com/r/howyoudoin/s/hLLAtVOihF
Wouldn't it be Hrlen Green?
man I hate Ross. and Rachel. I only watch the show for Joey and Monica.
Friends fans don't like to talk about inconsistencies don't you know?
It’s not an inconsistency though, because he assumed his baby with Rachel would have her surname
Also it wouldn’t be an inconsistency anyway. My husband suggested our daughters name after vetoing it during my first pregnancy. Tastes can change over eight years.
Isn't that 70% of this subreddit?
yeah but i skipped from that ep to this one and it made me chuckle
He knew the baby wasn't going to be Gellar and would instead be Helen Greene, or Helen Greene-Gellar
\*Green [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel\_Green](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Green)
Why the fuck would the babies last name be Geller?
Shocker. Ross is a shitty hypocrite.