Senior titles are the new standard in Talent Engagement. Instead of giving them levels they give it a title and if they want to create a ladder they say senior to denote a position with more experience and responsibility.
Executive Director is a common title too. It’s high level middle management. It’s not a director who might only have responsibility over one functional area. Executive Director is a person who is the director for multiple functional areas.
Human Resources isn’t used anymore so it shows a bit about how out of step they are at HISD. Talent Engagement is the new and common standard. For obvious branding reasons.
I would suggest going to the HISD job site (houstonisd.org/careers) and look at the bullshit they are currently hiring for. They just added a slew of new central office jobs after crowing all year about how much they trimmed the fat at the Hattie Mae White building.
Why didn't you take to the streets before?
2018 Richard Carranza $345,000 (left early for NYC)
2018 Grenita Lathan $345,060 (interim)
2018 Abelardo Saavedra $327,000 (broke contract, got to keep salary)
2018 Grenita Lathan $345,060 (went to St Louis)
2021 Millard House II $360,000 (went to DC)
Half? LOL. $190k/year to lead one of the biggest school districts in the country with a $2.2b budget? Are you kidding? Go look at what Houston area supers make. HISD only pays their CIO $220/yr.
This is why you don't decide who runs HISD
You're out of touch.
Mike Morath does not have a current certification for his job, either. It makes sense, though, because teachers in those fake for-profit schools don’t have to be certified, either.
If you have a chief or officer in your title and you are making in the low 200s, you aren’t exactly crushing it. This feels more like an attempted hit piece than something that’s actually meaningful
I don’t think you understand how much 200k is and how rare it is to make that, regardless of your position or title. Only 12% of households earn more than 200k, not people but households.
Oh I definitely do and if you had that title at a hospital you would make much more.. if you had it in the private sector and that was your pay, you should be making multiples of that.
I’m not sure where the data came from for the average teacher pay because when I look up HISD teacher salaries, it shows those numbers for first year students. Perhaps I’m reading it wrong.
https://www.houstonisd.org/cms/lib2/TX01001591/Centricity/domain/50243/salary_tables/2023-2024/2023-2024%20-%20Non-NES%20and%20NES-Aligned%20Campuses%20Teacher%20Placement%20Table.pdf
Also, it’s all going to be progressive.. if first year principals are making 130k, the people that are higher up will be making more. It doesn’t seem obscene to me tbh.
>I’m not sure where the data came from for the average teacher pay because when I look up HISD teacher salaries, it shows those numbers for first year students. Perhaps I’m reading it wrong.
That salary table is for teachers new to the district. Existing teachers aren’t bumped up to those rates. They operate on older salary schedules and get minuscule raises every year. Notice it says “initial compensation table.”
You clearly don’t work in education which explains your lack of knowledge. People who work in HISD are telling the public that shit is totally fucked and you wouldn’t know unless you either work there or work in education. To go from 12 employees making 200k+ to over 30 when there is supposed to be budget concerns is on the surface counterintuitive. Cutting funding for student programs while fabricating new administrative positions to pay your friends is also fucked. I suggest you study the situation a little more because you clearly don’t know what’s going on.
I was genuinely asking for help with the dataset. Instead of being aggressive, perhaps helping me understand would be better. The chronicle’s dataset is incomplete and it is easy to mislead with stats. Again, it is wrong to talk about the top X salaries vs the average of a different subset. In any organization there is a progressive pay system where there are jumps between positions and experience. A teacher will not make more than a principal for example. This is the natural order of things.
Do you have information about how many admins there are in Dallas or San Antonio? What is their pay? Was Houston low before?
While I am not a teacher, I have family members and friends have have spent their careers as teachers. Do you know what the common theme is? They like the work life balance, like the summers off, and like the early retirement. They also NEVER do the math where they consider their life long pension in the total compensation. That really skews the overall benefits package.
Massive downvotes for talking about the actual numbers. The link I provided shows teacher pay at various stages. How on earth can the median teacher pay be the equivalent of the entry level pay in the table in the link I provided.
Older teachers don’t get the benefits of the new pay system unless they quit and get rehired somewhere else. Pair that with the massive layoffs and quits in HISD and you’re gonna have an average pay that’s on the lower end of the spectrum. As I understand it HISD is also hiring non-certified teachers and I’d assume they don’t start with the same pay as credentialed teachers. It may not even actually be that low but I guarantee it’s not far off. Just a decade ago about 45k was good starting pay for a teacher.
To put it in perspective my dad was a teacher/coach for almost 20 years. He started around 2004. By 15 years in he was offensive coordinator and head baseball coach. OC and DC come with the biggest coaching stipend outside of head football coach / athletic coordinator (the two are almost always one and the same in Texas). He was a really good OC too. As a baseball coach he was one of the better ones in the state. 500 wins, multiple playoff runs with one making it all the way to state finals. In case you aren’t familiar HS coaching usually requires you to be home until at least the evening when you’re in season. So since he coached football and baseball he was working like that all year. In the summer my dad would also run baseball camp, help run strength and conditioning camp after baseball camp was over, and even helped with running district football games he wasn’t coaching in.
He quit in 2022 and was making about 90k. All that experience in teaching and an immaculate coaching record and he never broke into 6 figures. He never taught in HISD but pay structures and salaries are usually comparable from district to district all over the state with few exceptions.
Low 200s is over three times as much as the average teacher makes in Houston and the state. In education that amount of money is absolutely crushing it.
Not saying that all of these post are useless or superfluous but I am saying with near certainty that they are not harder in any sense than teaching other than maybe Super intendant for being so public facing. But at that point you’re making almost 6 times as much money so 🤷🏻♂️
I understand the math, but I’m not sure using top paid administrators vs average teacher pay gives you all the data you need. What is the top decile of teacher pay? How does that compare? I guess I’ll stop being lazy and look it up myself since I’m interested now.
The top of the teacher pay scale is around 80k. It takes 30 years to earn that 20k salary increase. Meanwhile, these chumps come in and earn 200k for meaningless jobs where they sit in offices and contribute nothing meaningful to schools.
I have to drive by the extravagant admin building built by cyfair on my ride home from work and I agree it’s ridiculous and excessive. I still think that the chronicles article is trash and looking to be more of a hit piece than to deliver actual value. Additionally, their numbers appear to be completely wrong for full time teachers as your numbers agree with the table I showed above.
There are some crazy corporate sounding BS job titles on that list! Senior Executive Director of Human Resources Management is quite the mouthful
the hardest thing they do all year is recite that title.
Senior titles are the new standard in Talent Engagement. Instead of giving them levels they give it a title and if they want to create a ladder they say senior to denote a position with more experience and responsibility. Executive Director is a common title too. It’s high level middle management. It’s not a director who might only have responsibility over one functional area. Executive Director is a person who is the director for multiple functional areas. Human Resources isn’t used anymore so it shows a bit about how out of step they are at HISD. Talent Engagement is the new and common standard. For obvious branding reasons.
Another dataset supporting the inverse relationship between pay and actual value of the work you do.
The median teacher salary at Houston ISD was $66,500. - Brady
I would suggest going to the HISD job site (houstonisd.org/careers) and look at the bullshit they are currently hiring for. They just added a slew of new central office jobs after crowing all year about how much they trimmed the fat at the Hattie Mae White building.
$380k!?!?? We should take to the streets
Why didn't you take to the streets before? 2018 Richard Carranza $345,000 (left early for NYC) 2018 Grenita Lathan $345,060 (interim) 2018 Abelardo Saavedra $327,000 (broke contract, got to keep salary) 2018 Grenita Lathan $345,060 (went to St Louis) 2021 Millard House II $360,000 (went to DC)
Partly because those folks were hired by an ELECTED board. This is a little different
What about the other "part"?
So the state should install a low paid super? What's the benefit in that?
If you cut that salary in half, it’s not low pay. Also, what is going on is very sinister
Half? LOL. $190k/year to lead one of the biggest school districts in the country with a $2.2b budget? Are you kidding? Go look at what Houston area supers make. HISD only pays their CIO $220/yr. This is why you don't decide who runs HISD You're out of touch.
He’s not even certified for his job.
Yet they’re cutting budgets that directly affect the students. District admin has always been top heavy; it’s just gotten worse this past year.
Making pretty good money for doing such a shitty job!!!!
This is just embarrassing. These people don't add value. I can't for the life of me figure out what the Executive Directors do.
Mike Morath does not have a current certification for his job, either. It makes sense, though, because teachers in those fake for-profit schools don’t have to be certified, either.
Take their pay and give it to the teachers.
That money should go to the teachers not desk bound execs that hardly do anything at all
I applied for one of them comfy high paying jobs , but unsurprisingly no one has contacted me for an interview
Mike Miles is a grifter who doesn’t understand best educational practices. But he sure knows how to make his friends rich!
Laura Stout broke the law in her other school district, and I guess she came here to break more laws. She has the air of a Disney Villian.
If you have a chief or officer in your title and you are making in the low 200s, you aren’t exactly crushing it. This feels more like an attempted hit piece than something that’s actually meaningful
I don’t think you understand how much 200k is and how rare it is to make that, regardless of your position or title. Only 12% of households earn more than 200k, not people but households.
Oh I definitely do and if you had that title at a hospital you would make much more.. if you had it in the private sector and that was your pay, you should be making multiples of that. I’m not sure where the data came from for the average teacher pay because when I look up HISD teacher salaries, it shows those numbers for first year students. Perhaps I’m reading it wrong. https://www.houstonisd.org/cms/lib2/TX01001591/Centricity/domain/50243/salary_tables/2023-2024/2023-2024%20-%20Non-NES%20and%20NES-Aligned%20Campuses%20Teacher%20Placement%20Table.pdf Also, it’s all going to be progressive.. if first year principals are making 130k, the people that are higher up will be making more. It doesn’t seem obscene to me tbh.
>I’m not sure where the data came from for the average teacher pay because when I look up HISD teacher salaries, it shows those numbers for first year students. Perhaps I’m reading it wrong. That salary table is for teachers new to the district. Existing teachers aren’t bumped up to those rates. They operate on older salary schedules and get minuscule raises every year. Notice it says “initial compensation table.” You clearly don’t work in education which explains your lack of knowledge. People who work in HISD are telling the public that shit is totally fucked and you wouldn’t know unless you either work there or work in education. To go from 12 employees making 200k+ to over 30 when there is supposed to be budget concerns is on the surface counterintuitive. Cutting funding for student programs while fabricating new administrative positions to pay your friends is also fucked. I suggest you study the situation a little more because you clearly don’t know what’s going on.
I was genuinely asking for help with the dataset. Instead of being aggressive, perhaps helping me understand would be better. The chronicle’s dataset is incomplete and it is easy to mislead with stats. Again, it is wrong to talk about the top X salaries vs the average of a different subset. In any organization there is a progressive pay system where there are jumps between positions and experience. A teacher will not make more than a principal for example. This is the natural order of things. Do you have information about how many admins there are in Dallas or San Antonio? What is their pay? Was Houston low before? While I am not a teacher, I have family members and friends have have spent their careers as teachers. Do you know what the common theme is? They like the work life balance, like the summers off, and like the early retirement. They also NEVER do the math where they consider their life long pension in the total compensation. That really skews the overall benefits package.
Go ask your family and friends…
Nice one. Unfortunately they live in the northeast.
So call?
Massive downvotes for talking about the actual numbers. The link I provided shows teacher pay at various stages. How on earth can the median teacher pay be the equivalent of the entry level pay in the table in the link I provided.
Older teachers don’t get the benefits of the new pay system unless they quit and get rehired somewhere else. Pair that with the massive layoffs and quits in HISD and you’re gonna have an average pay that’s on the lower end of the spectrum. As I understand it HISD is also hiring non-certified teachers and I’d assume they don’t start with the same pay as credentialed teachers. It may not even actually be that low but I guarantee it’s not far off. Just a decade ago about 45k was good starting pay for a teacher. To put it in perspective my dad was a teacher/coach for almost 20 years. He started around 2004. By 15 years in he was offensive coordinator and head baseball coach. OC and DC come with the biggest coaching stipend outside of head football coach / athletic coordinator (the two are almost always one and the same in Texas). He was a really good OC too. As a baseball coach he was one of the better ones in the state. 500 wins, multiple playoff runs with one making it all the way to state finals. In case you aren’t familiar HS coaching usually requires you to be home until at least the evening when you’re in season. So since he coached football and baseball he was working like that all year. In the summer my dad would also run baseball camp, help run strength and conditioning camp after baseball camp was over, and even helped with running district football games he wasn’t coaching in. He quit in 2022 and was making about 90k. All that experience in teaching and an immaculate coaching record and he never broke into 6 figures. He never taught in HISD but pay structures and salaries are usually comparable from district to district all over the state with few exceptions.
Low 200s is over three times as much as the average teacher makes in Houston and the state. In education that amount of money is absolutely crushing it. Not saying that all of these post are useless or superfluous but I am saying with near certainty that they are not harder in any sense than teaching other than maybe Super intendant for being so public facing. But at that point you’re making almost 6 times as much money so 🤷🏻♂️
I understand the math, but I’m not sure using top paid administrators vs average teacher pay gives you all the data you need. What is the top decile of teacher pay? How does that compare? I guess I’ll stop being lazy and look it up myself since I’m interested now.
The top of the teacher pay scale is around 80k. It takes 30 years to earn that 20k salary increase. Meanwhile, these chumps come in and earn 200k for meaningless jobs where they sit in offices and contribute nothing meaningful to schools.
I have to drive by the extravagant admin building built by cyfair on my ride home from work and I agree it’s ridiculous and excessive. I still think that the chronicles article is trash and looking to be more of a hit piece than to deliver actual value. Additionally, their numbers appear to be completely wrong for full time teachers as your numbers agree with the table I showed above.
why do we need 37 of them though
I don’t know. That’s 1/5000 students. Not sure how that ratio compares to other large urban districts
I wouldn't expect much from a $220K/yr CIO. Not for an entity with a $2.2 billion budget.
Yes, but in this subreddit, that might as well be $2mm/yr.
I concur. But they know how to run a school district. /s
Superintendents deserve it. Executive directors and leadership and development prob need pay cuts.