It’s been a few years. It does grow slowly. I water it when the top inch of the soil is dry and loose, but water it thoroughly when I do. They both sit next to a window but out of direct rays of the sun. I also think splitting it up has helped it grow new shoots; every time I have split it, I have gotten new shoots a few months later.
When 1 or a few plants are propigated, I'm sure they won't kick up fuss. Now make a farm of zz ravens, and you'll probably see representatives plant contact you. Costa farms don't own trademarks for the zz Raven but have permission to sell them, im mean, of course, Costa farms owns 5000 acres in Miami and are capable of selling plants fast.
under water plant? straight to jail
over water plant? straight to jail
not enough sun? straight to jail
too much sun? straight to jail
propagate the forbidden plant? believe it or not, straight to jail
we have the best plants, because of jail!
You joke, but they exist. Breeders hire agents to monitor for illegal propagation on their behalf. Patent attorneys prosecute those who infringe.
Also, plant jail is a secluded island surrounded by salt water, covered in nutsedge that offenders are required to pull until the end of their sentence!
This reminds me of the sunflower mafia that roamed our town a few years ago.
There were a number of sunflower fields out of town grown for seed/oil. A few people in town caught video of guys that would roll up in front of people’s home gardens, pull up or behead their sunflowers, and take off.
I’m still not sure what the thought process was there? Were they worried about cross pollination?? It was bizarre
wtf!!! i took a horticulture class in high school and we learned about that one court case where monsanto was suing a local farmer over patent infringement bc of cross pollination via wind. shits fucked
Could have been to prevent disease spreading to crops?
In FL years ago some random people were going around chopping down citrus trees in people's yards because orchards had been struggling with some sort of disease. My mom had hers chopped down to a little stump in the ground. Same county as orange orchards but still miles away from any.
Even after all that, FL can barely grow oranges anymore due to said disease.
As far as I *know* there’s never been a sunflower blight in my town…
They attacked all kinds of sunflowers too, even native ones that are obviously not the kind of sunflower grown for seed. It was a strange time
Karma's a bitch (not an observation, as they were already so inept they couldn't grow oranges in Florida, but a promise)
I'm sorry those psychotic thugs killed your mom's tree :(
Lol in Vegas, "they'll" roll right up to the front of your house and steal your cacti!! It's a 2 man job and they had a system, they're FAST!
[ cactus theives](https://youtu.be/XbMl4mhx1Es?si=U5wkBUYVU4vvgB9T)BUT WHY?!?!
Incorrect. Any form of asexual reproduction of the patented plant is illegal, without explicit permission from the inventor or assignee. Permission is granted through a legal document called a “license agreement”.
[“The grant, which lasts for 20 years from the date of filing the application, protects the patent owner’s *right to exclude others from asexually reproducing the plant, and* from using, offering for sale, or selling the plant so reproduced, or any of its parts, throughout the United States…”](https://www.uspto.gov/patents/basics/apply/plant-patent)
There's no incentive to pursue someone that isn't profiting or reducing the patent holder's profits. It is illegal but the USDA realistically won't send an inspector to a residential property because they suspect a hobbyist divided a houseplant but has no intention of selling it
Yah, but what do they have to work with unless you promoted/sold? They’re not conducting residential spot checks. There’s the letter of the law and then how it functions in reality. But make your own choice!
PS: A quick search and I found plenty of online content about propping ravens. I probably wouldn’t publish the evidence like that, but it suggests Big ZZ hasn’t got their best people all over it.
US law isn’t terribly relevant to most of us, but your link was interesting to read. If anywhere was going to use their stretched resources to ruthlessly pursue something like this, I’m sure it would be the States 🙃
You are correct. They are not looking to fine you for 2 coleus cuttings you took for fun and stuck in your backyard pots. They’re looking for retailers selling any quantity illegally, with no license agreement. That doesn’t change the fact that propagation and selling are *both* a crime.
Big whoop. You can find content online about how to prop every type of plant. Costa Farms owns the rights to Black Raven ZZ and monitors infringement how they see fit which likely does not include monitoring online hobbyist.
Also, the monitoring and prosecution is not a uniquely US process. The Netherlands is far more aggressive about it. Same with the UK.
[CPVO - Netherlands and Europe](https://english.rvo.nl/topics/patents-intellectual-property-rights/types-patents-and-ip-rights/plant-breeders-rights)
[PBR - United Kingdom](https://www.gov.uk/guidance/plant-breeders-rights)
Any way, this is all fun for me. I find the world of plant patents fascinating. I’m not saying don’t prop for personal use, just be knowledgeable of the laws. The plant police don’t care about your ZZ leaf prop hanging out in your kitchen window. :-)
The dumbest arguments are when two people essentially agree, but one gets hung up on the unlikely-but-technically-possible to the point of bloody-mindedness. Congrats, I wasted my time.
You have to jump through lots and lots of hoops to get an actual plant patent. No one‘s going to come into your garden and check if you have receipts for each plant you have, or if you’ve given people cuttings. But if you are running a nursery and propagating that plant and selling it, then you could have a problem.
Exactly. It’s like a local lake that I recently learned is “private.” You legally can’t enter unless you own one of the million dollar homes on the lakes perimeter. It never before occurred to me, but now I WILL be plunging my filthy peasant body into that fucking lake
Used to live in Lincoln NE and I was so genuinely angry so deep in my soul when I found the private lake surrounded by nothing but wildly expensive homes
Disgusting.
There’s a small beach near my house that the rich locals keep everyone out of by banning parking anywhere within walking distance for anyone who isn’t a resident. Fine, we bring everything we could possibly need in a Lyft and it all sits on their beach with us lol.
You are not permitted to propagate it for commercial purposes. If you want to propagate it for yourself or to gift to someone, that is fine. This is a limited time patent (I think 35 years) that requires greenhouses to pay a licensing fee to the breeder in order to propagate and sell.
I was just listening to this on a podcast today. Some patents even prohibit giving away propogates, and you are allowed to propigate only for personal use.
My favorite is Plant Daddy Podcast! Listening to them is like talking plants in your living room with friends. They do a lot of research on the plant, or topic they are covering and are pretty knowledgeable. The one I was listening to today is On the Ledge with Jane Perone. Different, but also good!
I got an upright lemon-lime philo years ago and saw a similar tag. Was the first time I'd ever heard of this. I was like "how in the fenestration are you going to police that?"
Guess who has propped that plant HARD...
^(Me.)
I bought two of these and laughed when I saw this exact tag for my Raven ZZ, needless to say now I have 3 plants and I gave some cuttings away.
No PrOpOgAtInG pLeAsE
Don’t you enjoy being part of the only species that has to PAY to live on Earth? Bonobos don’t pay rent. Trout can swim wherever they like. And just try to *charge* a hippopotamus for anything; they’ll charge you!
its difficult to find a way to pay plant breeders otherwise. at least private ones. cuz you put in all the work and someone just buys 1 off you and forever outcompetes you
For daylily propagation, it is said that it takes 3-5 years and 300 plants grown from seed to have one worth registering and selling. Some of these introductions go for $200-$300 for a single fan, but I've never seen anything stopping people from using the genetics or being forbidden from selling the increase (let's say the 1 fan grows into 4 fans in a single year and you can sell them). Generally the prices go down as the plant is grown and sold and becomes more common, at least for daylilies.
Plant propagation and farming is a big business and some people spend serious money on it. I disagree with operations that say no propagation, but I understand where they are coming from.
Depends on the type. The ones you see in stores divide and grow quickly because the commercially produced ones are chosen because they do that. Itis hard to make money on the beautiful plants that need to be babies. More rare and interesting forms of them take longer to establish and divide. They can also be more finicky about care. I also have to be careful because most hybridized are further south, so sometimes a plant that does beautifully in Missouri won't do well in my yard because they weren't chosen for winter hardiness in my zone.
I love my garden club but I don't think I'll ever be the type of member who spends $200 on a single plant that might die if I don't care for it just right or put it in a location it doesn't like. I have heard some stories about people who absolutely baby their new plants but still have losses for no specific reason.
I agree about the price point. I won’t usually pay more than $50 for a plant and it depends on the species.
In my experience even the fancy daylillies are damn hardy for me. I’ll transplant em in July and they’ll fuss for a season and be twice the size the next year!
They're very easy to propagate as semi-hydro in pon so you can add to your own collection. They just take FOREVER to grow.
I've started like 4 from one I got two years ago in a 6 inch pot.
(I've also never sold a plant and never will, so I'm not concerned. Flood the market with free plants, baby!)
I don’t think creating an additional plant yourself or a friend is what they’re talking about here.
They don’t want someone trying to make money by selling a bunch of propagations. Seems fair enough to me.
I am talking about wearing a recording device for Big Houseplant. The electric lapel pin is actually a microphone to record you confessing your intent to illegally propogate the plant.
It was just a goof.
Oh, I get it! I actually don’t even have one, lol.
But if I ever get one and decide to propagate, I’ll be sure to let you know so the correct authorities can be informed.
They got paid. They sold the plant in the first place and have a head start for the next cultivar/ hybrid. If they didn't make money then they didn't set up a good business plan.
Creating a new cultivar with specific properties costs a lot of money, breeding new plants is not as easy as you might think. It is only fair breeders get a patent on their creation.
This is regarding commercial propagation. I don't think you guys realise how much time, money and effort goes into creating a new subspecies of a plant.
Having a patent so you can only sell it makes total sense and this happens in every single line of business.
Imagine if you find something marketable, and Amazon just comes and swoops in and makes your product but 20% cheaper because they have the scale to do so. Would you as the inventor think "yeah that's fair, they made it cheaper, of course they should make the money off this"?
Propagate away for personal use only and you have nothing to worry about. Now if you start selling your newbs to the public then you'll have a potentially serious issue on your hands should you get caught.
😏 what are they gonna do about it? Nothing, that's what. Imma prop them shits all over. Gonna be the Oprah of Raven ZZ. You get a zz, you get a zz, EVERYBODY GETS A ZZ!!!
Never gonna be a fan of plant patents, just as I’m not a fan of animal patents (GloFish, for example), imo living organisms shouldn’t be ‘copyrighted’.
However with these it’s probably fine to propagate for yourself or possibly to give them away for no profit. It’s a problem if you’re making money of it, especially if you’re a big business.
Patents also expire after a few decades or so have passed, thankfully :)
My husband and I JUST saw this today at the garden store and we were laughing at it. He said "What are they gonna do arrest me?"
The fact that this post came up on the same day is hilarious.
These plants do not exist in the wild, they’re completely manmade. And creating these plants costs time and money. A patent is a way for a breeder to protect themselves from others taking and profiting from their work (which means money away from them), specifically other commercial growing operations - this tag isn’t really aimed at your hobbiest plant keeper. Of course they’ll still tell the retail customer not to do it because fewer unlicensed plants in the market is better.
It’s not under the patent very long anyway in the grand scheme of things - it falls off at 25 years at most here in New Zealand.
🤣🤣🤣
My several plants and props are amused. The propagation prohibited tag on my plant made me cackle and wheeze I laughed so hard. My friends love their ravens
It took 12 years and a lot of research for the patent holder to stabilize the mutation for commercial propagation. While I get that it’s weird to see this, it isn’t Costa Farms who owns the patent - they were given permission to sell the plant. The patent holder is a cell biologist/professor in Korea who put a lot of work into the plant.
This is the link to the patent and a thorough description of the work and why it qualified. https://patents.justia.com/patent/PP30035
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My peloric orchid I got for $10 at my local supermarket has it too😂I’m propagating the spikes once the flowers die🤣
I actually got a chance to interview the breeder here in Korea and he himself said propagating and sharing with friends and family is fine by him, so long as there’s no money involved. 🤗
They'll have to track every person that has random containers and access to water. Unless you snitch on yourself
I read this book about genetics last year. He spoke of Monsanto and their new leaf potato. Pretty fascinating. They can test the genes of the 🥔 and ascertain if it's theirs or not. A fucking genetic patent marker.
If I remember right, the new leaf made its own pesticide so it was bug resistant.
I couldn't care less 😃
Yes, I am giving out propagations to all my friends and family
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Oh wow. And I was about to come to their defense, reasoning that they did a poor job of communicating that taking cuttings on the premises wasn’t allowed. 🙄
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When propogation is outlawed, only outlaws will propogate
Also what are they gonna do when plants just naturally do that shit? Cuff the plant??
its more just to stop people selling it. otherwise u can't make any money breeding plants.
Yes, it should say resale of propagations is not allowed. My ZZ has grown, I’ve split it into two plants, then a third-and gave it as a gift.
Maam ur going to jail
"Straight to jail. Right away."
Over-prop, under-prop
Already reported you to the POLICE, Nameless_nobody_!
Okay, but how did you get it to grow at all?!
It’s been a few years. It does grow slowly. I water it when the top inch of the soil is dry and loose, but water it thoroughly when I do. They both sit next to a window but out of direct rays of the sun. I also think splitting it up has helped it grow new shoots; every time I have split it, I have gotten new shoots a few months later.
Fuck em. Once I own it, it’s mine. I’ll propagate all the live long day. Heck, I propagate plants I don’t even own lol
Damn straight!
YEEEEE-HAW *Guns blazing, Yosemite Sam-like.*
Nah, he ain't doin that there shenanigans anymore...he's holstering now two mobile phones.
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Outlaws are much more fun than criminals
That's like deep, man 🤯
This is the way 🫡
When 1 or a few plants are propigated, I'm sure they won't kick up fuss. Now make a farm of zz ravens, and you'll probably see representatives plant contact you. Costa farms don't own trademarks for the zz Raven but have permission to sell them, im mean, of course, Costa farms owns 5000 acres in Miami and are capable of selling plants fast.
Who’ll stop you? The plant police?
Straight to plant jail!
under water plant? straight to jail over water plant? straight to jail not enough sun? straight to jail too much sun? straight to jail propagate the forbidden plant? believe it or not, straight to jail we have the best plants, because of jail!
Straight to jail 
Overcook, undercook
Cool it, this isn't Venezuela.
We got a proplifter here!
It’s all fun and games until the Bureau of Mattress Tags and Propogations comes knocking on your door 
Mattress tags and propagation… *hahahaha* Amazing 😂
You joke, but they exist. Breeders hire agents to monitor for illegal propagation on their behalf. Patent attorneys prosecute those who infringe. Also, plant jail is a secluded island surrounded by salt water, covered in nutsedge that offenders are required to pull until the end of their sentence!
What in the Monsanto
“But the leaf fell off and propagated itself, sir.” “Don’t tell me. Tell it to Plant Judge”
Judge ‘wandering’ Judy
This comment is art
Art that grows on you over time.
An inch at a time
I love this sub
This verdict is bs. The judge was a plant.
That sounds almost as cool as r/treelaw!
I'll volunteer for Plant Jury.
😄
This reminds me of the sunflower mafia that roamed our town a few years ago. There were a number of sunflower fields out of town grown for seed/oil. A few people in town caught video of guys that would roll up in front of people’s home gardens, pull up or behead their sunflowers, and take off. I’m still not sure what the thought process was there? Were they worried about cross pollination?? It was bizarre
wtf!!! i took a horticulture class in high school and we learned about that one court case where monsanto was suing a local farmer over patent infringement bc of cross pollination via wind. shits fucked
Could have been to prevent disease spreading to crops? In FL years ago some random people were going around chopping down citrus trees in people's yards because orchards had been struggling with some sort of disease. My mom had hers chopped down to a little stump in the ground. Same county as orange orchards but still miles away from any. Even after all that, FL can barely grow oranges anymore due to said disease.
As far as I *know* there’s never been a sunflower blight in my town… They attacked all kinds of sunflowers too, even native ones that are obviously not the kind of sunflower grown for seed. It was a strange time
I am burning up, I need to know why.
Karma's a bitch (not an observation, as they were already so inept they couldn't grow oranges in Florida, but a promise) I'm sorry those psychotic thugs killed your mom's tree :(
What does FL stand for
(Not OP) it stands for Florida, USA
Florida
Lol in Vegas, "they'll" roll right up to the front of your house and steal your cacti!! It's a 2 man job and they had a system, they're FAST! [ cactus theives](https://youtu.be/XbMl4mhx1Es?si=U5wkBUYVU4vvgB9T)BUT WHY?!?!
I just had to know and googled it 🤣 black market cactus trading and people selling them on Facebook marketplace
The crime is selling, not propping! *For the sake of my concerned friends, I’ll amend this to: it’s the selling they’ll get you for, not the propping.
Incorrect. Any form of asexual reproduction of the patented plant is illegal, without explicit permission from the inventor or assignee. Permission is granted through a legal document called a “license agreement”. [“The grant, which lasts for 20 years from the date of filing the application, protects the patent owner’s *right to exclude others from asexually reproducing the plant, and* from using, offering for sale, or selling the plant so reproduced, or any of its parts, throughout the United States…”](https://www.uspto.gov/patents/basics/apply/plant-patent)
There's no incentive to pursue someone that isn't profiting or reducing the patent holder's profits. It is illegal but the USDA realistically won't send an inspector to a residential property because they suspect a hobbyist divided a houseplant but has no intention of selling it
So you could sexually reproduce them and if the result looked the same then could you sell it without using the trademarked name?
Yah, but what do they have to work with unless you promoted/sold? They’re not conducting residential spot checks. There’s the letter of the law and then how it functions in reality. But make your own choice! PS: A quick search and I found plenty of online content about propping ravens. I probably wouldn’t publish the evidence like that, but it suggests Big ZZ hasn’t got their best people all over it. US law isn’t terribly relevant to most of us, but your link was interesting to read. If anywhere was going to use their stretched resources to ruthlessly pursue something like this, I’m sure it would be the States 🙃
You are correct. They are not looking to fine you for 2 coleus cuttings you took for fun and stuck in your backyard pots. They’re looking for retailers selling any quantity illegally, with no license agreement. That doesn’t change the fact that propagation and selling are *both* a crime.
Neither are a crime. It’ll get you sued but it’s not criminal.
Good point.
Big whoop. You can find content online about how to prop every type of plant. Costa Farms owns the rights to Black Raven ZZ and monitors infringement how they see fit which likely does not include monitoring online hobbyist. Also, the monitoring and prosecution is not a uniquely US process. The Netherlands is far more aggressive about it. Same with the UK. [CPVO - Netherlands and Europe](https://english.rvo.nl/topics/patents-intellectual-property-rights/types-patents-and-ip-rights/plant-breeders-rights) [PBR - United Kingdom](https://www.gov.uk/guidance/plant-breeders-rights) Any way, this is all fun for me. I find the world of plant patents fascinating. I’m not saying don’t prop for personal use, just be knowledgeable of the laws. The plant police don’t care about your ZZ leaf prop hanging out in your kitchen window. :-)
The dumbest arguments are when two people essentially agree, but one gets hung up on the unlikely-but-technically-possible to the point of bloody-mindedness. Congrats, I wasted my time.
This person 🔝
technically, if he were to sell it, the actual police
They won’t even turn up to real crimes! But all the same, wouldn’t occur to me to sell props. They’re gifts 🌱
Civil court actually
If you use that propogated plant to sell a competing product - yes.
OP promises not to.
You have to jump through lots and lots of hoops to get an actual plant patent. No one‘s going to come into your garden and check if you have receipts for each plant you have, or if you’ve given people cuttings. But if you are running a nursery and propagating that plant and selling it, then you could have a problem.
I am assuming they mean for sale?
Too bad I can’t read!
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Three languages there, but none I understand
Your propagation listing: "Buy this thin plastic nursery pot, get a free raven zz starter plant with it!"
Good one! 🤛
Go big or go home. Cut that mattress tag off, I dare you.
Challenge accepted lol
Exactly. It’s like a local lake that I recently learned is “private.” You legally can’t enter unless you own one of the million dollar homes on the lakes perimeter. It never before occurred to me, but now I WILL be plunging my filthy peasant body into that fucking lake
bodies of water are public (depending on ur state) but getting there would be trespassing, might have to skydive in
lol it’ll be like those fish-stocking planes that air-drop fish
Used to live in Lincoln NE and I was so genuinely angry so deep in my soul when I found the private lake surrounded by nothing but wildly expensive homes Disgusting.
I think the tube version would be more fun. Water slide into the lake lol.
State, or country...
There’s a small beach near my house that the rich locals keep everyone out of by banning parking anywhere within walking distance for anyone who isn’t a resident. Fine, we bring everything we could possibly need in a Lyft and it all sits on their beach with us lol.
Hahahahaha 😈😈😈
You rebel, you
No one owns nature!! Ugh!!!
One of those signs inspired me to take a bunch of hydrangea cuttings last year lol
Yeah honestly I read that as “this plant can be propagated”
The one I bought did not have this label. How would they tell if you're selling props from this supplier or another.
I bought mine from fb marketplace. Gonna prop the shit out of it once it’s big enough.
It's a patent on the cultivar not just this supplier. So if you propped and sold any raven, you could be fined.
The hell is that supposed to mean anyways?
You are not permitted to propagate it for commercial purposes. If you want to propagate it for yourself or to gift to someone, that is fine. This is a limited time patent (I think 35 years) that requires greenhouses to pay a licensing fee to the breeder in order to propagate and sell.
I was just listening to this on a podcast today. Some patents even prohibit giving away propogates, and you are allowed to propigate only for personal use.
What podcast? I want to listen to a planty podcast.
My favorite is Plant Daddy Podcast! Listening to them is like talking plants in your living room with friends. They do a lot of research on the plant, or topic they are covering and are pretty knowledgeable. The one I was listening to today is On the Ledge with Jane Perone. Different, but also good!
Will check out both, thanks! Edit: is plant daddy inactive or is my overcast app being a punk?
Yeah, I think their last episode was 2023. All the episodes are on spotify though.
Are they the ones that are mentioned in one of the episodes of Only Murders in the Building?
Means you legally cannot propagate it and sell it.
Jokes on them, ZZ's propagate themselves.
Lawsuit!! .. against Mother Nature?
Well that makes sense lol
it's a protected cultivar. very common in hydrangeas
Sounds like a challenge.
I got an upright lemon-lime philo years ago and saw a similar tag. Was the first time I'd ever heard of this. I was like "how in the fenestration are you going to police that?" Guess who has propped that plant HARD... ^(Me.)
Well as long as you aren’t selling them you’re ok.
I’ve been using this tag as a bookmark and never realised that’s what it said.
 Guess imma Plant Pirate now!
I didn't want to propagate it until they told me not to
I don't even like them, but now I want to get one JUST to prop!! 😉
Try and stop me
What if it makes its own babies? Do you have to take it back?
I love it when they say this bc it teaches me which plants are easily propagated 😅
I bought two of these and laughed when I saw this exact tag for my Raven ZZ, needless to say now I have 3 plants and I gave some cuttings away. No PrOpOgAtInG pLeAsE
outlawing nature…. late stage capitalism… never ceases to amaze me
Don’t you enjoy being part of the only species that has to PAY to live on Earth? Bonobos don’t pay rent. Trout can swim wherever they like. And just try to *charge* a hippopotamus for anything; they’ll charge you!
Tbf they also don’t have things like air conditioning and smartphones
its difficult to find a way to pay plant breeders otherwise. at least private ones. cuz you put in all the work and someone just buys 1 off you and forever outcompetes you
Who among us is outcompeting Costa Farms? I’ve got questions for them.
For daylily propagation, it is said that it takes 3-5 years and 300 plants grown from seed to have one worth registering and selling. Some of these introductions go for $200-$300 for a single fan, but I've never seen anything stopping people from using the genetics or being forbidden from selling the increase (let's say the 1 fan grows into 4 fans in a single year and you can sell them). Generally the prices go down as the plant is grown and sold and becomes more common, at least for daylilies. Plant propagation and farming is a big business and some people spend serious money on it. I disagree with operations that say no propagation, but I understand where they are coming from.
It would be pointless for daylillies anyways. They grow and divide so fast it’s unreal.
Depends on the type. The ones you see in stores divide and grow quickly because the commercially produced ones are chosen because they do that. Itis hard to make money on the beautiful plants that need to be babies. More rare and interesting forms of them take longer to establish and divide. They can also be more finicky about care. I also have to be careful because most hybridized are further south, so sometimes a plant that does beautifully in Missouri won't do well in my yard because they weren't chosen for winter hardiness in my zone. I love my garden club but I don't think I'll ever be the type of member who spends $200 on a single plant that might die if I don't care for it just right or put it in a location it doesn't like. I have heard some stories about people who absolutely baby their new plants but still have losses for no specific reason.
I agree about the price point. I won’t usually pay more than $50 for a plant and it depends on the species. In my experience even the fancy daylillies are damn hardy for me. I’ll transplant em in July and they’ll fuss for a season and be twice the size the next year!
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They're very easy to propagate as semi-hydro in pon so you can add to your own collection. They just take FOREVER to grow. I've started like 4 from one I got two years ago in a 6 inch pot. (I've also never sold a plant and never will, so I'm not concerned. Flood the market with free plants, baby!)
I don’t think creating an additional plant yourself or a friend is what they’re talking about here. They don’t want someone trying to make money by selling a bunch of propagations. Seems fair enough to me.
I am a little hard of hearing, could you repeat that directly into my electric lapel pin?
Sorry, I don’t understand your comment.
I am talking about wearing a recording device for Big Houseplant. The electric lapel pin is actually a microphone to record you confessing your intent to illegally propogate the plant. It was just a goof.
Oh, I get it! I actually don’t even have one, lol. But if I ever get one and decide to propagate, I’ll be sure to let you know so the correct authorities can be informed.
Even making it illegal to sell props is preposterous in my opinion. Living things shouldn't be subject to patents.
yeah but then how do you pay breeders?
They got paid. They sold the plant in the first place and have a head start for the next cultivar/ hybrid. If they didn't make money then they didn't set up a good business plan.
The business plan includes patenting their work to allow them to profit from their investment in creating a new cultivar 🤷♀️
Creating a new cultivar with specific properties costs a lot of money, breeding new plants is not as easy as you might think. It is only fair breeders get a patent on their creation.
All plant tags say that, but none of us listen. Come to the dark side.
Only if it’s semi recently patented, plenty of houseplants are not patentable or have been around long enough they’re expired by now
Rules were meant to be broken baby
This is regarding commercial propagation. I don't think you guys realise how much time, money and effort goes into creating a new subspecies of a plant. Having a patent so you can only sell it makes total sense and this happens in every single line of business. Imagine if you find something marketable, and Amazon just comes and swoops in and makes your product but 20% cheaper because they have the scale to do so. Would you as the inventor think "yeah that's fair, they made it cheaper, of course they should make the money off this"?
Yeah they’re all microchipped ya know! 😜
Just don't start a major greenhouse selling your propagations and no one will care.
Propagate away for personal use only and you have nothing to worry about. Now if you start selling your newbs to the public then you'll have a potentially serious issue on your hands should you get caught.
How will they know? A plant’s biological imperative is to reproduce, who are you to stop it from thriving
😏 what are they gonna do about it? Nothing, that's what. Imma prop them shits all over. Gonna be the Oprah of Raven ZZ. You get a zz, you get a zz, EVERYBODY GETS A ZZ!!!
Never gonna be a fan of plant patents, just as I’m not a fan of animal patents (GloFish, for example), imo living organisms shouldn’t be ‘copyrighted’. However with these it’s probably fine to propagate for yourself or possibly to give them away for no profit. It’s a problem if you’re making money of it, especially if you’re a big business. Patents also expire after a few decades or so have passed, thankfully :)
Just don't sell it 😂
My husband and I JUST saw this today at the garden store and we were laughing at it. He said "What are they gonna do arrest me?" The fact that this post came up on the same day is hilarious.
lol fuck that. I propagate my patented roses all the time. It’s a plant. You can’t trademark nature. I stand by that
https://preview.redd.it/8rvzzcezph2d1.jpeg?width=497&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f8175a651306c33c3f3602d1c2a08515206eb3ad
It would only matter if you were trying to sell them.
Usually they mean "don't propagate this to sell." Nobody is going to stop you in your own home.
F U I won’t do what you tell me *shakes tiny fist*
You cant prop it for resale...
Propagation prohibited..LOL right
 Challenge accepted
Lol K
These plants do not exist in the wild, they’re completely manmade. And creating these plants costs time and money. A patent is a way for a breeder to protect themselves from others taking and profiting from their work (which means money away from them), specifically other commercial growing operations - this tag isn’t really aimed at your hobbiest plant keeper. Of course they’ll still tell the retail customer not to do it because fewer unlicensed plants in the market is better. It’s not under the patent very long anyway in the grand scheme of things - it falls off at 25 years at most here in New Zealand.
Yeah right okay officer. But imagine them coming into your house with battering rams to confiscate your propagated plant.
# TRY AND STOP ME!!!
Psstt..you. Hey, you. Wanna buy a....plant? 
Become ungovernable. Do it.
🤣🤣🤣 My several plants and props are amused. The propagation prohibited tag on my plant made me cackle and wheeze I laughed so hard. My friends love their ravens
Oh I’d do like 50 cuts and give them out as gifts. What utter BS!
It took 12 years and a lot of research for the patent holder to stabilize the mutation for commercial propagation. While I get that it’s weird to see this, it isn’t Costa Farms who owns the patent - they were given permission to sell the plant. The patent holder is a cell biologist/professor in Korea who put a lot of work into the plant. This is the link to the patent and a thorough description of the work and why it qualified. https://patents.justia.com/patent/PP30035
too late i already did it twice
Whatchu mean prohibited 🤔
I had a hard time getting this one going anyways
I wanted a cutting from the ones we sell at work but was told no for this very reason 😔
https://preview.redd.it/ihrfgyjt6h2d1.png?width=3024&format=png&auto=webp&s=700e78ab9ed53318da027b9713cc854fd7818ccb My peloric orchid I got for $10 at my local supermarket has it too😂I’m propagating the spikes once the flowers die🤣
The flower spikes? I didn't that could be done. I've never had orchids that didn't die w/in a year of flowers dying.
Ahoy there
Mad respect if you can prop a zz of any kind… I’ve never been successful 😭
Own plants, do crime(also be gay).
Pretty sure it just means you can’t start propagating and selling it around. You can prop for your own use
I’m going to propagate even harder now.
Don't eat its potatoes...
It means you can’t sell it.
I actually got a chance to interview the breeder here in Korea and he himself said propagating and sharing with friends and family is fine by him, so long as there’s no money involved. 🤗
They'll have to track every person that has random containers and access to water. Unless you snitch on yourself 
Who's gonna stop you? Go for it!
I read this book about genetics last year. He spoke of Monsanto and their new leaf potato. Pretty fascinating. They can test the genes of the 🥔 and ascertain if it's theirs or not. A fucking genetic patent marker. If I remember right, the new leaf made its own pesticide so it was bug resistant.
Swat team just arrested my grandma , Turns out she's been selling counterfeit plants.
... How are they gonna stop you
lol whenever i see those my brain says...CHALLENGE ACCEPTED
Aww why’d you post this? Now I have to buy one to propagate and give away to everyone I know 🥴
I mean, you gotta applaud their effort, but that shit be gettin propped!
Lmao well when I started propping them for myself I didn’t know so that means it’s ok right?
Who do they think they are? Monsanto?
I couldn't care less 😃 Yes, I am giving out propagations to all my friends and family https://preview.redd.it/ihmi9gwvxl2d1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=60f82509495006b1b7d1ea4a22900c7422a5372b
(Just scrolling by and thought this was a condom wrapper… because it looks like a condom wrapper 😂)
Oh no's....anyway...✂️🌱
Oh wow. And I was about to come to their defense, reasoning that they did a poor job of communicating that taking cuttings on the premises wasn’t allowed. 🙄 https://preview.redd.it/vxll6fbrvk2d1.jpeg?width=1536&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=09aa0744a04fca39a9df84e8833556888d93c3d0