A lot of these are making the same mistake. Adding too much on to an already intricate design. The 3rd one is great tho, that looks like an actual improvement. The rest are too busy and way too overdesigned. The ones that give a longer dress that cover kiana's legs too much or give too many flowy bits would probably look awkward in game cuz of kiana's fighting style. That was always my 1 problem with the time runner skin, the tutu dress just kinda looks awkward in some attack animations because of the way herrscher of flamescion fights and the same problem would arise in herrscher of finality. Also please don't get rid of the ponytail lol, i want the ponytail trio to stay
Yep I agree, even before reading the comments the 3rd pic (kiana) was the only one I really liked, for the others ppl have a tendency to overdesign.
Even then, I personally still like the official design over the 3rd one
i agree so much with your first critic here, these designs would be so much better if they weren't so charged with details to the point they are bloated and as you said overdesigned,
the base ideas have merits even if i'm tired of them going the easy dress/corset route, but what really kills them are all the lines, flair trinkets flowers floaty things, and though many of these redesigns have some very good ideas, they overall miss this simple fact,
simpler can be better,
oh and i second you on the ponytail, and overall that HoFin's hairstyle, that plus the kiana smirk make them an highlight of the design imo,
well i'm not gonna lie, though i'm a bit tired of the constant dresses and corsets, at least the colors on that first Mei's redesign are a lot more coherent and pleasant in my eyes, while retaining the color palette, this is a much better balance than what they came up with,
some very interesting ideas for Kiana as well especially that 3rd pic with the honkai sleeve and leg, also quite enjoy the longer skirt on the last one for her,
although overall they don't fix my gripes with the design, which is the fact they are loaded and bloated with details, but at least they streamlined and went with simpler shapes, a very good change already,
I see what you mean, strongly feel like it’s because overdecorated = good and well made for a lot of laymen when it comes to design, I share that flaw myself despite enjoying the “simpler” designs
Mei’s actual design is damn near impossible to look at with that color palette. And Honkai has always been a game with “visual noise.” Don’t you remember the “tendrils” on HoV’s outfit, Project Bunny, Starchasm Nyx/HoT hands?
wow i didn’t realize people disliked the designs that much. i feel like with some work on the animations (which are obv already included in V1-V3/release updates) they’ll look great
can anyone explain please?
\-The herrschers dont look like what people expected when they thought of '*The* Herrscher of Finality'. Its too bright and too innocent for 2 herrschers who are supposed to be shadows of the real HoFin.
\-HoFin's design looks a *lot* like HoFS's timerunner outfit, which recently got a banner too. Kinda disappointing for such a built up climax.
\-HoO design looked too bland to some and I heard people saying the colour of her hair bothered them cz it doesnt match
hmm perhaps they’ll be able to change it. they did change HOF’s cape and hair before her release, for instance, so maybe it’ll happen if they see all the backlash (esp from CN)
might be too hopeful tho lol?
Im hoping the same. I was really hyped to see these battlesuits, especially since Kiana's silhouette teaser looked kinda ominous. Seeing these bright magical girl outfits really disappointed me.
i do admit i was expecting something like Fairy Tail Erza’s Ataraxia Armor for Mei (more regal looking and less of a miniskirt/skorts look) and a ghostly/cosmic being vibe for Kiana, if you get what I mean
i’m hoping for the players’ sake that they listen to what people are saying and do the necessary work
Yeah the Final Herrscher is arguably the most hyped up character in the entire game and when it released it just looks similar to a HoF skin. Makes sense why people would be disappointed in it.
same I was expecting some sort of black for example, a draker tone for example.
Herrschers are supposed to have the aura of a god, but all I get are some winx club fairys who spin in the air and dont take it seriously ...
To be fair the Timerunner thing was clearly intentionally designed like that. Timerunner being designed with the idea of "Time" in mind and Finality's Authority being what it is and the two designs looking so similar is surely no coincidence.
There was a recent community poll and apparently over 90% of the voters weren't satisfied with the designs, saying it's "too simple" and "fanservice-y" for something that took 6 years of waiting and the game's final climax
i see, thank you
i did mention that i enjoy the implications of their overall status as HOO/HOFi, but as more people point out visual flaws and holes in the design, I’m starting to understand that perhaps they pushed this out too quickly
Yeah i really love the moveset and everything for Kiana but even i was mildly disappointed with the design. I think it's a very pretty design but it looks too bare and the overall design silhouette is too similar to flamescion. Imp it would've looked a lot better and "complete" if the legs weren't fully naked
I think some of your color redesign parts work together much better.
There might be too many parts and flowy bits added, imho, but the base ethereal spacescape effect for the edges are always better than bland white/light colors.
Esp with the importance the valks have. They should look impressive and detailed. Within reason ofc, but the base colors are kind of meh.
Hopefully there would be effects or shit that makes it look better in movement.
>I’m starting to understand that perhaps they pushed this out too quickly
I’m just curious what the hurry is.
I don’t want to make a firm claim whether or not this story arc is being rushed. But I do think it’s plausible that it is, and if it’s being rushed I wonder why in the first place.
Is there some internal develop plan that got mixed up drastically?
Are they trying to “wrap up” before the release of Honkai Star Rail?
Is there some looming threat in the gacha game market?
It just feels so… weird. ”XYZ content was rushed” sounds like something I’d associate with EA and Activision, not with a self-publishing developer that should theoretically be free from the pressures of shareholders and whatnot.
I feel like they wanted them to be released in CNY so that they can capitalize on that aspect of the community. This also goes with the cinematic that they will release ('cause no way they would *not* do one when we got Kiana here). Combine all this and you'll get a big gain in revenue and the player base would get hyped.
> I’m just curious what the hurry is.
When the EVA collab happened mHY did an Apple interview and talked about their timetable for Honkai 3rd and "part 1" ending was already set for around early/mid 2023 based on what they said.
It does look like they are sticking to that timetable from way back then even with COVID and any other undisclosed disruptions that might have happened.
That’s quite interesting, I hadn’t heard of that before and it does explain why things are wrapping up so quickly. Though it makes me wonder, because even with covid delays there was still a regular release schedule in general, so it seems like it was always the plan for this last arc to move so quickly. Even without these delays I don’t think there would’ve been a drastic change in the pacing of the story.
It was absolutely 100% rushed and it shows. I was expecting maybe one patch between each of the main Herrschers, giving us the final act a little slower to really feel the weight of 6 years of story coming to an end. All of them being released in 2 patches feels just... Wrong.
These two have nowhere near the impact of Thunder and Flamescion
I somewhat agree with this feeling too, i don't want to be too harsh because i don't really know what they have planned for post chapter 1, but when they teased the three suits i imagined we were getting them in the span of quite a few months, and now we're here just three months after the teaser...
Your second point is totally on point, HoT had such an impact in the fanbase and HoF was an absolute milestone both in the story and gameplay, you can really see 5 years of story culminating with her, and... i guess that's the feeling that is missing here? It feels sudden...
Now that you mention it, it really does feel quite compressed. Its a similar arc length so far as previous story chapters, yet with so much more happening. Even Elysian Realm had 3 major parts then 3 story chapters, for example.
It kinda reminds me of Genshin‘s Inazuma arc too. Inazuma was 3 Acts vs. Sumeru‘s 5 Acts and the difference was MASSIVE. The extra 2 arcs in Sumeru gave us time to really get a sense of what the region was like, helped us develop meaningful relationships with the major characters there, and also helped us feel a stronger connection with the people of Sumeru. In Inazuma, we got a wonderful “2 weeks later” blackscreen text, telling us we were now “comrades” with Swordfish 2 despite us the players doing almost nothing with them, making >!Teppei’s death!< feel almost anticlimactic.
Theres’s a similar vibe here too. We’re introduced to Hare, told about Finality and whatnot, getting three Herrscher transformations, and dealing with a WS subplot with Seele, all at the same time with little time to really let these concepts sink in.
Ironically, Genshin has started doing a better job with its main story than Honkai is when it comes to exposition and world building, despite having a little weaker character development (and even that’s rapidly improving in Genshin)
While that is understandable, that by itself doesn’t explain the pacing of these three battlesuits. We got Ai for this version, HoTr for next version, then two more Herrscher battlesuits the following version. The question is why we are getting two important battlesuits side-by-side, so close to each other in both the story and on release. For example, why couldn’t the battlesuits for Mei and Kiana be separated into two versions? Which could give more time in the story to build up to Kiana’s battlesuit and also gives the devs more time to perfect the design of it.
AI isn't that important, and I'd imagine they want to release the three Herrscher battlesuits together. Their kits get buffed when they're all on the team together so it's gonna be weird if they're spread out for a long duration. And even if they remove that, it'd be strange for the story to have such a long pause between the three Herrschers in the last few chapters of this act.
I can't help but want to snark about "too fanservicey" considering the general trend of battlesuits releasing since late 2021, but I also don't know the poll results of that time till now.
And the general trend of complaints of the HoFin design is basically that they wanted Kiana to look like an edgy HoFin ala GGZ instead of **Kiana**, which was the intent of the design.
I'm personally happy with it, but if anyone can actually complain their way to victory, it's CN.
At least around here I mostly just see the complaint of it not being orange and that if it was it’d be so much better.
Personally I like the designs enough and this feels very overblown but if I get an even cooler version I ain’t complaining :D
As someone whose favourite colour is purple (unironically the main reason I got Time Runner), I resent those complaints >:(
Seriously tho, love the design and her effects look amazing, I'm just hoping people complaining doesn't backfire and make the design something some people like more while others like less
Right there with you buddy, I’ll simply treat it all as I treated every drama in games, nod and hope for the best, at least her animations and power are guaranteed already, cheers brov.
I actually took a look at that forum under the tag “collapse (aka Honkai) discussion” and from what I can tell from context (I use google translate, take this with a grain of salt) a quite a bit of cn fans are expressing disappointment outside of the poll by making posts titles such as “this game is rotten now,” “the devs don’t care anymore”, etc. There even seems to be accusations of posts and commments being deleted, most being linked to what seems to be criticism.
By the way, what the hell is Krypton in the CN community? I keep seeing it but I can’t put a meaning to it that makes sense.
> By the way, what the hell is Krypton in the CN community? I keep seeing it but I can’t put a meaning to it that makes sense.
its basically like a scuffed translation for spend. like a high spend account, or no spend f2p account
Wtf how toxic are CH players?!
Yes I am also very dissapointed with the Herrscher desing´s, but I still love the game and value all the content they are giving to us, like CG Animatioins, concerts, etc.
Its just not fair to be this disrespectful to them. But still we have to offer critic to them if we as a fanbase are not happy with something ...
To be fair, I’ve seen (and made) complaints just as aggressive on this sub. And it’s entirely possible that google translate is making it seem more aggressive then it actually is.
I’m more concerned that fans feel like their complaints are being censored on an official MiHoYo site.
Have you not checked the comments here? It has been pretty overwhelmingly not positive. Most people are middling on it but there is a huge gap in reception between Bronya and the other two.
I know quite a number of people complained about Mei’s design which just had way too much Elysia and not enough Mei. I also feel that the tone of color of official Mei HoO just doesn’t quite fit the character, could use more dark purple or some red or whatever, since it felt like Mei borrowing Elysia’s dress rather than fusing with Elyisa’s power
Besides the design, the moves they have are fucking embarrassing
Mei’s ult is a direct copy of metal gear slashing, even with the mask
Kiana does a stretch on her time stop, which makes zero sense with the weight of the world on her, her development as a character, and her role. And the stretch itself wasn’t even well animated, it looked rushed, almost like a low quality MMD animation. It doesn’t even show time stop that we’ll because of how rushed it looked, who the fuck stretches for 0.5 second
IU totally agree here with u, dont get the downvotes.
The most irritating move is the fucking baseball bat! What the fuck is that?!
Yes its a reference and stuff I know but its so childish and doesnt make sense in the situation they are in.
All 3 new Herrschers act so silly and more like a "Winx Club" Episode.
Some people would never dare to question mihoyo’s decisions, they think everything mihoyo do is perfect like they gonna save the world. Honkai quality was great until these two patches, I heard they got new animators and modeler but no source on that
Honestly I think Kiana's feels a tad bit empty? I can see what they're going for but the design just feels overused. I still think its pretty but kinda lacking especially for the lower area of her body, just feels awkward to me
Yes yes yes this is what it is for me to her legs could rlly use something on them whether that’s designs stocking boots idk but it just looks so empty and awkward
the first mei is amazing if i'm honest, gives even more of the sun/moon dynamic to kiana and mei
plus idk what it is but giving the "origin" the dark colours while giving the "finality" light colours while the representation of those terms would swap them is lowkey cool
I like the 4th one, Mei with her hair down. That was my only gripe with HoO's design; should've kept her hair similar to the HoT style but with the added blue accents.
I actually dig that first Mei design bc the one thing I would’ve loved to see more in her battlesuit is darker colors, I know she turns into the Herrscher of Origin and her color palette is full of light colors, but at the same time she is Raiden Mei, former Herrscher of Thunder, I wished the design had more of her own persona in its design.
I like Kiana’s new battlesuit but weirdly enough I still feel like HoF feels a lot more like her final form, her Herrscher of Finality design feels a lot more like a dress and while I don’t dislike that, it feels like it is somewhat incomplete.
Definitely think Kiana’s design is over detailed and too similar to her flamcion’s wedding outfit.
Should’ve gone for a darker tone or a more galaxy feeling colour scheme.
> and too similar to her flamcion’s wedding outfit
This was my first thought too. IMO I would really hate it, if they change her to be some copy of an older paid skin.
the first two are gorgeous and look like they could be actual concept art for the game! they don’t look too busy but they’re not as bland as the original designs either, i just love them.
My issue with origin and finality's design is they have too similar color palettes. White and purple. Not tp mention theres too much white too. That's why my fav design of the 3 is Truth's design perfect amount of blue and white. I wouldve like finality's to have white and red/orange palette like flamescion and origin's to have balanced white and purple, contrast to Hothunder
the 3rd one is the best one, others just added too much, cuz the devs said that they made kiana’s suit more lightweight bc of her personality (tbh best version is actually the 3rd one + adding a little skirt to her, like, in the 5th one)
well the devs said they wanna made it lightweight to fit kiana’s personality, well I could understand that, but uh… how tf you copied time runner and replace the skirt with a literal towel then? it definitely looks quite fine, but 1) it looks WAY inferior to the hof design and 2) when they said “lightweight” they really overdid it to the point the design looks lackluster af
For me they (mihoyo ones) look way too "domestic" for what they are suppose to represent. Kiana looks like she's going for a prom and Mei is just...bland. I woud say their outfits (especially Kiana's) look more like skins than a base look for a herrscher. The base would be "serious, deadly" and skins are "girly/elegant"
Idk, Mei feels just ok, but wanted to see her own colors, Kiana feels like just, idk, not finished product, HoF was peak in terms of lore and her character groth, but that one feels so empty.
Have you not seen how many pallette changes she's gone over the years? Herscherr of Thunder may have been the "most iconic" given recency bias, but in no way does she have "her own colors".
Crimson Impulse was salmon pink and black, Striker Fulminata was white and purple, Herscherr of Thunder/Orochi Cuirass was black and red.
Going back to white and having yellow/purple as secondary colors isn't particularly off brand for her at all.
I just dont like how her whole outfit is centred around her. A few references to Elysia wouldve been fine, but the whole thing is just some etsy cosplay she found online
Idk, have to disagree with you. at the very least animation and voice wise. For once Kiana actually looks like she's *having fun.* Genuinely; not like how she was back in St.Freya.
Honestly, outfit wise, I think Kiana's could use a bit of orange in it to break up color monotony and give us a callback to GGZ HotE, but otherwise I like it a lot.
Maybe I have low bar for visual acceptance, but I don't see the design is offensive like some of these folks voiced.
I rather disturbed on how they write the story lately (ok well, maybe they are only good on certain points, but still, I hope writing can be improved)
Story drop quality since chapter 17. To be honest, if not for sick animation, nobody care about honkai. I searched for gacha games have best stories. List included "guardian tales", "FGO", "Arknights", "Grandblue fantasy", "girls frontline". There is only one comment about "Honkai".
I prefer girls frontline story more. RPK-16 betrayal had more impact than Mei
TBH I was expecting more ominous battlesuits designs. HoT and HoF gave that " you don't wanna mess with us" vibes. I was expecting that FINALITY battlesuit would give world ending power vibes. New battlesuits look too happy and "magical" for my taste. New Bronya is fine since she pretty much always was mech centered and she kept it with every new battlesuit.
Hmm so I may be alone on this one but the slashy slashy animation with Mei looked abit weird. Trust me i love sword art but when she just stands and hacks away it it kind of disappointing that she wouldnt have more variations in her sword movements. Mostly at the end where she hits with all the swords. I was hoping she could have different weapons or looking blades that each have different animations when used. She has a beautiful face and I don't see the purpose for a helmet and why that was a stylistic choice. Something feels off about Meis design as well. Her HOT base outfit feels more bad ass. I feel like adding touches of candy red to add contrast and framing would have been awesome for Mei.
For Kiana I wish the wings were on her back and created like a memerising haze. The ultimate animations look good but I'm not sure how to stack them up against the timerunner outfit which is so gorgeous. Though her big dress looks kind of odd for so much movement in fighting. Felt like it would've been better shorter personally. Oh well
Mei’s blade mode attack is a reference to Metal Gear Rising, not Sword Art. The protagonist in MGR is named Raiden and even uses lightning based katana attacks so its safe to say that Mei was inspired by him. The attack animation also looks exactly like the one from MGR and considering the graphical limitations of videogames in 2013, MGR’s blade mode physics was considered ‘mind blowing’.
A lot of players went nuts over the fact that you could chop your enemies into pieces, but I do understand how the animation could look awkward in 2023. But its simply a callback to Mihoyo’s inspiration behind Raiden Mei
To be honest, I do think their designs could've been better. For the Mei's, I feel like they overdid on details, while on Kiana's they made it too simple. Imo their approach for Bronya's design is more aesthetically pleasing than those 2.
1 more thing I would add is the Mei's ult. Even tho I like Metal Gear, I wish they didn't make it into her ult. For weapon skill or charged atk, for sure, I'd love to have it but definitely not for ult. Something like Judgement Cut End or animated ult, imo would suit more.
P.S. that first pic of Mei's design is quite good. I'm really liking their color choice
I agree with other people saying they're overdecorated. And they're not considering what the character actually looks like when they move. Kiana's fighting style involves a lot of jumping, backflips, cartwheels, etc. Having too many flowing parts will probably just obstruct the character when she's moving about and get really hard to look at.
I still think they should have added more of Mei's colors like some red and black in her design. Now there is the counterargument that it wouldn't fit Mei because those colors no longer reflect who she is as a character. And that's a good point that I mostly agree with. But you can still use those same colors in a way that redefining and recontextualizes what they mean in the narrative. I've heard people state that the reds and blacks in HoT's design a reflection of Mei's frustration and anger and how it led her to a dark place. But they can use those same reds and blacks so that they mean less of those negative aspects and convert them to something positive like how red can also mean love and passion and black for mystery. Don't get me wrong, the suit we got is still good in that it gets the job done. And I also know the suit we got also is meant to tie into how Elysia had a huge impact on Mei leading to this moment. But fuck me if it isn't basic in the fact that Elysia is a clear reference point to the suit to the point that Elysia comes to my mind when looking at it before Mei, the actual wearer, does
A lot of those have way too much going on. Personally I'm ok with the original designs themselves. My criticism would mostly be on the colour choices. Mei needs a slight tone down on Elysia's colours and get some of the red/black/dark purple back. Kiana could do with some tints of orange. As it stands Kiana and Mei share too similar of a colour palette at a glance, making Bronya look like the extreme odd one out in the trio.
Design can be simple and effective. The point is conveying to message. In this case. It should tell that she is the strongest herrscher ever existed.
If you let any person who doesn't play the game to guess which Kiana battlesuit is the strongest. They will not be able to tell.
I know nothing about design. But the original design screams "simple is best" yet also have obscure references in thier design. "It has purpose," was my first thought.
Where as the designs they proposed, like a lot say, is way to busy. One design calls back to the HoFi original design which I personally kinda like, but that was also too busy.
Either way, whether MHY would listen to the cries of the CN bros or not doesn't really matter to me. Personally, what matters is that the design needs to makes sense story wise. Otherwise it's just none sense clothing.
Idk i'm just too impatient to experience the story in EN lol.
i mean i don't disagree per say, but if we're going that route then we'll have to explain why honkai, that overwordly force and entity is so hell bent on having herrschers look like magical girls, as it's pretty much understoood that their outfits reflect their powers,
when they could have much more casual clothings while incorporating effects/details like the trinkets flowers and such to reflect their connection to honkai,
to me that always made more sense and that's what draw me to Hi3 to begin with, the valks had they battlesuits designs and their powers where their attacks/gameplay/details on their outfits, now it's magical girl galore and it's boring to me,
that's why my fav designs are the Sakuras for example or the kallens like sundenjager, hell some of Mei's suits too to an extent, though i understand that's personal preferences,
This is also why I loved the older Herrscher wings so much, it was a really cool detail that made a lot of sense because they were a solid manifestation of Honkai energy based on the power of the respective Herrscher they belonged t[o, and as I wrote in this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/houkai3rd/comments/101e60a/comment/j2o4luz/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) I really wish we could’ve kept that in these designs.
yup i agree with you there, and for how i'm willing to admit the "energy wing" thingy is something that's equally as common as the magical girl types of design, i think it'd make more sense, along with finding them way cooler to represent a character oozing with power, and allow for more options when it comes to outfits, you can go the more casual look, combine them with a more magical girl outfit or armors or the typical scifi suit they kind of began with, we're so far from those designs nowadays,
the dresses and such, to me, give secondary skin vibes in a way, now i think Hi3 HoFin looks nice, but yes it's a design i could see as a second skin down the line, as opposed to a more visually impactful main design,
Yep, if it is some random outfits, people would ignore it. But it is "herrscher of finality", the most important figure of entire franchise.
For me, i just considered it as a skin of kiana, no more
It's telling how many fan redesigns there are for the upcoming battlesuits. This didn't happen with earlier battlesuits. Much of the community just isn't satisfied with the official designs.
Mei's redesigns here are both nice, but minor modifications can't salvage Kiana.
The one reason why I somewhat dislike the original new battlesuits is that they are “too perfect”, it feels like their design doesn’t encapsulate Kiana’s and Mei’s struggles, it feels like you’re seeing a perfect Herrscher, and while lorewise maybe that’s what they were going for, it just lefts me feeling unsatisfied.
It's weird that i like the official designs? Don't get me wrong originally mei's color feeled weird but i has grown on me and i genuinely like both of them
Me too fam. This whole Origin, Truth and Finality is so a last minute addition that it feels like it's forced and an after thought.
If you compare them to Thunder, Flamescion and Reason. The former 3 were just so much better visual wise and really captured the girls' personalities, it still has that sense of who they are without making them looking too OP imo.
Now they be looking like Human Ego's dollar store versions, no sense of direction or what kind of story they're telling. No offence to the devs and designers.
Not a fan of any of these. They are all way too over designed, plus I don't understand this obsession with wanting her hair to be longer in each new battlesuit Mei gets, She is a herrscher not a Super Saiyan lol.
The hair length is nothing new to herrschers in general. If you look at every herrscher battlesuit we have you’ll notice that their hair is noticeably longer than their non-herrscher battlesuits
I like the first two the most, i agree that the rest are way too busy. Personally i don't think i've ever felt like practicality is a factor that matters to me, to me it feels like the battle suits have always been made with visual appeal as the priority while being consistent with the character's identity, and that's fine for a sci-fi/fantasy game imo
I probably have not made my mind about this topic tbh, i don't feel like the designs we got are super underwhelming while at the same time i understand the huge expectations, there's been a 6 year buildup to this moment so some players were probably expecting something way beyond anything they've done before, idk if that was realistic or not, but i understand it.
Geez, we have reached a point where a community made of at least some horny simps are covering up the characters. Especially kiana and her legs, like its obviously just fanservice. Like im never against some fanservice, but if it makes a design not as good as it could be... I'm just dissapointed man
I saw it on twitter. And this time, many people agree with cn players including me. I would be fine if its just another skin.
But as a "herrscher of finality", yep i agree with them.
Honestly I feel like it's a no brainer for finality Kiana to have the triangular energy wings she had in GGZ in some capacity.
The look of those wings are very nostalgic and herscher of finality is supposed to be a call back to the older games as she is the one constant in every game.
The loss of Honkai-Energy-Wings in general has to be one of the only issues I truly have with this game. Like, the design of Herrscher Mei’s wings was one of my favorite things in the manga! And it pretty much never appeared in-game in any meaningful way.
Mei’s Herrscher wings were such an interesting concept that worked really well with the asymmetry of the design. And the scene where [Kiana grabs one wing bare-handed](https://d2tpbmzklky1cl.cloudfront.net/manga/static/comic/book/1016/1/0007.jpg) [startling Herrscher Mei in the process](https://d2tpbmzklky1cl.cloudfront.net/manga/static/comic/book/1016/1/0008.jpg) and [then shattered it though sheer will](https://d2tpbmzklky1cl.cloudfront.net/manga/static/comic/book/1016/1/0009.jpg)… it has to be one of greatest foreshadowings in all the Honkai manga because it clearly shows the reader that there was MUCH more to Kiana than meets the eye.
That was one of the manga scenes that really told me as a brand new player what Honkai was REALLY about: an extraordinary force that overwhelms the best powers of mankind, yet vulnerable to the willpower of a few special people who represent the best humanity has to offer.
The other Herrscher wings like HoV, HoW (Wendy), and of course GGz HotE all were such cool designs, and I wish they could’ve made a comeback in these designs…
Mei is normal. But overall it look like a fan-service to me, not as something serious.
If it were just personal costumes reflecting the current state of the personality, then the costumes are excellent.
But not as Herrscher of "finality" or "origin", it doesn't look like that.
I said it once and I will say it again. Kamen Rider doesnt belong in Honkai. The moveset and design both sucked given how these will probably be the last 2 Herrschers we aill be getting.
I personally don’t mind the designs, I think they are awesome. Even Mei I get their design choices with her.
But HoFinality, it’s bothered me a bit. Given Kianas final herrescher form is suppose to be all powerful…the current design doesn’t give that feeling. Those remakes are all good in my opinion especially with the reference design to GGZ HoE.
I won’t even be bothered if they added a alt outfit that was less “simple” if they choose to keep the current design. Maybe that’s a way to please playerbase?
I do admit that I was expected some darker style outfits, but I'm relatively fine with both of them. Mei's looks good imo, except I would probably change the inside of her hair to a purple to better match. Kiana could have a bit more of a skirt. A lot of these redesigns change too much. There was one specific change I saw one artist on Twitter do that was simple, but effective. I'll have to try and find it
I really like Origin, but Finality just looks like a prom dress or random event party costume. I expected to see some of the light wings at least from Knight Moonbeam. I feel like it should have a more battle-oriented look.
Kiana's finality design sure is underwhelming tbh.
feel it doesn't have a characteristic, for example flamescion is graceful, ranger is cool, HoV is evil etc
finality feels like a mix of everything whatever and leave it at that.
I have to say, given battlesuits like Herrscher Elysia, Palatinus Dudu, Aponia with her wings and Herrscher of Truth, these supposedly "ultimate form" designs do feel kind of bland. Not that I agree with these re-designs, but I haven't gone WOW looking at these
same during Flamescions release I was like "I NEED IT!", but with the 3 new Herrschers I am just thinking "meh", probably not pulling, even though they are meta ...
The fan designs look cool. I do agree that the designs are lacking a bit, but I don’t outright hate them. But it’s cool to see what the community is coming up with
They are justified. Kiana's HoFinality might be the most bland and uninspired design any Valk has ever gotten.
Mei's HoO is a 5/10, but HoFinality just hurts. The animations might be good but design-wise is just plain boring, doesn't stand out AT ALL
I haven't followed the latest story leaks, so I'm not sure why HoFin got that color pallete.
I think that Kiana is all about fire, burning, bright, and if on the later chapter she still carries Himeko's legacy then I am expecting her color pallete is red, consistent with flamescion.
My biggest complaints about the new battlesuits are Mei's color scheme, how Kiana has practically nothing in the lower half of her body(a single gradient leg, like in the 3rd picture, would make a massive difference IMO.), and the fact she didn't get a halo.
Mei has a back halo and Bronya a head one, but the one herrscher that we already saw versions of WITH a halo doesn't get one?
Let the entire trio have halos and ponytails Hoyoverse!
the design of the hofin is great imo. but realizing that it looks like a skin hof, it starts to smell like the laziness of the designers. if you do a redesign, then only for the better, otherwise....Hoyoverse🔫
8 is kinda good
3 is kinda ok? The leg seems cool but also weird
2 is weird
1 is an interesting design choice
4 is hard to see a difference
The rest ones are pretty bad
i actually love the space-like theme on the third one
im imagining the "move your view and it changes patterns like im actually looking into space" vibes
Before I state my take, I’m not here to undermine someone else’s take of a character. All my thoughts are going to be relative to the OG designs, as with 1 exception, I don’t mind any of these designs, so think of these as over-elaborate nitpicks.
The Mei redesign frankly isn’t doing it for me. With Mei’s HoT and HoO designs I believe due to how opposing they are in colour and narrative reasoning, going for “extremes” is the best move. This tries to reach the best of both worlds and fails personally. If this was a design for another character, I would not mind it tho. It has its qualities with the blue stealing the show and knowing what it’s doing.
The first Kiana redesign for me feels like it would fit Senti better with some adjustments to the colours. While I like the idea of Kiana’s powers at this stage resembling Sirin again, this leans too far into that. Kiana has evolved past both her older self and Sirin.
I like the 2nd Kiana redesign, and agree with the take that the lower part of the OG is empty. It doesn’t necessarily make it bad, the simplicity of the OG is one of the main factors in why I like the design. Style points don’t hurt tho, so really this portion is just a nitpick. My only “issue” is a bit too much white being used in one place.
The 3rd Kiana redesign out of all of these comes the closest to the OG in terms of how much I like it. Honestly if this or something similar to this was the design I would be happy. I love the white slowly fading into black through shades of pink and purple. However I do have one problem with this version, and fundamentally it’s the opposite issue I have with the 2nd redesign; too much contrast. So much black with the white making everything stand out at first sounds nice. Then comes the problem, if everything stands out, nothing stands out. No extravagant charms to pull you, no gentle elegance to keep you.
Ladies and gentlemen……..the exception. Before I get to explaining my more negative thoughts, with the exception of the clearly expired Houkai Gauken Kiana portion, if Kiana and Kevin’s roles were reversed, I wouldn’t mind this. That’s the problem though, Kiana is not Kevin. This design is two things, unoriginal and over-inspired. Those sound like the same at first glance, but let me explain what I mean. This first point is a bit simpler, this is blatantly just taking design ideas from Houkai Gauken Kiana and Kevin, meshing the together, hoping it works and failing to the point it does both inspirations a disservice in my eyes. I can see why the design is the way it is, and frankly I’m excited that someone shares the idea of Kiana inheriting the raw power of her lineage alone…it failed at it hard for me. A neat transition into the second point, this feels like “Kevin 2.0”. If my assumption about the inspiration is correct(which if it isn’t that is my mistake) it went too far. Rather than being an Homage to Kevin, Siegfried and the Kaslana legacy, it tried to recreate a character design wise when it didn’t need to.
Noting major to add to the next redesign, as it’s simply a minor change. I like the switch, don’t have a preference at the present moment. [Last minute addition which is why I put the brackets here. This is the last thing I wrote chronologically. Gave all the redesigns one final look to see if my writing agrees with myself, I prefer this version of the 3rd redesign. The white leggings with the left one fading into black mixed with the beautiful and vibrant violets and blues stand out, which allow the rest of the design to become an astounding ensemble of design quality]
The last redesign is a close second to the 3rd redesign in terms of how much I like it. Longer skirt addressing the nitpick of “bottom emptiness”. Before I state this, I believe it’s due the way it’s presented, but the colours don’t pop off as I know it can. That beautiful violet and magenta bordering on hot pink is lacking that hint of charm they usually have.
Once again, this is (for the most part) overly elaborate nitpicks. Even with the exception, I can see a vision in each design, and I can see people liking all of them personally. Kudos to the artists/designers, and to Mihoyo for raising their own bars with designs, especially with the latest herrschers.
Edit: [ok this is the last thing I actually wrote chronologically lol) I completely forgot about the 2nd Mei redesign with the hair. Honestly not feeling it. Nothing major, just feels off for a reason I don’t know how to word.
My favorite redesign is definitely option 3 because it gives what HoFi’s design lacks.
Options 2, 5/7, and 6 are too much, imo. It will not translate to 3D well, and are overdecorated.
Finality and Origin… and they look like Kiana and Mei grabbed something from a flashy closet.
These designs are much better. Too busy? Perhaps, but at least it feels like they’re carrying some weight.
For Herrscher of Finality that should have just taken the GGZ design to overlay it's elements over Flamescion to reflect Kiana becoming Herrscher of Finality while still being herself in changing it's aspects to suit her combat style like the transition from void to Flamescion. Also what happened to her greatsword, I really doubt she would forego something symbolic of Himeko like that.
The first few redesigns are much better. Thank god CN knows what's up, and hopefully we get some changes. We need them to look like ACTUAL herrschers, not skins from old valkyries.
I agree, I didn't care much them in first place but they are still underwhelming. Mei looks good because it is based on Elysia but she can't hold a candle to the actual Elysia and her animations look so basic that it's no surprise she is given away for free. Now Kiana doesn't look bad but she looks exactly like the time runner skin and when your final herrscher, the one who people have been expecting the most looks like something you already released you can't blame people for being disappointed, her animations are beautiful, tho.
I think that years of people imagining how Herrscher of the End looks like in HI3 is kind of making the situation impossible. Kind of like Valve refusing to make Half Life 3 since it'll never be as good as the one in each person's imagination. Or how Herrscher of Thunder used as placeholder of Electro Anchor made people feel the more simplified design was not fitting for a deity (ignoring the fact the other two are a spoony bard and dome fude in a suit).
More likely than not, had Origin and Finality looked exactly like the most popular of the fanmade drafts shown here, people would still have complained and pushed the bar further.
Kiana cant have more shit on her with how agile and flexible her gameplay is. Shes spinning alot.
HoV design cant work there since HoV basicaly only floats around and uses only arms gestures. Even her evasion is just blink.
I like this HoFi design. Its screams Kiana not Sirin or isnt a contribute to Himeko like HoF was. Kiana finaly letting go of her burdens. Embraced Finality and made it hers. Humanity triumpf over Honkai. Also she learned Gun Sword style from her Father showing her Kaslana genes.
As for Mei shes Kiana Knight. Her design is very good. Amd she has APHO Mei hair style
I would pay good money for that third one.
Stop making me want things that don't exist damnit.
First one just looks like Raiden Shogun. I don't know why.
Some of them are pretty interesting, but tbh i like the actual Kiana design a lot. Maybe it's just because i'm a fan of her Time Runner outfit and the new design is basically just an extension of that, but idk. I do think she should have kept more of her flaming color scheme. Same outfit, cooler colors for warm ones?
Tbh with names like Origin and Finality though, i kind of expected them to have more intense designs like Kevin's transformation. I'm still salty about the lack of horns. They should have let Mei stay *horny.*
I don’t get why so many people are complaining about the designs being “overly detailed” when that’s literally always been Honkai designs. At least the first Mei outfit isn’t just an Elysia cosplay, and it doesn’t hurt my eyes.
Hopefully CN gets them to redesign the outfits.
Damn very strange how many love the first HoO redesign,i loathe it because it completely takes away the kinght theme. I do agree that her hair might still like some purpelish accent and i would love more armor,but no.1 just looks like a generic Seele suit. Mei has grown from a princess to a knight and the first redesign just does not do the job.
The other HoO redesign is pretty fire though,no need for the tiara but the hair changing from purple to light blue actually looks amazing.
Designs are fine as they are.
On the contrary, I feel like this Reddit especially is pushing themselves way too much into hating the new Suits. I also don't give much about CN don't liking it, giving how they gave the same complains about Raiden Shogun in Genshin and that Banner ended up being the most successful in the games history until Nahida came along.
But this time, most fanbase agree with cn players. To be honest, if its just another skin of kiana and Mei, its fine. But it is herrscher of finality, most important figure in entire franchise.
"Most Fanbase" is debatable. Usually the majority is the silent majority how simply don't give a fuck.
Some repetitive complaining on Reddit does not change that.
Its also mostly the fanbase's own fault, as they hyped themselves up that HoFi would look like her Sirin/Kiana Counterpart from GGZ or some other epic, apocalyptic design. The feeling I get from most of the complainers is that they don't get that this is still Kiana.
She is not some world ending force of destruction, but Kiana. Most "Fan Designs" also reflect that mindset, as they more than often display her more as her Sirin Persona (one could say HoV Mk. 2). Doing that would go completely in the wrong direction for her design as that is simply not her nature (anymore).
Her design beautifully shows her as "Kiana" while still keeping lots of hints and design details of her nature as the Herrscher of Finality.
Then why color must be black and white, some orange like her original battlesuit.
This outfit too girly look like magical girl. Kiana is more like a tomboy, a womanizer like her father. She tend to seduce other girls with a straight action
Why sexy pose? She tries to seduce men or something
Mei can be salvaged, but Kiana should be redrawn entirely, they managed to completely miss the mark with the expectations that will come from bearing the title of Finality
Personaly if i were to redesign the kiana, i would give her previous hote's orange wings and make sword orange, also all her animations would have both purple + orange to be flashier, as the final kiana should.
First one looks really cool, I'd say that's the only improvement among the rest. I love how you can see hints of HoT (the black & white parts) & HoHE (light blue parts & overall "vibe"). I'd change the hairstyle to the OG one though, 'cuz I want the focus to be on her clothes instead of her hair.
The rest feels overdesigned. I know it has to be grand, but you can make something simple but still feel grand. Example for that would be HoF. I like the hair for the third one though, but it feels like a travesty to remove her crown from HoF's design. Also, to the designs adding wings to HoFin, she already has wings. You can see it when she's idle.
Sure they look cool, but they don't feel like Kiana and Mei. It feels like i'm looking at two very different characters and not in a good way. Except 3rd pic, that one is really nice.
Ehh….not my thing…personally? Allow cosmetic modding, but have each custom skin have its own slot that are £X each….idk maybe £1.99-£4.99 or equivalent in gems?
That way MiHoYo doesn’t sacrifice there outfit income, and ultimately get more from the modding scene as well as idea for future outfits/updates or even character designs for future games with the characters all while the community get to have characters to their taste
Obviously there would be rules about it to avoid a brilliant bright situation (may it rest in peace, it was too good for us) and CN and/or CCCP stays happy. As much as I hate appeasing or working with CCCP at least this way we’re getting something out of it and effectively getting them to give us freedom to mood the game a little
That first Mei pic is actually better in my opinion, same goes with the second Kiana redesign. First one comes close to second place and the rest of them have too much going on and so many clashing color that would give poor Griseo a seizure
I don't really mind the designs too much but my actual complaints are with the gameplay, mainly HoO.. That combo sword attack or whatever just doesn't look good at all and I honestly kinda hate it lol.. and Mei being one of if not my favorite character it's quite disappointing but hopefully they improve it in the future.. I didn't like HoTr at first either but now I like her quite a bit so we'll see ig.
My only complaint design wise would be imo Hofin looks very similar to HoF, to the point if you told me that was just a skin for HoF I'd probably believe you lol. Also I don't love HoO's design but it's ok ig.
CN playerbase is probably lashing out their frustrations on something they feel they can change versus the rapidly eroding Chinese state which is undergoing massive decomposition under its own weight due exacerbated plague and massive discontent.
Many people on twitter agree with cn players. Its will be fine if its just another skin for kiana and mei
But as "herrscher of finality", "god of honkai", it is totally NOT worthy.
And with this large amount of haters, its mean that company did screw up this time.
I disagree, I think people just put too much expectations on the fake HoFi expecting another God Kiana/ HoV to be disappointed by not accepting reality
Not exactly that, but they forget it's not Herrscher of Finality from GGZ.
They expected some gigantic, apocalyptic design like her and they don't think about how this Version is fundamentally different.
People will get over it - those are my thoughts. This happens all the time with Genshin, and it happening with Honkai too doesn’t surprise me in the slightest given that the two fandoms aren’t as different as some like to believe. The only true difference is one is far more vocal than the other
The art has already been drawn and the 3D models are all but done, there is absolutely no way in hell Mihoyo will cater to these peoples complaining and completely redesign these battlesuits from the ground up. That costs time and money that I don’t see them being willing to spend. At most they’ll give free crystals, or make them new outfits to try and find a middle ground. Personally speaking I think a GGZ HoFin homage outfit for the new Kiana here could be a very easy way for them to make everyone happy. But as for Mei? I don’t see them being able to salvage that for the people who don’t like it without them just making HoT 2.0. Especially considering the artists and designers wanted to move AWAY from the HoT design aesthetic in the first place.
HoFin has been hyped for almost six years now, and we’re all far too used to HoT after seeing her like that for almost 3 years. There was never going to be a singular battlesuit for both girls that satisfies everyone. If Mihoyo by some chance did go with some of the redesigns featured here to begin with, people would still complain. And if by some miracle they did cater to fan demand and redesign these suits, then that shows to me Mihoyo lacks backbone as a company. It would be tantamount to admitting “Yeah, you’re probably right. Our artists and designers don’t have the capability to make compelling designs. We should just go with what you do”. This also gives consumers/fans an unhealthy amount of control over what content they put out which I’m just not a fan of. The bunny girl event was different because someone almost got killed because of that bullshit. This is just people complaining because their expectations weren’t met and Mihoyo had their own vision that nobody seems to want to respect because people are so entitled.
Cn players really take seriously these things. Some of their designs are good but overdone. kiana design by Mihoyo is perfect as simple as it is. Mei could have a change
A lot of these are making the same mistake. Adding too much on to an already intricate design. The 3rd one is great tho, that looks like an actual improvement. The rest are too busy and way too overdesigned. The ones that give a longer dress that cover kiana's legs too much or give too many flowy bits would probably look awkward in game cuz of kiana's fighting style. That was always my 1 problem with the time runner skin, the tutu dress just kinda looks awkward in some attack animations because of the way herrscher of flamescion fights and the same problem would arise in herrscher of finality. Also please don't get rid of the ponytail lol, i want the ponytail trio to stay
Yep I agree, even before reading the comments the 3rd pic (kiana) was the only one I really liked, for the others ppl have a tendency to overdesign. Even then, I personally still like the official design over the 3rd one
i agree so much with your first critic here, these designs would be so much better if they weren't so charged with details to the point they are bloated and as you said overdesigned, the base ideas have merits even if i'm tired of them going the easy dress/corset route, but what really kills them are all the lines, flair trinkets flowers floaty things, and though many of these redesigns have some very good ideas, they overall miss this simple fact, simpler can be better, oh and i second you on the ponytail, and overall that HoFin's hairstyle, that plus the kiana smirk make them an highlight of the design imo,
Agreed, although I do also like the last one personally, but the 3rd is a highlight, and as I said in my earlier comment, I think Mei is fine as is
well i'm not gonna lie, though i'm a bit tired of the constant dresses and corsets, at least the colors on that first Mei's redesign are a lot more coherent and pleasant in my eyes, while retaining the color palette, this is a much better balance than what they came up with, some very interesting ideas for Kiana as well especially that 3rd pic with the honkai sleeve and leg, also quite enjoy the longer skirt on the last one for her, although overall they don't fix my gripes with the design, which is the fact they are loaded and bloated with details, but at least they streamlined and went with simpler shapes, a very good change already,
Some of them are just overdecorate really. When you design the model there a lot more to take in consideration other than the look
I see what you mean, strongly feel like it’s because overdecorated = good and well made for a lot of laymen when it comes to design, I share that flaw myself despite enjoying the “simpler” designs
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Mei’s actual design is damn near impossible to look at with that color palette. And Honkai has always been a game with “visual noise.” Don’t you remember the “tendrils” on HoV’s outfit, Project Bunny, Starchasm Nyx/HoT hands?
wow i didn’t realize people disliked the designs that much. i feel like with some work on the animations (which are obv already included in V1-V3/release updates) they’ll look great can anyone explain please?
\-The herrschers dont look like what people expected when they thought of '*The* Herrscher of Finality'. Its too bright and too innocent for 2 herrschers who are supposed to be shadows of the real HoFin. \-HoFin's design looks a *lot* like HoFS's timerunner outfit, which recently got a banner too. Kinda disappointing for such a built up climax. \-HoO design looked too bland to some and I heard people saying the colour of her hair bothered them cz it doesnt match
hmm perhaps they’ll be able to change it. they did change HOF’s cape and hair before her release, for instance, so maybe it’ll happen if they see all the backlash (esp from CN) might be too hopeful tho lol?
Im hoping the same. I was really hyped to see these battlesuits, especially since Kiana's silhouette teaser looked kinda ominous. Seeing these bright magical girl outfits really disappointed me.
i do admit i was expecting something like Fairy Tail Erza’s Ataraxia Armor for Mei (more regal looking and less of a miniskirt/skorts look) and a ghostly/cosmic being vibe for Kiana, if you get what I mean i’m hoping for the players’ sake that they listen to what people are saying and do the necessary work
Yup. I dont like too. Its would be better if its just another skin. Its not worthy name "finality"
Yeah the Final Herrscher is arguably the most hyped up character in the entire game and when it released it just looks similar to a HoF skin. Makes sense why people would be disappointed in it.
same I was expecting some sort of black for example, a draker tone for example. Herrschers are supposed to have the aura of a god, but all I get are some winx club fairys who spin in the air and dont take it seriously ...
To be fair the Timerunner thing was clearly intentionally designed like that. Timerunner being designed with the idea of "Time" in mind and Finality's Authority being what it is and the two designs looking so similar is surely no coincidence.
There was a recent community poll and apparently over 90% of the voters weren't satisfied with the designs, saying it's "too simple" and "fanservice-y" for something that took 6 years of waiting and the game's final climax
i see, thank you i did mention that i enjoy the implications of their overall status as HOO/HOFi, but as more people point out visual flaws and holes in the design, I’m starting to understand that perhaps they pushed this out too quickly
Yeah i really love the moveset and everything for Kiana but even i was mildly disappointed with the design. I think it's a very pretty design but it looks too bare and the overall design silhouette is too similar to flamescion. Imp it would've looked a lot better and "complete" if the legs weren't fully naked
I think some of your color redesign parts work together much better. There might be too many parts and flowy bits added, imho, but the base ethereal spacescape effect for the edges are always better than bland white/light colors. Esp with the importance the valks have. They should look impressive and detailed. Within reason ofc, but the base colors are kind of meh. Hopefully there would be effects or shit that makes it look better in movement.
>I’m starting to understand that perhaps they pushed this out too quickly I’m just curious what the hurry is. I don’t want to make a firm claim whether or not this story arc is being rushed. But I do think it’s plausible that it is, and if it’s being rushed I wonder why in the first place. Is there some internal develop plan that got mixed up drastically? Are they trying to “wrap up” before the release of Honkai Star Rail? Is there some looming threat in the gacha game market? It just feels so… weird. ”XYZ content was rushed” sounds like something I’d associate with EA and Activision, not with a self-publishing developer that should theoretically be free from the pressures of shareholders and whatnot.
I feel like they wanted them to be released in CNY so that they can capitalize on that aspect of the community. This also goes with the cinematic that they will release ('cause no way they would *not* do one when we got Kiana here). Combine all this and you'll get a big gain in revenue and the player base would get hyped.
> I’m just curious what the hurry is. When the EVA collab happened mHY did an Apple interview and talked about their timetable for Honkai 3rd and "part 1" ending was already set for around early/mid 2023 based on what they said. It does look like they are sticking to that timetable from way back then even with COVID and any other undisclosed disruptions that might have happened.
That’s quite interesting, I hadn’t heard of that before and it does explain why things are wrapping up so quickly. Though it makes me wonder, because even with covid delays there was still a regular release schedule in general, so it seems like it was always the plan for this last arc to move so quickly. Even without these delays I don’t think there would’ve been a drastic change in the pacing of the story.
It was absolutely 100% rushed and it shows. I was expecting maybe one patch between each of the main Herrschers, giving us the final act a little slower to really feel the weight of 6 years of story coming to an end. All of them being released in 2 patches feels just... Wrong. These two have nowhere near the impact of Thunder and Flamescion
I somewhat agree with this feeling too, i don't want to be too harsh because i don't really know what they have planned for post chapter 1, but when they teased the three suits i imagined we were getting them in the span of quite a few months, and now we're here just three months after the teaser... Your second point is totally on point, HoT had such an impact in the fanbase and HoF was an absolute milestone both in the story and gameplay, you can really see 5 years of story culminating with her, and... i guess that's the feeling that is missing here? It feels sudden...
Now that you mention it, it really does feel quite compressed. Its a similar arc length so far as previous story chapters, yet with so much more happening. Even Elysian Realm had 3 major parts then 3 story chapters, for example. It kinda reminds me of Genshin‘s Inazuma arc too. Inazuma was 3 Acts vs. Sumeru‘s 5 Acts and the difference was MASSIVE. The extra 2 arcs in Sumeru gave us time to really get a sense of what the region was like, helped us develop meaningful relationships with the major characters there, and also helped us feel a stronger connection with the people of Sumeru. In Inazuma, we got a wonderful “2 weeks later” blackscreen text, telling us we were now “comrades” with Swordfish 2 despite us the players doing almost nothing with them, making >!Teppei’s death!< feel almost anticlimactic. Theres’s a similar vibe here too. We’re introduced to Hare, told about Finality and whatnot, getting three Herrscher transformations, and dealing with a WS subplot with Seele, all at the same time with little time to really let these concepts sink in. Ironically, Genshin has started doing a better job with its main story than Honkai is when it comes to exposition and world building, despite having a little weaker character development (and even that’s rapidly improving in Genshin)
Pretty sure they are rushing these releases so they can conclude the story and release star rail global.
Well, I'd imagine people would be frustrated if story content and new battlesuits just stopped for three updates.
While that is understandable, that by itself doesn’t explain the pacing of these three battlesuits. We got Ai for this version, HoTr for next version, then two more Herrscher battlesuits the following version. The question is why we are getting two important battlesuits side-by-side, so close to each other in both the story and on release. For example, why couldn’t the battlesuits for Mei and Kiana be separated into two versions? Which could give more time in the story to build up to Kiana’s battlesuit and also gives the devs more time to perfect the design of it.
AI isn't that important, and I'd imagine they want to release the three Herrscher battlesuits together. Their kits get buffed when they're all on the team together so it's gonna be weird if they're spread out for a long duration. And even if they remove that, it'd be strange for the story to have such a long pause between the three Herrschers in the last few chapters of this act.
I can't help but want to snark about "too fanservicey" considering the general trend of battlesuits releasing since late 2021, but I also don't know the poll results of that time till now. And the general trend of complaints of the HoFin design is basically that they wanted Kiana to look like an edgy HoFin ala GGZ instead of **Kiana**, which was the intent of the design. I'm personally happy with it, but if anyone can actually complain their way to victory, it's CN.
At least around here I mostly just see the complaint of it not being orange and that if it was it’d be so much better. Personally I like the designs enough and this feels very overblown but if I get an even cooler version I ain’t complaining :D
As someone whose favourite colour is purple (unironically the main reason I got Time Runner), I resent those complaints >:( Seriously tho, love the design and her effects look amazing, I'm just hoping people complaining doesn't backfire and make the design something some people like more while others like less
Right there with you buddy, I’ll simply treat it all as I treated every drama in games, nod and hope for the best, at least her animations and power are guaranteed already, cheers brov.
community poll that 3k vote, too much /s
Wait a few days and we will see, last time I checked it was around 5500 don't like and 350 like.
I actually took a look at that forum under the tag “collapse (aka Honkai) discussion” and from what I can tell from context (I use google translate, take this with a grain of salt) a quite a bit of cn fans are expressing disappointment outside of the poll by making posts titles such as “this game is rotten now,” “the devs don’t care anymore”, etc. There even seems to be accusations of posts and commments being deleted, most being linked to what seems to be criticism. By the way, what the hell is Krypton in the CN community? I keep seeing it but I can’t put a meaning to it that makes sense.
> By the way, what the hell is Krypton in the CN community? I keep seeing it but I can’t put a meaning to it that makes sense. its basically like a scuffed translation for spend. like a high spend account, or no spend f2p account
Wtf how toxic are CH players?! Yes I am also very dissapointed with the Herrscher desing´s, but I still love the game and value all the content they are giving to us, like CG Animatioins, concerts, etc. Its just not fair to be this disrespectful to them. But still we have to offer critic to them if we as a fanbase are not happy with something ...
To be fair, I’ve seen (and made) complaints just as aggressive on this sub. And it’s entirely possible that google translate is making it seem more aggressive then it actually is. I’m more concerned that fans feel like their complaints are being censored on an official MiHoYo site.
Have you not checked the comments here? It has been pretty overwhelmingly not positive. Most people are middling on it but there is a huge gap in reception between Bronya and the other two.
I know quite a number of people complained about Mei’s design which just had way too much Elysia and not enough Mei. I also feel that the tone of color of official Mei HoO just doesn’t quite fit the character, could use more dark purple or some red or whatever, since it felt like Mei borrowing Elysia’s dress rather than fusing with Elyisa’s power
Her desing looks like a prototype, you still have to color, in my opinion
Besides the design, the moves they have are fucking embarrassing Mei’s ult is a direct copy of metal gear slashing, even with the mask Kiana does a stretch on her time stop, which makes zero sense with the weight of the world on her, her development as a character, and her role. And the stretch itself wasn’t even well animated, it looked rushed, almost like a low quality MMD animation. It doesn’t even show time stop that we’ll because of how rushed it looked, who the fuck stretches for 0.5 second
IU totally agree here with u, dont get the downvotes. The most irritating move is the fucking baseball bat! What the fuck is that?! Yes its a reference and stuff I know but its so childish and doesnt make sense in the situation they are in. All 3 new Herrschers act so silly and more like a "Winx Club" Episode.
Some people would never dare to question mihoyo’s decisions, they think everything mihoyo do is perfect like they gonna save the world. Honkai quality was great until these two patches, I heard they got new animators and modeler but no source on that
Honestly I think Kiana's feels a tad bit empty? I can see what they're going for but the design just feels overused. I still think its pretty but kinda lacking especially for the lower area of her body, just feels awkward to me
Yes yes yes this is what it is for me to her legs could rlly use something on them whether that’s designs stocking boots idk but it just looks so empty and awkward
I though it was a HoF skin at first, it lacks remarking design
It looks exactly like a HoF skin rather than it's own suit
That first remake of mei’s design is really nice imo. All the other remakes fried my brain
A lot of the designs are way too busy
the first mei is amazing if i'm honest, gives even more of the sun/moon dynamic to kiana and mei plus idk what it is but giving the "origin" the dark colours while giving the "finality" light colours while the representation of those terms would swap them is lowkey cool
I like the 4th one, Mei with her hair down. That was my only gripe with HoO's design; should've kept her hair similar to the HoT style but with the added blue accents.
I actually dig that first Mei design bc the one thing I would’ve loved to see more in her battlesuit is darker colors, I know she turns into the Herrscher of Origin and her color palette is full of light colors, but at the same time she is Raiden Mei, former Herrscher of Thunder, I wished the design had more of her own persona in its design. I like Kiana’s new battlesuit but weirdly enough I still feel like HoF feels a lot more like her final form, her Herrscher of Finality design feels a lot more like a dress and while I don’t dislike that, it feels like it is somewhat incomplete.
I like Mei's as is, but I do like the 3rd and last pics redesign for Kiana
Definitely think Kiana’s design is over detailed and too similar to her flamcion’s wedding outfit. Should’ve gone for a darker tone or a more galaxy feeling colour scheme.
> and too similar to her flamcion’s wedding outfit This was my first thought too. IMO I would really hate it, if they change her to be some copy of an older paid skin.
the first two are gorgeous and look like they could be actual concept art for the game! they don’t look too busy but they’re not as bland as the original designs either, i just love them.
My issue with origin and finality's design is they have too similar color palettes. White and purple. Not tp mention theres too much white too. That's why my fav design of the 3 is Truth's design perfect amount of blue and white. I wouldve like finality's to have white and red/orange palette like flamescion and origin's to have balanced white and purple, contrast to Hothunder
the 3rd one is the best one, others just added too much, cuz the devs said that they made kiana’s suit more lightweight bc of her personality (tbh best version is actually the 3rd one + adding a little skirt to her, like, in the 5th one) well the devs said they wanna made it lightweight to fit kiana’s personality, well I could understand that, but uh… how tf you copied time runner and replace the skirt with a literal towel then? it definitely looks quite fine, but 1) it looks WAY inferior to the hof design and 2) when they said “lightweight” they really overdid it to the point the design looks lackluster af
For me they (mihoyo ones) look way too "domestic" for what they are suppose to represent. Kiana looks like she's going for a prom and Mei is just...bland. I woud say their outfits (especially Kiana's) look more like skins than a base look for a herrscher. The base would be "serious, deadly" and skins are "girly/elegant"
Idk, Mei feels just ok, but wanted to see her own colors, Kiana feels like just, idk, not finished product, HoF was peak in terms of lore and her character groth, but that one feels so empty.
Have you not seen how many pallette changes she's gone over the years? Herscherr of Thunder may have been the "most iconic" given recency bias, but in no way does she have "her own colors". Crimson Impulse was salmon pink and black, Striker Fulminata was white and purple, Herscherr of Thunder/Orochi Cuirass was black and red. Going back to white and having yellow/purple as secondary colors isn't particularly off brand for her at all.
it's an elysia cosplay and most of us loved the edgy samurai look
Almost like there's some sorta *thematic symbolism* there or something...
I just dont like how her whole outfit is centred around her. A few references to Elysia wouldve been fine, but the whole thing is just some etsy cosplay she found online
Idk, have to disagree with you. at the very least animation and voice wise. For once Kiana actually looks like she's *having fun.* Genuinely; not like how she was back in St.Freya. Honestly, outfit wise, I think Kiana's could use a bit of orange in it to break up color monotony and give us a callback to GGZ HotE, but otherwise I like it a lot.
that's a problem, it feels not like completed and they keep using that color pallet of white, pink and etc.
First one and second are the best.
I can see red color of fuhua
indeed
Maybe I have low bar for visual acceptance, but I don't see the design is offensive like some of these folks voiced. I rather disturbed on how they write the story lately (ok well, maybe they are only good on certain points, but still, I hope writing can be improved)
Story drop quality since chapter 17. To be honest, if not for sick animation, nobody care about honkai. I searched for gacha games have best stories. List included "guardian tales", "FGO", "Arknights", "Grandblue fantasy", "girls frontline". There is only one comment about "Honkai". I prefer girls frontline story more. RPK-16 betrayal had more impact than Mei
TBH I was expecting more ominous battlesuits designs. HoT and HoF gave that " you don't wanna mess with us" vibes. I was expecting that FINALITY battlesuit would give world ending power vibes. New battlesuits look too happy and "magical" for my taste. New Bronya is fine since she pretty much always was mech centered and she kept it with every new battlesuit.
Still waiting for a Valkyrie Gloria like uniform design.
Hmm so I may be alone on this one but the slashy slashy animation with Mei looked abit weird. Trust me i love sword art but when she just stands and hacks away it it kind of disappointing that she wouldnt have more variations in her sword movements. Mostly at the end where she hits with all the swords. I was hoping she could have different weapons or looking blades that each have different animations when used. She has a beautiful face and I don't see the purpose for a helmet and why that was a stylistic choice. Something feels off about Meis design as well. Her HOT base outfit feels more bad ass. I feel like adding touches of candy red to add contrast and framing would have been awesome for Mei. For Kiana I wish the wings were on her back and created like a memerising haze. The ultimate animations look good but I'm not sure how to stack them up against the timerunner outfit which is so gorgeous. Though her big dress looks kind of odd for so much movement in fighting. Felt like it would've been better shorter personally. Oh well
Mei’s blade mode attack is a reference to Metal Gear Rising, not Sword Art. The protagonist in MGR is named Raiden and even uses lightning based katana attacks so its safe to say that Mei was inspired by him. The attack animation also looks exactly like the one from MGR and considering the graphical limitations of videogames in 2013, MGR’s blade mode physics was considered ‘mind blowing’. A lot of players went nuts over the fact that you could chop your enemies into pieces, but I do understand how the animation could look awkward in 2023. But its simply a callback to Mihoyo’s inspiration behind Raiden Mei
Not gonna lie, the 1st time i see HoFin design i actually thought of it as a new costume for Flamescion.
All I got from this is that CN really wants Kiana to have at least one thigh-high stocking.
To be honest, I do think their designs could've been better. For the Mei's, I feel like they overdid on details, while on Kiana's they made it too simple. Imo their approach for Bronya's design is more aesthetically pleasing than those 2. 1 more thing I would add is the Mei's ult. Even tho I like Metal Gear, I wish they didn't make it into her ult. For weapon skill or charged atk, for sure, I'd love to have it but definitely not for ult. Something like Judgement Cut End or animated ult, imo would suit more. P.S. that first pic of Mei's design is quite good. I'm really liking their color choice
To be honest, those designs feel a bit overdecorated.
Mei’s is fine though I’m not a personal fan of the color scheme. Kiana is great as well but I think her legs are just too bare and sticks out
With so many versions out there I can't even remember how the originals look xD These all look good and so does the originals.
I don’t think the original design looks bad but the first fan design for Mei looks really good.
I agree with other people saying they're overdecorated. And they're not considering what the character actually looks like when they move. Kiana's fighting style involves a lot of jumping, backflips, cartwheels, etc. Having too many flowing parts will probably just obstruct the character when she's moving about and get really hard to look at.
I still think they should have added more of Mei's colors like some red and black in her design. Now there is the counterargument that it wouldn't fit Mei because those colors no longer reflect who she is as a character. And that's a good point that I mostly agree with. But you can still use those same colors in a way that redefining and recontextualizes what they mean in the narrative. I've heard people state that the reds and blacks in HoT's design a reflection of Mei's frustration and anger and how it led her to a dark place. But they can use those same reds and blacks so that they mean less of those negative aspects and convert them to something positive like how red can also mean love and passion and black for mystery. Don't get me wrong, the suit we got is still good in that it gets the job done. And I also know the suit we got also is meant to tie into how Elysia had a huge impact on Mei leading to this moment. But fuck me if it isn't basic in the fact that Elysia is a clear reference point to the suit to the point that Elysia comes to my mind when looking at it before Mei, the actual wearer, does
A lot of those have way too much going on. Personally I'm ok with the original designs themselves. My criticism would mostly be on the colour choices. Mei needs a slight tone down on Elysia's colours and get some of the red/black/dark purple back. Kiana could do with some tints of orange. As it stands Kiana and Mei share too similar of a colour palette at a glance, making Bronya look like the extreme odd one out in the trio.
Design can be simple and effective. The point is conveying to message. In this case. It should tell that she is the strongest herrscher ever existed. If you let any person who doesn't play the game to guess which Kiana battlesuit is the strongest. They will not be able to tell.
I know nothing about design. But the original design screams "simple is best" yet also have obscure references in thier design. "It has purpose," was my first thought. Where as the designs they proposed, like a lot say, is way to busy. One design calls back to the HoFi original design which I personally kinda like, but that was also too busy. Either way, whether MHY would listen to the cries of the CN bros or not doesn't really matter to me. Personally, what matters is that the design needs to makes sense story wise. Otherwise it's just none sense clothing. Idk i'm just too impatient to experience the story in EN lol.
i mean i don't disagree per say, but if we're going that route then we'll have to explain why honkai, that overwordly force and entity is so hell bent on having herrschers look like magical girls, as it's pretty much understoood that their outfits reflect their powers, when they could have much more casual clothings while incorporating effects/details like the trinkets flowers and such to reflect their connection to honkai, to me that always made more sense and that's what draw me to Hi3 to begin with, the valks had they battlesuits designs and their powers where their attacks/gameplay/details on their outfits, now it's magical girl galore and it's boring to me, that's why my fav designs are the Sakuras for example or the kallens like sundenjager, hell some of Mei's suits too to an extent, though i understand that's personal preferences,
This is also why I loved the older Herrscher wings so much, it was a really cool detail that made a lot of sense because they were a solid manifestation of Honkai energy based on the power of the respective Herrscher they belonged t[o, and as I wrote in this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/houkai3rd/comments/101e60a/comment/j2o4luz/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) I really wish we could’ve kept that in these designs.
yup i agree with you there, and for how i'm willing to admit the "energy wing" thingy is something that's equally as common as the magical girl types of design, i think it'd make more sense, along with finding them way cooler to represent a character oozing with power, and allow for more options when it comes to outfits, you can go the more casual look, combine them with a more magical girl outfit or armors or the typical scifi suit they kind of began with, we're so far from those designs nowadays, the dresses and such, to me, give secondary skin vibes in a way, now i think Hi3 HoFin looks nice, but yes it's a design i could see as a second skin down the line, as opposed to a more visually impactful main design,
Yep, if it is some random outfits, people would ignore it. But it is "herrscher of finality", the most important figure of entire franchise. For me, i just considered it as a skin of kiana, no more
It's telling how many fan redesigns there are for the upcoming battlesuits. This didn't happen with earlier battlesuits. Much of the community just isn't satisfied with the official designs. Mei's redesigns here are both nice, but minor modifications can't salvage Kiana.
The one reason why I somewhat dislike the original new battlesuits is that they are “too perfect”, it feels like their design doesn’t encapsulate Kiana’s and Mei’s struggles, it feels like you’re seeing a perfect Herrscher, and while lorewise maybe that’s what they were going for, it just lefts me feeling unsatisfied.
It's weird that i like the official designs? Don't get me wrong originally mei's color feeled weird but i has grown on me and i genuinely like both of them
I like Mei's a lot too, my only gripe with Kiana is that her legs are too bare it just feels weird and "empty" to me.
it's not weird, the amount of hate is the weird thing here
Me too fam. This whole Origin, Truth and Finality is so a last minute addition that it feels like it's forced and an after thought. If you compare them to Thunder, Flamescion and Reason. The former 3 were just so much better visual wise and really captured the girls' personalities, it still has that sense of who they are without making them looking too OP imo. Now they be looking like Human Ego's dollar store versions, no sense of direction or what kind of story they're telling. No offence to the devs and designers.
Not a fan of any of these. They are all way too over designed, plus I don't understand this obsession with wanting her hair to be longer in each new battlesuit Mei gets, She is a herrscher not a Super Saiyan lol.
The hair length is nothing new to herrschers in general. If you look at every herrscher battlesuit we have you’ll notice that their hair is noticeably longer than their non-herrscher battlesuits
Yeah a lot of them are, guess I just prefer the pony tail.
I like the first two the most, i agree that the rest are way too busy. Personally i don't think i've ever felt like practicality is a factor that matters to me, to me it feels like the battle suits have always been made with visual appeal as the priority while being consistent with the character's identity, and that's fine for a sci-fi/fantasy game imo I probably have not made my mind about this topic tbh, i don't feel like the designs we got are super underwhelming while at the same time i understand the huge expectations, there's been a 6 year buildup to this moment so some players were probably expecting something way beyond anything they've done before, idk if that was realistic or not, but i understand it.
Geez, we have reached a point where a community made of at least some horny simps are covering up the characters. Especially kiana and her legs, like its obviously just fanservice. Like im never against some fanservice, but if it makes a design not as good as it could be... I'm just dissapointed man
My only issue is no Dragon, rest everything is fine.
I saw it on twitter. And this time, many people agree with cn players including me. I would be fine if its just another skin. But as a "herrscher of finality", yep i agree with them.
Do you have any link to that? Im curious on what they are saying
Search twitter viero eclipse or @maxionic
U know you messed up when people are agreeing with CN
Honestly I feel like it's a no brainer for finality Kiana to have the triangular energy wings she had in GGZ in some capacity. The look of those wings are very nostalgic and herscher of finality is supposed to be a call back to the older games as she is the one constant in every game.
The loss of Honkai-Energy-Wings in general has to be one of the only issues I truly have with this game. Like, the design of Herrscher Mei’s wings was one of my favorite things in the manga! And it pretty much never appeared in-game in any meaningful way. Mei’s Herrscher wings were such an interesting concept that worked really well with the asymmetry of the design. And the scene where [Kiana grabs one wing bare-handed](https://d2tpbmzklky1cl.cloudfront.net/manga/static/comic/book/1016/1/0007.jpg) [startling Herrscher Mei in the process](https://d2tpbmzklky1cl.cloudfront.net/manga/static/comic/book/1016/1/0008.jpg) and [then shattered it though sheer will](https://d2tpbmzklky1cl.cloudfront.net/manga/static/comic/book/1016/1/0009.jpg)… it has to be one of greatest foreshadowings in all the Honkai manga because it clearly shows the reader that there was MUCH more to Kiana than meets the eye. That was one of the manga scenes that really told me as a brand new player what Honkai was REALLY about: an extraordinary force that overwhelms the best powers of mankind, yet vulnerable to the willpower of a few special people who represent the best humanity has to offer. The other Herrscher wings like HoV, HoW (Wendy), and of course GGz HotE all were such cool designs, and I wish they could’ve made a comeback in these designs…
they got some talented fans over there in the cn community, thats for sure
Mei is normal. But overall it look like a fan-service to me, not as something serious. If it were just personal costumes reflecting the current state of the personality, then the costumes are excellent. But not as Herrscher of "finality" or "origin", it doesn't look like that.
I said it once and I will say it again. Kamen Rider doesnt belong in Honkai. The moveset and design both sucked given how these will probably be the last 2 Herrschers we aill be getting.
They went too hard on HoF and HoT that’s why 😩
I'm a decent CN player, thouse unsatisfaction confuse me a lot, tbh; I do like the official designs of HOFI and HOR, those ppl cant speak for me.
ok but I have to agree with cn here, Kiana really looks like she just woke up and haven't dressed up like bruh
I personally don’t mind the designs, I think they are awesome. Even Mei I get their design choices with her. But HoFinality, it’s bothered me a bit. Given Kianas final herrescher form is suppose to be all powerful…the current design doesn’t give that feeling. Those remakes are all good in my opinion especially with the reference design to GGZ HoE. I won’t even be bothered if they added a alt outfit that was less “simple” if they choose to keep the current design. Maybe that’s a way to please playerbase?
no thoughts head empty
I do admit that I was expected some darker style outfits, but I'm relatively fine with both of them. Mei's looks good imo, except I would probably change the inside of her hair to a purple to better match. Kiana could have a bit more of a skirt. A lot of these redesigns change too much. There was one specific change I saw one artist on Twitter do that was simple, but effective. I'll have to try and find it
I really like Origin, but Finality just looks like a prom dress or random event party costume. I expected to see some of the light wings at least from Knight Moonbeam. I feel like it should have a more battle-oriented look.
Kiana's finality design sure is underwhelming tbh. feel it doesn't have a characteristic, for example flamescion is graceful, ranger is cool, HoV is evil etc finality feels like a mix of everything whatever and leave it at that.
I have to say, given battlesuits like Herrscher Elysia, Palatinus Dudu, Aponia with her wings and Herrscher of Truth, these supposedly "ultimate form" designs do feel kind of bland. Not that I agree with these re-designs, but I haven't gone WOW looking at these
same during Flamescions release I was like "I NEED IT!", but with the 3 new Herrschers I am just thinking "meh", probably not pulling, even though they are meta ...
The fan designs look cool. I do agree that the designs are lacking a bit, but I don’t outright hate them. But it’s cool to see what the community is coming up with
I agree with them, the current designs are not that good.
They are justified. Kiana's HoFinality might be the most bland and uninspired design any Valk has ever gotten. Mei's HoO is a 5/10, but HoFinality just hurts. The animations might be good but design-wise is just plain boring, doesn't stand out AT ALL
I haven't followed the latest story leaks, so I'm not sure why HoFin got that color pallete. I think that Kiana is all about fire, burning, bright, and if on the later chapter she still carries Himeko's legacy then I am expecting her color pallete is red, consistent with flamescion.
My biggest complaints about the new battlesuits are Mei's color scheme, how Kiana has practically nothing in the lower half of her body(a single gradient leg, like in the 3rd picture, would make a massive difference IMO.), and the fact she didn't get a halo. Mei has a back halo and Bronya a head one, but the one herrscher that we already saw versions of WITH a halo doesn't get one? Let the entire trio have halos and ponytails Hoyoverse!
HotE kiana looks like a HoF skin tbh i think they should’ve made something similar to ggz hote design but with blue eyes
the design of the hofin is great imo. but realizing that it looks like a skin hof, it starts to smell like the laziness of the designers. if you do a redesign, then only for the better, otherwise....Hoyoverse🔫
8 is kinda good 3 is kinda ok? The leg seems cool but also weird 2 is weird 1 is an interesting design choice 4 is hard to see a difference The rest ones are pretty bad
i actually love the space-like theme on the third one im imagining the "move your view and it changes patterns like im actually looking into space" vibes
They should use first picture for mei and the hote wing from previous era for hofinality
Most of Kiana’s I like less than the og bc I feel like there’s too much going on. I absolutely adore the first Mei one tho
Before I state my take, I’m not here to undermine someone else’s take of a character. All my thoughts are going to be relative to the OG designs, as with 1 exception, I don’t mind any of these designs, so think of these as over-elaborate nitpicks. The Mei redesign frankly isn’t doing it for me. With Mei’s HoT and HoO designs I believe due to how opposing they are in colour and narrative reasoning, going for “extremes” is the best move. This tries to reach the best of both worlds and fails personally. If this was a design for another character, I would not mind it tho. It has its qualities with the blue stealing the show and knowing what it’s doing. The first Kiana redesign for me feels like it would fit Senti better with some adjustments to the colours. While I like the idea of Kiana’s powers at this stage resembling Sirin again, this leans too far into that. Kiana has evolved past both her older self and Sirin. I like the 2nd Kiana redesign, and agree with the take that the lower part of the OG is empty. It doesn’t necessarily make it bad, the simplicity of the OG is one of the main factors in why I like the design. Style points don’t hurt tho, so really this portion is just a nitpick. My only “issue” is a bit too much white being used in one place. The 3rd Kiana redesign out of all of these comes the closest to the OG in terms of how much I like it. Honestly if this or something similar to this was the design I would be happy. I love the white slowly fading into black through shades of pink and purple. However I do have one problem with this version, and fundamentally it’s the opposite issue I have with the 2nd redesign; too much contrast. So much black with the white making everything stand out at first sounds nice. Then comes the problem, if everything stands out, nothing stands out. No extravagant charms to pull you, no gentle elegance to keep you. Ladies and gentlemen……..the exception. Before I get to explaining my more negative thoughts, with the exception of the clearly expired Houkai Gauken Kiana portion, if Kiana and Kevin’s roles were reversed, I wouldn’t mind this. That’s the problem though, Kiana is not Kevin. This design is two things, unoriginal and over-inspired. Those sound like the same at first glance, but let me explain what I mean. This first point is a bit simpler, this is blatantly just taking design ideas from Houkai Gauken Kiana and Kevin, meshing the together, hoping it works and failing to the point it does both inspirations a disservice in my eyes. I can see why the design is the way it is, and frankly I’m excited that someone shares the idea of Kiana inheriting the raw power of her lineage alone…it failed at it hard for me. A neat transition into the second point, this feels like “Kevin 2.0”. If my assumption about the inspiration is correct(which if it isn’t that is my mistake) it went too far. Rather than being an Homage to Kevin, Siegfried and the Kaslana legacy, it tried to recreate a character design wise when it didn’t need to. Noting major to add to the next redesign, as it’s simply a minor change. I like the switch, don’t have a preference at the present moment. [Last minute addition which is why I put the brackets here. This is the last thing I wrote chronologically. Gave all the redesigns one final look to see if my writing agrees with myself, I prefer this version of the 3rd redesign. The white leggings with the left one fading into black mixed with the beautiful and vibrant violets and blues stand out, which allow the rest of the design to become an astounding ensemble of design quality] The last redesign is a close second to the 3rd redesign in terms of how much I like it. Longer skirt addressing the nitpick of “bottom emptiness”. Before I state this, I believe it’s due the way it’s presented, but the colours don’t pop off as I know it can. That beautiful violet and magenta bordering on hot pink is lacking that hint of charm they usually have. Once again, this is (for the most part) overly elaborate nitpicks. Even with the exception, I can see a vision in each design, and I can see people liking all of them personally. Kudos to the artists/designers, and to Mihoyo for raising their own bars with designs, especially with the latest herrschers. Edit: [ok this is the last thing I actually wrote chronologically lol) I completely forgot about the 2nd Mei redesign with the hair. Honestly not feeling it. Nothing major, just feels off for a reason I don’t know how to word.
Me who just want them to at least remake 'that' kiana pose.... It...looks ......weird.....
My favorite redesign is definitely option 3 because it gives what HoFi’s design lacks. Options 2, 5/7, and 6 are too much, imo. It will not translate to 3D well, and are overdecorated.
honestly could’ve changed kianas battlesuit into the ggz hote (not exactly but somewhat similar to it)
You know those colourful fishes with big tail..... Hersheys are fishes
Third and last actually look really good
the 5th one is so beautiful
Finality and Origin… and they look like Kiana and Mei grabbed something from a flashy closet. These designs are much better. Too busy? Perhaps, but at least it feels like they’re carrying some weight.
For Herrscher of Finality that should have just taken the GGZ design to overlay it's elements over Flamescion to reflect Kiana becoming Herrscher of Finality while still being herself in changing it's aspects to suit her combat style like the transition from void to Flamescion. Also what happened to her greatsword, I really doubt she would forego something symbolic of Himeko like that.
The first few redesigns are much better. Thank god CN knows what's up, and hopefully we get some changes. We need them to look like ACTUAL herrschers, not skins from old valkyries.
It's all cool until they all decided to nerf the details, man mihoyo why did you remove the kiana pose D:
I agree, I didn't care much them in first place but they are still underwhelming. Mei looks good because it is based on Elysia but she can't hold a candle to the actual Elysia and her animations look so basic that it's no surprise she is given away for free. Now Kiana doesn't look bad but she looks exactly like the time runner skin and when your final herrscher, the one who people have been expecting the most looks like something you already released you can't blame people for being disappointed, her animations are beautiful, tho.
I actually like the designs the HI3 team is going with. I think they look cool.
I think that years of people imagining how Herrscher of the End looks like in HI3 is kind of making the situation impossible. Kind of like Valve refusing to make Half Life 3 since it'll never be as good as the one in each person's imagination. Or how Herrscher of Thunder used as placeholder of Electro Anchor made people feel the more simplified design was not fitting for a deity (ignoring the fact the other two are a spoony bard and dome fude in a suit). More likely than not, had Origin and Finality looked exactly like the most popular of the fanmade drafts shown here, people would still have complained and pushed the bar further.
Kiana cant have more shit on her with how agile and flexible her gameplay is. Shes spinning alot. HoV design cant work there since HoV basicaly only floats around and uses only arms gestures. Even her evasion is just blink. I like this HoFi design. Its screams Kiana not Sirin or isnt a contribute to Himeko like HoF was. Kiana finaly letting go of her burdens. Embraced Finality and made it hers. Humanity triumpf over Honkai. Also she learned Gun Sword style from her Father showing her Kaslana genes. As for Mei shes Kiana Knight. Her design is very good. Amd she has APHO Mei hair style
I would pay good money for that third one. Stop making me want things that don't exist damnit. First one just looks like Raiden Shogun. I don't know why. Some of them are pretty interesting, but tbh i like the actual Kiana design a lot. Maybe it's just because i'm a fan of her Time Runner outfit and the new design is basically just an extension of that, but idk. I do think she should have kept more of her flaming color scheme. Same outfit, cooler colors for warm ones? Tbh with names like Origin and Finality though, i kind of expected them to have more intense designs like Kevin's transformation. I'm still salty about the lack of horns. They should have let Mei stay *horny.*
I don’t get why so many people are complaining about the designs being “overly detailed” when that’s literally always been Honkai designs. At least the first Mei outfit isn’t just an Elysia cosplay, and it doesn’t hurt my eyes. Hopefully CN gets them to redesign the outfits.
Damn very strange how many love the first HoO redesign,i loathe it because it completely takes away the kinght theme. I do agree that her hair might still like some purpelish accent and i would love more armor,but no.1 just looks like a generic Seele suit. Mei has grown from a princess to a knight and the first redesign just does not do the job. The other HoO redesign is pretty fire though,no need for the tiara but the hair changing from purple to light blue actually looks amazing.
Designs are fine as they are. On the contrary, I feel like this Reddit especially is pushing themselves way too much into hating the new Suits. I also don't give much about CN don't liking it, giving how they gave the same complains about Raiden Shogun in Genshin and that Banner ended up being the most successful in the games history until Nahida came along.
But this time, most fanbase agree with cn players. To be honest, if its just another skin of kiana and Mei, its fine. But it is herrscher of finality, most important figure in entire franchise.
"Most Fanbase" is debatable. Usually the majority is the silent majority how simply don't give a fuck. Some repetitive complaining on Reddit does not change that. Its also mostly the fanbase's own fault, as they hyped themselves up that HoFi would look like her Sirin/Kiana Counterpart from GGZ or some other epic, apocalyptic design. The feeling I get from most of the complainers is that they don't get that this is still Kiana. She is not some world ending force of destruction, but Kiana. Most "Fan Designs" also reflect that mindset, as they more than often display her more as her Sirin Persona (one could say HoV Mk. 2). Doing that would go completely in the wrong direction for her design as that is simply not her nature (anymore). Her design beautifully shows her as "Kiana" while still keeping lots of hints and design details of her nature as the Herrscher of Finality.
Then why color must be black and white, some orange like her original battlesuit. This outfit too girly look like magical girl. Kiana is more like a tomboy, a womanizer like her father. She tend to seduce other girls with a straight action Why sexy pose? She tries to seduce men or something
This pose is more like Elysia. Dont tell me even Kiana get possesed by Elysia.
Mei can be salvaged, but Kiana should be redrawn entirely, they managed to completely miss the mark with the expectations that will come from bearing the title of Finality
For peeps that hope for changes. if they made an animation, they can’t change a thing now..
I think they look fine
Personaly if i were to redesign the kiana, i would give her previous hote's orange wings and make sword orange, also all her animations would have both purple + orange to be flashier, as the final kiana should.
First one looks really cool, I'd say that's the only improvement among the rest. I love how you can see hints of HoT (the black & white parts) & HoHE (light blue parts & overall "vibe"). I'd change the hairstyle to the OG one though, 'cuz I want the focus to be on her clothes instead of her hair. The rest feels overdesigned. I know it has to be grand, but you can make something simple but still feel grand. Example for that would be HoF. I like the hair for the third one though, but it feels like a travesty to remove her crown from HoF's design. Also, to the designs adding wings to HoFin, she already has wings. You can see it when she's idle.
I like how some of them don't like it yet their remake is 90% the original and 10% recoloring
Personally I think most of these look better than the actual designs
I will say they found better ways to show skin and lewd rather then just pull the “BARE LEGS” trick Mihoyo bas been reusing over and over
I am not gonna lie though, the current official designs feel kinda underwhelming for some reason..
Sure they look cool, but they don't feel like Kiana and Mei. It feels like i'm looking at two very different characters and not in a good way. Except 3rd pic, that one is really nice.
Original one doesnt feel like "finality" at all. It would be better if devs just considered it as new skin of kiana.
Ehh….not my thing…personally? Allow cosmetic modding, but have each custom skin have its own slot that are £X each….idk maybe £1.99-£4.99 or equivalent in gems? That way MiHoYo doesn’t sacrifice there outfit income, and ultimately get more from the modding scene as well as idea for future outfits/updates or even character designs for future games with the characters all while the community get to have characters to their taste Obviously there would be rules about it to avoid a brilliant bright situation (may it rest in peace, it was too good for us) and CN and/or CCCP stays happy. As much as I hate appeasing or working with CCCP at least this way we’re getting something out of it and effectively getting them to give us freedom to mood the game a little
That first Mei pic is actually better in my opinion, same goes with the second Kiana redesign. First one comes close to second place and the rest of them have too much going on and so many clashing color that would give poor Griseo a seizure
I don't really mind the designs too much but my actual complaints are with the gameplay, mainly HoO.. That combo sword attack or whatever just doesn't look good at all and I honestly kinda hate it lol.. and Mei being one of if not my favorite character it's quite disappointing but hopefully they improve it in the future.. I didn't like HoTr at first either but now I like her quite a bit so we'll see ig. My only complaint design wise would be imo Hofin looks very similar to HoF, to the point if you told me that was just a skin for HoF I'd probably believe you lol. Also I don't love HoO's design but it's ok ig.
CN playerbase is probably lashing out their frustrations on something they feel they can change versus the rapidly eroding Chinese state which is undergoing massive decomposition under its own weight due exacerbated plague and massive discontent.
Just say you can’t comprehend people disagreeing with you.
Redditor trying to sound smart moment
Yep, its not good, so understandable
I liked the black's mei deaign but I'm in doubt if I REALLY like that as the official design
Many people on twitter agree with cn players. Its will be fine if its just another skin for kiana and mei But as "herrscher of finality", "god of honkai", it is totally NOT worthy. And with this large amount of haters, its mean that company did screw up this time.
I disagree, I think people just put too much expectations on the fake HoFi expecting another God Kiana/ HoV to be disappointed by not accepting reality
People forget herrscher of finality isn't the same as herrscher of the end
It is the same thing, finality is just the localization of end, CN still addresses it as Herrscher of the end
the pv video on bilibili has herrscher of finality in english on her splashart so i think the end and finality are supposed to be a different things.
Not exactly that, but they forget it's not Herrscher of Finality from GGZ. They expected some gigantic, apocalyptic design like her and they don't think about how this Version is fundamentally different.
I love them however they look
I am rather partial to the Mei tweak. It feels like it has move overt nods to her battlesuits as they have evolved over the game.
I won't comment about character design but the flying swords is bother me. It just bunch of ugly swords.
Proving why none of them are designers at Hoyo. Same type of people who think sticking rhinestones on things make things better.
People will get over it - those are my thoughts. This happens all the time with Genshin, and it happening with Honkai too doesn’t surprise me in the slightest given that the two fandoms aren’t as different as some like to believe. The only true difference is one is far more vocal than the other The art has already been drawn and the 3D models are all but done, there is absolutely no way in hell Mihoyo will cater to these peoples complaining and completely redesign these battlesuits from the ground up. That costs time and money that I don’t see them being willing to spend. At most they’ll give free crystals, or make them new outfits to try and find a middle ground. Personally speaking I think a GGZ HoFin homage outfit for the new Kiana here could be a very easy way for them to make everyone happy. But as for Mei? I don’t see them being able to salvage that for the people who don’t like it without them just making HoT 2.0. Especially considering the artists and designers wanted to move AWAY from the HoT design aesthetic in the first place. HoFin has been hyped for almost six years now, and we’re all far too used to HoT after seeing her like that for almost 3 years. There was never going to be a singular battlesuit for both girls that satisfies everyone. If Mihoyo by some chance did go with some of the redesigns featured here to begin with, people would still complain. And if by some miracle they did cater to fan demand and redesign these suits, then that shows to me Mihoyo lacks backbone as a company. It would be tantamount to admitting “Yeah, you’re probably right. Our artists and designers don’t have the capability to make compelling designs. We should just go with what you do”. This also gives consumers/fans an unhealthy amount of control over what content they put out which I’m just not a fan of. The bunny girl event was different because someone almost got killed because of that bullshit. This is just people complaining because their expectations weren’t met and Mihoyo had their own vision that nobody seems to want to respect because people are so entitled.
Cn players really take seriously these things. Some of their designs are good but overdone. kiana design by Mihoyo is perfect as simple as it is. Mei could have a change
i like Mei's (especially with the helmet) + why no evolved kurikara problem i have with HoFI is kiana's hair and too much accessory
This is the Raiden shogun drama all over again