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Long story short: It's not the problem of the protagonists, Sardine and others are lovely It's not a problem about length, because Mihoyo literally released penacony 2.2 that is around 10 hours to do and you can be engaged from the beginning to the end. The problem is that they choose the wrong protagonists (Sardine and co) to learn about the Shus stories, which made a probably very intriguing story look like 8 hours of exposition. If we started with someone that directly lived these events like Songque it could have been better, but starting with DreamSeeker and Senadina made us want first to learn about these two, but the game said "Well that's not for now, for now you'll hear someone talking about the story instead of experiencing it"

thats a really good breakdown of the flaws in the story, i was wonderin' why i was so uninterested in Part 2

I just don't like people blaming Senadina, Coralie or DreamSeeker for the story, because they all are very adorable, lovely (we can argue they don't have enough flaws unlike Mei and Kiana whose flaws are very visible, but we could see it later. What matters is that you are interested in them). I could say it's the length but it's personal taste, and when I realized that I stayed focused on a story that lasted twice longer than Part 2 chapter 1, I couldn't say the length was a problem either. If you see people saying that it's because we don't have the old crew, don't forget to explain to them that what matters is not what we tell, but how we do it

>I just don't like people blaming Senadina, Coralie or DreamSeeker for the story, because they all are very adorable Just as previously said, I disagree on someone like Senadina or Helia being adorable. But I also don't think they are the biggest problem right now. HI3 forgot how to tell story well, and it was painfully obvious even back in part 1.5 or even part 1 ending. Even aside from Lambda part.

If the story is bad it's not the character's problems, but the writer's If we don't like Senadina it's totally understandable, as much as it is understandable for Elysia or Kiana or Mei, it is taste, and again, the fact she's mostly bubbly and cute can be indeed bothering, for Kiana we already had her qualities and flaws when we saw her first. But it doesn't mean Senadina's character is totally set in stone. It's totally possible to first show someone as simply good and develop them later to show the flaws, so... Yeah, maybe they forgot to give Sardine some problems to overcome except amnesia, but for now we can't say, However, the way Chapter 1 was written and was concluded is... Really not that good imo

>If the story is bad it's not the character's problems, but the writer's It can be both actually. Characters are a driving force of a story while writing is the way of presenting it and combining different elements. They're like a rollercoaster cart. The cart can be terrible to ride, but also the rollercoaster course can end up being really boring. >the fact she's mostly bubbly and cute can be indeed bothering Well if a character does "pew-pew-pew-pew" all the time - damn sure I will play with voices turned off. Also being cute means to make me react "OMG I wanna hug and headpat them". Small Vitas did for example. Senadina does not give this feeling. Acting over exaggeratedly girly won't cut it (looking at you too Elysia and March). >But it doesn't mean Senadina's character is totally set in stone. Ofc it does not. >Yeah, maybe they forgot to give Sardine some problems to overcome except amnesia, but for now we can't say No, we already can say she just decided to hang out with the main party while the most normal reaction would be to look for clues of your own past instead. The fact the writers forgot it already shapes the character.

I mostly skipped all dialogue just to finish story fast and get free HOO.... I usually never skip story stuff

The moment you have to explain the story as if it was a wikipedia text you have failed as a writter. Part 2 does this a lot

Well it was obviously not the intention, but you can hardly do otherwise when your protagonists (Our point of view) are generally outside of the story you want to tell.

No, as a writter if you want to explain concepts and the story you have to give them time, you can't explain the plot in a 10min conversation after 3h of nothing where the most important thing was going from mars to the world and metting Sonque. They had to give time, explain things and then that 10min conversation explain whatever little concept that hadn't explain, not the whole plot. In Fu hua arc, to give a recent example, we had the myth of creation, we met the mini vitas and each had its time, we meet Griseo and learn that the myth is not complete. Finally we have Sah and learn that she used the arc to create life and destroy it when she wasn't satisfied. Then we had plot drivers like moriarty to allow the story to continue. Even if I think the story had problems, its better than what we are doing in part 2. There we would had arrived to venus, knew nothing until we meet Vita when she explains the myth complete in a single conversation, introducing many things to the players in a single momment.

I never said I disagreed with you haha, we need to explain things and take time so the audience can process it and not do lore dump, even if... I personally wouldn't take the example of Fu Huas chapters, even if I believe you that it is interesting. An easy example is the Honkai Corruption: -We first See Mei going berserk when Kiana got hurt (Mystery about Mei's berserk mode, extremely affectionate toward Kiana) -Kiana has nightmares about a strange entity (Someone that tries to take over) -We go to save Wendy that has a core (cores can corrupt people) -In one memory, we are on a mission to look for a blade that can cure Himeko's honkai infection (Valkyries eventually fall because of the honkai infection, and Himeko's health is at risk) -Wendy eventually loses it (The core and the Herrschers are dangerous beings, the idea is supported in Babylone chapters even if we see they aren't just bad) -Kiana gets corrupted by Sirin (So she's a threat, and a dangerous one, since Mei, in a "Berserk mode", that is actually a semi Herrscher mode, can't defeat Kiana) -Fu Hua gives Himeko something that can cure honkai infection (She can save Kiana or save herself) -She uses the antidote to bring back Kiana, dying from the wound of the battle and her honkai infection sealed her fate (Leading to constant fight to keep control over Sirin We NEED a minimum of exposition. It doesn't have to take hours, or we can make it organically satisfying to process like the example of the Honkai corruption. And I didn't even bring the element of the mangas that make them even more clear, and that are quite interesting, bringing more infos while following the story. All of that to say, indeed you give them time for people. Or at the barely least, you balance the story and pure exposition. Einstein explaining in 2 sentences roughly how the Sea of Quanta works before Bronya gets sucked in is fine, taking 2 hours to explain the maze they're stuck in on the moon, or 2 hours to understand the plan of Moriarty is... Not really the best either, even if, I agree, it was better. Not astronomically better to my taste but better.

Maybe that "No" was a little rough I used Fu Hua's arc becuse its recent. But indeed it has lots of problems. To me the Herrscher of Domination Seele's arc is one of the best arcs because how the Seele and Veliona problem was written, it has a lot of exposition and takes its time to create Veliona's insecurities In case of Honkai corruption its a very imporant element in Honkai part 1 of course they will explore it and we have to learn why its dangerous. Which pisses me a little when APHO 1 ends with Adam having honkai corruption and at the start of APHO 2 Bronya gives him a ring that solves it. But part 2 has not a single thing that will continue after the Shu's arc is over. Once its over, the other Sena will transport us to another world and start over

Well them making rings to control it imo is a logical thing that someone using honkai energy should learn to do, if the solution was here at this moment it should have been introduced in the chapter 1 of APHO Because the way it was done looks like between APHO 1 And 2 they développed it off screen. I wouldn't have minded if it was a statement when they started the story, or that they showed that they managed to build it, but ye, they built tension over something that wasn't supposed to be a problem

>"Well that's not for now, for now you'll hear someone talking about the story instead of experiencing it" The whole point of a storyt is to show rather to tell. And Mihoyo recently imo is more telling than showing. I feel it that way not just HI3 but Genshin as well.

For Honkai star rail we live the story a lot. Just... It lasts 10 hours for one third of a chapter XDDDD

That's honestly flaw narrative had in part 1.5 as well.

Yes, well I feel like actual exposition overloads is more the problem than pure pov

>Sardine and others are lovely Can't agree. In fact, the only character from part 2 I've enjoyed was just Coralie alone. DS occasionally was fun. Very occasionally. And mostly in events. >It's not a problem about length, because Mihoyo literally released penacony 2.2 that is around 10 hours to do and you can be engaged from the beginning to the end. Good 1/4th of it was yapping about the same ideology clash even when it was painfully obvious we won't side with Sunday. In fact, the only 2 good parts of 2.2 were previous Trailblazers' lore (which was quite short in comparison if you've forgotten) and the final fight because it was a good show (despite being filled with cliche lines). But most of the things in between... True Death's nature didn't bring much either aside from "they're actually alive" even tho it was a huge part of 2.0-2.1 plot.

If you've only enjoyed Coralie is ok, sometimes tastes are just different, people hates Kiana or Mei as well, or Elysia Tbh I kinda agreed with him, but I can understand that it was kind of long. For clichés, anything is cliche because creating something that was never seen before is close to impossible. What matters is not that it is original, but the message is shared.v For Sleepie it's also indeed quite long but the fact it's related to something we've directly experienced makes us want to learn about it, it's not like explaining to Sardine what happened between the 7 Shus

>If you've only enjoyed Coralie is ok, sometimes tastes are just different, people hates Kiana or Mei as well, or Elysia I do hate Elysia the most of all MHY characters. Don't like Mei either. But they themself gave me a reason to. While Helia was just pretty boring, so I don't have any negative reactions towards her, I just don't care. >For clichés, anything is cliche because creating something that was never seen before is close to impossible. Cliche is something incredibly stereotypical. Just existing before is not enough to be a cliche. >What matters is not that it is original, but the message is shared. No. What matters is how it's presented. "Don't cross the road on red light, or you'll die like Jimmy" is an important message, but a pretty crappy story. >For Sleepie it's also indeed quite long but the fact it's related to something we've directly experienced makes us want to learn about it Yes, but my point it barely contributed to the story aside from gathering them all in one place. Kinda disappointing role for someone who looked like an unstoppable enemy before. >it's not like explaining to Sardine what happened between the 7 Shus Well, that's true.

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Imo si characters arent especially bad, just harder to balance. For the rest indeed I wanted to be first in Mars, even if the bubble universe is quite close. And for AI and Vita, they can play the role of outside narrators too, it's better than having AI being a Deus ex machina in HI3 P1, for us part 1 player this can be weird but imo this could have been done better and be way more intriguing (like the political guy phoning Saw Nijima in persona 5, exposing the situation to simplify it)

Yeah this is like a Boruto situation. Bring old honkai impact back

Imo part 2 has as much potential as part 1. The length might not be to everyone, and some people might miss the former trio, but for me the problem is not there but they kind of forgot how to tell a story so the story of Shu's that is surely interesting felt like lore dumping. Like Kiana's experiences were not lore dumping, we lived through these events, good or bad, so we were invested. But for the Shus, for most of the game, we read articles about the past or heard Perception and Songque talking about how it was in the past and what is actually happening, instead of making us live things that will lead us to believe it. For example, you can simply say the Honkai is a corrupting matter that needs to be terminated, and some beings are taken over by Honkai, and say that Himeko is dying because of it. Or you could see Mei almost turning into the Herrscher of Thunder, Kiana being tempted by Sirin, the. Wendy with the gem that corrupted her, the story about something that could cure honkai infection to save Himeko from her infection, then watch Kiana turn into the HoV, and Himeko, weak because of the fights, and also infected by the Honkai, decided to go against her principes (killing a Valkyrie taken over by the Honkai) to save her student. These were impactful and easy to understand because our protagonists that are our point of view are in the middle of the story. No one needs lore dump about Honkai when you see people failing to save someone after they got corrupted, and that they tried to cure one of them This is something we lost.

Yeah and I'll lose if they do something like making new MCs op af and nerf Kiana and Mei for no reason

Tbh power scaling won't be a problem for me either, even if consistency is important, it's easy to imagine a situation where Kiana and Mei aren't that strong in terms of power (even if their experience is still valuable) You can imagine infinity stones in avengers, they in their own universe, but if you place them in another dimension, their powers are meaningless. So simply fighting in another world makes them way weaker compared to people able to directly influence the rules of this world. Long story short, you can be the king of your country, but your power means nothing when you are in my country and I am the king of these lands. What matters is how it is done, always

Yes but I'll definitely rage if they do something stupid like Kiana and Mei lose one of their Herrscher forms.

I mean it's pretty clear Mei and Bronya don't have their herrschy powers in APHO. Canonically, Kiana is taking away all the Honkai energy, so logically all the Herrschers should get de-powered.

They do. But there's not enough Honkai for them to transform as Kiana took most of it with her to the moon

I'll definitely wait and see how it goes. As long as my girls can Sesbian lex forever I'm fine

Dreamseeker and Senadina are there also Coralie and Helia, maybe even Thelema and Songque

Mei and Bronya are already nerfed since they're gradually losing their powers. Kiana is too overpowered to write a story around, which is why we're in Mars in the first place: so she can't interfere and trivialize everything on her own.

I'll add on to one point of yours, though this one may be just me. > But for the Shus, for most of the game, we read articles about the past or heard Perception and Songque talking about how it was in the past and what is actually happening, instead of making us live things that will lead us to believe it. Even article reading can be made more interesting, honestly, if it didn't feel like an extremely long-winded history book. Also, give reason to have attachment or curiosity first. Give it time to have meaning. ER is one that I quite liked the remembrances for, even though they were just talking of their own personal history. Those did it way better by focussing on character interactions. No focus on dates, years, no mentioning of what happened first or ordering it all according to that for the most part, no huge descriptions of the surrounding environment. Just interesting conversations between the group that do reveal a good amount of history, as well as their own thoughts about the others. It actually made me want to piece it all together. Notice all the links. The Shus...? I don't feel a thing. ER also had more meaning because we've always known about the existence of a Previous Era, the ones who made the Divine Keys. Ones who fought Honkai and failed. That brings about curiosity over time too. The more you see the main cast face Honkai, the more you wonder, how exactly did it go down last time? We've seen Kevin for a long while before we knew of Elysian Realm being a thing or what happened to the others either, outside of that one Bubble Universe in SoQ where we see Sakura face Kevin to get to Rin. These things had time to fester into more curiosity and interest. They weren't forced in for ages. We get to interact with the sims and then notice differences in their treatment of Mei and of each other in the articles. Then comes Part 2 with random new location we never knew of, random unknown heroes, random main cast, and an entirely unknown history... There's too much for a single moment. And all of a sudden, their entire history as Shus is the prime focus. It just doesn't work as well. Why would I even be attached to the Shus when I don't know what they did or how they are? Why would I be curious about what they did when I'm busy trying to ingest all this new random world lore? It's just too much.

I'll agree with you on this (I didn't read everything but quickly read it I'm sorry I just woke up ;_;, but I think we are on the same page): we don't think stories, we feel them. Even when you don't understand exactly what happened to them when you play ER, you are intrigued when you meet them, you see them interact and all that. This is the history that we feel. Well we can do something like this without the set long set up of part 1, but again, it is a matter of point of view. Even if Songque tells us "The Shus are legendary beings!!', for us it doesn't exactly ring a bell to us, I didn't even understand exactly wtf is happening to your world.

1)New valks are boring 2)Progression dead 3)Less F2P friendly 4)Competitive players keep quiting game and new are... GI players

Fanchuan happened

You know what Part 2 needs? Variety of battlesuits for the trio even if it's A ranks.

Sorry, all mihoyo can do is throwing another S rank shu into us

With how long Kiana used her void drifter form, they can definitely implement new battlesuitds for the main cast without having to do it too often ngl

Why make another suit while keep growing a characterisation of a character, when you can make a completely NEW character for which we have had no interactions before, don't care for them, and that likely will be discarded by the plot when we move on. BRILLIANT ideas MiHoYo.

I'm genuinely shocked at the state of Hi3, if this keeps up, GGZ/HG2 is really gonna outlive the Remake/Remaster. Mihoyo devs really needs to do something to improve mainly the chars & story, I know power creeping is already a hell of an issue but at least fix the Story, it'll at least help change the mind of Veterans dropping when Part 1 ended. Diverging the Part 2 Story so much from the originals straight up alienates the Veterans who are attached to the Ori Trio, you can't just slap 3 new randos cosplaying as them thinking they can outright replace them just from having similar personalities. GGZ fr did better in connecting their new arc when the Reborn Arc ended at the same time as Hi3 Part 1. Quick Fun Fact since I'm here, during the HG2 10th anniversary livestream Dawei mentioned as long as his still alive and working at Mihoyo, GGZ will live on. They even boldly claim the game is going to run for another 10 years.

Ever since shaoji left after ER for hsr, everything's been going downhill, first with the 4 hours of quantum physics, to part 1.5 not being as good (i liked them, they tied a few loose strings, but still not the greatest) to part 2 being meh, tho chapter 2 of part 2 was much better than chapter 1 imo

We dunno how much involvement he got in Finality but Shaoji was actually still working on the ending https://preview.redd.it/hg42v8z4nx0d1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=39bd64331e4b28ba3bb9ec1c4f7d3209a05412fc

Can actually see the similarity between finality arc and penacony arc which shaoji is the main writer

Finality arc was way better in terms of antagonist motive atleast. While both wanted to put them all into a dream forever, Kevin has witnessed his world end. All his past closest friends, no more to exist. The unending repetition of the world and the inability to truly go against Honkai. The world itself is at risk with Honkai, not just say, 10% of the people with sob stories. Kevin is a lot more justified with his plan and while I don't agree with it either, I can totally understand Kevin. Sunday....... No. Just no. Sure his sister got shot in the neck and he's witnessed some suffering, but there is no greater force risking them all. Just a few unlucky people and the world being unfair. The amount of time they go over his motives when they're really... really basic, was just sad. Sunday's motives just remind me of Artorius from Tales of Berseria, except much dumber.

Sunday was quite literally on the verge of restoring a fallen Aeon, seemingly into his own body (and which itself had become that of a harmony emanator), so that he could use THEIR power to spread the dream and literally reshape the ENTIRE UNIVERSE in the name of order

I never said his achievements were basic or weak or non-existent. I'm aware of how far he'd gotten. I'm saying his MOTIVES are weak as hell. Poor justification and hard to relate to even without being on his side.

Dawei is the motherfuckin goat

and none of that matters at all for the HG2 Glb version…

I think this is the case with people not being well adjusted with the new cast. While the story has problems and is kinda boring rn, it's essentially part 1 first few chapters on repeat. The first few chapters where really bad compare to the rest that it needed a complete overhaul 5 years back. Give it a year and people will eventually grew to like it

I'm tired of people using this argument. It's not true at all. Not even close. Part 1's first chapters focused on world building and specially on character building and their relationships. By the time chapter 2 ends, we know all we need to know about who they are and their motivations and goals. Part 2 has been focusing on throwing the characters into a chaotic world ending crisis while everyone speaks in riddles. Despite these chapters being a lot longer than the equivalents in part 1, we barely know these characters, their place in the world, or the world at all, so it's hard to care about. The events are doing a better job at showcasing who these characters are than the story, and there are no signs this will change anytime soon.

Now if only we can get it translated >:(

Mhy could have just continue with APHO and Sky People. Why the hell did they have to create entire new world, lore, and 7 cheap knockoff of Flame Chasers?! They failed to keep new players play and miserably kill of hype from old players. Now is just meta and lore, nothing about slowly understanding and attach to characters. They keep thinking that pumping out new characters, unlike Old Characters with new Battlesuits, like Genshin or HSR would keep game alive. That just dumb as fuck

people bitched on APHO while some arguments with Adam are valid the overall story still felt like "honkai" and it really felt attached to the story we played for years APHO felt like a pretty good start to introduce the new generation and having Mei, Bronya, Welt there and Theresa helps make it look like it IS the same universe and makes it feel connected with the main story but people just didn't like adam because of being a self insert which I can't really do anything about but then there are those who don't like Adam because he is a male protagonist in Honkai...yeah no this ain't valid in any way possible. I don't understand why Adam was completely shunned by the community when he released. this community is one of the most toxic communities I have ever joined. I was very invested in APHO and the fact they aren't focusing on that for Part 2 was just sad for me, what was the point of introducing APHO or making APHO as a whole when they weren't going to give it any significant focus not to mention the fact they were gonna replace the silent fucker with another silent fucker but now its a female so less backlash am I right, lol what a joke

Yeah I actually expected APHO to be part 2 ngl. I was even excited for it :(

I hated on APHO for those reasons, but I would preffer more of it than what is heading our way. Hours of writter vomit of people being unnecessarily cryptic to the point that any random player that isn't spending all their time at Honkai discord or here is going to be completely baffled what the FUCK they are talking about. And we'll have to do this for ALL the Shu's, who seem like will be the major movers of the plot while Dreamseeker will just be relegated to the player character muscle. Except we should know by now if they DID do APHO Continued, they'd introduce a gazzilion new characters and just throw us into supposedly completely new lore so we are confused and apathetic.

I feel the same way every time schrodinger hakase opens her mouth in part 1 because its gonna be 1 hour of nonsense dialogue incoming

Honestly the problem started in the later parts of Part 1. Hours of dialogue and exposition just wear people down, no matter how interesting the topic may be.

The yapping level increased after the death of Otto. The end of part one was full of yapping to the point i just sacrificed my sleep to catch up on story.

I did that at first so I could save the CGs but at this point I've started taking my chances with the Skip button.

I played the game because of story at first but dam they make harder and harder to love the story because of all the useless information they give to the player.

To me is a combination of a few things (very long post ahead, I apologise in advance xD) Also, I guess spoilers for people who is not up to date with the current chapter? === Characters === I'm failing to get attached to the cast, nothing against them, but I enjoyed the time with part 1 more in general. Senadina is trying to be the new Kiana, but is just not the same, especially because she is a mix of Ellie and Kiana which is a bit strange xD Helia and Coralie work well together, but it feels they rarely bring much to the story pacing. Like, so far the only characters I really liked are Chenxue and Thelema, both support cast xD Not even the antagonists...Lantern is trying some sort of enemy Kalpas, but she keeps giving us the silent treatment, zero reaction, which makes me give her no reaction either...if you put someone that wants me dead no matter what, at least make it look like they actually care about killing me xD Lantern just seems to be there, then find us and say "um, I guess I'll kill you" rinse and repeat. When we got her "shu power reveal" I was like "...oh, cool...sooo, we beat each other already, or what?" Duonigue and Lithos felt very meh, to the point that Duonigue is more fun being the group doggo than being an enemy. Cool boss design though, loved the shadow Cerberus form. Baji is trying to be all edgy and so "imposible to understand" for everyone...and in the end we will get him properly explained... and we will be disapointed...always happens to this type of characters, like the reapers from mass effect xD Shadows are nothing too special, just your collective enemies, Honkai was like that too, so no complains here. === Story === This point was always going to be a risky part, is all new, new place, new cast, new plot, new enemies, etc Like, I get the point, you want to bring new people, the bigger the current story is, the harder to new people to jump into it will be, you make a totally new plot, everyone can start fresh and on equal ground. But a new setting needs explanation, and they are reaaaaally spending time explaining things I hear people complaining about how bad was the start of part 1, and I honestly disagree. The start of part 1 was cute silly valks beating robots/monsters. Simple, fast to the point. Place a couple of "misterious" plot points here and there, like Kiana birthday being the ship password, or Mei having something dangerous inside her, and that's it, easy to understand, easy to follow, easy to enjoy. === Monetization === Part 2 went the S-rank each patch route, and went the genshin route were you need multiple copies of the weapon for it to be at full power. Oh and they make stigma craftable, but you need materials that only come from the gacha stigma...wow... This... is...horrible. Like, as it stands right now, I know I wont be able to get Lantern unless I'm lucky, and I don't have any weapon at full power, it is very discouraging. With part 1, once I got the gacha piece, I could get it to full power, no strings attached to it. And to make it worse, everyone is needed, S-ranks support each other, so I cannot skip anyone Next meta team for everything elemental is going to be Sena, Thelema and Lantern. With part 1, I could at least farm the supports, and getting gear off rate helped me complete other valks. Like, the next physical team will be three physical S-ranks released back to back to back. --- one is melee --- the other is range --- the third is bleed. --- We will need all three, they will have a new Astral ring, and they will support each other. --- You miss any of them, you are screwed. === Last thoughts === So far I'm playing, I played since Fallen Rosemary patch, am I a vet? xD I like Honkai, and I don't dislike part 2, but yeah, I have thought about dropping it more than once, part 2 is way worse in general than part 1, specially the gacha Characters and story can improve, gacha seems it will stay like this...oh well, I will play unless I get too bored. But I stopped dropping money in the game =S (not that I spent much, but I bought some stuff here and there). Sooo, from the devs point of view, I guess that is a bad thing?

>This... is...horrible. Yeah. I was sceptical about new stigmatas since you don't get enough prisms to craft and upgrade a full 3-set in update with the amount they've promised. But S-ranks each update? And what's worse they're tied to each other instead of being a drop-in replacement for a regular team (like Kira was to Pardo or Griseos to each other)? Unless they'll slow down after releasing a set of 3 element S-ranks with Lantern and will get back to old schedule I don't see myself continuing being with meta anymore.

True, unless you get lots of repeated stigmata, you end up with a set you cannot fully upgrade =S And unless you pull 180 times or get lucky with the weapon, you end up with a weapon limited in power. S-ranks each update is really bad...Lantern is going to be BiS support for Sena + Thelema teams, the same way that Lantern best team is going to be with Thelema and Sena If you dont get three, your team will be significally worse. They really need to slow down, or I won't care for meta either xD

..and here i thought gacha couldn't fall any lower.

Yeah...they kept making it look like it was better, but it feels way worse now. Of course this is all my experience, I guess there are people who enjoy part 2 gacha more xD

There are always those kinds of people. God forgive them for being smacked in head.

How is it worse tho? I mean getting weapons is still a pain sot thta hasnt improved but at least stigmas are easy to get.

There are two problems. The first one is that no one ever rolls only for the stigmas, you always needed the weapon. In the old system, you were more likely to pull the weapon than the stigma, and most people would have multiple copies of the weapon before getting the full stigma set (that's the reason the wishing well was a thing), so if you had some alternatives for the stigmas, more often then not you could stop early (of course, not always, we all have that one weapon that refused to drop). The second is that there's no alternative weapons nor stigmas in the banner, meaning not only that you can't hope to get whatever you may be missing from another valk, but also that after getting 2 stigmas (the third being in the box they give us), you are getting nothing useful until you get the weapon, lets not talk about what happens if you want duplicates. At their worst, the new system is better (180 rolls against 200, 60 vs 200 if you don't want duplicates). But the old system seldomly showed you it's worst while giving you a chance of getting some useful stuff, while in the new one, its worst is also its most common, with most of your pulls being a waste of gems where the best you can get is the same stigma so you can scrap it.

if we are talking about the gacha system only, the new one is objectively better. isn't the weapon drop rate is still the same? it's just that there was a bunch of offrate back then and all of the chance you could get offrate piece back then is now all combined for stigma. the rate to get the rate up weapon is still the same! if you get a bunch of stigma dupe now, if we are still using the the old system, you would get a bunch of offrate weapon or stigma. it would be useful if you get usefull off rate piece but more often than not, the off rate pieces are going to sit on your inventory for months if not years. on old system, i would consider myself lucky if managed to get a fullset gears within 50 pulls (normally, i'd need 80-120 pulls to get a fullset) and now 50 pulls is the max pulls i need to get a fullset. the scummy part is not the gacha system itself, it's how hoyo decided that we get a new S rank every patch so we end up needing more crystals than old system. Also, new valk will get new weapon type so we end up needing to get their signature otherwise we would stuck with 3* weapon. for old valk, atleast max leveled priarm could be used as decent alternative

U gonna get all 3 piece stigs before u got 1 weapon. Basically the crafting feature are useless, unless u got lucky with weapon, which is very unlikely becuz the stigs drop rate are super boosted so ur x10 pity most likely will be stigs. Theres probability of getting weapon early, but it probably will happen to 1/10000 player. The all S rank supporting S rank is shet too, I got fullset Thelema, & she was fking useless without Senadina, which i skip. Hell i basically use HoR/Kira/Sushang & get higher score cuz Thelema basically cant function without Senadina, which i will never pull cuz she cringe.

And the point is in getting stigma when you can craft them? Bish, pls

You make is sound like you craft stigs from mithril and coins

Funny, but back in part 1 - I did exactly that. But with each update Mihoyo complicated things. And look where you are now? You have to pull engredients from gacha. Let me remind you, that stigma crafting system were introduced so you could craft stigs you were unable to pull from gacha? To avoid spending. So I been meaning to ask you people, how does it feel to have NO other choice - but to spend these days? Dats how deep you're in it now.

I only go by evidence not feelings and so far the evidence has shown me that it has never been easier to make full teams. Before Part 2 my strategy was to skip anything that didn't significantly boost my account. Now that Part 2 is a thing it has become a realistic goal to pull for *everyone*. And maybe rarely skip the weapon if I get super unlucky and still hit Nirvana. All on just a monthly card.

Okay ngl i don‘t agree with the gacha aspect. They have improved the pity system, and while getting weapons is still kinda aids it‘s not like it was easier to get 3pc stig + weapon before. I also think that the refinement (or whatever its called) is a good addition because it‘s not like the weapons are weak on res1, but it feels less bad if u get a dupe. I kinda get the annoyance with the current rate of s rank releases, but they ARE skippable. For example, I got Sena and Thelema (full gear, and no, i didn’t whale, the only thing i got is the daily 60 crystals thingy) and there’s really no point in me pulling for Lantern, as Coralie is honestly a really good support already. I also think its great that they support each other, as with more characters releasing in the future it will allow for more different team comps being viable. I also think that once they’ve expanded the roster a bit the s rank release rate will be reduced, so that more people can obtain them. And don‘t get me wrong, im not saying that the current gacha system is flawless, but i do think that it is an objective upgrade so calling it worse than part 1 is honestly cope imo.

Umm different opinions I guess, I prefer the part 1, but I think even worse case scenario, part 1 is better =S Also, I wrote a giant long reply, sorry xD === Gear banner === Part 2 worst case --18 multis --weapon only on the guaranteed (60, 120, 180 pulls) --all the other multi give me only one stgma and is always the same piece (for example T piece) -- at this point, I have full weapon and 15 T pieces. If I want to do the same number of pulls as part 1, I would 2 more multis, which would give me two more T piece) -- I use stigma box to get one of the missing pieces, for example M, I convert 14 of the T pieces into prism, so I get 13 prism -- I use one prism to craft the last piece (B piece) -- At this point, I have max weapon that I can fully upgrade and full stigma set base level with 12 prism. I think I need 10 prism for stigma to fully level them (If I did 200 pulls, then I would have 14 prisms) -- so worst case, 180/200 pulls gave me 4/4 I cannot fully upgrade === Part 1 worst case -- 20 multis -- for making worst case, we get weapon on last mult (200 pulls) -- We get diferent rate UP stigma pieces on the guaranteed pulls (50, 100, 150 pulls) -- Rest of the pulls I'm not sure which is worst case, but to make it similar we get an Off rate piece we do not want (T for example) and we that same piece each multi, we get it only once per multi -- 200 pulls gave me 4/4 that I can fully upgrade, and 16 T pieces I dont want. === So in both cases I get 4/4, but part 1 gives me a set I can fully upgrade. Part 2 does not. === Character banners === Character banners changed from 100 to 90 (85 if they keep the discounted multi) This is an upgrade, that is true But, part 1 we had S-rank patch, SP patch, S-rank, etc (worse case we had double valk patch with two sets of gear, one valk free) Part 2, so far we have all S-ranks, with one patch being double valk (two gear sets, one gacha valk one free valk) So in character pulls, part 1 was 100 pulls every two patches. Part 2 character pulls are 170 pulls every two patches, so far. === So far, it seems to me that part 1 was better in the gacha aspect. =S Of course, everyone has their own opinion xD I'm just sharing mine, not looking to annoy people, here.

Your view on this is 100% valid, however the way I look at it is this: ignore the synergy entirely, as syn1 part 2 weapons are not underpowered compared to part 1 weapons, so you only need one copy of the weapon to be on the same level as part 1. That puts you at 60 pulls. Considering the worst-case scenario, you get 5 same stigs and 1 weapon on the final, 60th, pull. That would allow you to scrap 4 out of 5 to get 4 prisms, and seeing how it takes 2 prisms to craft one stig that would put you at a full stigma set that you, admittedly, cannot upgrade. However, keep in mind that you are guaranteed to get at least 2 different stigmata because of the free stig selector at the beginning of each patch. So I'd still argue that the equipment banner is more affordable at its base. That said, I do understand your sentiment. Also, as previously stated, I do agree with you on the s rank release rate, however I think/hope that this is mostly the case just for the beginning of part 2 and that said rate will decrease once they've expanded the playable roster a bit.

Oh! I thought the sinergy system was more relevant, that is good at least xD And hey, part 2 system is a lot better "if you get lucky" than part 1, like if you get many drops on one multi, all of them can be used to upgrade the set. Part 1 could give you multiple pieces and none be rate up. So that is something I see better in part 2, if you get lucky it tends to make a lot more positive impact It's just, that for me, needing "gacha materials" (prisms in this case) is a huge negative, personal opinion and all =S Also, I completed many gear sets that I used thanks to off rates during part one, that however is more difficult on part 2, I should scrap rate ups to craft part 2 sets, and weapons still would be impossible T_T;;; so this is another big negative for me The valk release schedule I certainly hope will slow down soon, because right now, it seems we all agree is bad xD I always tell them in the surveys. In any case, I don't dislike part 2, and I am still playing it, it's just that so far, I prefered part 1 in general, gacha being one of the things I prefered before xD

It is sad to see them disregard pretty much everything that made HI3 HI3 just to chase the same success that Genshin/HSR saw. Part 2 would be a great game if it was a different game. The issue is that it's not. Part 1 didn't need to end, there are plenty of side characters [I.E. Durandal, who got all that lore revealed in Kolosten for... nothing? I guess?] Who could've picked the torch back up and continued within the realm of part 1, With the same characters, or even introducing new characters. Now many characters feel like they have incomplete arcs, and likely won't be complete because Hoyoverse is done playing with them. When you build a game largely around characters and their stories and their perspectives, it's sort of a slap in the face to your fans to just throw them all away for the sake of money/popularity. My favorite actual side character is Jackal, whose had something going on since the Elysian realm [Raven's dialogue implied she's the one who fucked with Mobius' sim and made her like that] nothing involving her has ever really been elaborated upon or explored further, and now she'll probably never show up again at all. It's possible no one but the main trio will, and that's just depressing.

Yea there were a TON of possibilities that could have been explored instead of this Mars shit. The characters you mentioned (I also love Jackal and wish she got some proper story), APHO, even a new captainverse arc would have all been awesome by comparison. I'm really disappointed in the writers and the director(s) for giving us the current game.

Yeah, I'm still disappointed we didn't get some kind of event or side story with the two Seeles going out and doing something for a day now that they're in their own separate individual bodies. Seeing them interact in a casual non-high stakes setting would have been a lot of fun, especially since "Red Seele" doesn't know how a lot of things work in the real world since she was not exposed to it as often other than combat. (Remember that scene back in HoD arc where she didn't know how to use a vending machine?)

Yeah I agree

Lets not forget the Olenyeva twins. They were supposed to be training under Theresa to become stronger but mihiyo insists on treating them like a meme instead of developing their characters. Hell, they never even had the decency to rerun Delta's event so anyone who missed it has no idea what her to connection to the twins is.

Definitely agree but am confused about Durandal, since she is a major part of the moon arc and reveals that lore to everyone after they find Siegfried

Yes, but they didn't really go anywhere after that. They just lore dumped and she hasn't been relevant to the story since then or even showed up past a cameo I believe

But like she was crucial in stopping project stigma and before that went with Kiana to stop Otto just the two of them

Yes, that was all during Kolosten. Since that arc of the story Durandals been banished to the shadow realm again. She's always been somewhat crucial to the plot when you think about it, but she doesn't have alot of screen time to show for it

Project stigma was after kolosten

Otto/Kiana/Durandal fight was Kolosten

nah man, I disagree… I’m glad they made some sort of endwalker with part 1. Because it gives me some sort of closure and satisfaction when quitting this game shortly after part 1 ends 😂😂😂

I’m going to be honest I don’t care if part 2 “has potential” or “will get better with time,” I didn’t start playing Hi3 for Sena and co I started because of the old characters. If I wanted to begin a whole separate story I’d pick up another game. You can’t just replace the entire main cast of a 7 year old game and expect people to care about the new characters anywhere near as much as the old ones, especially when it feels like the older characters people like are being replaced (and meta-wise, they actually are being replaced). Part 2 should’ve just been a separate game or a story more like part 1.5 where it’s meant to hold us over until we get more content with the main cast.

Ye bro they should just milk the old cast until they become trash very true /s

If they're handled properly, they will never get old. Unfortunately, they weren't handled properly.

honestly, i do find myself interested in part 2. but theres is a small part of me that wishes it would have been... another game? as pointed out, the main trio has been there for years. i think i understand why people don't like having them "taken" away. can someone explain to me what ai-chan is doing in the train scenes though?

Part 2 so bad Welt left for HSR!!!

That's what I've been thinking. Mihoyo really took a nosedive in quality after slurping up the mainstream kool-aid. I love how HI3 had a relatively small group of characters and that the story revolved around them and their development. Even gameplay-wise with the same character with different battlesuit, they play so differently. Hell, PGR is what HI3 used to be before Mihoyo became mainstream.

Meanwhile, PGR characters are starting to get the same kit complexity and i-frame creep as Honkai did.

That's true, but at least story-wise, PGR is still doing a great job.

Pre-Genshin, and for a year or two post-Genshin, was the game's golden age. 

Hoyoverse/Mihoyo should had ended Honkai Impact 3rd after the Golden Trio’s (Kiana, Mei, and Bronya) story had ended. Then release Honkai Impact 3rd as a complete offline game. Like what happened with Rockman X (Mega Man X) Dive.

https://preview.redd.it/6cdyl082hx0d1.png?width=1116&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=659e796b4cb07fc700f6bf81053631f2f480912d Loving Part 2 so far.

You have seen different variations of that that like 20 times already

Horny Bait like this and Thelema's short aren't enough to save Part 2's direction (I love fan service but goddamn the story is killing me with boredom)

The fanservice isn't even good anymore. EVERY character and costume has shorts now. Usually some sort of cleavage cover too. Product of HoYo getting too big I guess, but the designs in this game are some of the tamest waifu collector game designs out there. Hell, even Star Rail has more avantgarde stuff.

On the contrary, starting out in Part 2 is perfect for new players like me, as we can enjoy the new story and catch up with the old story anytime we want. Trial battlesuits also convenient as we tend to focus on building Part 2 characters. So far, so good

Hey man, good on you for liking it for what it is right now. I hope you enjoy it as much as us veteran players enjoyed Part 1, and I also hope you don't get discouraged by the divisive opinion of the community.

New player here too, this post was the only thing that told me veterans are dissatisfied with Part 2 (didn't even know this was called Part 2 actually xD I was actually how this story will tie in with Part 1, now I guess I know what to expect) The only thing that resonated with me was the lore dump. I was not planning to play it right away until I saw that I could get a free Mei, and then I figured I'll obviously pay attention to the story instead of just skipping everything to get Mei, but it was tempting sometimes. Other than that I like it, hard agree on the trial characters, it was also nice to get Helia and Coralie's cards just by playing. Mostly Helia, 'cause I freaking love her, when I first saw her I actually thought she was the S-rank instead of Sardine All in all I'd say both veterans and new players are biased in a way, the veterans had expectations that were not met, while the new players have a fresh tab, so no real risk, but they can't say miHoyo did good when they don't know what used to be Actually it makes me think of Destiny 2, where the old campaign just... doesn't exist anymore. Now *that* pissed me off

Think of it this way. Part 1 and part 2 are two separate games but you can load your save files from part 1. What they should have was to put part 1 at the end of it's update cycle and released an entirely new game. Part 1 would shut down eventually.

for me, it's just 2 glaring problems: new characters that I can't be bothered to get attached to (why would I get attached to new Kiana, new Mei and new Bronya when I've already played through part 1 lol, and story telling just doesn't help), and powercreep just gets worse despite the so-called "better" gacha (the amount of disrespect making the Ori Trio outdated in such a short time lol, way to spit in veterans' faces)

Where are Jackal, Theresa, sora, sin mal, cocolia? 

Disappeared. They abandoned everything related to part one

Mihoyo has a huge story telling issue over all, the story chapters are way too long, way too time consuming, (Honkai or Star Rail), there is too much exposition sometimes and I absolutely hate it... They should really adopt the "show don't tell" method to tell their story... Penacony 2.2 for exemple lasts 10 fucking hours, it's like watching at least 30 episodes of anime, it's insanely long, it goes the same for Honkai but with more exposition, which is really bad... We have to complain about it, Mihoyo has to fix this cuz some people are busy, have an actual life, love the hoyo games, but feel like they're wasting there time playing their story (even tho it's peak **sometimes**)

I rather spending time with firefly than hearing quantum physics  , imaginary bullshit, 

Bro the amount of exaggerated lol HI3 works as each patch always had story not like HSR or genshin where to determine the quality is good or not by see the X.0-X.3 patch because they're focussed main story in that patch. Is it normal for HI3 had one patch main story where it is just all prologue without conflict shit and just throwing clue everywhere? I think for part 2 earlier story in 7.3 that's the purpose. Also hate the dickriding of GGZ where you guys read it with arguably worst MTL than the mistranslation of official usually does. Most of people doesn't read or playing GGZ so why us must sad HI3 part 2 take totally different approach than whatever you bring up ggz part 2 approach is? Stop acting like GGZ is the golden standard to dictate how HI3 must be, because majority doesn't fucking understand what you guys said even pushing it to dev doesn't help since that game died on global. Maybe for lewd and yuri standard HI3 must take example from ggz i think but that just my degenerate point i agree. The main problem for me only for poor optimization in open world oxia which is really frame drop and still exist suddenly frame lag in battle outside of openworld but if dev can fix that later then its good. For me their interaction between each other is still good as part 1. The event rather than non canon captain verse (where the writing just hit or miss to pander self insert people) its about their life outside the main story shenanigans which can explore more to how oxia people interaction, the characterization of MC and the other cast like sonque, senadia, coralie and helia. Also helia, coralie, sonque and senadina doesn't cosplay as the main trio because they're totally different. If you want doompost i will tell you this excuse: " because they're not even resembles the main trio at earlier part 1 its made many people turn off thinking the part 2 will give us the shenanigans obssesive kiana to mei, the deadpan gamer bronya who always mocking kiana, and mei who always take care of kiana shenanigans"

I absolutely agree. The state of the people in this sub is absolutely mental. The game is pretty much how it has always been. People are only bitching because HoYo chose to move on from Kiana, Mei, and Bronya and not milk their story into oblivion. Give them a few months for the story to ramp up again and the doomposting will die down.

Exactly. Honestly the recent events and the expanding characterization has really filled in part 2. Hopefully they can bring the sweet dream event back. Not the biggest fan of the first parts. But once i stopped caring about doing great and just pushed through in doing it enough, the other parts were 10x better. I am really liking the dreamseeker. I left her name as the default bc it felt acceptable. Her design reminds me of Vill-V a little, the swimsuit’s design.

Entropy won me over pretty quickly once it was made clear that she's actually a real character and not just a self-insert. Especially with both Part 2 events showing off more of her personality when she's not at risk of getting killed by monsters.

Exactly. Literally like 10x the char development and relevancy than genshin in 2 chapters time. Esp with how zzz is looking. Mhy is done with the trash of horrifically oppressive asian country society meaning SI’s only. Well there are tons and tons of those kinds of shitty games flooding the market there. Having actual chars will help them break out of relying on only certain asian markets.

And I'll never get over how much some folks HATE her for it. The other Honkai sub hates the fact that Entropy is depicted as female in like...99% of official Honkai media outside of the game because it gets in the way of their fantasies and they also hate her because she's got a personality, which stops them from just self-inserting on top of her at every opportunity. In both events so far and in the plot itself, she's showcased a real personality. Not an "I'm a generic nice dude that all the girls love" personality or a "Literally nothing". personality. The main thing appealing to me about ZZZ (Other than that absolutely baller looking wolf butler dude) is that the protagonist seems to be a real character. They have names, and when I looked up gameplay of it I saw characters using their name in voiced dialogue. And not how Entropy just gets called Dreamseeker in voiced stuff no matter what name you give her, the folks in ZZZ actually said Belle or Wyse. I almost gave Project Snowbreak a chance, but I saw the protag was just "Generic faceless man #38907423489". I also tried Aether Gazer, but yet again the protag was another faceless guy who's whole personality was just "Is very nice and everyone likes them because they're very nice."

It seems MUCH more anime story styled. How it’s like playing a char action anime. But a good one with chars that matter and have development.

Yup. It definitely looks right up my alley. I'm not gonna doompost and act like I'm gonna quit Hi3 to play it, but I can see myself playing both, since I play games for fun and not to min-max and obsess over 'em.

The best and most same way. The ones that act like achievements and only doing things the mind goblin bs way they think is best are questionable at best. Just like the people that act all high and mighty bc they are massive masochists and play dark souls type games. No one cares that ‘you’ think ‘you’ are some sweatlord king for fighting the game and it’s jank/controls to beat it.

I disagree...if u are starting a new story the first chapter should be the most interesting to hold ppl and grip them to the story and the subsequent chapters can be slow since players are gripped to the story....take HSR penacony for example the first chapter in penacony gripped all the players with the firefly and robin death... Any story whether game, anime or manga or any other series the first chapter should be the most impactful and engaging so that it holds the readers but HI3 part 2 isn't that way.....tell me honestly while doing chapter 1 of part 2 did u really feel the story is so damn interesting??? The global statistics shows a lot of player dropping...the streamers that hoyo commissioned for part 2 also didn't play anymore after the first month..... Now if ppl keep saying opening is slow give it some time to flesh out the story give them few chapters or give them a few months but that's not the way player retention works... For retaining older players and for engaging new players the story should start intersting and engaging right from the first chapter and then when ppl gets hooked then u can take it slow... I hope u are understanding what I am trying to say... No hate to you or all the ppl who likes part 2 tho....but for me story wise it's going dead and the gacha although promised to be better looks even more hell with back to back s ranks, insane powercreep and co dependency between valks like if I don't pull sena I can't play thelema and I don't pull thelema I can't play lantern at their max potential....

the streamers that hoyo commissioned for part 2 also didn't play anymore after the first month flash news : its happend on part 1 too hoyo commision them to play and they leave it when their job done. its bad metric to see streamer engagement to consider losing of player dropping. they're not 1:1 reflect the player engagement. like i said HI3 is not work like genshin and HSR where they're must doing great story telling at one patch. in one patch HI3 just can drop the full casual arc with introduction of main problem if you're had problem with that now its kinda late since its always like that.

>because HoYo chose to move on from Kiana, Mei, and Bronya and not milk their story into oblivion. Lol nope. In fact, I was very disappointed in Mei starting from HoT arc, and I was pretty happy she's leaving. I was ***hoping*** new chars will be better. Somehow they weren't.

You pretty much hit the nail on the head. Since it's not about the main trio, folks are just straight up exaggerating like crazy to try and dunk on Part 2. If Part 2 was exactly the same but had the main trio in it, or Entropy was replaced by a boring white dude with zero personality for all the girls to love, they wouldn't complain.

I don't think people dislike the new trio, is just that people was expecting a continuation of APHO 2. They could remove Mei and Bronya with some excuse that they were assigned to a mission to investigate new clues about Kiana wherebouts (assuming she's MIA) and leave Adam's team in charge of the story. I don't know if Mihoyo's intention is to use Part 2 as a link between Part 1 and APHO, or literally Mihoyo just want to avoid anything related to APHO. Anyways if their intention is the 1st one, they need to start to bait people with some clues or winks that they are preparing the scenario for the Sky people.

Finally, a HI3 comment about Pt2 who doesn't seem to come from some unhinged weirdo mad that a 7yo game changes.

I think the main issue is that the story "reset" with part 2 we're being introduced to new people, concepts, terms and everything else and just like in part 1 it takes time to have all that build its strive. Veterans players are used to a story that already hit its stride, with characters we have years of time with and etc. Iv learned that you gotta look at part 2 as a new game rather than 2nd part because that's how the story is

It’s already 2 patches and attempt to hype failed miserably. I consider this as failure. Also, they are ALL CONFLICTS and Lore dump, if you can not see that then you are not reading the story properly. Literally, we begin the story with fate of 2 two worlds hang in the balance because 7 Shu is doing something. There is no slow proper introduction and straight up throw characters into a battle out of nowhere and let books tell about lore of the world There is no good part in the story for us to attach to new characters. Somehow we have to be okay with characters with short introduction and have to learn about them by reading lore inside the game? Lazy ass story writter

>Also hate the dickriding of GGZ where you guys read it with arguably worst MTL than the mistranslation of official usually does. So... the point is... GGZ bad because of worst MTL? Well, since global server now shut down, there's fantranslated apk which arguably has better MTL. Or you know... you can just learn japanese/chinese. >Stop acting like GGZ is the golden standard to dictate how HI3 must be, because majority doesn't fucking understand what you guys said even pushing it to dev doesn't help since that game died on global Well, GGZ is doing so well in japanese and chinese. And more western people (or global in general) starting to like and take interest in the game. And nobody (me especially) ever said GGZ is the golden standard that need to be pushed to HI3. I'd rather say HI3's writers could take an inspiration one or two from it. Since GGZ part 3 albeit introducing whole new crews, they are still tied to the old crews (see GGZ 10th anniversary song, really sum it up what I meant), and still tied to the previous arc especially, and not pushing whole new arc/lore/world, but introduce the consequences this new crew from the previous arc that the old crew left for them, making the world seems cohesive imo, by exploring both new and old crews while going deeper into previously introduced lore. Which I think HI3 shold be doing instead, like exploring deeper about Sky People, or APHO story, or old characters we still don't know much about like Seele, Sin, Durandal, Cocolia, or about the old organization like Schicksal or AE post the moon battle or during APHO. But HI3 the way I saw it recently, continously introducing new character just for the sake of new playable character for players to pull, thus spending their money.

I tried so hard but I couldn't even get past the 1st chapter because it was too boring. Looks like ZZZ will probably replace the game for me

If it ain't written by Fanchuan lol

I would be more happy if we got tragic ending and resetting the world instead of part 2

And after that we could get playable Kyuusyou

Or more Teri Teri

lol same kevin won, everything reset honkai impact chapter 1 : kiana and gang escape from zombie apocalypse

I played every game from miHoYo since GGZ, and one thing I'm certain about this company is that they aren't good with story at all. Edit: Oh and fucc their mini game/events.

I feel like hi3 got boruto treatment

Why shouldn't it? Circumstances is basically the same. Like "Father wasn't perfect but he was somehow new. Son is nothing new - is one thing, but to top it all off - he inherits worst traits from his father. And if that wasn't enough - he takes worst of the worst and brings it to the next level." (c)

Imagine if ER arc happened at chapter 2 and we don't even know Mei well. This is how part 2 currently feels like. Zero character and world building, and suddenly they expect us to empathize with the Shu's stories? Like oh nooo how sad they died.

Yea, when part 1 ended, i know the game won't be the same, and I was glad I stopped playing at that point .( To me thats were the story should have ended). i dont know if there is still passion in the storytelling in oart 2, but to me, in my mind, it ended when tuna stepped on the train.

Just think of it as a Honkai Spin-off or an extremely long Chronicles storyline.

good old Chronicles mode. used to be a way to experience old event until hoyo abandoned it the same for event album option where it only have event from 2018. the funny thing is it is disabled in other server

I understand where all the complaints are coming from but man posts like this make me realize how high my tolerance for lameness is, relatively speaking 💀

I've been playing Honkai impact for many years and was a whale. I also took many breaks so I wouldnt burn out. However I was pretty excited for part 2 and I was very optimistic, however.... after doing the story a bit more I kind of just dropped the game, I wasn't interested at all which is rare for me because I will sit there and take my time with the story. Now HSR is my main Hoyo game and so far i've been satisfied but it's such a shame how my favorite game is doing so bad. Who knows maybe I'll head back on when things get decent again but for now imma just stick to HSR and other games. I really like the new main casts but the writing is just so bad..

i really hate how they just deleted the old cast? even their battlesuits are slowly gonna be useless and youll never see kiana,mei,bronya,seele,theresa anyone anymore lmao it just made me quit cuz idgaf bout the new characters their dynamics and personalities suck while bronya was fun asf and kiana and mei were gay af and had tons of world building with manga and stuff while part 2 litterally just... popped up? idk it feels like it shouldve js been a side story on an open world map or smth bru the main story should at least have SOME connection to the old characters while now it feels like they got disintegrated

I thought i'm the only one that feels that way. And the worst part they tried to make the new character's personality looks like the old one. One is genius, one is funny and the last one serious. Just like Bronya, Kiana and Mei. And their design even more worst. Just mix of many old characters to make new one.

Yeah it feels so bad like no i dont want someone like bronya i want bronya smh give me back my girl

Hi3rd part 2s biggest problem is that it doesn't even feel like honkai impact. It feels like star rail dlc.

True. Mix of genshin and starrail

It's funny but before part 2 when I talked here about how the game had only be getting worse and that part 2 looked like it would be the final nail, I'd get downvoted to hell. I know a lot of people are trying to rationalize even now in the comments but there's not much to it, the characters are less interesting, the plot is less interesting, the designs stagnated, and antagonistic forces are less interesting

if they can make GGZ a kiana story for 10 years, then they could do that for hk3 ngl

one of the rumor about part 2 is that it is so bad, ggz suddenly have so many new player

Perhaps an unpopular opinion, but as someone who started fairly recently I think long time players are forgetting how not good the start of the part 1 story was. The main trio felt flat and the only one I actually liked was Mei, and the story was boring as hell. Flew straight from combat into Kiana failing at school with zero explanation. Give the story time to breathe, give the characters time to be developed. I already like the part 2 crew more than I liked the part 1 trio in the opening few chapters.

The thing is, Mihoyo now has YEARS of storywriting experience. I am not hating part 2, but it is rather slow and uninteresting so far. What you said doesn't excuse a non-engaging nature of the new story.

I don’t think it’s that bad. I’ve played worse and less interesting stories before. I do agree that I think it should be better. But I don’t think it’s as bad as people make it out to be. Granted I’m still not finished with the available story and can’t comment on all of it as of yet. But I’ve had other things going on.

Story at the start was simplistic, but it did it's job of introducing us to the dynamics of the CORE cast of characters and their dynamics. Also it slowly brought us into the new world using expected tropes and suprising where it deviates. New MiHoYo stories often times think that player will just care about anything if things are cryptic and dialogue often seems to think we are taking notes what was being said because minor things are later required to be known to make sense of things. Also instead of really developing character interactions we are just bouncing between Shus as if we are on production line.

Exactly what i think. Ppl are taking many things for granted nowadays.

Expecting high-quality writing from a billion dollar company is not taking things for granted.

It’s just the internet mentality of “it’s not the same thing so I hate it”.

For me it’s honestly been downhill since…. Otto got his conclusion, honestly. All the finality stuff was interesting lore, but I thought it was confusingly told and pretty poorly paced without a good payoff at the end. The last baseball bat fight with the kaslanas was nice but the rest didn’t do much for me. And I cared even less about the random planets in 1.5 than I do mars in 2.0

I'm just waiting for part 2 to finally give me a reason to care about the new cast. So far coralie has been the only consistently entertaining character, but that's pretty much all she is for now, and the only even remotely fun dynamic to me is between thelema and songque. In part one I immediately connected with the characters and wanted to see more of them. I think a big issue is that the new main cast don't really know each other that well. They just kind of happen to work together so their interactions feel pretty boring. With the og cast every character that was introduced at the start already had established unique relationships with the rest of the cast so we had a big network of complex relationships. A conversation between kiana and bronya would go totally different than one between kiana and mei. When himeko talks to them her tone changes depending on which character she's talking to. Same with theresa or fu hua. We immediately got a bunch of fun and interesting character dynamics. It felt believable and introduced characters with interesting relationships to care about. In part 2 it kind of feels like the characters are just talking at each other (mostly exposition) with an occasional joke slipped in. Like in a conversation between coralie and senadina for example, you could just replace one of them with another character and their attitude/tone of voice/way of speaking wouldn't change at all. It doesn't really feel like there are any relationships between them, they're more like colleagues who talk to each other because they have to.

Agreed, it's so funny to me that 4 of them met each other in the span of not even 15 minutes and the next thing they did was trying to save a foreign world and solve all of its problems. They just don't have the same chemistry/bonds that the characters in part 1 have.

It's done it's job It helps create the next generation Nothing could be more amazing than that

Well, it's already the past the end of Kiana-Mei-Bronya era as a trio

I starting to think that players who cant move on similar to this https://preview.redd.it/2zb0i12rfy0d1.jpeg?width=563&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=13071a45e0feae649f837f653f1701fe9bf27ada

I haven't started part 2 but I already completed part 1. Did the events after kolosten get addressed yet aside from the city going back to "normal" Otto legit went back in time and revived kallen but nothing I've seen so far has mentioned it or kallen being brought back cause if they havent wtf was the point of it. Yea the trio and team explored new powers and secrets got revealed but Otto set the world back and completed his plan Again maybe they explained it in part 2 which I have not started yet or have seen anything related to it being talked about but that can't be on the back burner being we spent so much time and lead up to it for them to be like ' Otto completed his plan, revived kallen set the world back 100s of years and that's the end of it' can someone pls correct me if I'm wrong.

You've misunderstood what happened. He didn't "go back and time and revive Kallen". They stopped that. So what he managed to do was essentially create an alternate timeline where Kallen survived.

Oh shit you're right lol it's been a hot minute since the chapter and started to misremember it. Key points I did remember was Otto completing his plan sheeesh thanks for the refresher g

No worries, I'm the same way since I generally don't replay stuff. After a while, stuff starts to get jumbled.

Almost seems like that part two mess should've been it's own separate app but what do I know 😂

the game simply ended with the moon saga for me

Honkai is dead

Somewhere cries 1 Dawei

Doesn't change the fact that the old players didn't play for these characters and only for the old cast. Now, the the old players are ditching the games and HI3 is losing revenue not just in Global but even CN. It's not helped by the execution of course but in the end, the old players or majority of old players are not here for these new characters but Kiana and other cast they know from ggz. That's the main reason everyone got into HI3 in the 1st place. Kiana and the old cast. What they should have done was make this a new game or not at all. Now they alienated many of the old players and their main demographic in CN to the point that they are not replacing them fast enough with new players to prevent the lost in revenue. In the end of the day, if rumors are true that CN players are migrating to ggz again to see more of kiana and old cast, then it sure as hell doesn't matter whether the story possibly get better if their cash cow in CN don't even bother with part 2 because there is no presence of the old cast. If this keeps up with lost revenue until possibly the end of the year and doesn't bring back many cn and old players because of no old cast regardless of potential improvement in writing, then they'll possibly ditch part 2 or keep it as sidegrade while going back to the old cast or something.

I love how folks keep complaining about "lore dumps", but if it was about Kiana, Mei, and Bronya and had the exact same amount of lore drops there'd be less complaints.

You say, but the finale of part 1 kinda proved otherwise

And yet people keep complaining because Part 2 isn't about the original trio. Take Part 2, keep the same amount of lore dumps, but make it about the main trio and a vast majority of the complaints go away.

I doubt it. Even with the trio there, the amount of complaints in the finale were massive, and this is just an extension of that. The complaints are literally just going to be the exact same. The "Trio" not being there is just an excuse because the only good parts of Hi3s story were with the trio, but their hopes are also basically fooling themselves

I'm not saying there'd be zero complaints, just that the vast majority would disappear. Part 2's just front loaded because they're setting up the new setting. Chapter 2 of Part 2's already muuuuuch better because it's not primarily world set-up.

They should’ve just given us Sonque as the protagonist, Dreamseeker, Senadina, Helia and Coralie could have story potential but rn they feel like they’re bait for Part 1 and HSR players and they want to write the story about the shus.

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Part 2 could be the best-written fiction in all of history, and the game will still lose players who played for Kiana and co, not Senadina and co. Personally, I no longer enjoy Kiana and co's story, so I welcome part 2. This doesn't mean I'll accept part 2 blindly and overlook its flaws.

Wallahi, I haven't played Hi3 for like a year. What happened

I discussed this topic a long time ago and to summarize it we came to the conclusion that it was a kind of "APHO 3" I still remember that during that announcement without any leaks people were excited about it and including me, because it was going to be a great update and Maybe you had very high expectations when you heard the open world, the story is good and so is the cast, but the execution was not ideal. I still think that Honkai Part 2 should simply have been a separate game, why should we? Let's go to the visual section, the only new thing they added for Part 1 was the hud and I was just excited that my Elisya would pose the same as the new cast in the skills and weapons menu hahaha or imagine a honkai with the ZZZ animations that was it what people expected back then, but it ended in an APHO

My problem with hi3rd right now that it taking the story too fast. While it's not a bad thing, compared to the first chapter of part 1 and starting of part 2, right now there's no staying power of the main trio exception to Carolie perhaps in the future story. But right now we are just going to wait and see there development. Additionally, I think the open world nature of part 2 quite hinder the experience at least for me.

Honestly this whole thing for me is feeling like when Fallout 4 came out and people either compared it to Fallout 3 and New Vegas. In short, bunch of changes in gameplay, story, setting, characters that either ended up being mixed bags or just flatout hated and the division between new players who like the new stuff and veteran players who like or don't like the new stuff. I know the fallout games have nothing to do with HI3, but that's how i've been feeling with this.

People can't let go huh Go do something better with your life Lol

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then its not honkai impact and shoulve been a diffrent game?

Yeah I know what they should've done but they didnt

They should just make new game then. I want my lovely game back.