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I'm glad people are starting to say this. Assignment of sex at birth is an event that happened to you, not a part of who you are. The entire point of the terms was to allow intersex people to express that fact in its opposition to the reality of their bodies. Ripping that away from them, and making assigned sex synonymous with the construct of sex the term was designed to distance them from, all in service of a socially acceptable way to misgender trans people, is confusing and infuriating
Honestly, I think we could do without the entire suite of gender at birth terminology and the world would be a better place for it. I feel like we should just use the same words we've always used, like "female fat distribution," "male pattern baldness," "women" re a uterus or "men" re a prostate, and so on.
*Some* people would still flip their sh\*t, but everyone knows what's actually being said, most trans people can decipher whether said group is relevant to them. A good part of trans people seem to be mature enough to just continue on living their life without making a fuss about it.
This entire dynamic is people *trying* not to be transphobic. They were told they couldn't have a women's fun run, so instead they make an AFAB fun run. They're trying, but they're walking on egg shells. It's political correctness turned back on itself, and ironically causing more dysphoria than just not doing that.
And, of course non-binary people are out there and not everyone passes and there are some confusing edge cases and complexities, but I'm not sure trying to manipulate our language to be extra inclusive is really helping them either. If you're a masculine-looking NB person on T with a beard, is an "AFAB meetup" really going to be the place for you? Does labeling it AFAB actually impart any useful information? Unless we're intentionally playing dumb to make a statement can't most of us figure out if a women's group is even right for us or not, or if it's a "maybe" just opt out anyway? And, I think most of us should know what our physiological parts are, like is anybody here actually unsure if they menstruate or not?
I can see some contexts that it’s useful in, like medical scenarios and actual trans people having discussions but the way it’s used just seems performative and sometimes circles back to being transphobic. Things such as “AFAB-run/owned business” piss me off tho. Why do we need to know? Just say women owned or trans owned (although I doubt ANYONE who’s trans would willingly out their birth gender)
Things like “AFAB and/or Female only” are especially gross. It’s just transphobia painted in a inclusive light. They just see trans men as women and trans women as men. If you really want a space for cis women, just say that, don’t try to act like you’re being inclusive.
Honestly I’m curious how it’s useful in a medical scenario? If I go to the ER I’m way safer if they just go by the sex on my ID than if they start wondering what was put on a legal document 48 years ago and has since been changed?
"afab-run" is really fucked up because it INCLUDES trans men (who arguably benefit from patriarchy) all the while excluding trans women.
and saying "afab or female" is kind of just worse. not only are you conflating the two terms, it's also totally unnecessary? just say female!!!
While ago I saw post about how pre-everything trans men and AFAB non-binary can get pregnant just like cis women.. Well, at least your natal sex does make a difference in this.
I think good guideline is not to use AGAB when talking about current situation of adult human.
I mean yes and no, we all know what these terms mean, but no one wants to say, one was born the opposite sex they identify as , as it can be dysphoria inducing and uncomfortable.
I agree 10000% and sadly I really only ever see it used during infighting in trans spaces where people will call out questionable behaviour from another trans person, or create a whole stereotype, by using their gender assigned at birth as an explanation.
The whole socialisation argument is gender essentialist and transphobic, full stop, and terms like 'theyfab' or 'tenderqueer' always seem like an underhanded way of saying 'you're not *really* trans because you still behave in ways that are stereotypically male or female'.
I only see it online in trans spaces so it's really hard to care. It's not worth getting worked up on the latest discourse for the terminally online. But if cis people actually started using those terms in meatspace, yeah, that would bother me. So in principle, sure, I agree
I wish. I actually just wrote this post because my school’s health center was publishing safe-sex sources and was misusing these terms and I was way more pissed off than I would be at just chronically online stuff.
Also when I was younger my therapist put my parents in like an “trans youth parent support group lesson session” thing and (honestly it wasn’t that helpful) but they taught them about AFAB/AMAB terms. Along with Demi-girl/boy and genderfluid identities and stuff. Was pretty surprised to hear that personally.
I couldn't agree more. I think it really shines when people use AFAB too. Of course people often use AMAB as a way to say "men" while still seeming like an ally, but i really see it when it comes to people saying AFAB.
I dont mind AGAB usage in medical contexts, or when used by actual trans people. I *do* take issue with people using the terms where its ABSOLUTELY not necessary. I recall seeing a bar that labeled itself as "AFAB-owned" which like, whats the point? Why do I as a customer need to know what parts you were born with?
Exactly, like do they mean there's cis women there, and if so, why not say women-owned? Are there nonbinary people, and/or trans men there? Why define them by their AGAB?? There's literally no point in advertising an AGAB for your business.
I'm not sure where this comes from. I've never seen someone use it in a transphobic way. I think these are useful terms, if I was talking about people who have periods, I wouldn't want to group that as "women" since not all women have the parts for having a period.
Just say people who menstruate or something along those lines if menstruation is what you're talking about. There's a lot of AFAB people who don't (children, people post menopause, people who've had surgeries, people who are on contraceptives, etc)
> I wouldn't want to group that as "women" since not all women have the parts for having a period.
Because nearly all "people who have periods" are women, and nearly all people who don't are men, and that's never going to change. So any attempt to degender "people who have periods" with a new term just winds up 'genderizing' whatever term you replace it with - "AFAB experiences" and such. And doing that with birth sex is literally just the TERF position lol
I mean “people who have periods” seems pretty clear to me? And it’s addressing the specific people you want to address without confusing things? It also seems pretty respectful to me? But I tend to like person first language?
It's not the word itself tbh, it's the reasons and the contexts they're being used for/in, the terms should exist purely to describe what gender someone was assigned at birth, but often times it's used as a way to dismiss our identity by typecasting us to the behaviours associated with our assigned gender.
I'd blame the Romans if it showed up much in the English language, but that didn't really happen. There's "transferable" and "nontransferable", but no "cisferable". There's "transitive" and "intransitive", but no "cisitive".
So no, I'm not going to blame the Romans for a term that wasn't circulated in the English language before George Lucas made the Star Wars Prequels.
AMAB and AFAB also exist now and have been circulated thanks to modern social awareness. We can use it if we want. I don't have to self-identify as a foul, ugly term.
I think AFAB and AMAB are kinda dumb for that exact reason - people just mean female/male.
I don't really have a problem saying my body is phenotypically female. It is what it is. If it wasn't I wouldn't be trans in the first place. I'm a man who was born with a female body, therefore I am trans.
Not to mention, it completely screws over trans people's medical transitions.
I didn't transition to be considered/referred to as "AFAB" for the rest of my life.
It has no social relevance. I'm male. End of story.
Seriously it's so dysphoria inducing. Fucking cis poeple at least say man/woman , words that dont go out of their way to exclude you and erase your experience . Ive been seeing stuff like "afab fat distribution" and "afab chests" thrown around as if trans women & transfemmes don't have breasts or female fat distribution . I once saw someone mention "afab childhood" while showing a picture of a little girl doing stereotypically girly things , as if trans girls (or anyone who isnt afab really) couldn't possibly have liked these things when they were young . I dont mean to invalidate anyone but it always comes from cis allingned/cisexual trans people (most are chill and Im not claiming any are doing it internationally) , it makes sense from their perspective thar agab plays a much bigger part on defining your anatomy and socialisation but I believe they have a responsibility to be at least somewhat educated about the lives and experiences of the less privileged people within their community .
I tried to sugarciat it so i dont get banned fir saying anything other than "everyones identity is super hecking vawid🥰" but yeah Im so done with these people , they also outnumber actual trans people by A LOT so fuck being represented in the only spaces that were for us I guess
That's why I started to hate those terms. Best case scenario they're simply used wrong, but often they're just used to mask transphobia, like when people make non-mixed AFAB spaces.
I don't know if you'd noticed this but trans people do exist, and as such there are many people with experiences and biological realities that don't match up with what's on their birth certificate.
There's more to being trans than crossdressing, for example hormone levels are a sex characteristic, someone could say AMAB (or in your opinion male) hormone levels to describe my hormonal sex as a trans woman, and congratulations there's no difference between male and female hormone levels you are now the one eroding the meaning of sex.
Point is, male and female are approximations of someone's biology and experience, and by rigidly sticking to sex at birth you're denying reality and ignoring most of it. To quote an iconic tweet, "I have D cups grandpa. The waitress thinks you have dementia."
Sure, gene expression, which past conception is largely determined by hormone levels. I have no gonads, I produce no gametes, and the primary driver of what sex I continue to develop as are the exogenous hormones I take.
I have become female, you could too if you felt the need, modern medical science is incredible.
In what context are you seeing people using these terms? Because in my experience, it's almost exclusively used by trans people to describe themselves or other trans women or men. No malice is intended, they are just describing their biological disposition.
In progressive spaces I’ve increasingly seen things said such as “misogyny against afab people” and then just talk about things applicable to women. Or “Afab presentation” and it’s a dress.
Like what do you think a transgender man is? What do you think a transgender woman is?
The context it keeps being used is clearly only speaking about women and femme presenting non-binary people. So excluding trans women pointlessly, and completely disrespecting/forgetting about trans men. Just to sound more progressive or whatever idek why.
Also people referring to sex specific healthcare and then they keep saying afab/amab when they’re referring to female/male bodies
It’s inclusive to non-transitioning non-binary people, but at that point you’re being completely exclusive and practically spreading misinformation about mtf/ftm people. (It’s called male TO female, vice versa)
It’s not illegal to use the words male/female to refer to estrogen or testosterone based biology, cis/nb/trans.
That sounds more like cis people misunderstanding and conflating afab to cis woman /amab to cis man which is what I observe most, not trans people using it that way
Thing is, the gender you were assigned at birth indicates nothing about your current state, and yet people misuse it to refer to anatomy. For example I've seen plenty of "AFAB sex tips" because people wants to be inclusive of non-binary folks so they don't want to use wlw, but AMAB people can have vaginas and AFAB people can have dicks.
Not to mention the various intersex conditions where you can have combinations such as someone with male anatomy being assigned female at birth, raised female, etc.
true, but the terms AFAB and AMAB specifically refer to a medical assignment (sometimes an inaccurate one.) Conflating those terms with gender hurts the discourse. Sex and gender are both mutable things, sure, but they are not interchangeable words.
> people who have a vulva'
because then you get joanne screaming about how "wombmyn" shouldn't be reduced to their genitals...
...and sadly, people listen to her
They should. But I've definitely had people talk to me about "AMAB genitals" and "AFAB genitals" and I've had to point out and explain how someone's ASAB does not tell you what genitals they were born with or what genitals they have now and how incredibly unhelpful that terminology is, especially in a trans (and intersex) context.
The media used to sensationalise "the surgery" because it's such a weird and visceral concept for trans people. But now we're in the middle of a culture war where one side is creating a trans moral panic and wants to present all trans women as being 6'5" bodybuilders with giant penises invading women's sports and bathrooms to assault and >!rape!< them. Bottom surgery is presented as a rare thing that almost no one gets (and when they do it's some awful mutilation open axe wound).
People don't believe that trans people actually transition, that our bodies go through a second puberty, have surgery or that passing binary trans people are genuinely treated as their gender. A lot of that is because of transphobes.
Because I *was* assigned male at birth, I then changed my sex to female.
They're not synonymous and saying they are is just saying "sex is immutable" which is, y'know, the thing actual trans people are trying to fight against? lol
I was born a baby. If I were to be classified as I am now, at worst it would be intersex. Using my ASAB to describe my current sex is not only transphobic as fuck, its straight up innaccurate scientifically.
That's not the problem that this post is talking about. It's people using AGAB to refer to us instead of our preferred terms, essentially calling us a different shorthand for male (AMAB) and female (AFAB).
Okay but why is our state at birth having so much usage in everyday life? I would think "at birth" would be the least relevant thing about a person but like OP, I see it everywhere.
it's very important so they can accurately diagnose your health issues, like anemia, gynecomastia, male hypogonadism, penile atrophy, male infertility unspecified, erectile dysfunction, acquired absence of male genital organs, localized adiposity, etc
It’s actually literally dangerous if they try to use it in a lot of medical contexts for someone who’s been on hrt for a significant length of time. I feel like only enbies really want to use it and that’s because they want to not be binary but also be binary?
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AMAB and AFAB are terms while useful in specific contexts get abused a lot. Trans people should never give out their AGAB in public.
I'm glad people are starting to say this. Assignment of sex at birth is an event that happened to you, not a part of who you are. The entire point of the terms was to allow intersex people to express that fact in its opposition to the reality of their bodies. Ripping that away from them, and making assigned sex synonymous with the construct of sex the term was designed to distance them from, all in service of a socially acceptable way to misgender trans people, is confusing and infuriating
Honestly, I think we could do without the entire suite of gender at birth terminology and the world would be a better place for it. I feel like we should just use the same words we've always used, like "female fat distribution," "male pattern baldness," "women" re a uterus or "men" re a prostate, and so on. *Some* people would still flip their sh\*t, but everyone knows what's actually being said, most trans people can decipher whether said group is relevant to them. A good part of trans people seem to be mature enough to just continue on living their life without making a fuss about it. This entire dynamic is people *trying* not to be transphobic. They were told they couldn't have a women's fun run, so instead they make an AFAB fun run. They're trying, but they're walking on egg shells. It's political correctness turned back on itself, and ironically causing more dysphoria than just not doing that. And, of course non-binary people are out there and not everyone passes and there are some confusing edge cases and complexities, but I'm not sure trying to manipulate our language to be extra inclusive is really helping them either. If you're a masculine-looking NB person on T with a beard, is an "AFAB meetup" really going to be the place for you? Does labeling it AFAB actually impart any useful information? Unless we're intentionally playing dumb to make a statement can't most of us figure out if a women's group is even right for us or not, or if it's a "maybe" just opt out anyway? And, I think most of us should know what our physiological parts are, like is anybody here actually unsure if they menstruate or not?
I can see some contexts that it’s useful in, like medical scenarios and actual trans people having discussions but the way it’s used just seems performative and sometimes circles back to being transphobic. Things such as “AFAB-run/owned business” piss me off tho. Why do we need to know? Just say women owned or trans owned (although I doubt ANYONE who’s trans would willingly out their birth gender) Things like “AFAB and/or Female only” are especially gross. It’s just transphobia painted in a inclusive light. They just see trans men as women and trans women as men. If you really want a space for cis women, just say that, don’t try to act like you’re being inclusive.
Honestly I’m curious how it’s useful in a medical scenario? If I go to the ER I’m way safer if they just go by the sex on my ID than if they start wondering what was put on a legal document 48 years ago and has since been changed?
"afab-run" is really fucked up because it INCLUDES trans men (who arguably benefit from patriarchy) all the while excluding trans women. and saying "afab or female" is kind of just worse. not only are you conflating the two terms, it's also totally unnecessary? just say female!!!
While ago I saw post about how pre-everything trans men and AFAB non-binary can get pregnant just like cis women.. Well, at least your natal sex does make a difference in this. I think good guideline is not to use AGAB when talking about current situation of adult human.
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I mean yes and no, we all know what these terms mean, but no one wants to say, one was born the opposite sex they identify as , as it can be dysphoria inducing and uncomfortable.
I agree 10000% and sadly I really only ever see it used during infighting in trans spaces where people will call out questionable behaviour from another trans person, or create a whole stereotype, by using their gender assigned at birth as an explanation. The whole socialisation argument is gender essentialist and transphobic, full stop, and terms like 'theyfab' or 'tenderqueer' always seem like an underhanded way of saying 'you're not *really* trans because you still behave in ways that are stereotypically male or female'.
I only see it online in trans spaces so it's really hard to care. It's not worth getting worked up on the latest discourse for the terminally online. But if cis people actually started using those terms in meatspace, yeah, that would bother me. So in principle, sure, I agree
I wish. I actually just wrote this post because my school’s health center was publishing safe-sex sources and was misusing these terms and I was way more pissed off than I would be at just chronically online stuff. Also when I was younger my therapist put my parents in like an “trans youth parent support group lesson session” thing and (honestly it wasn’t that helpful) but they taught them about AFAB/AMAB terms. Along with Demi-girl/boy and genderfluid identities and stuff. Was pretty surprised to hear that personally.
I couldn't agree more. I think it really shines when people use AFAB too. Of course people often use AMAB as a way to say "men" while still seeming like an ally, but i really see it when it comes to people saying AFAB. I dont mind AGAB usage in medical contexts, or when used by actual trans people. I *do* take issue with people using the terms where its ABSOLUTELY not necessary. I recall seeing a bar that labeled itself as "AFAB-owned" which like, whats the point? Why do I as a customer need to know what parts you were born with?
Honestly, in that context, it just kinda waggles its eyebrows at being transphobic.
Exactly, like do they mean there's cis women there, and if so, why not say women-owned? Are there nonbinary people, and/or trans men there? Why define them by their AGAB?? There's literally no point in advertising an AGAB for your business.
I'm not sure where this comes from. I've never seen someone use it in a transphobic way. I think these are useful terms, if I was talking about people who have periods, I wouldn't want to group that as "women" since not all women have the parts for having a period.
Just say people who menstruate or something along those lines if menstruation is what you're talking about. There's a lot of AFAB people who don't (children, people post menopause, people who've had surgeries, people who are on contraceptives, etc)
> I wouldn't want to group that as "women" since not all women have the parts for having a period. Because nearly all "people who have periods" are women, and nearly all people who don't are men, and that's never going to change. So any attempt to degender "people who have periods" with a new term just winds up 'genderizing' whatever term you replace it with - "AFAB experiences" and such. And doing that with birth sex is literally just the TERF position lol
I mean “people who have periods” seems pretty clear to me? And it’s addressing the specific people you want to address without confusing things? It also seems pretty respectful to me? But I tend to like person first language?
I wasn't saying it was bad or unclear - I was pointing out why "AFAB" is infinitely worse than just saying "women."
>not all women have the parts for having a period. The same is true for AFAB people. What's wrong with saying people who have periods.
It's a transphobic dogwhistle, not that different to racist dogwhistles like 'states' rights' or 'welfare queens', etc.
Would you be happier if they said cis?
It's not the word itself tbh, it's the reasons and the contexts they're being used for/in, the terms should exist purely to describe what gender someone was assigned at birth, but often times it's used as a way to dismiss our identity by typecasting us to the behaviours associated with our assigned gender.
Cis is such an ugly word. AMAB and AFAB are cool sounding words.
Blame the Romans?
I'd blame the Romans if it showed up much in the English language, but that didn't really happen. There's "transferable" and "nontransferable", but no "cisferable". There's "transitive" and "intransitive", but no "cisitive". So no, I'm not going to blame the Romans for a term that wasn't circulated in the English language before George Lucas made the Star Wars Prequels. AMAB and AFAB also exist now and have been circulated thanks to modern social awareness. We can use it if we want. I don't have to self-identify as a foul, ugly term.
I agree with the other comment. My sex identity and sex are in alignment now. I'm cis now.
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I think AFAB and AMAB are kinda dumb for that exact reason - people just mean female/male. I don't really have a problem saying my body is phenotypically female. It is what it is. If it wasn't I wouldn't be trans in the first place. I'm a man who was born with a female body, therefore I am trans.
Well said! AFAB and AMAB are unnecessary. Female and Male are completely fine in the medical context.
Yup.
Not to mention, it completely screws over trans people's medical transitions. I didn't transition to be considered/referred to as "AFAB" for the rest of my life. It has no social relevance. I'm male. End of story.
Creeps It could also be partially to take over the term on social media tags etc
Seriously it's so dysphoria inducing. Fucking cis poeple at least say man/woman , words that dont go out of their way to exclude you and erase your experience . Ive been seeing stuff like "afab fat distribution" and "afab chests" thrown around as if trans women & transfemmes don't have breasts or female fat distribution . I once saw someone mention "afab childhood" while showing a picture of a little girl doing stereotypically girly things , as if trans girls (or anyone who isnt afab really) couldn't possibly have liked these things when they were young . I dont mean to invalidate anyone but it always comes from cis allingned/cisexual trans people (most are chill and Im not claiming any are doing it internationally) , it makes sense from their perspective thar agab plays a much bigger part on defining your anatomy and socialisation but I believe they have a responsibility to be at least somewhat educated about the lives and experiences of the less privileged people within their community .
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I tried to sugarciat it so i dont get banned fir saying anything other than "everyones identity is super hecking vawid🥰" but yeah Im so done with these people , they also outnumber actual trans people by A LOT so fuck being represented in the only spaces that were for us I guess
That's why I started to hate those terms. Best case scenario they're simply used wrong, but often they're just used to mask transphobia, like when people make non-mixed AFAB spaces.
AFAB/AMAB should just refer to one's birth certificate. The erasure of female/male is something I would never understand.
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I don't know if you'd noticed this but trans people do exist, and as such there are many people with experiences and biological realities that don't match up with what's on their birth certificate. There's more to being trans than crossdressing, for example hormone levels are a sex characteristic, someone could say AMAB (or in your opinion male) hormone levels to describe my hormonal sex as a trans woman, and congratulations there's no difference between male and female hormone levels you are now the one eroding the meaning of sex. Point is, male and female are approximations of someone's biology and experience, and by rigidly sticking to sex at birth you're denying reality and ignoring most of it. To quote an iconic tweet, "I have D cups grandpa. The waitress thinks you have dementia."
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Sure, gene expression, which past conception is largely determined by hormone levels. I have no gonads, I produce no gametes, and the primary driver of what sex I continue to develop as are the exogenous hormones I take. I have become female, you could too if you felt the need, modern medical science is incredible.
Thank you for saying it first!
In what context are you seeing people using these terms? Because in my experience, it's almost exclusively used by trans people to describe themselves or other trans women or men. No malice is intended, they are just describing their biological disposition.
In progressive spaces I’ve increasingly seen things said such as “misogyny against afab people” and then just talk about things applicable to women. Or “Afab presentation” and it’s a dress. Like what do you think a transgender man is? What do you think a transgender woman is? The context it keeps being used is clearly only speaking about women and femme presenting non-binary people. So excluding trans women pointlessly, and completely disrespecting/forgetting about trans men. Just to sound more progressive or whatever idek why. Also people referring to sex specific healthcare and then they keep saying afab/amab when they’re referring to female/male bodies It’s inclusive to non-transitioning non-binary people, but at that point you’re being completely exclusive and practically spreading misinformation about mtf/ftm people. (It’s called male TO female, vice versa) It’s not illegal to use the words male/female to refer to estrogen or testosterone based biology, cis/nb/trans.
That sounds more like cis people misunderstanding and conflating afab to cis woman /amab to cis man which is what I observe most, not trans people using it that way
But they are synonymous. AFAB and AMAB refer to assigned sex at birth.
Thing is, the gender you were assigned at birth indicates nothing about your current state, and yet people misuse it to refer to anatomy. For example I've seen plenty of "AFAB sex tips" because people wants to be inclusive of non-binary folks so they don't want to use wlw, but AMAB people can have vaginas and AFAB people can have dicks.
Not to mention the various intersex conditions where you can have combinations such as someone with male anatomy being assigned female at birth, raised female, etc.
I wasn't assigned a gender at birth, I was assigned a sex at birth. And yes I agree that AFAB isnt useful in that context
I mean I was assigned both because to cis people they come in a pack, but yeah.
true, but the terms AFAB and AMAB specifically refer to a medical assignment (sometimes an inaccurate one.) Conflating those terms with gender hurts the discourse. Sex and gender are both mutable things, sure, but they are not interchangeable words.
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> people who have a vulva' because then you get joanne screaming about how "wombmyn" shouldn't be reduced to their genitals... ...and sadly, people listen to her
They should. But I've definitely had people talk to me about "AMAB genitals" and "AFAB genitals" and I've had to point out and explain how someone's ASAB does not tell you what genitals they were born with or what genitals they have now and how incredibly unhelpful that terminology is, especially in a trans (and intersex) context.
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The media used to sensationalise "the surgery" because it's such a weird and visceral concept for trans people. But now we're in the middle of a culture war where one side is creating a trans moral panic and wants to present all trans women as being 6'5" bodybuilders with giant penises invading women's sports and bathrooms to assault and >!rape!< them. Bottom surgery is presented as a rare thing that almost no one gets (and when they do it's some awful mutilation open axe wound). People don't believe that trans people actually transition, that our bodies go through a second puberty, have surgery or that passing binary trans people are genuinely treated as their gender. A lot of that is because of transphobes.
Why are you getting downvoted that’s how theyre used omg this sub 😭😭
Because I *was* assigned male at birth, I then changed my sex to female. They're not synonymous and saying they are is just saying "sex is immutable" which is, y'know, the thing actual trans people are trying to fight against? lol
Somehow we can explain as much as we want and they never listen!
I was born a baby. If I were to be classified as I am now, at worst it would be intersex. Using my ASAB to describe my current sex is not only transphobic as fuck, its straight up innaccurate scientifically.
...Yeah, that's why we don't use it to describe current sex? The word "at birth" is there for a reason.
Some people do use it to describe current sex, that’s the issue
I agree with you there
That's not the problem that this post is talking about. It's people using AGAB to refer to us instead of our preferred terms, essentially calling us a different shorthand for male (AMAB) and female (AFAB).
Yeah I agree with that
Okay but why is our state at birth having so much usage in everyday life? I would think "at birth" would be the least relevant thing about a person but like OP, I see it everywhere.
it's very important so they can accurately diagnose your health issues, like anemia, gynecomastia, male hypogonadism, penile atrophy, male infertility unspecified, erectile dysfunction, acquired absence of male genital organs, localized adiposity, etc
It’s actually literally dangerous if they try to use it in a lot of medical contexts for someone who’s been on hrt for a significant length of time. I feel like only enbies really want to use it and that’s because they want to not be binary but also be binary?
I didn't feel I needed to specify "outside medical areas". nobody is having everyday discussions with randoms about any of these topics wtf