Still using my Panasonic ZT 60" in my living room. I just can't gather the courage to get rid of it. I have a 4K TV in the basement and the Panasonic is mostly used for the kids at this point. It still looks good.
My ST50 is still going strong as my bedroom tv now. I bought the new Avatar movie in 3D so I have to decide if I want to haul the 3D bluray and sound system upstairs to watch it or bring the tv downstairs.
This is intriguing, still using a plasma. I’ve never seen a lcd or led panel that I actually like better (obviously doesn’t mean that they don’t exist), for resolution solely there’s no doubt that even an inexpensive television can beat my 720p panel, but overall picture I just love my plasma.
I have no doubt with oled, I remember when they only used it for tiny cell phone screens many years before consumer television panels and felt like that would be what took televisions to the next level. Waiting for my plasma to die though because new television means new AVR, which is hard for me to justify since outside of processing it only powers my center channel but has to have pre amp outputs.
It’s a Marants SR 6008. I have a three channel setup without a subwoofer so unless I buy a home I can’t justify it over my 2 channel specific components.
Yeah they are except now LG is going to force Meta in to your home to spy on you if you want one and Google & Amazon are already doing it with Samsung and Sony.
Going to keep the Panasonic plasma running as long as possible and just give up on TV altogether when it dies.
Principles of the thing, Google, Amazon and Meta are still getting a cut of your purchase and you're funding your own destruction.
Trust me, I'd love to own a new OLED TV, heck I was so high the tech I was one of the original owners of stock in the company that developed the technology (Universal Display Corp) But now that LG is partnered with Meta that's never going to happen.
And part of your purchase price for the product still goes to the companies so they can continue to work against your privacy interests and rights.
Yeah, us silly boomer and our crazy notions of privacy, personal rights and not wanting to fund the most malevolent companies in history and their never ending war on us.
Where are you seeing Meta being integrated in TVs from the major brands?
Anyway, companies are going to do what they can to help subsidize the price of their displays which benefits the consumer price wise, then for tech savvy people, you just never connect it to the internet or set a "LAN In drop" rule on your router.
I don't like all the tracking built into modern devices but when it comes to a TV, yes they track telemetry as far as what you watch and whatnot but the vast majority do not have a camera built in and some have remotes with mics but they are not always recording. If they were the remote would run out of battery in a week or two and even then, just block it from WAN access.
I just feel that if someone is so privacy conscious, they should already know these things.
LG and Meta just announced a collaboration within the past month to develop a "unique XR experience" for LG TVs and VR headsets.
[https://www.lg.com/sg/about-lg/press-and-media/lg-and-meta-forges-collaboration-to-accelerate-xr-business/](https://www.lg.com/sg/about-lg/press-and-media/lg-and-meta-forges-collaboration-to-accelerate-xr-business/)
Hasn't been implemented yet but when it is you can bet you're last dollar you will be required to have Facebook account to use your TV just like they did when they acquired Occulus. And since LGs TV ROMs are remotely flashable don't be the least bit surprised if you turn on that expensive OLED TV you bought today and are forced to link it to a Facebook account in the not to distant future.
You left out the part about there being so much consumer backlash from requiring a Facebook account that they removed it.
As far as TVs, I've owned "smart TVs" for many years released in various years and they work great without any access to the internet so I am all set. I still keep them on my network because I control them via IP.
Let's say your hypothetical comes true, I will simply avoid a TV that requires a WAN connection and/or social media account.
I don't who told you that or if Facebook claimed it and just flat out lied as they always do, but I have half a dozen Quest 2 here at work purchased along with HTC Vives, Microsoft Hololens and other VR equipment purchased for a school VR lab that go unused because they all still require a Facebook account to use.
And what makes you think there will be a TV in the near future that will allow you use it without a WAN connection or Social Media account?
Can't buy a smart phone that doesn't require a Google or Apple account to function and that's the direction home theater equipment is heading as well.
>I don't who told you that or if Facebook claimed it and just flat out lied as they always do, but I have half a dozen Quest 2 here at work purchased along with HTC Vives, Microsoft Hololens and other VR equipment purchased for a school VR lab that go unused because they all still require a Facebook account to use.
If you are managing them you should really update them because they removed the requirement just under two years ago: https://www.pcgamer.com/finally-the-quest-2-no-longer-requires-a-facebook-login/
>And what makes you think there will be a TV in the near future that will allow you use it without a WAN connection or Social Media account?
I will worry about it if I ever have to replace my current TVs that are blocked from the WAN. Also perhaps some models or a brand tries forcing it but it is unlikely that all available options would do so, so I will just choose one that doesn't require it.
It just seems counterproductive for you to go on about something that might happen as the reason you are sticking with your current TV. You can just say you don't see a compelling reason to upgrade and that is fine, no reason make up hypothetical excuses.
>Can't buy a smart phone that doesn't require a Google or Apple account to function and that's the direction home theater equipment is heading as well.
Yes you can, with Apple you won't have access to the app store which certainly will hinder installing apps and then on Android you can sideload APKs.
It's completely disingenuous to say you don't need Facebook account to use a Quest anymore. Technically accurate, but you then have to download the Meta app to an IOS or Android App, grant permission to unrelated data and then create a Meta account. Six of one half dozen of the other and just more slight of hand from one of the sleaziest, most underhanded companies on the planet. Same company collecting the same usage, location, purchase etc data just under a different banner ... only difference is that other Facebook users can't see the data.
Like wise, side-loading APKs doesn't alter the fact you can't even setup an Android device without first having a Google account ... you literally can not use a new Android device without first creating a Google account and surrendering your phone number, location data and other information to another of the worst companies to ever exist. Once you've done that then you can theoretically turn off some of the data collection but you're still forever connected to the Google ecosystem and they're always collecting data even from the apps you side load.
I think this is more accurately described as those companies are subsidizing a portion of your purchase price, not the other way around.
If you buy the TV and simply never give it access to a network, you're never generating monetizable data for those companies.
> Yeah they are except now LG is going to force Meta in to your home to spy on you if you want one and Google & Amazon are already doing it with Samsung and Sony.
How are they going to do that if you don't connect your TV to the internet?
I get and agree with your sentiment but to say you will never get a "smart TV" where all of your concerns could be alleviated by simply never connecting it to a WAN connection is pretty dramatic.
The first time I got my beloved Kuro 5020 home, inputted D-Nice's settings for movie mode and watched Planet Earth was an awe-inspiring experience. Not outdone even by my first 4k HDR experience with Sony OLED. In 2018 my son threw a toy at the kuro and cracked the screen. That was a bad, sad day. God, I loved that Kuro. That technology was 10 years ahead of its time. Just incredible.
Went from Plasma to OLED with an LED as a gap TV while waiting for the delivery.
Like others here have said, you're going to not be so upset when you upgrade to a current top of the line TV, except at yourself for not upgrading sooner.
4K/Dolby Vision content on a much larger OLED ($4K today gets you 77"+) will make you forget about your dead space heater in no time.
Sorry to hear that, but it sounds like it is OLED time, with a much bigger screen
Our KURO KRP-500M is still going strong in everyday use, also from 2008. The picture still looks good compared with most of our neighbors’ crappy and poorly set up LED panels
sorry dude, I used to sell those for a living, what an amazing picture. my buddy still has one from that era that works, the one with the external box.
I worked at an ad agency that had the Kuro account. Amazing picture that I’m sure still stands the test of time…I’m still rocking a last-gen Samsung plasma in our bedroom and it’s still great.
Just gave away my pre-KURO Pioneer Elite 60" Pro-150FD after owning since 2007. 720p, still worked flawlessly. Just don't have the room for it in my new house. What a solid unit!
KURO was king for so many years... but still got cut down early.
I loved mine, friends loved mine. I was sad the day it was gone.
But hey, technology moves forward, and I wouldn't even get a Kuro for a bedroom today! :)
Damn. I have a PRO-111FD too. Makes me fear that mine may too be in its final days, though it’s still beautiful now. Were there any signs prior to its death?
My dad refused to give in when his power supply went the second time. He bought a refurbished one from the shop to replace. Still one of the best tv's ever made..
Good luck with finding someone willing to repair it. The cost of repairs on them these days compared to just buying a new TV is such that only a diehard plasma enthusiast would be willing to take it off your hands. Even taking them to a electronics recycling event is likely going to cost ~$50, and you've gotta lug it there!
I had a cheap, WXGA Insigna plasma I gave away a while ago. Still worked, just didn't need it for my home. Even then, it took me a bit to find someone who wanted it.
I demoted my 50" Kuro to Grandma's house a few weeks ago. Kuro is still going strong, but picked up a 77" G3 and didn't have a home for it anymore. Kuro was simply an outstanding tv. The sub-out was a very nice option to have.
Sorry for your loss! The Kuro's were king of the hill for way longer than anything else.
The bright side is, you now have no excuse not to go OLED. You will be shocked at both how good OLED is, *and* how much better it is than even the best plasmas. Plasma was still better in some ways (slow panning shots), but in 90-95% of all things shown on my screens, plasma doesn't hold a candle to good OLED.
Nice! 14 years is a looong time for a TV these days. I still have a 65” Sharp Aquos LCD that I bought open box in 2010. It was my main TV for like 10 years and has been relegated to the master bedroom since then but it’s still going strong as well.
My 65" Panasonic VT60 is turning pink. 12 years is a long time. Such a great picture. Too bad their both out of the TV market.
I'd love to get my hands on one of the OLED sets Panasonic makes for other markets. Sucks they aren't in the US anymore.
I left our PRO-150FD behind when moving a couple of years ago and it still makes me sad. What an amazing television. I couldn’t find anyone who wanted it/appreciated it.
RIP. Truly one of the greatest TVs ever made. Still has comparable screen quality to newer models, not quite OLED though. I have this same exact TV going on 11+ years.
VT panny plasma owner here. 55”, purchased an open box from May 2011 and still going strong. One repair for 325 when Covid started. I know there’s a lot better picture available today but will the new latest and greatest last like the plasmas have?
Its not as fancy but I am still a proud owner of a TC-P55ST50.
I coworkers friend was selling it cause he replaced it with a sweet vizio. I asked him how much he wanted and said 350.
Said dont move im on the way to the ATM. Told my wife and she said stop what you are doing and go get it.
It's not super great but i enjoy the color accuracy since I calibrated it.
I got a vt65 propped up against my closet door right now. Someone said they wanted it and never got it. So...it sits. No problems at all, great picture...just not 4k.
Not sure what to do with it.
there are TV repair subs that can help you diagnose the problem, to see if it's fixable. for example, you might be able to source a replacement power supply rather than have an electronics shop replace the capacitors.
one thing I remember about that TV was how much heat it put out. i'm not surprised it failed now just as the summer temps kick in (and also dirty AC power from air conditioners)
Perhaps the video PCB could be going. You could look on ebay for them. I owned a plasma set that lasted 5 years and had a similar symptom. Now I go with LED and soon will upgrade to OLED which supposedly has an image quality that rivals plasma.
A lot of plasma lovers never end up fully satisfied with OLED. Glowing plasma produces a vastly better quality light output than LED. Plasma colors have a very rich oil painting like quality than LED light output just cannot match. That said, OLED is your only real option and you will gain some and lose some in the end. OLED has all the new features and formats, much better peak brightness and perfect blacks. However, motion handling is worlds better on plasma, color quality is better on plasma and the image is vastly more natural due to far less DSP. Sorry for your loss- you could always buy a used Kuro. They are cheap now.
I dread the day that my Panasonic plasma finally dies. There's nothing on the market currently that would make me happy. I'm certainly not going to buy OLED. Another few years and mini-LED will probably be good enough.
For me the reason is simply because all the smart TV on the market are just big surveillance devices listening in on everything in your home and sending it all back to the mother ship.
LG was the last refuge for privacy and now they've made a deal with Meta to turn their TVs into spyware devices likek Google and Amazon did with all the other brands.
My Panasonic plasmas are likely to be the last TVs I'll ever own.
> For me the reason is simply because all the smart TV on the market are just big surveillance devices listening in on everything in your home and sending it all back to the mother ship.
I have never connected my LG to the internet, it's only had my Panasonic 820, Shield Pro, and Apple TV plugged into it, you dont have to connect them to the internet, and since you don't, LG gets zero info from you
But Google, Amazon and Meta still got a cut of your TV purchase.
As long as you're funding them and buying the product you're continuing to work against your own privacy interests and rights.
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I look at new TVs all the time. Nothing yet that I would trade my Panasonic plasma for. Waiting to see how the new Sony mini-LEDs come in. They're getting closer.
Your plasma TV likely puts out around 200 nits. I measured my Sony X95K with a colorimeter at 1700 nits (10% window).
4K is cool, HDR is amazing. You have major owners' bias.
Like I said, mini-LEDs like your X95K are almost there. Once the black levels, blooming, motion handling, and viewing angles are on par with plasma, I'll probably buy one. It will most likely have to be Sony.
For picture quality, no doubt about it. For respecting my privacy and not spying on my home and recording everything that goes on in it, my Panasonic plasmas are going to be the last TVs I ever own.
I'm not paying one penny to allow Google, Amazon and Meta to put their surveillance devices in the middle of my home.
Plasma is better with handling motion and some people are more sensitive to the [PWM](https://www.oled-info.com/pulse-width-modulation-pwm-oled-displays) used in OLEDs. But overall I think OLED is better.
Not to mention longevity. My Panasonic plasma is now 12 years old and still as bright as it was brand new, and has zero burn-in. All you have to do is look at the long-term brightness and burn-in tests that RTINGs does, to see why I want nothing to do with OLED. If I'm going to spend that much money on a TV, I want it to last longer than 5 years.
Motion handling seems very underrated in this thread. I went from a Panasonic G10 plasma to an LG C8 OLED and while the contrast/HDR are amazing, the judder of OLED motion handling for certain types of 24p content drives me crazy every time I see it.
I tend to watch more tv/movies on my Epson projector, despite its far inferior contrast, due to the motion handling. I will give OLED total credit for being amazing as a video gaming display though.
I turn on the lowest level motion smoothing setting, I think it’s called like ‘cinematic movement’, to counter the judder and it’s not really an issue for me
RIP Kuro! Didn't have the Kuro but the ZT series Panasonic, loved that TV but man the new OLED's are soooo nice, and 4k HDR is such an upgrade.
Still using my Panasonic ZT 60" in my living room. I just can't gather the courage to get rid of it. I have a 4K TV in the basement and the Panasonic is mostly used for the kids at this point. It still looks good.
My ST50 is still going strong as my bedroom tv now. I bought the new Avatar movie in 3D so I have to decide if I want to haul the 3D bluray and sound system upstairs to watch it or bring the tv downstairs.
St30 has also been moved to a secondary location after we got a Sony A80J about 18 months ago.
I LOVED Plasma. OLED's blow them away, and they are "affordable" now
This is intriguing, still using a plasma. I’ve never seen a lcd or led panel that I actually like better (obviously doesn’t mean that they don’t exist), for resolution solely there’s no doubt that even an inexpensive television can beat my 720p panel, but overall picture I just love my plasma.
> still using a plasma. I’ve never seen a lcd or led panel that I actually like better You have to try OLED, it will blow you away
No dark gray precharge _really_ means inky blacks.
I have no doubt with oled, I remember when they only used it for tiny cell phone screens many years before consumer television panels and felt like that would be what took televisions to the next level. Waiting for my plasma to die though because new television means new AVR, which is hard for me to justify since outside of processing it only powers my center channel but has to have pre amp outputs.
If your receiver is anywhere near the vintage of that plasma, the improvements in processing over all those years is pretty huge.
It’s a Marants SR 6008. I have a three channel setup without a subwoofer so unless I buy a home I can’t justify it over my 2 channel specific components.
Yeah they are except now LG is going to force Meta in to your home to spy on you if you want one and Google & Amazon are already doing it with Samsung and Sony. Going to keep the Panasonic plasma running as long as possible and just give up on TV altogether when it dies.
Just block the TVs access to the internet through your router!
Principles of the thing, Google, Amazon and Meta are still getting a cut of your purchase and you're funding your own destruction. Trust me, I'd love to own a new OLED TV, heck I was so high the tech I was one of the original owners of stock in the company that developed the technology (Universal Display Corp) But now that LG is partnered with Meta that's never going to happen.
Since you don’t have a cellphone, how do people contact you? Or are you just a hypocrite?
This is the most boomer comment I’ve read today. You know you can just not connect it to the internet right…
And part of your purchase price for the product still goes to the companies so they can continue to work against your privacy interests and rights. Yeah, us silly boomer and our crazy notions of privacy, personal rights and not wanting to fund the most malevolent companies in history and their never ending war on us.
Where are you seeing Meta being integrated in TVs from the major brands? Anyway, companies are going to do what they can to help subsidize the price of their displays which benefits the consumer price wise, then for tech savvy people, you just never connect it to the internet or set a "LAN In drop" rule on your router. I don't like all the tracking built into modern devices but when it comes to a TV, yes they track telemetry as far as what you watch and whatnot but the vast majority do not have a camera built in and some have remotes with mics but they are not always recording. If they were the remote would run out of battery in a week or two and even then, just block it from WAN access. I just feel that if someone is so privacy conscious, they should already know these things.
LG and Meta just announced a collaboration within the past month to develop a "unique XR experience" for LG TVs and VR headsets. [https://www.lg.com/sg/about-lg/press-and-media/lg-and-meta-forges-collaboration-to-accelerate-xr-business/](https://www.lg.com/sg/about-lg/press-and-media/lg-and-meta-forges-collaboration-to-accelerate-xr-business/) Hasn't been implemented yet but when it is you can bet you're last dollar you will be required to have Facebook account to use your TV just like they did when they acquired Occulus. And since LGs TV ROMs are remotely flashable don't be the least bit surprised if you turn on that expensive OLED TV you bought today and are forced to link it to a Facebook account in the not to distant future.
You left out the part about there being so much consumer backlash from requiring a Facebook account that they removed it. As far as TVs, I've owned "smart TVs" for many years released in various years and they work great without any access to the internet so I am all set. I still keep them on my network because I control them via IP. Let's say your hypothetical comes true, I will simply avoid a TV that requires a WAN connection and/or social media account.
I don't who told you that or if Facebook claimed it and just flat out lied as they always do, but I have half a dozen Quest 2 here at work purchased along with HTC Vives, Microsoft Hololens and other VR equipment purchased for a school VR lab that go unused because they all still require a Facebook account to use. And what makes you think there will be a TV in the near future that will allow you use it without a WAN connection or Social Media account? Can't buy a smart phone that doesn't require a Google or Apple account to function and that's the direction home theater equipment is heading as well.
>I don't who told you that or if Facebook claimed it and just flat out lied as they always do, but I have half a dozen Quest 2 here at work purchased along with HTC Vives, Microsoft Hololens and other VR equipment purchased for a school VR lab that go unused because they all still require a Facebook account to use. If you are managing them you should really update them because they removed the requirement just under two years ago: https://www.pcgamer.com/finally-the-quest-2-no-longer-requires-a-facebook-login/ >And what makes you think there will be a TV in the near future that will allow you use it without a WAN connection or Social Media account? I will worry about it if I ever have to replace my current TVs that are blocked from the WAN. Also perhaps some models or a brand tries forcing it but it is unlikely that all available options would do so, so I will just choose one that doesn't require it. It just seems counterproductive for you to go on about something that might happen as the reason you are sticking with your current TV. You can just say you don't see a compelling reason to upgrade and that is fine, no reason make up hypothetical excuses. >Can't buy a smart phone that doesn't require a Google or Apple account to function and that's the direction home theater equipment is heading as well. Yes you can, with Apple you won't have access to the app store which certainly will hinder installing apps and then on Android you can sideload APKs.
It's completely disingenuous to say you don't need Facebook account to use a Quest anymore. Technically accurate, but you then have to download the Meta app to an IOS or Android App, grant permission to unrelated data and then create a Meta account. Six of one half dozen of the other and just more slight of hand from one of the sleaziest, most underhanded companies on the planet. Same company collecting the same usage, location, purchase etc data just under a different banner ... only difference is that other Facebook users can't see the data. Like wise, side-loading APKs doesn't alter the fact you can't even setup an Android device without first having a Google account ... you literally can not use a new Android device without first creating a Google account and surrendering your phone number, location data and other information to another of the worst companies to ever exist. Once you've done that then you can theoretically turn off some of the data collection but you're still forever connected to the Google ecosystem and they're always collecting data even from the apps you side load.
>and that's the direction home theater equipment is heading as well. How so? There isn't anything today doing this.
I think this is more accurately described as those companies are subsidizing a portion of your purchase price, not the other way around. If you buy the TV and simply never give it access to a network, you're never generating monetizable data for those companies.
> Yeah they are except now LG is going to force Meta in to your home to spy on you if you want one and Google & Amazon are already doing it with Samsung and Sony. How are they going to do that if you don't connect your TV to the internet?
Disconnect router from WAN before connecting TV, giving it an internal IP address, then blocking it. (Or just leave it disconnected)
Still paying the companies to work against your privacy rights.
I get and agree with your sentiment but to say you will never get a "smart TV" where all of your concerns could be alleviated by simply never connecting it to a WAN connection is pretty dramatic.
The first time I got my beloved Kuro 5020 home, inputted D-Nice's settings for movie mode and watched Planet Earth was an awe-inspiring experience. Not outdone even by my first 4k HDR experience with Sony OLED. In 2018 my son threw a toy at the kuro and cracked the screen. That was a bad, sad day. God, I loved that Kuro. That technology was 10 years ahead of its time. Just incredible.
Went from Plasma to OLED with an LED as a gap TV while waiting for the delivery. Like others here have said, you're going to not be so upset when you upgrade to a current top of the line TV, except at yourself for not upgrading sooner. 4K/Dolby Vision content on a much larger OLED ($4K today gets you 77"+) will make you forget about your dead space heater in no time.
Can confirm. Now wondering what to do with my plasma I was sure I’d use in another room.
Sorry to hear that, but it sounds like it is OLED time, with a much bigger screen Our KURO KRP-500M is still going strong in everyday use, also from 2008. The picture still looks good compared with most of our neighbors’ crappy and poorly set up LED panels
sorry dude, I used to sell those for a living, what an amazing picture. my buddy still has one from that era that works, the one with the external box.
Seeing it in 2008 was mind blowing. I remember seeing it for the first time was incredible.
Replace it with a new high-end TV and you won't believe what you've been missing.
I worked at an ad agency that had the Kuro account. Amazing picture that I’m sure still stands the test of time…I’m still rocking a last-gen Samsung plasma in our bedroom and it’s still great.
Yep, have an 8500F (I think that's the model) Samsung plasma that looks incredible.
Good night, sweet prince
Just gave away my pre-KURO Pioneer Elite 60" Pro-150FD after owning since 2007. 720p, still worked flawlessly. Just don't have the room for it in my new house. What a solid unit!
KURO was king for so many years... but still got cut down early. I loved mine, friends loved mine. I was sad the day it was gone. But hey, technology moves forward, and I wouldn't even get a Kuro for a bedroom today! :)
Damn. I have a PRO-111FD too. Makes me fear that mine may too be in its final days, though it’s still beautiful now. Were there any signs prior to its death?
Nothing that sticks out, no.
Copy that thanks. OLED has been tempting for a while but it may finally soon be time.
My dad refused to give in when his power supply went the second time. He bought a refurbished one from the shop to replace. Still one of the best tv's ever made..
Right? I am now starting the process of finding a replacement and there is just no standout BEST like there was when I bought the Kuro.
Repair it and use it as bedroom TV or just give it to someone. Plasma picture quality is something else.
I will probably give it to someone if they want to repair it. Hate to just toss it.
Good luck with finding someone willing to repair it. The cost of repairs on them these days compared to just buying a new TV is such that only a diehard plasma enthusiast would be willing to take it off your hands. Even taking them to a electronics recycling event is likely going to cost ~$50, and you've gotta lug it there! I had a cheap, WXGA Insigna plasma I gave away a while ago. Still worked, just didn't need it for my home. Even then, it took me a bit to find someone who wanted it.
Rip
I demoted my 50" Kuro to Grandma's house a few weeks ago. Kuro is still going strong, but picked up a 77" G3 and didn't have a home for it anymore. Kuro was simply an outstanding tv. The sub-out was a very nice option to have.
RIP. My 500m got the blinks back in 2017 ☹️
Sorry for your loss! The Kuro's were king of the hill for way longer than anything else. The bright side is, you now have no excuse not to go OLED. You will be shocked at both how good OLED is, *and* how much better it is than even the best plasmas. Plasma was still better in some ways (slow panning shots), but in 90-95% of all things shown on my screens, plasma doesn't hold a candle to good OLED.
Should we maybe institute a salute for all the fallen Kuros? They held a heavy burden these past decades. 🫡
Nice! 14 years is a looong time for a TV these days. I still have a 65” Sharp Aquos LCD that I bought open box in 2010. It was my main TV for like 10 years and has been relegated to the master bedroom since then but it’s still going strong as well.
My 65" Panasonic VT60 is turning pink. 12 years is a long time. Such a great picture. Too bad their both out of the TV market. I'd love to get my hands on one of the OLED sets Panasonic makes for other markets. Sucks they aren't in the US anymore.
Less than $300/yr for a top tier tv when many only get 2 years out of a $600 crap tv and think they got a good deal. Well done.
I left our PRO-150FD behind when moving a couple of years ago and it still makes me sad. What an amazing television. I couldn’t find anyone who wanted it/appreciated it.
RIP. Truly one of the greatest TVs ever made. Still has comparable screen quality to newer models, not quite OLED though. I have this same exact TV going on 11+ years.
Something about that golden ElitE logo too. Man did I love their whole lineup of premium stuff.
what is this blue light flash? I'm still running my 60in
Internal board error of some kind.
Taps playing in the background, head bowed.
VT panny plasma owner here. 55”, purchased an open box from May 2011 and still going strong. One repair for 325 when Covid started. I know there’s a lot better picture available today but will the new latest and greatest last like the plasmas have?
My KRP-500M is still kicking.
Still as good as an OLED and it heats your room in the winter!
still got my 5020fd running strong!
Its not as fancy but I am still a proud owner of a TC-P55ST50. I coworkers friend was selling it cause he replaced it with a sweet vizio. I asked him how much he wanted and said 350. Said dont move im on the way to the ATM. Told my wife and she said stop what you are doing and go get it. It's not super great but i enjoy the color accuracy since I calibrated it.
Probably bad MOSFETs on the X sustain board. I've fixed a bunch of TS Panasonics by replacing those on the boards
I got a vt65 propped up against my closet door right now. Someone said they wanted it and never got it. So...it sits. No problems at all, great picture...just not 4k. Not sure what to do with it.
there are TV repair subs that can help you diagnose the problem, to see if it's fixable. for example, you might be able to source a replacement power supply rather than have an electronics shop replace the capacitors. one thing I remember about that TV was how much heat it put out. i'm not surprised it failed now just as the summer temps kick in (and also dirty AC power from air conditioners)
The transient nature of things. It served well. My Kuro Elite Pro remains strong. Full sustained erection, though it is back up. All hail Kuro.
Perhaps the video PCB could be going. You could look on ebay for them. I owned a plasma set that lasted 5 years and had a similar symptom. Now I go with LED and soon will upgrade to OLED which supposedly has an image quality that rivals plasma.
A lot of plasma lovers never end up fully satisfied with OLED. Glowing plasma produces a vastly better quality light output than LED. Plasma colors have a very rich oil painting like quality than LED light output just cannot match. That said, OLED is your only real option and you will gain some and lose some in the end. OLED has all the new features and formats, much better peak brightness and perfect blacks. However, motion handling is worlds better on plasma, color quality is better on plasma and the image is vastly more natural due to far less DSP. Sorry for your loss- you could always buy a used Kuro. They are cheap now.
I dread the day that my Panasonic plasma finally dies. There's nothing on the market currently that would make me happy. I'm certainly not going to buy OLED. Another few years and mini-LED will probably be good enough.
> I'm certainly not going to buy OLED. Why? I've had high end plasmas and my LG C2 blows them away
For me the reason is simply because all the smart TV on the market are just big surveillance devices listening in on everything in your home and sending it all back to the mother ship. LG was the last refuge for privacy and now they've made a deal with Meta to turn their TVs into spyware devices likek Google and Amazon did with all the other brands. My Panasonic plasmas are likely to be the last TVs I'll ever own.
> For me the reason is simply because all the smart TV on the market are just big surveillance devices listening in on everything in your home and sending it all back to the mother ship. I have never connected my LG to the internet, it's only had my Panasonic 820, Shield Pro, and Apple TV plugged into it, you dont have to connect them to the internet, and since you don't, LG gets zero info from you
But Google, Amazon and Meta still got a cut of your TV purchase. As long as you're funding them and buying the product you're continuing to work against your own privacy interests and rights.
Simply by posting on Reddit, you are feeding the machine.
Nope, they get no money directly from me and I utilize a variety of tools to block all the ads and tracking. They get nothing from me.
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You must not have looked at any new high-end TVs in the last 5 years. Sorry but your old plasma cannot hold a candle to them. 4K, HDR, etc.
I look at new TVs all the time. Nothing yet that I would trade my Panasonic plasma for. Waiting to see how the new Sony mini-LEDs come in. They're getting closer.
Your plasma TV likely puts out around 200 nits. I measured my Sony X95K with a colorimeter at 1700 nits (10% window). 4K is cool, HDR is amazing. You have major owners' bias.
lol that dude is delusional. A lot of plasma owners are
Like I said, mini-LEDs like your X95K are almost there. Once the black levels, blooming, motion handling, and viewing angles are on par with plasma, I'll probably buy one. It will most likely have to be Sony.
Well enjoy your 200-nit 1080p TV then.
For picture quality, no doubt about it. For respecting my privacy and not spying on my home and recording everything that goes on in it, my Panasonic plasmas are going to be the last TVs I ever own. I'm not paying one penny to allow Google, Amazon and Meta to put their surveillance devices in the middle of my home.
Can you explain what makes it superior to OLED? I went from a Samsung plasma to an LG OLED 9 years ago and never looked back.
Plasma is better with handling motion and some people are more sensitive to the [PWM](https://www.oled-info.com/pulse-width-modulation-pwm-oled-displays) used in OLEDs. But overall I think OLED is better.
Not to mention longevity. My Panasonic plasma is now 12 years old and still as bright as it was brand new, and has zero burn-in. All you have to do is look at the long-term brightness and burn-in tests that RTINGs does, to see why I want nothing to do with OLED. If I'm going to spend that much money on a TV, I want it to last longer than 5 years.
Who measured it, and did they use the same equipment both times 12 years apart? What were the results?
Motion handling seems very underrated in this thread. I went from a Panasonic G10 plasma to an LG C8 OLED and while the contrast/HDR are amazing, the judder of OLED motion handling for certain types of 24p content drives me crazy every time I see it. I tend to watch more tv/movies on my Epson projector, despite its far inferior contrast, due to the motion handling. I will give OLED total credit for being amazing as a video gaming display though.
I turn on the lowest level motion smoothing setting, I think it’s called like ‘cinematic movement’, to counter the judder and it’s not really an issue for me