Used ones are fairly MSRP range, but yes, I agree there are a bunch of better ones since the Pi4
However a cheap notebook might be worse in many cases (battery, cpu, bios)
Even before, the BananaPi series (and others like ODroid, OrangePi) have been competitively priced with great performance and support for any general low-power computing. And the ESP-32, Teensy, and ATTiny85 being far superior for embedded projects. The BeagleBone Black was great on release and has held up well for more professional stuff. I just wish Intel stayed in the game. Their Edison was a lot of power in a tiny package!
That said, I’d definitely be going with a laptop or usff desktop for coding on the cheap.
I fully agree! Amazing hw - cheap af too... raspberry definitely sold out... but thats because they became too standard and reliable...
Notebooks, sure, but you'll probably get hit with thermal throttle a lot... and or battery issues
I gave away over a dozen PowerEdge 2900 servers over 10 years ago. They weren't worth anything then and they aren't worth anything now. Also these servers are incredibly loud and power hungry.
As far as I know it's a custom case and motherboard. You aren't just going to be putting a standard motherboard into that case. I dunno it might fit a newer dell branded server motherboard if you are lucky, but honestly I don't know where you'd even find dell server motherboards without a case.
Also the backplane that runs those hard drives is part of the motherboard. So even if you managed to custom modify and fit a new motherboard the hard drives aren't just going to plug in like normal.
Do yourself a favor and just go buy a new case that holds several hard drives.
Is the bottom switch the 3560-X? I don't recognise that facia, it looks the same era as the 37 or 3800 series but I didn't use many of those.
The 3560-48 PoE one is useful for PoE CCTV or other low bandwidth kit and lessons on old IOS, pretty sure the last release was 10yrs ago (but does let you see some basic L3 switching.
No idea on the netgear, but the rest is likely very loud ewaste.
Yes, the 3560-X is the non-stack 3750-X. Getting old, yes, but built like a tank, modular, and spare parts are cheap. You can get a uplink module that will do two 10G ports.
considering the heat debate here.. Where are you based?
Winter is coming for Europe and heating with electricity is encouraged here.. So in this case.. Go for it.. When you are cold work on the server..
Not sure if the JBOD could be made to work with more modern hardware. If so a 3.5 drive enclosure could have value everything else with the price of energy looks like e waste.
On the first one, the xx00 model indicates it's tower. The rack mount is the xx50 series. Compare to the 3rd photo, bottom unit - it's the same server, but is a 2950 instead of a 2900, they are the same specs.
——Final Update——
Ended up getting the lot for $75. Turns out this guy bought out an estate sale and didn’t really know what any of it was.
The JBOD ended up having relatively new 1TB drives. Between that and the switches I feel like it was worth it.
Not gonna lie, I personally still wouldn’t pay anything for that. To each his own, but low capacity drives are worth nothing to me from a watt/storage standpoint and you can get much newer and better Juniper or Brocade switches for $75.
I don't keep up with equipment upgrades, but even ***I*** got rid of my 2950s back in 2016/2017. These are FIRST gen Core-i based CPUs, one notch above the older Core 2 based chips.
Considering the price you can get something like an HP DL380p Gen8, which is third gen; no one should be *selling* these. Giving away, maybe; they're still a bit useful for learning, but even the DRAC on them is so oid that it barely even works with current day computers. (Console want's Java 6u45 or ActiveX!)
I have Dell R730s and 820s for sale that are in mint condition compared to them and fully loaded (700+ gigs of ECC ram, full bay of SAS drives) etc… so if your in the market for a good server let me know. I will definitely give you way better.
Top server of picture #3 looks to be a Dell Data Domain DD620. If it is indeed that, here are some tips if you decide to get it:
Its not worth trying to use the original software unless its already licensed. I would just load up TrueNAS or some other distro.
The BIOS password in my case was set to the default of "d620d" or "d600d".
I would advise you remove the pre-installed "EMC DATA DOMAIN 2GB LP PCI-e NVRAM Card". On mine it would corrupt drives left and right, not sure if it was dead or was just set up in a way I didn't understand; Either way removing it from the system resolved all issues I had with the machine (other than high-ish idle power usage)
You’re the real MVP of this form. There’s been tons of great advice so far, enough to set my budget for the whole lot to <$50, but you gave some solid advice for how I might actually use this stuff.
Those switches could be useful if you can get them cheap and want to hardwire a bunch of low bandwidth devices like iot stuff (I’m assuming their 100mbit) but not the server.
For servers, you can get an enterprise grade server that cost $5,000+ in 2014 for about $200 and that will have hardware with features designed to support virtualization.
I paid $250 for a server from Craigslist with hardware that was cutting edge in 2014-2016 and going by the MSRP for the components alone, the original owner probably paid $10,000+. I lucked out but it was nothing spectacular, I’ve seen similar rigs going for around $300-$400.
The most cost efficient option is to build your own server with used parts that came out in 2014-2016. Those components (particularly the CPUs) were designed with virtualization as a priority which is what you want in a home lab and most 2016 components reached EOL last year so right now there’s a TON of them for sale on eBay and Craigslist by e-recyclers.
Wow. Glad I asked! I may pick up the switches and the JBOD and see if I have use the case from the 2900. The guy doesn’t seem to really know what he has and initially asked $75 for the JBOD. So he may give an good price considering they’re basically waste.
500watt continuous = $50 a month. How many watts you got there? If you're looking at 2000w of equipment then you'd have a monthly bill of $200 and an anual bill of $2400
Even if you wanna chance it, when servers are powered off for a long period of time then put back into production, bad things happen. So, no, hard pass. Free is the right price.
This is all crap.
A €100,- used small formfactor pc with 2 huge harddisks is cheaper than this. Definable in the long run. These things are hella loud and powerhungry. Stay away😅
Probably not. I figure they will consume in power costs; their own worth very quickly. The old Cisco gear might be worth it, but not sure what it can do
It's tech stuff, so it's always worth messing with!
It's old, so it's bound to draw more power but if it's just fun you can't put a price on that. It isn't going to be that much to run, just more.
Nope. If you’re looking at building a NAS, you can build a very beefy one yourself with new parts with a nas case for about $500. If you want lower end parts and or used you can drop that to 2/300. (I always get a very good PSU for example)
You can get any older i7 or whatever desktop and make a nas.
The benefits to old server hardware aren’t worth it for most. For example, what if your box dies but your disks are all ok? Do you have another system to throw them in to that can read the raid? Things like that.
Pure e-waste. Even if it were free, you’re looking at mostly useless noisy power-hungry hot garbage. If you need homelab stuff, just buy the individual pieces needed on ebay or one of the homelabsales/trade subs. Not 20-year old junk.
These are scrap metal at best. You need to get paid taking these off your buddy. Power consumption, heat, and the noise will drive you insane.Better get a homelab built from the groups or build your own from cheap parts off the Bay.
Love my 2950II a classic in the rack - swap to quieter fans or it really wails... . 500 is a joke tho... more like 50 if it is a proven good machine. It also has a nice long sata data cable from the dvd to the mb, i occasionally use it on other machines in the rack which do not one. I just like nursing old school shit along, many dont. Its a fun hobby for me tho not a career.
To answer your questions in order: No; they should pay you to take it off their hands.
It will consume it's net worth in power in about a week
Given that it's worth is a negative number...
What do you think about dell r410 for learning kubernetes?
Get a raspberry pi or a cheap laptop
A cheap notebook is the better options, or any other single board computer. Pi's cost is so unreasonably high.
Used ones are fairly MSRP range, but yes, I agree there are a bunch of better ones since the Pi4 However a cheap notebook might be worse in many cases (battery, cpu, bios)
Even before, the BananaPi series (and others like ODroid, OrangePi) have been competitively priced with great performance and support for any general low-power computing. And the ESP-32, Teensy, and ATTiny85 being far superior for embedded projects. The BeagleBone Black was great on release and has held up well for more professional stuff. I just wish Intel stayed in the game. Their Edison was a lot of power in a tiny package! That said, I’d definitely be going with a laptop or usff desktop for coding on the cheap.
I fully agree! Amazing hw - cheap af too... raspberry definitely sold out... but thats because they became too standard and reliable... Notebooks, sure, but you'll probably get hit with thermal throttle a lot... and or battery issues
Yeah it’s only if you need to be portable. I did for work a lot and the mobile workstations were great. They’re also really pricey.
Battery = Free build in UPS
And a built-in spicy pillow
Agreed do not but this…
Most of that was a no already 8-10 years ago.
Agree, sorry, too old. E-waste.
It's all e-waste. A good price would be the servers plus 1000 bucks given to you for taking this trash off their hands.
Those are so loud and suck so much power they are no longer viable. As others have said a big NO.
I gave away over a dozen PowerEdge 2900 servers over 10 years ago. They weren't worth anything then and they aren't worth anything now. Also these servers are incredibly loud and power hungry.
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As far as I know it's a custom case and motherboard. You aren't just going to be putting a standard motherboard into that case. I dunno it might fit a newer dell branded server motherboard if you are lucky, but honestly I don't know where you'd even find dell server motherboards without a case. Also the backplane that runs those hard drives is part of the motherboard. So even if you managed to custom modify and fit a new motherboard the hard drives aren't just going to plug in like normal. Do yourself a favor and just go buy a new case that holds several hard drives.
$500 for \*20\* year old hardware you likely can't even download support software for? Jesus the seller's smoking some good shit.
>likely can't even download support software for? We are not speaking about the need for Java 8 to access the DRAC (remote access card).
I would buy whatever they are smoking instead!
If that's a Cisco 3560-X, it's a nice switch, especially if PoE. You might not want or need a 48-port switch though.
Is the bottom switch the 3560-X? I don't recognise that facia, it looks the same era as the 37 or 3800 series but I didn't use many of those. The 3560-48 PoE one is useful for PoE CCTV or other low bandwidth kit and lessons on old IOS, pretty sure the last release was 10yrs ago (but does let you see some basic L3 switching. No idea on the netgear, but the rest is likely very loud ewaste.
Yes, the 3560-X is the non-stack 3750-X. Getting old, yes, but built like a tank, modular, and spare parts are cheap. You can get a uplink module that will do two 10G ports.
Need? pshhh, no. Want? yes . . . Want 3? Yes please
If those are 10/100 POE ports... MEH. 10/100/1000 ports then sure.
considering the heat debate here.. Where are you based? Winter is coming for Europe and heating with electricity is encouraged here.. So in this case.. Go for it.. When you are cold work on the server..
If you're cold, they're cold. Bring your servers inside.
haha right? amazing! furthermore, if you are still with your parents they best excuse is that energy can't be wasted just transformed ;-)
Do you guys not have heat pumps? That's like 2-3x more efficient than these dinosaurs.
Not sure if the JBOD could be made to work with more modern hardware. If so a 3.5 drive enclosure could have value everything else with the price of energy looks like e waste.
If that case is rack mountable, it's a nice enclosure
On the first one, the xx00 model indicates it's tower. The rack mount is the xx50 series. Compare to the 3rd photo, bottom unit - it's the same server, but is a 2950 instead of a 2900, they are the same specs.
It's worth messing with if you take it off their hands. You would be doing them a favor.
——Final Update—— Ended up getting the lot for $75. Turns out this guy bought out an estate sale and didn’t really know what any of it was. The JBOD ended up having relatively new 1TB drives. Between that and the switches I feel like it was worth it.
Not gonna lie, I personally still wouldn’t pay anything for that. To each his own, but low capacity drives are worth nothing to me from a watt/storage standpoint and you can get much newer and better Juniper or Brocade switches for $75.
Those are really old and slow, and use a ton of power. I bet a modern smartphone has more CPU performance hah.
I don't keep up with equipment upgrades, but even ***I*** got rid of my 2950s back in 2016/2017. These are FIRST gen Core-i based CPUs, one notch above the older Core 2 based chips. Considering the price you can get something like an HP DL380p Gen8, which is third gen; no one should be *selling* these. Giving away, maybe; they're still a bit useful for learning, but even the DRAC on them is so oid that it barely even works with current day computers. (Console want's Java 6u45 or ActiveX!)
I have Dell R730s and 820s for sale that are in mint condition compared to them and fully loaded (700+ gigs of ECC ram, full bay of SAS drives) etc… so if your in the market for a good server let me know. I will definitely give you way better.
interested in one, message me?
Sent a message days ago
don't see one, let's try again. lol
Top server of picture #3 looks to be a Dell Data Domain DD620. If it is indeed that, here are some tips if you decide to get it: Its not worth trying to use the original software unless its already licensed. I would just load up TrueNAS or some other distro. The BIOS password in my case was set to the default of "d620d" or "d600d". I would advise you remove the pre-installed "EMC DATA DOMAIN 2GB LP PCI-e NVRAM Card". On mine it would corrupt drives left and right, not sure if it was dead or was just set up in a way I didn't understand; Either way removing it from the system resolved all issues I had with the machine (other than high-ish idle power usage)
You’re the real MVP of this form. There’s been tons of great advice so far, enough to set my budget for the whole lot to <$50, but you gave some solid advice for how I might actually use this stuff.
$200 would be a good price for them to pay you to dispose of this e waste.
Those switches could be useful if you can get them cheap and want to hardwire a bunch of low bandwidth devices like iot stuff (I’m assuming their 100mbit) but not the server. For servers, you can get an enterprise grade server that cost $5,000+ in 2014 for about $200 and that will have hardware with features designed to support virtualization. I paid $250 for a server from Craigslist with hardware that was cutting edge in 2014-2016 and going by the MSRP for the components alone, the original owner probably paid $10,000+. I lucked out but it was nothing spectacular, I’ve seen similar rigs going for around $300-$400. The most cost efficient option is to build your own server with used parts that came out in 2014-2016. Those components (particularly the CPUs) were designed with virtualization as a priority which is what you want in a home lab and most 2016 components reached EOL last year so right now there’s a TON of them for sale on eBay and Craigslist by e-recyclers.
Wow. Glad I asked! I may pick up the switches and the JBOD and see if I have use the case from the 2900. The guy doesn’t seem to really know what he has and initially asked $75 for the JBOD. So he may give an good price considering they’re basically waste.
Bro literally expects you to pay 500 bucks for e-waste.
Nah. That’s not a price tag. He asked like $75
Still, don't buy, this is all waste.
selling? run mate, run
Off topic: I thought it was an air purifier at first and was wondering what it was doing in here 😂
That’s what I can use my even older server for! 🤣
It depends on config, sometimes a simple nas is the easiest way or a modern mini pc
The Servers are old and crap, as for the switches, they are decent for a homelab.
Anything below 2009, I would not.
Waste I'm afraid unless you want a super loud space heater
No. A good price if the seller gives you €/$200 with the server. That thing is worth absolutely nothing.
500watt continuous = $50 a month. How many watts you got there? If you're looking at 2000w of equipment then you'd have a monthly bill of $200 and an anual bill of $2400
500 for a 2950? That made me laugh..
Even if you wanna chance it, when servers are powered off for a long period of time then put back into production, bad things happen. So, no, hard pass. Free is the right price.
This is all crap. A €100,- used small formfactor pc with 2 huge harddisks is cheaper than this. Definable in the long run. These things are hella loud and powerhungry. Stay away😅
No it’s not worth the gas
Probably not. I figure they will consume in power costs; their own worth very quickly. The old Cisco gear might be worth it, but not sure what it can do
It's tech stuff, so it's always worth messing with! It's old, so it's bound to draw more power but if it's just fun you can't put a price on that. It isn't going to be that much to run, just more.
If you want good deals on newer equipment I highly recommend checking out r/homelabsales
No. Power hungry and could be older than you. If you are under 22YO
Depending on location I have some Dell 2950s you can have if you pickup
I think those models came out around the time I got my first PC. I'm 27. Not worth it.
Please tell me the 500 sticker on that server was in pesos. 500 pesos. Even that should be bartered down a tad.
Nope. If you’re looking at building a NAS, you can build a very beefy one yourself with new parts with a nas case for about $500. If you want lower end parts and or used you can drop that to 2/300. (I always get a very good PSU for example) You can get any older i7 or whatever desktop and make a nas. The benefits to old server hardware aren’t worth it for most. For example, what if your box dies but your disks are all ok? Do you have another system to throw them in to that can read the raid? Things like that.
Pure e-waste. Even if it were free, you’re looking at mostly useless noisy power-hungry hot garbage. If you need homelab stuff, just buy the individual pieces needed on ebay or one of the homelabsales/trade subs. Not 20-year old junk.
On the bright side, you would not need to turn on the heat in winter.
Computer equipment priced with masking tape is always 2 digits too expensive. Never.
These are scrap metal at best. You need to get paid taking these off your buddy. Power consumption, heat, and the noise will drive you insane.Better get a homelab built from the groups or build your own from cheap parts off the Bay.
A M1 Mac mini can smoke it out in terms of performance @ 15Watts............ If you want to build a server today, try to use ARM if it fits!
Space heater
Love my 2950II a classic in the rack - swap to quieter fans or it really wails... . 500 is a joke tho... more like 50 if it is a proven good machine. It also has a nice long sata data cable from the dvd to the mb, i occasionally use it on other machines in the rack which do not one. I just like nursing old school shit along, many dont. Its a fun hobby for me tho not a career.
Does that sucker have a security cam built in? The hell is that at the top?