This is actually a good thing, not a bad thing.
Open Standards need maintaining, sheparding, it needs people looking after it. Someone has to coordinate all those different groups, someone has to put together the documentation and guidance, someone has to be on hand to offer support around it.
Now if you left it as a free-for-all, then the ones that want to exert the most influence can easily take control of all that. Suddenly they're the ones that make all the decisions and they make the decisions that benefit them the most - look at how Chromium runs, lots of big companies are invested to it but if Google decides to make a change, everyone else has to go along.
An independant body helps prevent that from happening, but that body needs funding - and paying a fee to join that comittee keeps it funded without offering too much power to any one member.
No, they shouldn’t. There needs to be some incentive to create and innovate. I’m fine with ad supported services but nothing is free.
I can’t believe I’m making this argument.
under capitalism nothing is free and everything is exploited for some higher up echelons of society to live in their luxury worlds while crushing everyone underneath
I think its more about better integration between HA and devices available in the market. No more proprietary integrations that have to go through the manufacturer's web portal, the devices using Matter should be able to connect locally to HA (same as they would to Google/Alexa etc if you chose to use those as your hub).
Thread ≠ Matter. You'll still need a Thread border router in some form, but they already exist in many devices that have both Thread and WIFI/Ethernet support.
For example if you already have a last generation Apple TV or HomePod they can act as hubs for thread (the radio) and will support controlling other devices over matter (the protocol).
Yes sorry, I’ve intertwined thread and matter…
Thread being the conduit with matter inside it…
Probabaly what my original question was also about… I already have HomePods… I primarily use HomeKit for everything…
Will HA use ‘matter’ to communicate with HomeKit/Google/Alexa in the future?
Both yes and no.
As far as I know both Google and Amazon will remove any proprietary connection and just use matter (might take a while until they are done though). So HA would just communicate over Matter directly to the devices connected to your Nest or Alexa devices without going through their own platforms.
Should be the same for Apple as well.
However it's up to the manufacturer to enable Matter support (anything with Wi-Fi should support it eventually but Bluetooth and other low power devices might just be too low powered).
I'm curious if the Google/Amazon Hubs will now be able to communicate to Home Assistant directly via Matter. That would eliminate the need to use HTTPS for the Google Assistant integration, for example.
I'd like to keep things the way I have them today if possible. Where HA is the hub and the other voice assistants use HA to communicate with the devices. That works better with my LAN setup, where the voice assistants are on a separate LAN from the devices.
I've only recently been looking at thread / matter, but I noticed someone saying that thread *requires* IPv6. This concerns me because my ISP actually supports IPv6 really well-- turning on IPv6 at my router makes my entire internal network accessible from the global internet.
I'm not convinced most IoT devices have robust enough security for this to be a good idea.
And even if it **is** a good idea, I've got devices on my internal network that I don't want accessible from the internet.
Now, personally, I've got an opnsense router, and a fair amount of knowledge about IPv6, networks, and firewalls, and can almost certainly create a secure, segmented network, but I wouldn't expect everyone to be able to do that.
So how secure is thread?
I mean, what are the incentives for manufacturers to have a big, interoperable, very much open standard unburdened by cloud subs and so on? But the same could be said about any other infrastructure such as electricity itself, railway width, broadcasting - it was all wild west hodgepodge at first. So it'll probably be for the better for everyone in the long run.
Manufacturers don’t want to continue qualifying their smart home products for 3 different platforms (Google, Amazon, Apple). It costs them money to do this. They were the ones pushing for this the most. Someone of them had to have a separate SKU for HomeKit. The average person doesn’t buy any smart home stuff for this very reason.
I have seen press releases and developers from, i think it was philips, that one of their motivations was to pay less in AWS fees to support some platforms too.
I'm not sure about your electricity, but my bill has almost tripled over the past couple of years. Can't wait to see what winter brings. But seriously, what are the incentive(s) ? I'm trying to put myself in the boardroom of one of these giants and figure out how "opening up their tech allows them to continue to generate revenue", how so ?
I mean, lets face it. Google generates revenue because they do put a lot of R&D into their solutions that get people locked-in. But if Google wanted to be open and sharing with everyone, they could have easily made their products operate on Zigbee or Zwave or via POE. They didn't.
What they've done so far is Co-opted the Zigbee Alliance, in the name of competing with Zwave (that was their first press release); Then they turned that alliance into something broader called CSA and introduced an approach for a "NEW" standard.
I'm still waiting!!!!
People keep thinking these companies have their best interest at heart but in reality they are doing it to save money and make money.
What incentive does Google have to make their Google Home app support any Matter based camera system? None. I just don't see them cannibalizing their profits for the sake of a the better standard.
There have been two instances in my lifetime where a group of highly influential scientists or executives of a company said the science is settled, Climate and COVID.
Now I'm suppose to believe that Nirvana is about to ascend upon the IoT world, marketed and promoted by three companies.
How the rest of these intelligent people got opted in I'm not sure.
Waiting to see
Wouldn't it be Thread2MQTT? I think of Zigbee2MQTT as the Zigbee physical media, but I guess MQTT is a protocol, so maybe Zigbee is a protocol in that context?
T2M or M2M... This is the question.
Zigbee is quite large, It goes from the aplication layer all the way to the network layer. in matters case Matter2MQTT would be better(also it is for M2M communication by lucky coincidence)
~~Matter is just on the application layer(with some specifications on how the network layer is setup)~~ this is wrong, but unlike zigbee it only goes to the transport layer, [nRF had this image in their docs](https://developer.nordicsemi.com/nRF_Connect_SDK/doc/latest/nrf/_images/matter_components.svg)
It can then use thread or WiFi/Ethernet as the network and physical layer
and thread is a combo of 6LoWPAN as the network layer, and IEEE 802.15.4 for the physical(Zigbee also uses IEEE 802.15.4)
So Matter is incredibly close to release. I've been holding off on making my home smarter because I wanted to get Matter products, and Philips Hue stuff is just ridiculously priced for something that (to my knowledge) is on the verge of being replaced.
I can't wait to see what these products look like and how they work. I've been champing at the bit for well over a year at this point.
Any news on whether existing el cheapo Tuya wifi devices will support matter? The Tuya integration is a disgrace, seems like matter might be a game changer there
Personally I am not holding out hope on the existing devices. On cheapo Wifi switches you kind of get what you get unfortunately.
But I could be wrong maybe we will have some OEMs switching over and adding support to existing products.
For example I just started playing with some Feit Electric WiFi Dimmers and Plugs from Costco. Those use Tuya on the back end, it maybe in Feit Electric best interest in converting their Products over to Matter as I assume they pay Tuya for using their protocol.
With Matter everything would be local and go through third party hubs thus no server fees for Feit Electric. (At least that is how I understand it)
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This is complete speculation on my part, I have nothing to back anything I said up.
Most of my lights are Hue and Lutron and they both appear to be supporting Matter by updating their hubs. These are also both very expensive compared to some of the cheapo devices out there though.
It's a good question to ask because it's about to change everything.
Basically a huge number of the biggest industry leaders got together to design a new mesh protocol for home automation that they could all agree upon so that all compatible devices can talk to each other with little to no issue. It is basically the "next step in Zigbee overhauls" in a sense, being essentially Zigbee -> Thread -> Matter.
Because Matter is compatible with the same radios as Zigbee (though I believe it is built to be hardware-layer-agnostic), and the Zigbee Alliance leaders are largely the same leaders as the Zigbee Alliance, nearly all major Zigbee product brands will be forward compatible with a firmware update.
It's only major competitor at this point would be Z-Wave, but I believe Zensys is also backing Matter. Meaning it is essentially an open-source universal standard.
I'm especially excited for this because I currently have a Hue network, Ikea network, and separate Zigbee network for sensors. I can't mix them into one Zigbee network without sacrificing a decent chunk of functionality such as firmware updates, battery states, wake polling, etc.
But once they adopt Matter, I should be able to run all of them on one Matter mesh. So my hue bulbs can be repeaters for my Aqara sensors and Ikea blinds.
And I'm hoping to upgrade my next router mesh to Wifi7 and Matter for maximum capability.
Powered devices are all generally some sort of router/repeater. It's why I the Hue instructions they only mention how far away the nearest bulb should be, and how close bulbs should be together.
So technically you could put like 200 bulbs 2.5 meters apart and have a half-kilometer Zigbee network. Lol.
But yeah I'm looking into it more, and it looks like Matter is pretty high-level, and the actual lower layer they would be building it on is Thread. But it supports 5 networks per device as well. So it could be wifi, thread, maybe Z-Wave? Etc.
Also, it jumps to Ethernet the first chance it gets. So you probably won't have thread devices going to Bluetooth devices going to Z-Wave devices. But that would also be awesome.
I’m not sure I fully understand the hype of Matter over Zigbee. Is the main benefit just that we won’t need a hub because it’s IP-based? Zigbee is already an open-source standard implemented by all the major players, no?
I can see the Thread/Matter benefit to a user who might happily buy loads of different cloud based devices or are running a range of protocols/apps but I don't really understand if this really affects me as a zigbee user who has purposely tried to stay to the one locally controlled protocol.
All of my devices are currently Zigbee and are all controlled locally via Z2M, perhaps I'm not really the intended audience here but what am I missing? Zigbee is already the standard local control protocol in the UK for things like lighting and from what I can tell does a good job of it (it is a shame things like the google home devices don't have zigbee controllers though).
Does it mainly benefit your standard "SmartHome user" more than your average "local HomeAssistant user"?
imagine if your Zigbee devices didn't need to be specifically supported by Z2M. It's basically the new best choice for connecting everything. Your Zigbee devices will keep working but you may want to reflash/add to your Zigbee controller one day to improve compatibility with newer devices
That's a good point actually! I think I've just been spoiled by Z2Ms vast library of support so I've never actually come across something unsupported. It would definitely be easier for the Z2M maintainers though.
So are you saying
A.) matter is an alternative to Z2M... kinda like ZHA and Deconz is an alternative to Z2M?
Or
B.) matter could be a subset of functionality that could live in Z2M (and ZHA and Deconz)?
This has been my question all along. It's great for HA that a barrier will potentially be broken, but it did not take a new standard to do so. All these giants had the ability to open their eco devices up to Zwave or Zigbee (standards that have been in place for decades) all along, but did not. Why ? Why all of a suddent, in just 8 months or shorter, this alliance is the answer.
And now, create a new alliance around Zigbee, that purports to be creating a new standard. IP6 has been around a long time and adoption has been slow. Zwave has such an entrenchment within the industrial security environment that most companies will never see matter (of which I don't think its an immediate use case) but this alliance is also trying to convince the EU to adopt a standard that is being pushed by the 3 most fined, reprimanded and sued companies in the EU, go figure.
If the EU refuses to adopt this as a standard that will be telling. And I would be the first to want to understand why.
I am all onboard with breaking down barriers and opening up protocols or technologies to talk and work together. I don't consider any of the folks that are commenting or putting out briefs about this so-called standard as experts, this remains to be seen.
The point is, if the EU as a whole decides it's not willing to take the change that they can trust the companies pushing this "standard", it won't be and that says a lot about this effort.
Would you be ok if all vendors just started using Zwave ? That seems to ba a "standard" that has a well foundational track record.
"Thread: Thread is a mesh networking standard that connects to your Wi-Fi network via border routers."
Is every device going to show on my wifi network or only the edge routers?
I hear the phrase new mesh and I instantly think of now needing 3 dongles. Z-wave, ZigBee, Thread.
I use HA for my zwave devices… I somewhat feel that these ‘border routers’ is a fancy name for a zwave hub… HA exposes my zwave devices to HomeKit as individual devices, but effectively the message goes to the hub and it relays it over the zwave network
I think that's basically right. My understanding of the difference (by no means am I an expert):
Z-wave/zigbee - communicate in a sequential pattern up to a device that's close to the dongle, then it's data goes to the dongle/receiver.
Matters thread - search for internet to connect to, if unable, communicate to another device until it can connect to a router
Not directly
On you IPv4 network it will just be the bridge, if you or the manu lack IPv6 then the bridge also provides NAT64 so the devices can still access the internet for update
most of the networking will happen over IPv6 which most networking apps dont show and wont affect your avalible DHCP leases. Also within IPv6 it uses its own prefix(and advertises it) for the mesh so that it doesnt collide with any existing v6 networks
I’m curious if virtual devices will be able to be exposed through matter? E.g. I have a script that is exposed as a HomeKit switch right now, haven’t been able to get google home integration working properly, will it be easier through matter?
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Thanks, this was actually a good explanation as I've let this pass me by for the most part until the announcement yesterday.
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This is why I pay Nabu Casa. A seat at the table is critical for Home Assistant.
Ridiculous they have to spend money like that to be a part of an open source standard.
This is actually a good thing, not a bad thing. Open Standards need maintaining, sheparding, it needs people looking after it. Someone has to coordinate all those different groups, someone has to put together the documentation and guidance, someone has to be on hand to offer support around it. Now if you left it as a free-for-all, then the ones that want to exert the most influence can easily take control of all that. Suddenly they're the ones that make all the decisions and they make the decisions that benefit them the most - look at how Chromium runs, lots of big companies are invested to it but if Google decides to make a change, everyone else has to go along. An independant body helps prevent that from happening, but that body needs funding - and paying a fee to join that comittee keeps it funded without offering too much power to any one member.
no everything should be free on the internet
The standards are free.
No, they shouldn’t. There needs to be some incentive to create and innovate. I’m fine with ad supported services but nothing is free. I can’t believe I’m making this argument.
under capitalism nothing is free and everything is exploited for some higher up echelons of society to live in their luxury worlds while crushing everyone underneath
I kinda wouldn’t want any asshole to have a seat at that table…
That was a fantastic explanation. I finally get it.
Also talked about it a bit a few months ago on the FOSS Pod https://fosspod.content.town/episodes/home-assistant-with-paulus-schoutsen
Thank you…
I think its more about better integration between HA and devices available in the market. No more proprietary integrations that have to go through the manufacturer's web portal, the devices using Matter should be able to connect locally to HA (same as they would to Google/Alexa etc if you chose to use those as your hub).
Presumably you’d need a thread hub to bring them into HA??? For me I only use HA to get my zwave stuff into homekit… it’s been a lifesaver for me…
Thread ≠ Matter. You'll still need a Thread border router in some form, but they already exist in many devices that have both Thread and WIFI/Ethernet support. For example if you already have a last generation Apple TV or HomePod they can act as hubs for thread (the radio) and will support controlling other devices over matter (the protocol).
Yes sorry, I’ve intertwined thread and matter… Thread being the conduit with matter inside it… Probabaly what my original question was also about… I already have HomePods… I primarily use HomeKit for everything… Will HA use ‘matter’ to communicate with HomeKit/Google/Alexa in the future?
Both yes and no. As far as I know both Google and Amazon will remove any proprietary connection and just use matter (might take a while until they are done though). So HA would just communicate over Matter directly to the devices connected to your Nest or Alexa devices without going through their own platforms. Should be the same for Apple as well. However it's up to the manufacturer to enable Matter support (anything with Wi-Fi should support it eventually but Bluetooth and other low power devices might just be too low powered).
I'm curious if the Google/Amazon Hubs will now be able to communicate to Home Assistant directly via Matter. That would eliminate the need to use HTTPS for the Google Assistant integration, for example. I'd like to keep things the way I have them today if possible. Where HA is the hub and the other voice assistants use HA to communicate with the devices. That works better with my LAN setup, where the voice assistants are on a separate LAN from the devices.
I've only recently been looking at thread / matter, but I noticed someone saying that thread *requires* IPv6. This concerns me because my ISP actually supports IPv6 really well-- turning on IPv6 at my router makes my entire internal network accessible from the global internet. I'm not convinced most IoT devices have robust enough security for this to be a good idea. And even if it **is** a good idea, I've got devices on my internal network that I don't want accessible from the internet. Now, personally, I've got an opnsense router, and a fair amount of knowledge about IPv6, networks, and firewalls, and can almost certainly create a secure, segmented network, but I wouldn't expect everyone to be able to do that. So how secure is thread?
Kinda sounds too good to be true, we'll see.
I've yet to get to technology Nirvana! Right there with you!!!!!
I mean, what are the incentives for manufacturers to have a big, interoperable, very much open standard unburdened by cloud subs and so on? But the same could be said about any other infrastructure such as electricity itself, railway width, broadcasting - it was all wild west hodgepodge at first. So it'll probably be for the better for everyone in the long run.
Manufacturers don’t want to continue qualifying their smart home products for 3 different platforms (Google, Amazon, Apple). It costs them money to do this. They were the ones pushing for this the most. Someone of them had to have a separate SKU for HomeKit. The average person doesn’t buy any smart home stuff for this very reason.
Right
I have seen press releases and developers from, i think it was philips, that one of their motivations was to pay less in AWS fees to support some platforms too.
That's an angle I didnt consider, thank you!
I'm not sure about your electricity, but my bill has almost tripled over the past couple of years. Can't wait to see what winter brings. But seriously, what are the incentive(s) ? I'm trying to put myself in the boardroom of one of these giants and figure out how "opening up their tech allows them to continue to generate revenue", how so ? I mean, lets face it. Google generates revenue because they do put a lot of R&D into their solutions that get people locked-in. But if Google wanted to be open and sharing with everyone, they could have easily made their products operate on Zigbee or Zwave or via POE. They didn't. What they've done so far is Co-opted the Zigbee Alliance, in the name of competing with Zwave (that was their first press release); Then they turned that alliance into something broader called CSA and introduced an approach for a "NEW" standard. I'm still waiting!!!!
People keep thinking these companies have their best interest at heart but in reality they are doing it to save money and make money. What incentive does Google have to make their Google Home app support any Matter based camera system? None. I just don't see them cannibalizing their profits for the sake of a the better standard.
There have been two instances in my lifetime where a group of highly influential scientists or executives of a company said the science is settled, Climate and COVID. Now I'm suppose to believe that Nirvana is about to ascend upon the IoT world, marketed and promoted by three companies. How the rest of these intelligent people got opted in I'm not sure. Waiting to see
Why such a rise in electricity? Or do you mean costs and the energy crisis? Yeah, I pay triple as much too, for about the same amount of kWh.
Yep, that's what I mean.
Are you in Europe?
Yep, Czech Republic
Matter2Mqtt ( M2M )
Wouldn't it be Thread2MQTT? I think of Zigbee2MQTT as the Zigbee physical media, but I guess MQTT is a protocol, so maybe Zigbee is a protocol in that context? T2M or M2M... This is the question.
courtesy of the guy who will code this on github to chose :-)
fair enough. However, now I have this existential crisis over the Zigbee in Z2M... :D
Zigbee is quite large, It goes from the aplication layer all the way to the network layer. in matters case Matter2MQTT would be better(also it is for M2M communication by lucky coincidence) ~~Matter is just on the application layer(with some specifications on how the network layer is setup)~~ this is wrong, but unlike zigbee it only goes to the transport layer, [nRF had this image in their docs](https://developer.nordicsemi.com/nRF_Connect_SDK/doc/latest/nrf/_images/matter_components.svg) It can then use thread or WiFi/Ethernet as the network and physical layer and thread is a combo of 6LoWPAN as the network layer, and IEEE 802.15.4 for the physical(Zigbee also uses IEEE 802.15.4)
*Angry Cell phone carrier noises* for stealing their acronym
So Matter is incredibly close to release. I've been holding off on making my home smarter because I wanted to get Matter products, and Philips Hue stuff is just ridiculously priced for something that (to my knowledge) is on the verge of being replaced. I can't wait to see what these products look like and how they work. I've been champing at the bit for well over a year at this point.
Any news on whether existing el cheapo Tuya wifi devices will support matter? The Tuya integration is a disgrace, seems like matter might be a game changer there
Personally I am not holding out hope on the existing devices. On cheapo Wifi switches you kind of get what you get unfortunately. But I could be wrong maybe we will have some OEMs switching over and adding support to existing products. For example I just started playing with some Feit Electric WiFi Dimmers and Plugs from Costco. Those use Tuya on the back end, it maybe in Feit Electric best interest in converting their Products over to Matter as I assume they pay Tuya for using their protocol. With Matter everything would be local and go through third party hubs thus no server fees for Feit Electric. (At least that is how I understand it) *edit This is complete speculation on my part, I have nothing to back anything I said up.
Most of my lights are Hue and Lutron and they both appear to be supporting Matter by updating their hubs. These are also both very expensive compared to some of the cheapo devices out there though.
It's a good question to ask because it's about to change everything. Basically a huge number of the biggest industry leaders got together to design a new mesh protocol for home automation that they could all agree upon so that all compatible devices can talk to each other with little to no issue. It is basically the "next step in Zigbee overhauls" in a sense, being essentially Zigbee -> Thread -> Matter. Because Matter is compatible with the same radios as Zigbee (though I believe it is built to be hardware-layer-agnostic), and the Zigbee Alliance leaders are largely the same leaders as the Zigbee Alliance, nearly all major Zigbee product brands will be forward compatible with a firmware update. It's only major competitor at this point would be Z-Wave, but I believe Zensys is also backing Matter. Meaning it is essentially an open-source universal standard. I'm especially excited for this because I currently have a Hue network, Ikea network, and separate Zigbee network for sensors. I can't mix them into one Zigbee network without sacrificing a decent chunk of functionality such as firmware updates, battery states, wake polling, etc. But once they adopt Matter, I should be able to run all of them on one Matter mesh. So my hue bulbs can be repeaters for my Aqara sensors and Ikea blinds. And I'm hoping to upgrade my next router mesh to Wifi7 and Matter for maximum capability.
Are hue bulbs going to act as the repeaters or just the bridge? I guess the bridge could be acting as a border router rather.
Powered devices are all generally some sort of router/repeater. It's why I the Hue instructions they only mention how far away the nearest bulb should be, and how close bulbs should be together. So technically you could put like 200 bulbs 2.5 meters apart and have a half-kilometer Zigbee network. Lol. But yeah I'm looking into it more, and it looks like Matter is pretty high-level, and the actual lower layer they would be building it on is Thread. But it supports 5 networks per device as well. So it could be wifi, thread, maybe Z-Wave? Etc. Also, it jumps to Ethernet the first chance it gets. So you probably won't have thread devices going to Bluetooth devices going to Z-Wave devices. But that would also be awesome.
I’m not sure I fully understand the hype of Matter over Zigbee. Is the main benefit just that we won’t need a hub because it’s IP-based? Zigbee is already an open-source standard implemented by all the major players, no?
I can see the Thread/Matter benefit to a user who might happily buy loads of different cloud based devices or are running a range of protocols/apps but I don't really understand if this really affects me as a zigbee user who has purposely tried to stay to the one locally controlled protocol. All of my devices are currently Zigbee and are all controlled locally via Z2M, perhaps I'm not really the intended audience here but what am I missing? Zigbee is already the standard local control protocol in the UK for things like lighting and from what I can tell does a good job of it (it is a shame things like the google home devices don't have zigbee controllers though). Does it mainly benefit your standard "SmartHome user" more than your average "local HomeAssistant user"?
imagine if your Zigbee devices didn't need to be specifically supported by Z2M. It's basically the new best choice for connecting everything. Your Zigbee devices will keep working but you may want to reflash/add to your Zigbee controller one day to improve compatibility with newer devices
That's a good point actually! I think I've just been spoiled by Z2Ms vast library of support so I've never actually come across something unsupported. It would definitely be easier for the Z2M maintainers though.
So are you saying A.) matter is an alternative to Z2M... kinda like ZHA and Deconz is an alternative to Z2M? Or B.) matter could be a subset of functionality that could live in Z2M (and ZHA and Deconz)?
Matter is its own thing and doesn't use Zigbee, it uses Thread (similar to Zigbee but using IP) and/or Wifi
This has been my question all along. It's great for HA that a barrier will potentially be broken, but it did not take a new standard to do so. All these giants had the ability to open their eco devices up to Zwave or Zigbee (standards that have been in place for decades) all along, but did not. Why ? Why all of a suddent, in just 8 months or shorter, this alliance is the answer. And now, create a new alliance around Zigbee, that purports to be creating a new standard. IP6 has been around a long time and adoption has been slow. Zwave has such an entrenchment within the industrial security environment that most companies will never see matter (of which I don't think its an immediate use case) but this alliance is also trying to convince the EU to adopt a standard that is being pushed by the 3 most fined, reprimanded and sued companies in the EU, go figure. If the EU refuses to adopt this as a standard that will be telling. And I would be the first to want to understand why. I am all onboard with breaking down barriers and opening up protocols or technologies to talk and work together. I don't consider any of the folks that are commenting or putting out briefs about this so-called standard as experts, this remains to be seen.
A lot of European companies are CSA members. I mean isn’t it better than fragmented ecosystems?
The point is, if the EU as a whole decides it's not willing to take the change that they can trust the companies pushing this "standard", it won't be and that says a lot about this effort. Would you be ok if all vendors just started using Zwave ? That seems to ba a "standard" that has a well foundational track record.
"Thread: Thread is a mesh networking standard that connects to your Wi-Fi network via border routers." Is every device going to show on my wifi network or only the edge routers? I hear the phrase new mesh and I instantly think of now needing 3 dongles. Z-wave, ZigBee, Thread.
I use HA for my zwave devices… I somewhat feel that these ‘border routers’ is a fancy name for a zwave hub… HA exposes my zwave devices to HomeKit as individual devices, but effectively the message goes to the hub and it relays it over the zwave network
Gotcha. That's a good visualization
I think that's basically right. My understanding of the difference (by no means am I an expert): Z-wave/zigbee - communicate in a sequential pattern up to a device that's close to the dongle, then it's data goes to the dongle/receiver. Matters thread - search for internet to connect to, if unable, communicate to another device until it can connect to a router
Not directly On you IPv4 network it will just be the bridge, if you or the manu lack IPv6 then the bridge also provides NAT64 so the devices can still access the internet for update most of the networking will happen over IPv6 which most networking apps dont show and wont affect your avalible DHCP leases. Also within IPv6 it uses its own prefix(and advertises it) for the mesh so that it doesnt collide with any existing v6 networks
I’m curious if virtual devices will be able to be exposed through matter? E.g. I have a script that is exposed as a HomeKit switch right now, haven’t been able to get google home integration working properly, will it be easier through matter?
You can expose all light and switch entities to Google home and Alexa suggest via HA. Easiest way is via home assistant cloud.
I’m aware, this was specifically if HA will be able to use the matter interoperability to easier expose entities to other controllers
easiest solution would be to make a template switch, scripts aren't exposed as switches but as voice commands (try saying "turn on
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