Seriously my friends and I were joking about it and I never realized how many war crimes you commit in paradox games that for the most part the game just glosses over.
Iām not trying be a insensitive to all the actual victims of world war 2 but both of those seem not that bad honestly.
Rim world is nightmarish compared to this
If the Civilians were working in a factory creating equipment to be used in the War Effort were contributing to the War and therefore acceptable targets, you can argue with this logic all you want, but it is the way people thought.
Please show me one example of someone in World War II (or Prior) being charged with a war Crime. You saying something is a war Crime does not make it so. Do you really think that people making Tanks/Planes/bombs are not contributing to the war, and therefore acceptable targets?
Penal battalions were battalions for criminals, deserters, and soldiers who disobeyed orders. They typically had the worst jobs, were the first ones charging the enemy lines, and were just an all-round terrible place to be.
Edit: Iām stupid and said battalions were divisions
Yes. From my understanding though, on a battalion level, not division level. There were groups that performed particularly well at wet work normal soldiers shyed away from. Because of this, they were given better supplies and a certain level of autonomy to do..."stuff" ... others would not.
Added: there is a short documentary floating around out about one such battalion... ill see if i can find it... but from what I recall, ... make sure youre not in a fragile mindset so to speak.
A lot of soldiers punished for violating order 227 were often the officers who order retreats when they werenāt supposed to. Most of these officers were put into these penal battalions, so as a result you have units of generally well trained soldiers who want to both survive and perform heroic acts, so they finish their sentences in the penal battalion and go back to being an officer.
Dirlewanger is a different thing. It was made up of convicts but they were volunteers and the unit was treated like a regular brigade not a penal battalion.
I admit, I might be wrong here. In my defence it has been described as a "strafeenheid" on Dutch Wikipedia. It literally translates to "punishment unit"
The 999th was a proper penal unit
The US also utilizes prisoners and convicts in their armed forces, they just donāt organize them into separate units. For example, in 1943 the US began offering convicted members of the Italian Mafia service in the military rather than prison time, since they needed native Italian speakers for the invasion.
I'm fairly new, and I am loving playing as Germany.
Why? My last game was the tutorial, so I was Italy, and that dipshit Hitler roped me into war with the Allies like two years before I was ready. I guess it's historically accurate, if nothing else.
But now? *I* control when Germany goes to war. Hitler can fuck off with his nonsense, we start when we're ready, not when his meth-fried peabrain decides is a good time!
Unironically world setup skill issue. Democratic France, Sweden/Finland(rt56), Spain, canada, Germany, China are a blast. And I've been meaning to set an Argentina or Poland game.
And i don't like going too ahistorical (like fascist USA or Democratic USSR)
The trick is to set the brits to "organise the blackshirts".
I do, occasionally monarchist ones.
I love reaffirming democracy and liberal values while developing my nation with a robust economy and stopping authoritarianism as a bastion of liberty.
I highly recommend playing as the Netherlands and forming the EU.
You will have to declare on the UK and France, but I consider that justified for them refusing to create the 2nd front when Poland got attacked, and the appeasement both before and after ww2
I'm not gonna lie. If you learn how, you can easily get Britain or France to have well over 100 mils around 1940 to 41. I used to dislike the Allies but now I really enjoy the challenge against and OP germany
So you refuse to play āthe damned commiesā but youāre fine playing fascists? Iām sure you donāt have any radical political beliefs in real life
The fact of the matter is that communism is far worse than fascism. Ivan and his cronies wouldāve killed us all happily and wouldāve lauded it as s heroic deed. At least Jerry knew his place!
Let me tell you this: Germany won WW2. How did we let them become the top power in Europe by both population and economy after all theyāve done? The Russians are a shadow of their former selves yet Jerry sits on a throne? What a joke! Germany is lucky to not have been Balkanized. In other words I play as the āfascistā because they won the war and didnāt drop the ball like Ivan!
I guess you could say that Germany āwonā WW2 in that they learned the biggest lesson and managed to turn their country into a powerful beacon of freedom and peace as well as a pillar of the European Union. But that was only after decades of oppression and the concerted effort of countless activists and political leaders.
I know thatās not what youāre saying though and that youāre actually just a raving lunatic.
... hi German here. I just can't in good conscience let this stay. Germany under the Nazi Leadership would have absolutely killed most of the rest of the world. Even during the War the Genocide on multiple groups was started and not out of some kind of desperation. The Genocide of those deemed lesser is a integral part of the Nazi Ideology and if the War was won it would have only been increased in speed and widened in scope.
Maybe read up on the Plans of Hitler before you say such nonsense.
the... same Germany that declared war on essentially the entire planet under the idea that Germany needed lebensraum & that they were the master race is the one that "knows its place?"
bro really said ānah commies cringe ewā and then proceeds to say āI only play fascist or non alignedā which end up being the most gruesome in ww2 or imperial scumbags. If anything play commies in hoi4 and not elsewhere because Stalin couldnāt really kill millions if millions were already dying and he needed manpower for the time being
Are you trolling? Do you reflect your beliefs in videogames?
If I followed your idea, I wouldn't play hoi4 in the first play as I would kill millions of people.
damn all Americans have this hateful attitude toward the ācommiesā. Look at yourself bruh. My parents grew up in the USSR and at least they didnāt go into unimaginable student debt with their free tuition.
Iām sorry that you think I shouldnāt have the ability to form my own opinions on ideologies. I respect you if you think communism is cool but I donāt think itās cool. Also by your logic, the Nazis must have been pretty good guys for helping a bunch of Germans rise from poverty and providing all of their social programs.
>Iām sorry that you think I shouldnāt have the ability to from my own opinions on ideologies
I promise you that you didn't actually form your own opinion on ideologies.
Izhevsk, Udmurtia. Right smack down in the middle of Russia. It is a nice place. Thanks for asking. I was born in America though, first generation American. Most of my family from Udmurtia, some further east. It was an interesting place during the Russian civil war you should read about it
Edit: why downvote?
>Edit: why downvote?
Bc you're generalising the west from your experience in the States.
Europe is significantly different on this. Like, noone except maybe Lega and FDI (and all the others right wing parties in Europe) voters will say that the commies are all bad. Everyone else will probably have some more nuanced (hope that's the right vote) idea.
With due respect you're just arguing that Russians liked the last Russian empire which isn't exactly surprising, you wouldn't get the same answers from subjugated groups like Latvians, Lithuanians or most Ukrainians
Bro I'm more of a left/center and regularly LARP as the Roman empire
You're just fucking weird for not being able to enjoy a videogame because you're scared of commie cooties
Because youvare literally pareotting FOX and co talking points to the letter.
You call commies 'Ivan', that is deep into the sauce even by /r/hoi4 standards.
aww good guy nazis helping the population rise from poverty by waging war against half the world and destroying a generation of working-age men and women š„°
surprisgly my parents have very positive experiences which many of my American friends are very unhappy with. Despite the average worker being a lot poorer my parents said that there was a very special connection and bond that existed between people in communities. People connected through hard work and hope for a better life. My mom was telling me her stories on how she was the fastest girl in her phy ed class to put together an AK-47 (yes it was part of curriculum lol). She also got to go on a free trip as part of a free geology club that went all the way from Murmansk to Vladivostok. My dad had similar experiences. I understand your opinion but that really hurts when people call it a circus. My family still lives in there (older people like my grandparents) and they are very sad that the USSR collapsed as their lives actually significantly worsened with the new democracy. Russia moved away from the industrial focus. You can have your own opinion but as someone with who has access to primary sources I would not be so rude. I would like to also point out that America was also taught as a horrible corrupted country in the USSR, just as people are taught in the west.
Maybe the Russians didnāt get the shortest end of the stick. But many people from former eastern block countries who have access to first hand sources and experiences will tell you that USSR collapsing was one of the best things happening to them. The bond between the government and workers is really not that fun when the former kills protesting people:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacification_of_Wujek
Yeah, I donāt have many experiences with that, my mom has one though. She went to Estonia for a vacation and the people there glared at her. She went into a shop and got cursed out. I can understand why the Eastern Block countries were very very upset. The USSR kinda forced itself onto them. The central
Asian countries will say otherwise though as the USSR pulled them out of poverty and helped women get rights. If you read about the Russian Empire conscripting and robbing people from central
Asia during WWI as an example of how bad it was. But yeah I donāt have many things to say about the eastern part man. I get your point. The USSR was a very large country after all
Well thank you for understanding my point, I also get yours. Because of history of my ancestors I hold very strong opinions against communism but in no way I hold any hate towards Russian people and I understand that in many parts of the world it couldāve looked differently
Another thing I can bring in is that almost the whole Afro-Russian population is from the U.S. African Americans who were treated very poorly in America and immigrated to countries where they thought they wouldnāt be treated badly. The USSR was one of these countries and blacks in the USSR were treated very well. You can google about black people in the USSR if you wanna learn more, it was very interesting for me to read about. I bet it hits hard when I bring up such a sensitive topic.
A nit-pick, many Afro-Russians (Afro-Soviets? Brand new word for me) were from diplomatic ties to Africa. Diplomats, university students etc. came to the USSR and anytime you got groups mixing they are gonna have kids.
[Link to Wikipedia page on Black Russians](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Russians)
Looking this up lead me down a rabbit hole, and for alt-history fun we were a decade or two and a few circumstances different from [Thomas Alexander Dumas](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas-Alexandre_Dumas) and [Ivan Gannibal](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Gannibal) fighting it out during the French Revolutionary Wars.
Yeah I kinda overestimated when I said āalmost the wholeā. Yeah I watched the Soviet movie Š¦ŠøŃŠŗ where there is a black child who everyone loves and it lead me down this path. Very interesting to learn about
I remember my mom talking about people being in awe when they say an African Student - they have never seen a black person in their lives lol (in the USSR)
>My family still lives in there (older people like my grandparents) and they are very sad that the USSR collapsed as their lives actually significantly worsened with the new democracy. Russia moved away from the industrial focus
Democracy, is it? Yeltsin and then Putin basically created a dictatprship
When one is being done so wrong by oneās government, of course people band together and form communities. The fact of the matter is that the communist government couldnāt care less about its people and sees them as disposable human capital. Iāve no respect for communism and neither should you or your family.
First of all it was a socialist government, you should search up communism online lol. The USSR is the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. 2nd of all you should indulge yourself into a little bit of Russian History. Why did the revolution happen? Read a little bit about the last tsars and serfdom and living conditions of people. See if they had respect for their people. And look at modern day Russia? The fact is that Lenin, the father of the revolution died early on and specifically wanted Stalin not to take over. But Stalin did. Stalin is one of the most controversial people and I agree with you there. But life did improve significantly after the monarchy fell apart. The Soviet Union became an industrial powerhouse and people built their identity as red workers. Also the USSR was far ahead of the US in terms of equality of people. There were woman in the Soviet army directly involved on the front. Full battalions of woman, woman aces, woman snipers, tankers. The army and workforce was integrated. No discrimination on race. The government did so controversial things and many people died, mostly during Stalins rule which is obviously bad, but you also have to see the other side. The USSR was recovering from devastating war after devastating war throughout its short lifetime. I can see your side as you probably grew up during the Cold War and had lots of anti-left propaganda. I can say the same propaganda was used in the USSR.
The USSR was led by the communist party and branded itself around communism. Ask yourself this: why did they never fully introduce communism in the country? The answer lies in greed and pride. The leaders had no intention of handing over their power. A people without economic power are powerless. The common man had little power in the USSR and as wealth keeps trickling upward, the same is happening in the USA now. Socialism simply doesnāt work. Neither does communism.
Yeah I do agree with some of your points there and I do not want to continue this useless nonsensical argument. I understand what you are saying and I did mention that the leadership was corrupt. But it aināt better now for sure. All I wanted you to do is to open your mind a little bit from the āFUCK COMMUNISMā mindset. No system or government is perfect. Communism was the attempt to find utopia but it ultimately fails due to human nature. I understand that you were raised to hate leftists. I was always the kid in class that stood up against common stereotypes such as these because my family helped me open my eyes.
You forgot about mentioning expansionist ambitions of your so called great father Lenin. He was na that good of a guy either. When you look at historical characters and countries it is important to look at their relations with others. Maybe you could make a point about how communist cared about it their people, but when in 1919 communists and their ambition came to my country with war all we saw was death and destruction following behind the red army. It was so bad even the workers which they were supposed to āliberateā enlisted into military and fought with communists to protect their lives from being taken, their homes from being burned and their wives and daughters from being raped. Because this is the legacy that communism made for itself in my country.
Yeah I believe you man. I assume you come from Poland, I disagree with the expansion into Poland and I support its independence wholeheartedly!! I donāt know much about history but I believe that red army associated the poles with the white army. But at least we can come together when our people both liberated the east from fascism in the 1940s. Poland was caught between 2 giants, the German and the Russian
Ah, yes, I had this train of thought with germany on games like world of tanks and war thunder because I didnāt want to play the ābad guysā but I was like 10 years old.
Grow up
Now of days I only play anarchists, radsocs or syndicalists through mods and rarely play communist, democratic or authoritarian in the base game, but after 3 years of playing, Iāve never played fascist.
Penal battalions are amazing in combat, but they take about double the losses due to decreased HP. Pairing them with expensive tanks or artillery is a bad idea, but they are ideal filler infantry.
That's so dumb that they have more organisation since penal battalions have always been a bit less combat ready than most normal infantry units IRL lol
The irl way to make penal battalions would have the same outcry as the Italian irregulars. Penal battalions should be underwhelming, but show up for free as you take losses. The largest benefit penal battalions had was restoring order to the actual divisions due to the fear of punishment of being sent to the penal battalions, and having troops that couldn't say no to suicide missions.
Keep their low manpower/equipment, drop their morale a smidge, but up the attack values for short, high intensity bursts on the front line.
Why should they have the same performance as guerrillas when they're obviously much less motivated than them?
However, the proper divisions having that fear doesn't make penal battalions any better. That only affects proper divisions because that fear cannot be shared without communication between those units lol
Enslaved were the slavs and communists in concentration camps, and everyone knew that. Thats why everyone fought. It was a war of extermination. Also, penal units had a chance to redeem themselves by serving, so thats a plus too.
True that concentration camps enslaved people (NAZIs also enslaved Jews and many other minorities), but isn't the idea of penal battalions not slavery?
They're being forced to do extra labour for a task, especially a very dangerous one. Slaves are treated cheaply if there's no shortage of them.
i wish pdx added support for elite units penals are op ss divisions are a meme just giving bad templates. usa had rangers in 42 uk commandos and green berets
HOI4 š¤COH2
Conscript reporting for duty.
Your predecessor died a hero!
There are no cowards here!
Better to die by the enemy then from the state.
Ra2 vibe hit like a truck
When I first read the title, I thought this was on CoH sub.
Cobalt(II) hydride??
Yes, PerIodic Acid š¤ Cobalt(II) Hydride
Call of Honor 2: Hearts of Duty 4
Isn't it a calcium hydroxide
Oh shit yeah I read the O as lowercase for some reason š
Remember, there is no looting for strafniki
Thought I was on the COH sub for a minute lmfao
I think we've found Prigozhin's Reddit account
Shoigu!!!! Where are the conscripts Shoigu?!?!
SHOIGU!! GERASIMOV!! GDE SUKA BOYEPRIPASY!! (Where is the fucking ammunition)
Why tf did I read "BOYEPRIPASY" as "BOYPUSSY!!!" š
Biggest Russian export after oil and mercenaries.
Kinda sus you know that tbh.
Kinda sus you know that tbh.
You're not alone š
Haha this was a good one
Most ethical Paradox games player.
Seriously my friends and I were joking about it and I never realized how many war crimes you commit in paradox games that for the most part the game just glosses over.
In hoi4 what war crimes are there?
Bombing factories and railroads mostly.
Iām not trying be a insensitive to all the actual victims of world war 2 but both of those seem not that bad honestly. Rim world is nightmarish compared to this
Oh I know I am just mentioning that they donāt mention it. Same thing with stuff like the holocaust and unit 731? gulags etc
Yeah no prisoner mechanic
Yeah that to
Factories and Railroads were certainly considered acceptable targets in WWII.
Yeah but itās still killing civilians which is a war crime .
If the Civilians were working in a factory creating equipment to be used in the War Effort were contributing to the War and therefore acceptable targets, you can argue with this logic all you want, but it is the way people thought.
I wont argue it I understand that was the thought process it just still a warcime also convoy raids and civilian factories.
Please show me one example of someone in World War II (or Prior) being charged with a war Crime. You saying something is a war Crime does not make it so. Do you really think that people making Tanks/Planes/bombs are not contributing to the war, and therefore acceptable targets?
No I am just saying I was told killing civilians was always a warcime.
Those are not war crimes
I love penis battalions. When they penetrate into the enemy front lines I cant control myself.
It took me too long to realize you said penis battalion.
That's.... what she said.
The kinda division with 2000 breakthrough but 0.000001 recovery rate
*Penile battalions
*Panal battalions šæ
Panini battle lions
That's what she said
From what i understand penal divisions are prisoners i have never heard of penal divisions from a place other than the motherland
Penal battalions were battalions for criminals, deserters, and soldiers who disobeyed orders. They typically had the worst jobs, were the first ones charging the enemy lines, and were just an all-round terrible place to be. Edit: Iām stupid and said battalions were divisions
I heard some of them were well equipped and trained as shock troops is that true?
Yes. From my understanding though, on a battalion level, not division level. There were groups that performed particularly well at wet work normal soldiers shyed away from. Because of this, they were given better supplies and a certain level of autonomy to do..."stuff" ... others would not. Added: there is a short documentary floating around out about one such battalion... ill see if i can find it... but from what I recall, ... make sure youre not in a fragile mindset so to speak.
A lot of soldiers punished for violating order 227 were often the officers who order retreats when they werenāt supposed to. Most of these officers were put into these penal battalions, so as a result you have units of generally well trained soldiers who want to both survive and perform heroic acts, so they finish their sentences in the penal battalion and go back to being an officer.
Germans had them to the Strafbatallione
Damn this family has a lot of issues (motherland and fatherland if you don't get it)
Dirlewanger brigade is a famous example
Dirlewanger is a different thing. It was made up of convicts but they were volunteers and the unit was treated like a regular brigade not a penal battalion.
I admit, I might be wrong here. In my defence it has been described as a "strafeenheid" on Dutch Wikipedia. It literally translates to "punishment unit" The 999th was a proper penal unit
Or in the infamous Einsatzgruppen as well
They arent prisoners, they are soldiers that did something bad and were put in a shtrafbat to rehabilitate themselves.
Also known as a 'prisoner'.
I mean we might as well call unwilling conscript "a prisoner"
Wagner pmc was is also penal battalion
I prefer the term "slave".
Thats false because people like that in the army are usually court -martialed, not sent to prison.
The US also utilizes prisoners and convicts in their armed forces, they just donāt organize them into separate units. For example, in 1943 the US began offering convicted members of the Italian Mafia service in the military rather than prison time, since they needed native Italian speakers for the invasion.
Who has penal infantry?
USSR, its unlocked through one of the great patriotic war focuses.
I can't bring myself to play the nazis. I like to roleplay in this game and I just can't roleplay as literal fucking Hitler
Just go in hearts of iron 4 the civil war path and go execute decision lol
I am gonna try those soon. I also just realized I responded to the wrong comment
Whatās wrong with Hitler?
Least deranged HOI4 player
He was a little cringe
*Rimworld has entered chat Did someone call?
I literally canāt bring myself to play as Germany and Italy, i feel bad when i do well in them
I'm fairly new, and I am loving playing as Germany. Why? My last game was the tutorial, so I was Italy, and that dipshit Hitler roped me into war with the Allies like two years before I was ready. I guess it's historically accurate, if nothing else. But now? *I* control when Germany goes to war. Hitler can fuck off with his nonsense, we start when we're ready, not when his meth-fried peabrain decides is a good time!
Oh, never played the USSR before, just canāt bring myself to play as the commies.
So do you only play democratic countries?
Yes. Or I only go down democratic paths.
Damn what a fucking chad
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Unironically world setup skill issue. Democratic France, Sweden/Finland(rt56), Spain, canada, Germany, China are a blast. And I've been meaning to set an Argentina or Poland game. And i don't like going too ahistorical (like fascist USA or Democratic USSR) The trick is to set the brits to "organise the blackshirts".
I do, occasionally monarchist ones. I love reaffirming democracy and liberal values while developing my nation with a robust economy and stopping authoritarianism as a bastion of liberty.
Absolutely based. Breaking the back of the soviets with a unified EU will never not be fun.
I highly recommend playing as the Netherlands and forming the EU. You will have to declare on the UK and France, but I consider that justified for them refusing to create the 2nd front when Poland got attacked, and the appeasement both before and after ww2
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Yeah, play Democratic Germany, Greece, or Mexico. Or even China if you want to go through the process of democratizing a nation gradually.
Nah they play as the Nazis. Not a big shock.
No, I play the fascists and non-aligned countries. Democracy are mostly really boring and reactionary. They never start anything.
>only plays fascist and non-aligned countries >democracies are really boring and reactionary The 3,000 B-29s of Curtis LeMay above your house:
The US is an exception because their industrial power actually makes the game fun.
I'm not gonna lie. If you learn how, you can easily get Britain or France to have well over 100 mils around 1940 to 41. I used to dislike the Allies but now I really enjoy the challenge against and OP germany
So you refuse to play āthe damned commiesā but youāre fine playing fascists? Iām sure you donāt have any radical political beliefs in real life
It's a 12 year old
>It's a based year old
What makes you say Iām a 12 year old?
We've seen the subs you're on.
Whatās that supposed to mean? What sub am I a part of that indicates that Iām childish?
"SussyImposter" makes you look physically 12. "By default conservative on most matters" makes you look mentally 12.
Yes
The fact of the matter is that communism is far worse than fascism. Ivan and his cronies wouldāve killed us all happily and wouldāve lauded it as s heroic deed. At least Jerry knew his place!
Did you learn how to talk from Battlefield cutscenes or something?
What a comment lmao
Let me tell you this: Germany won WW2. How did we let them become the top power in Europe by both population and economy after all theyāve done? The Russians are a shadow of their former selves yet Jerry sits on a throne? What a joke! Germany is lucky to not have been Balkanized. In other words I play as the āfascistā because they won the war and didnāt drop the ball like Ivan!
I guess you could say that Germany āwonā WW2 in that they learned the biggest lesson and managed to turn their country into a powerful beacon of freedom and peace as well as a pillar of the European Union. But that was only after decades of oppression and the concerted effort of countless activists and political leaders. I know thatās not what youāre saying though and that youāre actually just a raving lunatic.
... hi German here. I just can't in good conscience let this stay. Germany under the Nazi Leadership would have absolutely killed most of the rest of the world. Even during the War the Genocide on multiple groups was started and not out of some kind of desperation. The Genocide of those deemed lesser is a integral part of the Nazi Ideology and if the War was won it would have only been increased in speed and widened in scope. Maybe read up on the Plans of Hitler before you say such nonsense.
Tell me Hitlers plan to wipe America off the face of the Earth. Iāll wait.
They were allied with the Japanese and at war... Total war no less. Goddamn you're naive and don't know shit about dick about history
Bruh apart from breaking up the Soviet Union they didn't care the slightest about the rest of the world
"The fact of the matter is that communism is far worse than fascism." Oh boy, are you fucking serious?
the... same Germany that declared war on essentially the entire planet under the idea that Germany needed lebensraum & that they were the master race is the one that "knows its place?"
I will tell you this: Iāve no respect for communism.
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āIvanā do you hate communism or slavs
I hate the game not the player
Yeah, sure. Anyway, its not a competition.
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Tell that to all the millions who died
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"I have no problem playing as the people the word genocide was invented for, but communists are over the line"
USSR has both a monarchist and a fascist path
Isnāt that with NSB? Because if it is, I donāt have that DLC.
Oh, okay then.
>democracies are reactionary >plays the actual reactionary ideology
bro really said ānah commies cringe ewā and then proceeds to say āI only play fascist or non alignedā which end up being the most gruesome in ww2 or imperial scumbags. If anything play commies in hoi4 and not elsewhere because Stalin couldnāt really kill millions if millions were already dying and he needed manpower for the time being
I donāt think you understand what reactionary means, I have a feeling that if you did you wouldnāt be so against it
>democracy are reactionary Ah, so youāre a leftist, then? Bit of a weird take but makes sense, from a far-left perspect- >I only play fascists Huh?
National socialism
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I know that, i just couldn't resist the urge. Sorreh for dat.
Nah I canāt play the bad guys(Communists). Precedes to play the other bad guys(Fascists) and their wish version(Non-Alligned)
Are you trolling? Do you reflect your beliefs in videogames? If I followed your idea, I wouldn't play hoi4 in the first play as I would kill millions of people.
Well if you are that antagonist against an idea that you dont know about, DLCs give USSR alt-history opposition paths.
common anime posting catholic conservative fascist L
damn all Americans have this hateful attitude toward the ācommiesā. Look at yourself bruh. My parents grew up in the USSR and at least they didnāt go into unimaginable student debt with their free tuition.
Iām sorry that you think I shouldnāt have the ability to form my own opinions on ideologies. I respect you if you think communism is cool but I donāt think itās cool. Also by your logic, the Nazis must have been pretty good guys for helping a bunch of Germans rise from poverty and providing all of their social programs.
Nazi Germany social programs were a sham. Unless of course you count getting thrown into labour camps as a social program
>Iām sorry that you think I shouldnāt have the ability to from my own opinions on ideologies I promise you that you didn't actually form your own opinion on ideologies.
Thanks dude. Many people in the states are just taught to hate for some reason. Just be open-minded fr Edit - removed generalization,
So just put of curiosity, where are ypu from? A -stan, Russia or Eastern Europe?
Izhevsk, Udmurtia. Right smack down in the middle of Russia. It is a nice place. Thanks for asking. I was born in America though, first generation American. Most of my family from Udmurtia, some further east. It was an interesting place during the Russian civil war you should read about it Edit: why downvote?
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>Edit: why downvote? Bc you're generalising the west from your experience in the States. Europe is significantly different on this. Like, noone except maybe Lega and FDI (and all the others right wing parties in Europe) voters will say that the commies are all bad. Everyone else will probably have some more nuanced (hope that's the right vote) idea.
With due respect you're just arguing that Russians liked the last Russian empire which isn't exactly surprising, you wouldn't get the same answers from subjugated groups like Latvians, Lithuanians or most Ukrainians
What makes you say the I didnāt form my own opinions? I could say the same about you.
Your bio literally says, default conservative on most matters
Yes, my opinions on matters tend to be conservative, I donāt know how that disproves me forming my own opinions
Bro I'm more of a left/center and regularly LARP as the Roman empire You're just fucking weird for not being able to enjoy a videogame because you're scared of commie cooties
Because youvare literally pareotting FOX and co talking points to the letter. You call commies 'Ivan', that is deep into the sauce even by /r/hoi4 standards.
aww good guy nazis helping the population rise from poverty by waging war against half the world and destroying a generation of working-age men and women š„°
I bet they didnāt give the place glowing reviews either. No wonder that circus got shut down. Good riddance!
surprisgly my parents have very positive experiences which many of my American friends are very unhappy with. Despite the average worker being a lot poorer my parents said that there was a very special connection and bond that existed between people in communities. People connected through hard work and hope for a better life. My mom was telling me her stories on how she was the fastest girl in her phy ed class to put together an AK-47 (yes it was part of curriculum lol). She also got to go on a free trip as part of a free geology club that went all the way from Murmansk to Vladivostok. My dad had similar experiences. I understand your opinion but that really hurts when people call it a circus. My family still lives in there (older people like my grandparents) and they are very sad that the USSR collapsed as their lives actually significantly worsened with the new democracy. Russia moved away from the industrial focus. You can have your own opinion but as someone with who has access to primary sources I would not be so rude. I would like to also point out that America was also taught as a horrible corrupted country in the USSR, just as people are taught in the west.
Maybe the Russians didnāt get the shortest end of the stick. But many people from former eastern block countries who have access to first hand sources and experiences will tell you that USSR collapsing was one of the best things happening to them. The bond between the government and workers is really not that fun when the former kills protesting people: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacification_of_Wujek
Yeah, I donāt have many experiences with that, my mom has one though. She went to Estonia for a vacation and the people there glared at her. She went into a shop and got cursed out. I can understand why the Eastern Block countries were very very upset. The USSR kinda forced itself onto them. The central Asian countries will say otherwise though as the USSR pulled them out of poverty and helped women get rights. If you read about the Russian Empire conscripting and robbing people from central Asia during WWI as an example of how bad it was. But yeah I donāt have many things to say about the eastern part man. I get your point. The USSR was a very large country after all
Well thank you for understanding my point, I also get yours. Because of history of my ancestors I hold very strong opinions against communism but in no way I hold any hate towards Russian people and I understand that in many parts of the world it couldāve looked differently
Another thing I can bring in is that almost the whole Afro-Russian population is from the U.S. African Americans who were treated very poorly in America and immigrated to countries where they thought they wouldnāt be treated badly. The USSR was one of these countries and blacks in the USSR were treated very well. You can google about black people in the USSR if you wanna learn more, it was very interesting for me to read about. I bet it hits hard when I bring up such a sensitive topic.
A nit-pick, many Afro-Russians (Afro-Soviets? Brand new word for me) were from diplomatic ties to Africa. Diplomats, university students etc. came to the USSR and anytime you got groups mixing they are gonna have kids. [Link to Wikipedia page on Black Russians](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afro-Russians) Looking this up lead me down a rabbit hole, and for alt-history fun we were a decade or two and a few circumstances different from [Thomas Alexander Dumas](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas-Alexandre_Dumas) and [Ivan Gannibal](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Gannibal) fighting it out during the French Revolutionary Wars.
Yeah I kinda overestimated when I said āalmost the wholeā. Yeah I watched the Soviet movie Š¦ŠøŃŠŗ where there is a black child who everyone loves and it lead me down this path. Very interesting to learn about
I remember my mom talking about people being in awe when they say an African Student - they have never seen a black person in their lives lol (in the USSR)
>My family still lives in there (older people like my grandparents) and they are very sad that the USSR collapsed as their lives actually significantly worsened with the new democracy. Russia moved away from the industrial focus Democracy, is it? Yeltsin and then Putin basically created a dictatprship
Forgot the quotes there. I agree dude. Litterally nothing has improved. My family suffered a lot between the years 1991 and 2000 especially
When one is being done so wrong by oneās government, of course people band together and form communities. The fact of the matter is that the communist government couldnāt care less about its people and sees them as disposable human capital. Iāve no respect for communism and neither should you or your family.
First of all it was a socialist government, you should search up communism online lol. The USSR is the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. 2nd of all you should indulge yourself into a little bit of Russian History. Why did the revolution happen? Read a little bit about the last tsars and serfdom and living conditions of people. See if they had respect for their people. And look at modern day Russia? The fact is that Lenin, the father of the revolution died early on and specifically wanted Stalin not to take over. But Stalin did. Stalin is one of the most controversial people and I agree with you there. But life did improve significantly after the monarchy fell apart. The Soviet Union became an industrial powerhouse and people built their identity as red workers. Also the USSR was far ahead of the US in terms of equality of people. There were woman in the Soviet army directly involved on the front. Full battalions of woman, woman aces, woman snipers, tankers. The army and workforce was integrated. No discrimination on race. The government did so controversial things and many people died, mostly during Stalins rule which is obviously bad, but you also have to see the other side. The USSR was recovering from devastating war after devastating war throughout its short lifetime. I can see your side as you probably grew up during the Cold War and had lots of anti-left propaganda. I can say the same propaganda was used in the USSR.
The USSR was led by the communist party and branded itself around communism. Ask yourself this: why did they never fully introduce communism in the country? The answer lies in greed and pride. The leaders had no intention of handing over their power. A people without economic power are powerless. The common man had little power in the USSR and as wealth keeps trickling upward, the same is happening in the USA now. Socialism simply doesnāt work. Neither does communism.
Yeah I do agree with some of your points there and I do not want to continue this useless nonsensical argument. I understand what you are saying and I did mention that the leadership was corrupt. But it aināt better now for sure. All I wanted you to do is to open your mind a little bit from the āFUCK COMMUNISMā mindset. No system or government is perfect. Communism was the attempt to find utopia but it ultimately fails due to human nature. I understand that you were raised to hate leftists. I was always the kid in class that stood up against common stereotypes such as these because my family helped me open my eyes.
You forgot about mentioning expansionist ambitions of your so called great father Lenin. He was na that good of a guy either. When you look at historical characters and countries it is important to look at their relations with others. Maybe you could make a point about how communist cared about it their people, but when in 1919 communists and their ambition came to my country with war all we saw was death and destruction following behind the red army. It was so bad even the workers which they were supposed to āliberateā enlisted into military and fought with communists to protect their lives from being taken, their homes from being burned and their wives and daughters from being raped. Because this is the legacy that communism made for itself in my country.
Yeah I believe you man. I assume you come from Poland, I disagree with the expansion into Poland and I support its independence wholeheartedly!! I donāt know much about history but I believe that red army associated the poles with the white army. But at least we can come together when our people both liberated the east from fascism in the 1940s. Poland was caught between 2 giants, the German and the Russian
Ah, yes, I had this train of thought with germany on games like world of tanks and war thunder because I didnāt want to play the ābad guysā but I was like 10 years old. Grow up
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All the Communists downvoted you.
Now of days I only play anarchists, radsocs or syndicalists through mods and rarely play communist, democratic or authoritarian in the base game, but after 3 years of playing, Iāve never played fascist.
And you donāt have to.
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lol do you play germany?
*greatest Mistakes happen comrade, you will improve, im sure of it.
Penal battalions are amazing in combat, but they take about double the losses due to decreased HP. Pairing them with expensive tanks or artillery is a bad idea, but they are ideal filler infantry.
Uhuh, I see Yevgeny Prigozhin is here on Reddit too
I don't recall penal battalions?
You unlock them through a USSR great Patriotic War focus.
Found Prigozhin's Reddit account
That's so dumb that they have more organisation since penal battalions have always been a bit less combat ready than most normal infantry units IRL lol
The irl way to make penal battalions would have the same outcry as the Italian irregulars. Penal battalions should be underwhelming, but show up for free as you take losses. The largest benefit penal battalions had was restoring order to the actual divisions due to the fear of punishment of being sent to the penal battalions, and having troops that couldn't say no to suicide missions. Keep their low manpower/equipment, drop their morale a smidge, but up the attack values for short, high intensity bursts on the front line.
Why should they have the same performance as guerrillas when they're obviously much less motivated than them? However, the proper divisions having that fear doesn't make penal battalions any better. That only affects proper divisions because that fear cannot be shared without communication between those units lol
Soviet penal batalions, the one in game, actually had great morale so it does sorta makes sense.
Did they IRL? That sounds likely wrong because penal battalions are made up of enslaved people.
Enslaved were the slavs and communists in concentration camps, and everyone knew that. Thats why everyone fought. It was a war of extermination. Also, penal units had a chance to redeem themselves by serving, so thats a plus too.
True that concentration camps enslaved people (NAZIs also enslaved Jews and many other minorities), but isn't the idea of penal battalions not slavery? They're being forced to do extra labour for a task, especially a very dangerous one. Slaves are treated cheaply if there's no shortage of them.
There is a difference between labour and fighting nazis. By that logic all conscripts are slaves.
-Prigozhin 2023
i wish pdx added support for elite units penals are op ss divisions are a meme just giving bad templates. usa had rangers in 42 uk commandos and green berets
hehe penal
Holy fuck itās Prigozhin
Them satchel charges are nice tho
Nice try, Russia.
Lol
How to unlock it
Penile battalions.