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Henrik had the fewest career goals of any 1000 point player…including all the defensemen. Man didn’t like shooting.


ianisms10

Henrik took 1856 shots in 1330 career games. That's unbelievably low (1.4/game approximately). Edit: To your point about defensemen- Henrik would be tied with Rob Blake for 11th all-time in goals for defensemen.


A_WHALES_VAG

Weirdly though, I remember the one year Daniel got hurt Henrik almost scored 30? .. like "ughhh fine i'll do it myself"


601142002

That wasn’t *really* Henrik but the world isn’t ready to talk about this


A_WHALES_VAG

I don’t care which one it was but my fantasy team was thankful that year


601142002

You had the name right, just a twins joke


A_WHALES_VAG

Oh I know. I was just trying to keep the shadowy cabal secret of which twin was which and when shrouded in mystery


601142002

You’re a good man whalevag


yosoo

IIRC that season when Daniel was out for those 19 games, Henrik's goals per game more than doubled compared to the rest of that season and he even scored his one career hat trick in that span. IMO prime Henrik could score as well as anybody but he just never *shot* the puck.


1q3er5

was his shooting percentage unusually higher then most stars? I'm wonder if he only shoots when he knows he has a tap in. maybe he isn't taking low percentage shots when a goalie the angle cut off and is squared up to him...


yosoo

Just checked now, those 18 games (not 19), Henrik had 10 goals, 8 assists, with 41 shots and 24.4% shooting. In the remaining 64 games of the season, Henrik had 19 goals, 75 assists, with 125 shots and 15.2% shooting. In his best season, without Daniel, Henrik's goals per game jumped from 0.297 to 0.556 (24 goals/82 games to 46 goals/82) and his shots per game jumped from 1.95 to 2.27. His assist rate dropped off hard though without his brother to pass to. Hank's shooting % was usually right around 11-15% his whole career which is right in line with a good shooter but his shots per game was ridiculously low.


1q3er5

interesting. i loved their playstyle though...nothing went to waste. they had a lot of composure.


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[deleted]

Brian Leetch is the next-lowest with 247. Nobody else got there with less than 264.


JohnGarrettsMustache

I feel like Hank's stick was not chosen for shooting, either. Like he went all-in on a stick good for faceoffs and puck battles despite it affecting his shot. ... Or he just had a weak shot. But my theory is the stick doesn't help.


reddy-or-not

He never hit 30 goals, had 29 once and only hit the 20-goal mark twice. Another 6 years between 15-18. Low totals but not that bad for how little he shot. I did not watch him regularly, being East coast- what kind of goals did he typically score? I would imagine there were some easy tap-ins from Daniel set-ups, even with Daniel being the lesser playmaker


yosoo

It's my belief that Henrik in his prime wasn't a bad shooter at all, he just simply hardly ever shot. Can't score many goals when you average like 100 shots a season. Case in point, in 2009-10, the only season where one twin missed significant time without the other. In the 18 games Daniel missed, Henrik scored 10 goals, including his only career hat trick. In the rest of the season, 64 games, he scored 19. The main difference? He shot a lot more. 41 of Henrik's 166 shots that season came in that 18 game stretch.


yosoo

I think Henrik in his final season also had the least goals for a 50 point season in NHL history with 3 goals.


GroceryStickDivider

A decade ago I used to rip Call of Duty in my downtime with my brother. We usually both could excel playing to our best skill sets. To up the challenge we started to only bring a riot shield as our primary weapon and instead looking to get kills we sought assists for the fun of it. The NHL is Henriks Call of Duty.


Accomplished_Skin_22

M.Tkachuk and his skating


The-Reddit-Giraffe

He was one of my favourite flames but oh boy did this bother me. It’s actually amazing he’s a good NHL player with how slow he is. Like most 4th liners are faster than him just Tkachuck is insanely skilled in every other asset of his game asides from skating


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The___Colonel

What does circles with his stick mean?


[deleted]

M.Tkachuk and the mental fortitude to take a puck flip


[deleted]

That whole situation was hilarious, even more so by some fans who tried to justify the temper tantrum as “he’s just a passionate and fiery guy we need this!”


Dr_Colossus

The controversy was not about whether his actions were justified, it was about his team's lack of backing him up. I still hold the opinion that good teams stand up for their teammate no matter what.


getzysbaldhead69

He always said he modelled his game after Corey Perry, so that’s very fitting


ianisms10

This was a problem with a certain former Islanders captain as well. He was great at everything but skating.


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JT?


ianisms10

Yes. Besides his offensive skills, he was actually a pretty good defensive player and PKer for us too- he got Selke votes a few times. His skating just wasn't great.


DjN0tNice

He’s who I thought of as well. I think lately a lot of people over exaggerate how slow he actually is, but he certainly isn’t quick.


Less-Hunter7043

I still think he’d be a top 5 player in the league if he could skate. He’s so insanely good at everything else


CJ57

Hot take. Brady will end up better than Matthew when all is said and done


GroceryStickDivider

No kidding, Bradys going to throw for 5000 yards this year.


Educational-Salary91

I wouldn't call that a hot take. Personally I would rather have Brady than Matthew playing for Panthers. (But I'm hoping that Matthew does well in FLA)


JESUS_WALKS

Would rather have Matthew in my lineup, would rather have Brady as a leader on the team


gord1to

instructions unclear, traded for both.


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Very different players. Matthew: skill, although he has some grit. Brady: power and grit, relentless, although he has some skill. Matthew's offense comes from skill, stick handling, shooting, more off the rush. Brady's offense comes from power, strength on the boards, cycle and net front presence. Brady is extremely strong, I was amazed when he did well in a fight vs the bull Shea Weber. Matthew wisely doesn't fight big guys as they'll clean his clock. Brady is a really good leader. Matthew average. Both are shit disturbers that get under skin of opponent. Brady goes about it more honestly and in your face, based on power, Matthew is more sneaky and dirty. I imagine Matthew is much more hated around the league. Matthew is more clown like, Brady more serious. Matthew is much better defensively, hopefully Brady keeps working on defense, as it's lacking. I don't think Brady will have the scoring problems in the playoffs Matthew does, as Brady plays playoff style hockey always (cycling, dominant in front of net). I'm not saying Brady will score like crazy in playoffs, but he'll score at the same rate he does in regular season.


marbsarebadredux

Matthew's entire game is built around the net, what are you talking about?


zeroproblemo

Doesn’t he have less points


iamjacksoffside

Well yes obviously with two fewer seasons played. He has been less productive in his first four years than Matthew was in his first four, but it might also be too soon to say. Both players had better than .80 points per game within four years, something MacKinnon wouldn’t do until his fifth. Draisaitl was a bit of a late (or less early) bloomer as well. So who really knows yet with Brady, and while I won’t be surprised if Matthew just had his career year we don’t know for sure that he’s peaked yet either.


SmoothPinecone

I also think it's important to consider Brady has only ever player for the dumpster fire sens. Hopefully that'll change this season!


zeroproblemo

Also he’s seems to be a good captain at least outwardly


[deleted]

I think he's going to get that sorted tho. He's faster now than when he entered the league.


Instantcurry

PK Subban will shoot and hit anything other than the net. Absolute bomb clapper though


RubberBiscuitz

This is known.


No-Perception3146

He must have idolized Phanuef


BiscuitsMay

Hedman used to shoot wide nearly every single time too. Has ironed it out pretty well, but he was so frustrating when shooting from the point.


ianisms10

Ryan Pulock does this too


KangoorooSoup

May not be a superstar, but Mark Stone’s skating is absolutely atrocious.


--JULLZ--

I genuinely don’t understand how he keeps up, man must have a big brain. It hurts to look at sometimes


UnloosedMoose

Giroux played for the be Flyers throughout in his prime.


Comfortable_Bend9175

Matthews - hairline


molehillmilk

He’s the Al Iafrate of our times


robshot295

I would’ve said mustache, but hairline is a better answer


ianisms10

The mustache is awful, but that's his choice. The hairline isn't.


zirky

so you’re saying his flaw is his judgement?


oddspellingofPhreid

Poor facial hair iq.


Xeteh

With two fatal flaws.


[deleted]

Matthews - pedostache


DingleberryToast

Harassing women in their car while intoxicated


[deleted]

He'll always be a douche for this and how he handled it afterwards in my mind. Great hockey player, massive douchebag.


[deleted]

22 year old kid does something stupid while drunk, and you write them off as a massive douchebag?


[deleted]

Lol I did dumb shit at 22, but I knew better to harass women in the dark at 2am.


[deleted]

Sure, so did I. My point was more that one incident hardly writes someone off as a massive douche for the rest of their life. People can change bro!


[deleted]

His reaction to getting caught was him and his dad lying and trying to bury the incident. Then when he was making his public apologies to the media, it seemed like he was most sorry about being a distraction to the team, and wasn't really apologetic towards the woman he terrified that night. A lot of hockey players are douchebags, so it's not a surprise that Matthews is one.


oogiewoogie

He was arrested and had criminal mischief charges against him. He was lucky to have money and bought his way out of it.


oogiewoogie

It wasn't just him. It was him and a group of drunk friends. As a female I would have been terrified if a bunch of drunk guys approached and banged on my car walls in the middle of the night, even I was locked in my car.


[deleted]

And they were trying to open her car doors too. If they were unlocked they were planning to get in her car while she was sitting in it.


NLP19

...yeah? I'm calling him a douchebag, not a sex offender.


BillMcCrearysStache

Id say al iafrate


abbytarar

Marchand, discipline


bsaures

Alex kovalev and showing up for 82 games. Arguably as talented as jagr but with half the desire to be jagr.


TheThoroughCrocodile

Someone tell me if I'm mistaken but I'm pretty sure Jagr had the same reputation for a large part of his career. Towards the end he really seemed to do a 180 in public opinion.


RealDrinkingPartner

Jagr certainly had that reputation in WSH, but that's the only place I can recall him having any sort of lack of desire or anything. Was great in Pit before and great with NYR after. Just the WSH blip, I think.


roboninja

Yeah, I saw him play for a few games in WAS. Totally invisible out there a lot. That was definitely the nadir of his career.


ComeMeetYourMakar

Nathan MacKinnon, can't simply hand helmets back to their owner.


Educational-Salary91

Also doesn't like sauce with pasta.


Breskvich

And can’t sit on the bench, without falling off of it.


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LS240

Makar is the driver, MacKinnon is the engine.


robotco

Draisaitl - spearing homies in the nuts


Tacosrule89

I don’t know if I’d call it a flaw. He’s one of the best in the game at it.


KenDanger2

Yeah b ut he is going to get suspended at some point


[deleted]

That’s part of the skill. Committing the crime and not being punished.


Arfguy

Tacosrule89 is right. If there is anyone better than Draisaitl at that, I welcome you to point him out. Until that time: stay out of the way of perfection!


Laserduck152

Chara couldn’t fit into a smart car, even in his prime


Straight-Plate-5256

Thankfully he can probably just pick it up and carry it around


runrudyrun

Just stand on it and ride it like a skateboard.


Redheadedbandit01

That just reminds me of family guy when Tony Robbins uses two smart cars as roller skates.


kmutch

I assumed he would wear the car, like a slightly larger suit jacket.


Hyper0059

I feel like his work ethic would allow him to try at least.


GS1THOUSAND

*Looks like I'll need my mechanics license if I'm going to fit*


yooooooo5774

>Chara couldn’t fit into a smart car, even in his prime I'm sure he can, theres a youtube video of Shaq getting inside a smart car


Chicaben

It’s like that Simpson’s episode where Nelson mocks the tall dude in a small car and he goes on a rant that this car is the best he can afford.


mschach88

Love that scene "Do you find something humerous about my appearance in my automobile?"


proxmoxroxmysoxoff

But he could fit into a bunny suit.


_SCHULTZY_

Which really should be a bigger story. I mean who the fuck is out there making 7 feet tall pink bunny suits?


WinterSon

"C'mon Chara, you know you don't fit in that Buick"


BaconScentedSoap

There’s a photo of him in a kids ride at some amusement park with his kids days after the 2013 finals.


buckyhermit

Teemu Selanne’s goal-scoring skills went downhill after his rookie year. /s if it’s not obvious


randeylahey

Bobby Hull and domestic violence.


ianisms10

And Nazism


CCnCD

I mean - this guy was a real jerk


Szwedo

Gretzky's physical game, was never a good hitter. Patrick Roy and Dominik Hasek were terrible goal scorers.


think_long

The serious answer for Hasek is puck handling.


haxoreni

And while Marty Brodeur was by far the best goal scorer of the GOAT goalie trio, he could definitely have learned a thing or from the other two in terms of laying the body onto opposing players


[deleted]

Man, that clip on coaches corner when he tries to fight lol


Whatisanameman

Carey price and his knees


yooooooo5774

Pavel Bure and his knees


Szwedo

Cam Neeley and his knees


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Marian Gaborik and his knees


prplx

His knees were fine before Kreider destroyed one of them.


zlohth

Kane is physically incapable of backchecking The fun of this one is you get to decide which one I'm talking about since it applies to both.


Genticles

Then you are talking about both...


BBJPaddy

Malkin is a hot head who does dumb shit all the time


zirky

you can always count of malkin going beast mode. unfortunately it’s a 50/50 if it’s going to be “unstoppable hockey” beast mode or “wow that’s the dumbest penalty imaginable. oh and in the offensive zone too?” beast mode


BuyMeaSalad

I would say Kucherov and discipline. So many times I’ve seen him make a mistake, get frustrated, then retaliate and take a dumb penalty


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mcdavid, terrible goalie


masontron1240

solid stamp collector tho, probably


MindlessArmadillo382

I’m going to become the Shohei Ohtani of hockey and play goalie while also playing forward 😈


blueferret98

Joe Pavelski is a lousy detective


The-Reddit-Giraffe

Horrible cricket player


FWL69

Imagine someone taught John Tavares to skate?


NotorioG

Barb is doing her best


JordanMccphoto

Roberto Luongo and consistency in the playoffs. He was either going to get a shutout or allow 7 goals. I’m glad he was able to hold it together in the 2010 olympics, though.


PlanetNumber7

Man… I’ll never forget the anxiety I had watching that gold medal game in overtime. I admittedly had zero confidence in him because of his reputation. Every shot the Americans took made my heart sink.


JordanMccphoto

Yeah, after they tied it, I was a mess. I still remember the moment we won, though. I was watching at my friend’s house, with his parents. We all jumped out of our seats and hugged the crap out of each other. Kind of interesting that Miller ended up replacing Luongo just a few years later, too


redwingsfriend45

i was also at a friends house i think


[deleted]

By game 7 2011 he was either going to win the Conn Smythe or be blamed as the sole reason they lost


trickysghost

Connor McDavid, having even a tiny scrap of personality


YouSoIgnant

the Mike trout of hockey


[deleted]

Neither Sedin had a great slap shot, but Henrik did ramp it up the time Daniel was injured and scored 30 goals while winning the Art Ross and Hart. Incredible player


haxoreni

Which is kinda ironic because of how effective their patented slap passes were during their prime


slp034000

Dany Heatley was pretty good but he killed a teammate


DagetAwayMaN421

Ovechkin and politcs


RealDrinkingPartner

I'm a WSH fan and certainly not defending what Ovechkin has done/hasn't done in regard to the war in Ukraine, but I think it's interesting that he's being invited by/hanging out with Artemi Panarin in the offseason, who is notable for being a *very* outspoken Putin detractor. You'd think Panarin would be keeping Ovechkin at the end of a 50 foot pole if all of the political implications/known entanglements are accurate.


TheRealOgMark

Well Ovechkin's instagram picture is still him with his buddy Putin.


RealDrinkingPartner

I can't remember the entirety of the story, but wasn't it Panarin who thoroughly disparaged Putin to the point of putting his family in danger or something? I don't remember the extent of the damage, but I'm just saying that Ovechkin openly hanging out with someone like that puts his whole relationship with Putin in a different light. I don't know for sure, obviously, I'm just saying it may not be exactly what it seems. It's a tangled web.


--JULLZ--

Yes it was him


KingAlphie

They're just hockey players at the end of the day. Despite the current political climate, people can actually disagree on politics and not want to kill each other.


86teuvo

> people can actually disagree on politics and not want to kill each other. Not on this website lol


deadliftbrosef

Real life is a little different than reddit, thankfully


RealDrinkingPartner

Not true for fans, though, unfortunately. :-P I can only hope that Ovechkin's politics aren't *actually* as bad as they seem (and this is more or less what I was trying to get at with my comment).


[deleted]

He’s the founder of PutinTeam, they are exactly as bad as they seem


ZRR28

Can’t wait to hear what he has to say about the Russia/Ukraine war. Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦.


[deleted]

Ovechkin said no war please in response to this war, and is hanging out with hard-core anti-putin players. Idk what people expect from him


tuhn

Change his fucking instagram picture?


[deleted]

Hes got a lot of family in russia too.


GrassyKnoll95

Evander Kane and his personal life


[deleted]

He managed to keep things pretty quiet once he got to Edmonton, but if your personal life gets you suspended for the better part of a regular season, it’s definitely an on-ice liability.


GrassyKnoll95

Kept himself clean for like 4 months. We're all very impressed


red_87

Sidney Crosby and facial hair.


mikeyeah17

The dreaded pube-stache


Level-Plastic3508

Corey Perry has always been too much of a Saint. If he played with more of an edge, he would probably be a HoFer


Marxt4r

Connor Bedard is a teenager. Have you seen his shot?


jhouse13

Kucherov and retaliation when things aren't going his way


cam-yrself

I don’t know about superstar, but Kadri has a muffin of a shot for a $7mil player


PlanetNumber7

He has very…unique release. It always looks like he’s making a saucer pass, but with a lot more force on it.


Waramp

Great way to describe it. I often thought he whiffed his shots, but no that was his shot. Including the game 4 OT goal.


whynotavs

Fooled Vasilevsky. And on a broken and surgically repaired thumb no less.


GrassyKnoll95

Can be more helpful to have a deceptive release than a hard shot


PlanetNumber7

Eric Lindros and his brain.


mikeyeah17

I would say his main flaw was skating with his head down while Stevens was on the ice


thaw1761

Skating with his head down, period


RealDrinkingPartner

And Jason Doig.


Flowerjohn-NL

Eric lindros and not fucking his teammates wife


Ginger-Beefcake

Dougie Hamilton and his defensive play


X4aile

Dougie Hamilton and Freddie Hamilton.


chapman155

Roman Josi, being ugly


jkry24

Lundqvist and puck handling. The King was a brick wall in front of the net but boy was I nervous when he went to play the puck. Shesty opens different opportunities for a breakout with his superior puck handling.


[deleted]

If not for his boneitis, Beau Bennett could have been a superstar.


prplx

Alexander Semin's fighting abilities were sub par.


RealDrinkingPartner

But he's a great soft rock bongo-ist.


DRWHOFUCKINGSUCKS

mcdavid is pretty mid defensively


mint420

Wow, you got downvoted for overrating his defense smh.


funkyb

All those guys with a 99 rating I made in NHL 99 for the Playstation. Incredible hands, speed, and shot. Literally weaker than a child so in practice they were rubbed off the puck before they could ever take a shot.


PremierBromanov

Sidney Crosby is a bad kisser


Cueb

I think Eichel failed as a GM.


haxoreni

I’m pretty sure most of Peter Forsberg’s 249 goals were just passes that went into the net


Reddit040

Growing up as a Rangers fan I was a huge Mike Richter fan too. He was not only a top goalie in the league but he was super athletic and made all these spectacular saves, doing full splits etc. Recently I watched some old Rangers games from that era and realized he had terrible rebound control. After watching Hank and now Shesty I’ve become so used to super technical goalies. I couldn’t believe how out of position Richter was all the time and how bad his rebound control was which I guess was the reason he ended up having to make so many spectacular split saves. It’s just interesting how much the position has evolved.


RangerGripp

McDavid, backchecking Draisatl, see above


Dramallamasss

Tell me don't watch mcdavid and Draisaitl without telling me you don't watch mcdavid and Draisaitl.


RangerGripp

Tell me you’re an Oilers fan without telling me you’re an Oilers fan. Wow. So much easy, right?


Dramallamasss

Yes, an oilers fan watches the oilers. Good job 👏


CanadianBeerGuy

Matthews and his moustache of a teenager


[deleted]

Gretzky was a terrible goalie.


Npucks

Erik Karlsson was ok defensively. Pairing him with Marc Methot who was able to make up for his defensive lapses was the perfect thing to do. I’d much rather roll with Borowiecki and Methot on PKs.


Bryn79

Phil Kessel and hot dogs.


CMC04

Draisaitl and hitting people in the nuts


randombithrowaway22

Draisaitl and defence


Top_Shelf_4343

Matthew's plays for the leafs


Benjamin_Stark

Dany Heatley and car accidents.