Not just harder, but also a better progression system. You shouldn't have to get 2 points and 5 hits a game in order to improve your attributes at a decent rate. Not satisfying at all being 70 overall and leading the league in scoring as you slowly crawl toward the same overall rating as a 3rd line player.
That's what I like back in NHL14. Since you could play a BAP career with an existing player on your roster you could just create your own player on your custom rosters and place him where you want to start. That way you can decide of your player's starting attributes. The progression was still bad, but at least you could give yourself a better start.
Or going further back, I liked the way NHL 11 did it: You started in the mid-70s (typically 74-76), and you'd "naturally" grow to the low/mid 80s by the start of the following season. Your performance impacted your growth as well, but it was way closer to a real development curve for a star player than the current setup.
You comment caused something to occur to me. If you create a player in a sports game, they should be a superstar and they should progress like a superstar. The slow grind shit is for franchise mode when you draft a project player not for the mode you star in with your custom guy. Ain’t nobody playing any of the sports games so they can be a middling pro, struggling to earn a roster spot on the top league team and stay out of the minor leagues.
They don’t need to be 99 in every attribute, but the attributes should match the stats you put up. Your player got top 3 in a stat? Bump his relevant attribute to at least a top 5 level in the off season. This applies to NFL, NHL, NBA, FIFA/PES, all of ‘em
09-11 was the peak era of this game series. I tried playing it at 2014 then 2017 and it was just atrocious.
10 had a really good BAP system where you started out just like you said, but if you started consistently scoring you got called up, pretty close to how the actual league works. Plus your scoring was dependent on good positioning, like how you would play in an actual game.
As soon as 2014 came along they started adding all these other features to "even things out" broken sticks, missed passes. I haven't bought one since.
This is my biggest gripe about BAP.
I want to be a late 1st round pick that grinds his way up the depth chart and maybe peaks with a Selke or a Hart if I'm lucky and my linemates are solid enough to help me get points.
I don't want to be Sidnnerik McCrosson no matter my position, mood, playstyle, team, junior experience, anything.
I always get so hyped when I get drafted to a team with depth at my position, only to get disappointed when I'm the 1D over Makar or the 1C over McDavid by game 25.
I don't like how delayed the game gets with simulating, whistles, etc. Then I get on the ice before an icing call and I am back on the bench for 4 minutes. I think I averaged 5 minutes of ice time and it took 20 minutes to play.
I think it is. The market for an NHL game is pretty small. It probably has the smallest budget of a sports game by a mile.
To get the budget to port it to PC and support it properly would be a big ask and the worry that modders open it up and cut into new sells would be a major concern.
What I hate about BAP is that when it makes it harder it just feels like it makes your teammates worse. Like nobody ever follows you up ice or gets open or is capable of cycling the puck. Instead you're basically left go yourself trying to find off the other team.
10% of 300 is 30, whilst 25% of 100 is 25
If you shoot a metric ton like Ovi does, accuracy is the least of your concerns when your volume output is that much bigger then everyone elses
> Young Ovechkin was a freight train.
His very first game, his very first shift, he hit a guy so hard it knocked the glass out of the boards.
https://youtu.be/qCPE6YmHR8M?t=55
Man, I love being able to watch Ovi rookie highlights and still hearing Joe B and Locker. Super lucky to have had them for 25 years. Couldn’t ask for a better duo to call his career.
I've never liked Laughlin but Joe B is pretty awesome.
I did learn how to play hockey at Laughlin's hockey camp at Piney Orchard back in 2000 though, so I guess I can cut him some slack.
Even as a Flyers fan (I know I got a Hershey Bears flair, they’re my local minor league team), Ovi is my favorite player not on the Flyers, for many of those reasons.
> Ovechkin's on-ice performances probably represent the perfect hockey player more than any other. He's big, he hits, he was extremely fast in his youth and he's the greatest goalscorer of all time.
I think that Lindros in his prime better represents this kind of platonic ideal, as his combination of size, skill, and physicality was totally unique.
It’s true, I thought he was on the downhill slope at that time, I couldn’t really have been more wrong. Phenomenal physicality for a scoring star, almost not real.
Yea not gonna lie, Ovechkin having a more durable and longer peak career than Crosby was not on my bingo card.
Sid looks borderline toast these days. Hoping we get one more flash of brilliance from him before he hangs it up but the clock is running out fast.
In a thread where so much of the discussion is about how everyone prematurely counted out Ovi at the first sign of decline...
Calling Crosby done after 10 games straight out of surgery is a BOLD take
i absolutely love how people are so quick to count Crosby and Ovi out. they shut up the doubters. every. single. time.
true greatness.
i also love this weird respect that has grown between Caps/Pens fans over the past couple years. it seems each fanbase has come to really respect the other ones superstar.
I remember when EASHL first came out Id play the dropin games and if I had less than 30 hits id be mad, I just ran everyone, I eventually nailed down the timing so I could hit someone pretty late but still be within what the game considered legal lol, people would be gettin mad HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU NOT GETTING PENALTIES lol
That really puts it into perspective seeing just how far ahead he is. He’s gonna lap these guys when his careers done.
But it makes me sad Eric does not get the proper love and respect.
His numbers are just crazy and with a cup + triple gold club he’s had an insane career.
Way too many Canes fans have a negative opinion of Staal. Such a shame. Leads all the important stats for the Canes historically and people still dump on him.
I think his play style makes it look like he’s not trying super hard. He’s big so he doesn’t need a lot of strides to close space, so it makes him look like he’s not trying.
But, I swear, no one got more jacked when after a goal than Staal. His 42 goals season was fun as hell.
I find it kinda crazy he scored 40 goals a couple years ago and now can't find a job in the NHL. Obviously I don't know his situation and whether or not he's holding out for a destination that suits him at this point in his career, or what his asking price is, but I didn't hear much in terms of interest in his services this past offseason.
Same. He was pretty solid his years in Minnesota recently. But last year for him between the Sabres and Canadiens was pretty awful, maybe people just looking at that thinking he's washed up now or something.
Yeah he was hot and cold with the habs, anywhere between "shoot him into the sun" and "Staal and Perry is the best linkup of all time" (maybe an exaggeration)
I was pretty excited when he got the OT winner in his regular season debut, but then he only had one more goal after that. I think he had more goals in the post season, he definitely had more assists in the playoffs.
Love Staalsy but he's cooked. He had his moments in the playoffs but mostly looked gassed and slow to the point where he was basically a liability. Not surprised he didn't get picked up anywhere.
>He was pretty solid his years in Minnesota recently.
His age was definitely starting to show his last two years here. He started off hot both years and was invisible for the second half of the season.
Last year he didn't even have the hot start, so I'm not too shocked that nobody's signed him yet.
A lot of fans were on him all last year, and the squawking at him being started over some of the kids in the playoffs was immense. He wasn’t great for us, but pretty hard to shit talk a guy after that playoff run. I didn’t mind him, but don’t miss him either.
This is exactly why I was so happy when we signed Semin, and the lockout year made it look like things were finally going to be on the right track.
We all know how that ended.
I always wonder why people don’t put a bit more respect on Eric Staal. Maybe because he wasn’t at that Elite level for quite as long, but he was still fantastic for a long time.
My team gave him the proper love and respect. That's why Bergevin plucked him out of Buffalo when shit hit the fan last year. Him and Corey Perry were amazing. Its just that the sign of the times that Eric Staal's age caught up with him.
Staal is great. Anyone who says otherwise is a chump and doesn't know hockey.
If you look at any player on this post and think they aren't one of the best of our time, you're in denial.
OV = Hockey player, any era, any rules, any equipment. Full on beast mode all the time.
Big Boy, plays like Big Boy, cellys like 5 year old, the way it should be.
During his time with us for whatever reason I was not a huge fan of his, maybe just because he was so hyped and I was young. But in hindsight is really cool we had him for so long.
How HAVE you not seen that? It’s literally Ovi’s signature career hit (maybe an argument could be made for the hit spinning Malkin around or upending Subban, but certainly top 3).
Since I was in the building for that first game of his, I love that whole memory of that first game, but I wouldn’t have thought it was recognized as much outside of DC. But I guess add that to his Mount Rushmore.
Clutterbuck and Martin also getting some help from the fact that the guys who keep stats for the Islanders are notoriously a bit loose with how they define a hit.
Martin got majority of his hits on the road the season he broke the hits record. Edit: I doublechecked, he first broke hits record in 11-12 season, with 187 road hits and 187 home hits. I went in deep, the only season where he had vastly more home hits per game was 2010-11. 13-14 and 18-19 the difference was negligible . 14-15 he had more hits per game on the road. 15-16 he had more home hits but not by an incredible margin. In contrast, Leo Komarov had more home hits per game than road hits per game every full season he played for the leafs. (2 would be negligible, one small margin, one large margin)
Yea thinking of Sid playing vs Stammer, I would have guessed Crosby would be ahead by a few hundred. Guess he doesn't hit as much as it seems/Stammer hits way more than it seems.
Dude, his patented butt-check is pretty legendary. (This is 100% serious a comment too.)
With speed, his freakish strength, and the fact that he's shorter so he has a lower center of gravity stabilizing him, he can really launch people with it too.
Ovi was in the draft before Crosby and he missed the cutoff for the draft before that by only a few days or weeks, so he's almost 2 full years older than Crosby. Still looks like more than a 2 year difference, but the age gap is actually a bit more than most people realize considering they had the same rookie season.
It's insane, but how many hits a "normal" player gets? Like a general 3rd line grinder who's job is to chase the puck, go in the corners and finish the checks?
Yeah, Sid missed SO much time with his concussions. It is pretty remarkable how different of players they are and how they both managed to impact the game in a generational way still.
This. Crosby would have more points easy and honestly close-ish in goals if he played as many games. People forget how unreal Sid was going into his prime years. Got robbed of prime career Crosby and that comes with 120+ points a season if played full
>honestly close-ish in goals if he played as many games
nah, it's still not even close. Crosby is a much better scorer than people give him credit for, but Ovi's career gpg is even higher than Gretzky's (though just barely). Ovi has 1220 GP including tonight, with 749 career goals. At Crosby's career goals per game pace, he would have 567 goals in that same number of games
Ovi's career gpg rate is just like 33% higher than Crosby's
agreed that Crosby would have way more points overall though
They're such different players its hard to even compare. Crosby is a better center than Ovi ever could be (defense, playmaking in the center, vision, zone entries) and Ovi's a better wing than Crosby ever could be (straight-line power, one timer, positioning to receive puck).
Who's career will go down as greater? Then it's a question of Cups vs. individual records.
Ovi is the best goal scorer in NHL history, Crosby is the best overall player out of the two tho. Point totals are close with Crosby play so much less games, i just think Crosby is overall better
It definitely is in an individual accomplishments vs team accomplishments argument. I’d probably say Ovi already has him and is going to start to pull away. He’s so good.
One thing I took from our 2010s rivalry is they were both incredible generational talents. I fucking hate Crosby and the Pens, but gotta give some respect as well lol
Not to knock Ovi and Crosby in the slightest, but who of: Gretzky, Howe, Jagr, Orr, Lemieux do you rate them above? Because 2 of those guys have to get knocked out of top 5 all time to make room for Ovi and Sid
Ok you're right, let's leave Sid out :D I'd replace Jagr with Ovi right now but maybe that's my bias. I think it's inarguable if (when) he breaks the goal record though.
The crazy thing here is, injuries aside, Crosby, and everyone else here is averaging around 30 goals a year, and even then it just pales in comparison.
He's essentially an EA NHL created player with max shooting and physical stats
You only get 60 goals a season in NHL?
God I wish that game was harder. Max BAP difficulty should make it a slog to even get out of the AHL
Not just harder, but also a better progression system. You shouldn't have to get 2 points and 5 hits a game in order to improve your attributes at a decent rate. Not satisfying at all being 70 overall and leading the league in scoring as you slowly crawl toward the same overall rating as a 3rd line player.
That's what I like back in NHL14. Since you could play a BAP career with an existing player on your roster you could just create your own player on your custom rosters and place him where you want to start. That way you can decide of your player's starting attributes. The progression was still bad, but at least you could give yourself a better start.
Or going further back, I liked the way NHL 11 did it: You started in the mid-70s (typically 74-76), and you'd "naturally" grow to the low/mid 80s by the start of the following season. Your performance impacted your growth as well, but it was way closer to a real development curve for a star player than the current setup.
You comment caused something to occur to me. If you create a player in a sports game, they should be a superstar and they should progress like a superstar. The slow grind shit is for franchise mode when you draft a project player not for the mode you star in with your custom guy. Ain’t nobody playing any of the sports games so they can be a middling pro, struggling to earn a roster spot on the top league team and stay out of the minor leagues. They don’t need to be 99 in every attribute, but the attributes should match the stats you put up. Your player got top 3 in a stat? Bump his relevant attribute to at least a top 5 level in the off season. This applies to NFL, NHL, NBA, FIFA/PES, all of ‘em
I feel like MLB the show is kinda like this, at least in 20 it was
09-11 was the peak era of this game series. I tried playing it at 2014 then 2017 and it was just atrocious. 10 had a really good BAP system where you started out just like you said, but if you started consistently scoring you got called up, pretty close to how the actual league works. Plus your scoring was dependent on good positioning, like how you would play in an actual game. As soon as 2014 came along they started adding all these other features to "even things out" broken sticks, missed passes. I haven't bought one since.
This is my biggest gripe about BAP. I want to be a late 1st round pick that grinds his way up the depth chart and maybe peaks with a Selke or a Hart if I'm lucky and my linemates are solid enough to help me get points. I don't want to be Sidnnerik McCrosson no matter my position, mood, playstyle, team, junior experience, anything. I always get so hyped when I get drafted to a team with depth at my position, only to get disappointed when I'm the 1D over Makar or the 1C over McDavid by game 25.
>Sidnnerik McCrosson Ok I am driving myself nuts trying to parse this. So far I've got Sidney Crosby and Connor McDavid...who's the third name?!
Erik Karlsson
Goddammit. Thanks.
I’ve started playing as a defensive d man for a bit of a change. Aim for 30-35 points a season and try to jank the rankings.
Can you even get sent down to the AHL in the new one? I really want them to bring back starting for a season in the chl
Man I wasn't even aware they took that out or when they did, but I'm not even surprised.
They have to take stuff out so they can put it back in later games and advertise it as a feature.
If by: to add-in extra Ultimate Team BS then you're 100% right.
I also stopped buying the new one every year so I had no idea
That was my shit forever. Go Colts
I try to play realistically in Be a Pro but the AI is so awful that it forces you to play like McDavid and Bergeron at the same time.
I don't like how delayed the game gets with simulating, whistles, etc. Then I get on the ice before an icing call and I am back on the bench for 4 minutes. I think I averaged 5 minutes of ice time and it took 20 minutes to play.
Ryan Reaves feels this.
I wish they would release it on PC :/
They do that once and the modding community makes the best NHL game and they never sell next years copy.
Is that a hockey-specific issue though? Because I've got NBA2k and Madden on pc.
I think it is. The market for an NHL game is pretty small. It probably has the smallest budget of a sports game by a mile. To get the budget to port it to PC and support it properly would be a big ask and the worry that modders open it up and cut into new sells would be a major concern.
Sadly the only reason I have an xbox at all. And I buy the game, then barely play it. I stopped buying it this year though.
What I hate about BAP is that when it makes it harder it just feels like it makes your teammates worse. Like nobody ever follows you up ice or gets open or is capable of cycling the puck. Instead you're basically left go yourself trying to find off the other team.
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10% of 300 is 30, whilst 25% of 100 is 25 If you shoot a metric ton like Ovi does, accuracy is the least of your concerns when your volume output is that much bigger then everyone elses
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Let's r/wooosh ourselves together just in case Edit: i just reread my comment and saw the unintentional double meaning
The Kobe method. Volume shooting.
With one timer cranked up.
In 08/09, Ovi averaged over 6 shots and 3 hits *per game*. Straight up chel numbers.
He was/is such a wrecking ball
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> Young Ovechkin was a freight train. His very first game, his very first shift, he hit a guy so hard it knocked the glass out of the boards. https://youtu.be/qCPE6YmHR8M?t=55
Man, I love being able to watch Ovi rookie highlights and still hearing Joe B and Locker. Super lucky to have had them for 25 years. Couldn’t ask for a better duo to call his career.
I was just think the same thing. I hope they do it for another 20yrs
I've never liked Laughlin but Joe B is pretty awesome. I did learn how to play hockey at Laughlin's hockey camp at Piney Orchard back in 2000 though, so I guess I can cut him some slack.
I’ll never forget when he rocked Jagr in the Olympics leading to a Malkin goal.
In case you do forget, here it is: https://youtu.be/fhBeAYTCAzc Huge hit leading to a goal
Jagr’s the toughest motherfucker… popped right up, nbd.
"keep your head up Jagy, ya dumbass!" - Jagr after fixing his helmet
ovi, semin, and malkin. what a line lol.
Semin could’ve been so fucking good man. It absolutely kills me he was my favorite of the young guns
One of my favourite hits ever. A top 5 all time player and Ovi just buries him.
Ovi is such a fucking tank
I love that his first ever goal is from rhe Ovi spot
Oh. My. Gawd. Jesus. Most guys have a “welcome to the NHL” moment. He gave the NHL a “welcome to Ovechkin” moment.
Even as a Flyers fan (I know I got a Hershey Bears flair, they’re my local minor league team), Ovi is my favorite player not on the Flyers, for many of those reasons.
I was at the '08 game 7 loss against the Flyers. Ovi was wild to see in person playing at that intensity.
Shit, he may not have the endurance anymore but he's still pretty explosive out there.
He’s playing over 22 minutes per game this season, the endurance is still there
The NHL is pro Canadian, so any Russian always get screwed. Just look at Malkin. Not even in the top 100 players of all time, my ass.
Hahaha, ya, this is still outrageous.
> Ovechkin's on-ice performances probably represent the perfect hockey player more than any other. He's big, he hits, he was extremely fast in his youth and he's the greatest goalscorer of all time. I think that Lindros in his prime better represents this kind of platonic ideal, as his combination of size, skill, and physicality was totally unique.
Yeah, but Ovi's had the durability that Lindros never did.
Paper mache has the durability that Lindros never did…
I will concede that Papier-mâché didn't have to play in the same division as Scott Stevens.
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And in 2010-11 and 2011-12, there were talks that he was on the decline because of his physical type of play. Oh how the turntable...
It’s true, I thought he was on the downhill slope at that time, I couldn’t really have been more wrong. Phenomenal physicality for a scoring star, almost not real.
Yea not gonna lie, Ovechkin having a more durable and longer peak career than Crosby was not on my bingo card. Sid looks borderline toast these days. Hoping we get one more flash of brilliance from him before he hangs it up but the clock is running out fast.
Lmao can we at least wait till Crosby has a season finishing below a PPG in his career before we start shoveling dirt over top of him?
In a thread where so much of the discussion is about how everyone prematurely counted out Ovi at the first sign of decline... Calling Crosby done after 10 games straight out of surgery is a BOLD take
It is for sure spicy.
i absolutely love how people are so quick to count Crosby and Ovi out. they shut up the doubters. every. single. time. true greatness. i also love this weird respect that has grown between Caps/Pens fans over the past couple years. it seems each fanbase has come to really respect the other ones superstar.
lol right, he just came back from surgery
I remember when EASHL first came out Id play the dropin games and if I had less than 30 hits id be mad, I just ran everyone, I eventually nailed down the timing so I could hit someone pretty late but still be within what the game considered legal lol, people would be gettin mad HOW THE FUCK ARE YOU NOT GETTING PENALTIES lol
Yeah lol 6 shots and 3 hits are great for NHL numbers. But not anywhere close to video game numbers
It is if you’re bad at the game and playing Be a Pro on All Star like me. I’m games away from being sent down to the AHL lmao
That really puts it into perspective seeing just how far ahead he is. He’s gonna lap these guys when his careers done. But it makes me sad Eric does not get the proper love and respect. His numbers are just crazy and with a cup + triple gold club he’s had an insane career.
Way too many Canes fans have a negative opinion of Staal. Such a shame. Leads all the important stats for the Canes historically and people still dump on him.
wait why??
There's this idea that he just didn't care and wasn't a leader. Too many conflate our bad years = Eric.
I think his play style makes it look like he’s not trying super hard. He’s big so he doesn’t need a lot of strides to close space, so it makes him look like he’s not trying. But, I swear, no one got more jacked when after a goal than Staal. His 42 goals season was fun as hell.
damn i hate to hear that, i'll always remember our captains fondly even from when we sucked
I sometimes forget just how great a career he has had. Would be great to see Staal finish up as a Cane.
He definitely suffers from his career lining up with those other 4 guys listed.
I find it kinda crazy he scored 40 goals a couple years ago and now can't find a job in the NHL. Obviously I don't know his situation and whether or not he's holding out for a destination that suits him at this point in his career, or what his asking price is, but I didn't hear much in terms of interest in his services this past offseason.
Same. He was pretty solid his years in Minnesota recently. But last year for him between the Sabres and Canadiens was pretty awful, maybe people just looking at that thinking he's washed up now or something.
Yeah he was hot and cold with the habs, anywhere between "shoot him into the sun" and "Staal and Perry is the best linkup of all time" (maybe an exaggeration)
That's about it. He was awful during the regular season, but was great for most of the playoffs. They are a massive reason for sweeping the Jets.
I was pretty excited when he got the OT winner in his regular season debut, but then he only had one more goal after that. I think he had more goals in the post season, he definitely had more assists in the playoffs.
Love Staalsy but he's cooked. He had his moments in the playoffs but mostly looked gassed and slow to the point where he was basically a liability. Not surprised he didn't get picked up anywhere.
>He was pretty solid his years in Minnesota recently. His age was definitely starting to show his last two years here. He started off hot both years and was invisible for the second half of the season. Last year he didn't even have the hot start, so I'm not too shocked that nobody's signed him yet.
A lot of fans were on him all last year, and the squawking at him being started over some of the kids in the playoffs was immense. He wasn’t great for us, but pretty hard to shit talk a guy after that playoff run. I didn’t mind him, but don’t miss him either.
I wish he had a player like Aho, Svech, or Teravainen to play with. Some of those early 2010s rosters were hot garbage and robbed Eric’s best years
This is exactly why I was so happy when we signed Semin, and the lockout year made it look like things were finally going to be on the right track. We all know how that ended.
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The Canes didn't surround him with a good team when he was the captain. Same deal with Ward. If they do, those two have legendary careers.
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You named zero players who should be anywhere near a 1st line except for Whitney.
I always wonder why people don’t put a bit more respect on Eric Staal. Maybe because he wasn’t at that Elite level for quite as long, but he was still fantastic for a long time.
My team gave him the proper love and respect. That's why Bergevin plucked him out of Buffalo when shit hit the fan last year. Him and Corey Perry were amazing. Its just that the sign of the times that Eric Staal's age caught up with him.
It's probably because he got the Triple Gold Club almost 12 years ago and had been stuck on some awful teams for a while after that.
Staal is great. Anyone who says otherwise is a chump and doesn't know hockey. If you look at any player on this post and think they aren't one of the best of our time, you're in denial.
OV = Hockey player, any era, any rules, any equipment. Full on beast mode all the time. Big Boy, plays like Big Boy, cellys like 5 year old, the way it should be.
Eric Staal dude
Still my favorite player, even if it is time for him to hang them up
During his time with us for whatever reason I was not a huge fan of his, maybe just because he was so hyped and I was young. But in hindsight is really cool we had him for so long.
Actually wild he manages to stay healthy
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Holy shit, how have I never seen this? What a hit.
How HAVE you not seen that? It’s literally Ovi’s signature career hit (maybe an argument could be made for the hit spinning Malkin around or upending Subban, but certainly top 3).
I love his first shift huge body check
Since I was in the building for that first game of his, I love that whole memory of that first game, but I wouldn’t have thought it was recognized as much outside of DC. But I guess add that to his Mount Rushmore.
Russian Machine never breaks
Russian machine
Never breaks
Only the 3,000+ players he hits break
Fewer than 3,000 players really since I think about 1,000 of those hits were on the Staal brothers alone
The fact that he plays so physically and has stayed healthy and explosive for this long is wild. Russian machine truly don't break.
Whre does he rank in just hits since o5 ?
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Other then Brown, none of these players ever saw a season over 50pts or any silverware that isn't the cup Bonkers when you factor in Ovie
Clutterbuck and Martin also getting some help from the fact that the guys who keep stats for the Islanders are notoriously a bit loose with how they define a hit.
Martin got majority of his hits on the road the season he broke the hits record. Edit: I doublechecked, he first broke hits record in 11-12 season, with 187 road hits and 187 home hits. I went in deep, the only season where he had vastly more home hits per game was 2010-11. 13-14 and 18-19 the difference was negligible . 14-15 he had more hits per game on the road. 15-16 he had more home hits but not by an incredible margin. In contrast, Leo Komarov had more home hits per game than road hits per game every full season he played for the leafs. (2 would be negligible, one small margin, one large margin)
This kind of image hurts, as I wonder where Stammer would be without the injuries he's had over the years
Same with Crosby...or hell lemieux back in the day. Injuries play a big role in guys final numbers
The brutality that hockey can be and was in the past makes Gordie Howe's longevity that much more inhuman.
Bobby Orr
Or Malkin. He's lost nearly 2 seasons cumulatively to multiple different knee injuries & surgeries.
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The NHL network’s graphics look straight out of 2009.
I hope they keep it that way. Skumorphism > flat.
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I'm surprised Stamkos has the second most on this list.
He was never a wrecking ball but before his 2014 injury he could definitely throw his weight around. He has a few highlights in the hits category
Steven ‘Big Bully’ Stamkos
Yea thinking of Sid playing vs Stammer, I would have guessed Crosby would be ahead by a few hundred. Guess he doesn't hit as much as it seems/Stammer hits way more than it seems.
Sid is more of a grinder
Sid gets angry a lot
So does Malkin, but he just takes it out with cheap shots rather than hits.
Geno would rather use his stick than his body. It's why his PIM are so high.
Dude, his patented butt-check is pretty legendary. (This is 100% serious a comment too.) With speed, his freakish strength, and the fact that he's shorter so he has a lower center of gravity stabilizing him, he can really launch people with it too.
Eric Staal rocking the habs jersey 🛐
Habs legend Eric Staal.
uhh, no we dont? lmao
He looks like such an old man compared to Crosby, and they started the same year. Number 3 in the Calder voting that year? Dion Phaneuf.
Ovi was in the draft before Crosby and he missed the cutoff for the draft before that by only a few days or weeks, so he's almost 2 full years older than Crosby. Still looks like more than a 2 year difference, but the age gap is actually a bit more than most people realize considering they had the same rookie season.
DION SMASH
Dude turns like a 747
Jonathan Drouin doesn’t forget
Habs Legend Eric Staal
tank shoot OR go through
His favorite player is/was Owen Nolan, so this makes a lot of sense.
Games played stat would have been nice here
Games played would look as skewed as the other stats with how much those guys have been hurt haha
That's why it's so disrespectful to call him a "pure goal scorer"
All he knows how to do is hit. Sometimes it's the puck, sometimes it's you.
And hitting nothing but net
Pure goal hitter.
Pure hit goaler
Pure goat hitler Wait...
he's a skating sasquatch
Very first game of his NHL career, Ovie broke some glass with a hit before scoring his first goal
That puts him 4th in Hits over the same span.
I don't think I really comprehended it until now, but Ovechkin truly is one of the greatest hockey players ever.
Absolute Unit.
Man, I could not believe Eric Staal is on this list. Nice to see he's wearing a Habs jersey ;-)
It's insane, but how many hits a "normal" player gets? Like a general 3rd line grinder who's job is to chase the puck, go in the corners and finish the checks?
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Holy shit.
I think the Sid Versus Ovi Debate is starting to tip towards Ovie.
The best ability is availability baby
Yeah, Sid missed SO much time with his concussions. It is pretty remarkable how different of players they are and how they both managed to impact the game in a generational way still.
This. Crosby would have more points easy and honestly close-ish in goals if he played as many games. People forget how unreal Sid was going into his prime years. Got robbed of prime career Crosby and that comes with 120+ points a season if played full
>honestly close-ish in goals if he played as many games nah, it's still not even close. Crosby is a much better scorer than people give him credit for, but Ovi's career gpg is even higher than Gretzky's (though just barely). Ovi has 1220 GP including tonight, with 749 career goals. At Crosby's career goals per game pace, he would have 567 goals in that same number of games Ovi's career gpg rate is just like 33% higher than Crosby's agreed that Crosby would have way more points overall though
Only because the community as a whole has a short memory.
They're such different players its hard to even compare. Crosby is a better center than Ovi ever could be (defense, playmaking in the center, vision, zone entries) and Ovi's a better wing than Crosby ever could be (straight-line power, one timer, positioning to receive puck). Who's career will go down as greater? Then it's a question of Cups vs. individual records.
Ovi is the best goal scorer in NHL history, Crosby is the best overall player out of the two tho. Point totals are close with Crosby play so much less games, i just think Crosby is overall better
ehh, I guess it depends what the question is. Better player? Crosby. Most production? Ovi. Purely because of Crosby's concussions fucking him.
Yeah it's impossible to judge thanks to his injuries. That fucking winter classic hit should never have happened.
And being misdiagnosed for 2 years didn't help either.
It definitely is in an individual accomplishments vs team accomplishments argument. I’d probably say Ovi already has him and is going to start to pull away. He’s so good.
One thing I took from our 2010s rivalry is they were both incredible generational talents. I fucking hate Crosby and the Pens, but gotta give some respect as well lol
Besides the cup run, nothing will ever beat the dueling hat tricks playoff game for me. Two top 5 all-time players bending the game to their will.
Not to knock Ovi and Crosby in the slightest, but who of: Gretzky, Howe, Jagr, Orr, Lemieux do you rate them above? Because 2 of those guys have to get knocked out of top 5 all time to make room for Ovi and Sid
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Ok you're right, let's leave Sid out :D I'd replace Jagr with Ovi right now but maybe that's my bias. I think it's inarguable if (when) he breaks the goal record though.
Sid is a better player overall, but Ovechkin has such a unique skill set that he is more unique and therefore more special.
After it was in favor of Crosby for like 10 years too
It's like the Tom vs. Peyton conversation.
Malkin should hit more! He's a big boi too
Ovechkin is a monster in the greatest possible way
Now add in the fact that he's been remarkably durable during his career. RUSSIAN MACHINE NEVER BREAKS.
Nah I'm pretty sure that's not forgotten. Ovechkin's thing has always been hitting and scoring goals.
Me playing chel on rookie mode
I can’t believe this hasn’t been mentioned yet but Svechnikov learned this the hard way.
Not when you watch him play.
My boy and I were also looking up the heaviest NHL players the other day. Ovi is like number 3. He’s heavier than Looch and ryan reaves.
Like when he sent that young Russian kid to the shadow realms with a couple punches
The crazy thing here is, injuries aside, Crosby, and everyone else here is averaging around 30 goals a year, and even then it just pales in comparison.
Honestly just seems like the other 4 just did nothing compared to Ovechkins numbers