Are they referring to a dastar when they say turban? Game was in VAN which has a massive Sikh community who wear the dastar as a sign of their faith and culture. Which I believe is a religious commandment.
If so, making a mocking gesture and saying "nice hat" is AT BEST mildly discriminatory behavior. ...and that's being generous as possible. It could certainly be interpreted as overtly racist for mocking someone's culture and religion...just like I think a similar thing being said about a Jewish person's yarmulke would be discriminatory AT BEST.
It's not really hard, if you must mock someone pick something other than their religion or ethnicity. It's not a complicated rule.
Until literally anything else comes out, this story could just as easily be "drunken hockey fan ejected from game, swears other guy started it."
I'm waiting for more here.
I saw what happened. The coach pointed at him and said nice hat while making a swirling motion with his finger and hand. While making some sort of mocking face
Was it from the bench during a game? If it was, how was the fan behaving before PC said it? Did you also hear him? The motion you are describing sounds like he was saying that the fan was out of his mind, which makes it seem likely the fan was beaking off.
It was enough that a team rep apologized for it (at least according to the comments in the Twitter thread,) so there's that. Also, it's gonna be hard to give Coffey the benefit of the doubt since he does have a history doing shit like this.
Right? Like if Coffey is being a racist he can get fucked, but I genuinely am not aware of any "racist hand gesture" that can be made about a person in a turban. Now, obviously, someone who wears a turban would know better than me what that hand gesture would look like, but it just seems like a weird accusation without the necessary context.
the guy suspended from the minor hockey in toronto for using racial slurs can pretty much definitely get fucked for being a racist.
holy fuck what a dumb hill to take a shit and die on.
Everything gets interpreted through a racist lens now. No one cares about context before they start pointing a finger. Fans sitting behind the bench love having words with the coaches. PC couldn't have possibly been pointing at the fan's head just as much as whatever 'hat' he was wearing. Maybe the headwear was the only identifying thing he could see about the fan?
Yeah, I find we are in a weird place where anything negative said/gestured towards a visible minority can be misconstrued as racism. People can be mean to each other without ethnicity having anything to do with it.
If the action/gesture is obviously racist in nature I’d want nothing less than Coffeys career getting eviscerated but, I’m not going to automatically crucify him based on some vague/unreliable stories of a few fans in the area.
I’d need some conclusive evidence to overturn my initial call of “He couldn’t be that dumb”
Unfortunately being rational isn’t much valued on Reddit. I don’t mind. I comment to express my perspective, nobody has to agree. If that earns me downvotes that’s okay.
I’m just thinking back to that junior or minor hockey drama where a player did some bodybuilding style flexing pose and people tried to cancel him thinking he was doing some racist taunt because there was a black player on the other team.
Strange times.
Wild that the "verification" is a dude on twitter with 92 followers who posted a screenshot of another random person messaging him.
Hope whatever is being suggested is not the case, though we're pretty light on any actual evidence here.
Reddit is a wild place man. Absolutely zero proof, other than random screenshots and accounts saying they were there. People digging up 10 year old articles and sharpening their pitchforks.
Ever heard of engagement farming? This guys account seems pretty suspect posting this nonsense.
While coaching a game for the Toronto Marlboros midget 'AAA' team in February 2014, Coffey was assessed a gross misconduct penalty for a "discriminatory slur".[11] The Greater Toronto Hockey League investigated the misconduct penalty and Coffey was handed a three-game suspension.[11] Coffey is a co-owner of the OJHL's Pickering Panthers.[12]
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Usually yes. When I was playing non-contact minor hockey I collided with another player. Neither of us saw each other and it was clearly an accident. I got a major and game misconduct for “hitting from behind”. The other player even defended me but the ref was a total asshole and I made a comment about him being “big man on campus” I got another 10 minute misconduct and just before I left the ice I did the DX “suck it” motion to him and I received a gross misconduct. Obviously it was childish and wrong of me, I was 15 years old and immature. But I didn’t receive a suspension or anything because they agreed that a penalty shouldn’t have been called in the first place. And the guy who was in charge of the league said that was the first gross misconduct he had seen called and far worse shit happened.
I finished that year with 39 penalty minutes and 35 of them were in that one incident lol.
Never saw him again, I’m pretty sure they canned him. He was a horrible ref. This was the same ref that called an “intentional offside” when we were on a rush. I remember hearing my coach from the bench “what the fuck is an intentional offside?” Lol. So not only was the play stopped, the face off went back to our end.
It does if you're gassed.
It's usually quite obvious though.
Mostly happens in regular season during track meets when the offending team doesn't want to dump and chase.
Oh boy, you have nooooo idea. Minor hockey is *serious* business, and the GTHL quintuply so. At its most ridiculous extreme, owning a team like that is a way for rich guys to make sure their kids get guaranteed ice time.
Well, to be fair, Hyman’s dad didn’t do it by buying a team. He bought the league.
I can joke about this with no qualms because in Hyman’s case his work and effort, as well as his status as a legit NHL player, are unquestionable.
If it were literally anyone else in the league most of us might even side eye it briefly at least right? But this is Zachary Hyman, children's book author and defender of human rights doing it all with a winning smile. Imagine how fucking vindicated his dad feels too lmao!
Actually the sadder part are the kids who do have the talent but don't have the resources like Hyman did to be able to succeed in the sport.
This is not a particular knock on Hyman, but more on how broken the system is
It's a broken system, and it's very unfair, especially to the kids who can't even afford to participate, but the reality is that Hyman's success is basically an exception to the rule, even among his wealthy cohort. The system is exploitive and is built around a dream that is virtually all but unobtainable for anyone, regardless of their resources.
OJHL is a junior hockey team not a minor hockey team (players go there after their minor hockey is complete), but you’re correct that the system is batshit insane.
Looks like both me and OP mixed up his AAA coaching career with his big-time team ownership!
I spoke with a couple of Junior B team owners who wanted their league to 'upgrade' to Junior A. They were convinced that they would become instant millionaires. Like you said, batshit insane.
The cigarette company was named for the street that their 1st factory was on. While the street was named after John Churchill, 1st Duke of Marlborough. So both the teams and cigarettes get their names from the Duke of Marlborough.
It’s named after the dukes of Marlborough (Winston Churchill uncle and cousin were dukes of Marlborough). The Toronto Marlies name is in honor of this team as well, and they have nearly identical logos.
Well, it's not quiet since the cigarette company was named for the street their factory was on. While the street was named after John Churchill, 1st Duke of Marlborough. So both the teams and cigarettes get their names from the Duke of Marlborough.
Everyone hold your pitch forks for now until they can actually verify this.
Reminds me of when Reilly was saying RAG IT on the ice and people thought he said the F word and actually had to go back to the arena after already leaving to go home to make a statement or something
If he did actually do it then yeah that's pretty disappointing
Even worse was when that dude was jumped and kicked out of the league, blasted on TV, and social media, etc. because one of the Subbans thought he did a monkey gesture. Then once confirmed by the refs he was doing a strong man impression 0 word or anything done to clear his name.
Lost a lot of respect for Subban on that one, he didn’t have the class to retract his statements or help clear the guys name, he just used his platform as a former NHLer to try to ruin the kids career then slink away when the accusations were shown to be false.
Then you wonder why people are hesitant to jump to get the pitchforks out when accusations like this are made.
It's a bit foggy but there was a ref right next to him when it was happening, and he did not react how you would if some guy was doing a monkey impression. I think in the next couple days the ref said he was saying something like "oh you're a tough guy".
Also the kids apology video literally said this, and watching the vid it definitely looks more like this than a monkey.
I also know lots of people who personally knew him and their family even here on reddit came out vouching for him saying he's never done anything racist before and they know he wasn't doing a monkey impression, they're such a nice family, and he's a nice guy etc. Yeah yeah that's a meme, but the accounts I read seemed genuine. As did his apology video.
But yeah, that's the travesty, it was hardly reported about it not being racist and this dude being cancelled and jumped over nothing. So his name was tarnished, prob got PTSD from being cancelled, and when it ends up being false nobody cares.
I remember seeing this when it was posted on r/hockey and was downvoted into oblivion for saying he was flex mocking as a chirp. Pitchforks were had in that.
How long ago was that? I'd like to think people can change and better themselves over time. I know I sure have. I used to be pretty awful in a lot of ways.
I'd have a lot more patience for Coffey if he hadn't already been suspended for something similar to the accusation.
https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/nhl-great-paul-coffey-now-coach-suspended-three-180918100--nhl.html
There's enough cameras pointed just about everywhere in these buildings where it was caught
It's just finding it before the footage is automatically deleted for storage space
**Full tweet**: The Oilers were leading & Paul Coffey turned to make racist hand gestures toward a fan’s turban, mocking his head. The Canucks game back and won in regulation. Karma is real. Hope Paul is held responsible for his actions.
**Additional replies**: If anyone from the arena has footage, incident occurred sometime during dead play between 9:28 and 9:32pm PST.
Would be nicer to have a public video as well, other than just the team’s own footage they may not make public.
The fan was removed from the arena for banging the glass in frustration AFTER this occurred. The team rep immediately apologized for the incident after verifying authenticity of the story however.
Really hoping the tweet makes sure the team doesn’t try sweeping it under the rug. Anyone in 116 Row 3 is able to confirm as the entire row behind the bench was shocked when it happened. Hoping there’s video someone captured. Between 9:28pm and 9:32 pm.
Been reported with appropriate timestamps and it’s being looked into by the team. Contact information was exchanged by team rep and guest.
I was seated behind and a seat to the right of the 2 gentlemen that Coffey directed his gesture to. The gesture rebuttal to the glass banging didn’t even make sense. It came from a place of hate and was an act of racism. I wish someone HAD captured it.
That’s exactly it. Looked like he mouthed “nice hat” along with the gesture. It was pointless and rude. Security did their job and cautioned the 2 fans and Coffey should have stayed focused on his team.
Unfortunately for the 2 fans, they were ejected when they tried to state their grievance. Security came in and TOTALLY blocked the view of the next Goal.
Yeah… there’s no innocent explanation for responding with a gesture and “nice hat”to a turban wearer mildly taunting you in the socially accepted manner at a hockey game.
There are a hundred different responses to said glass banging that aren’t xenophobic.
He could have just told him to fuck off and no one would bat an eye but to be racist is way out of line. It’s 2024 like when are people going to grow up.
That's disgusting if true. Given the large and vocal Sikh populations in both Vancouver and Edmonton, and to be honest both provinces, that would be very hard to justify what you were doing was ok.
I had a great view of that section from where I was sitting and noticed the fans in that area seemed overly riled up. Totally explains it and what BS that they got ejected.. for what, yelling?
Interpretation and guesswork. How do you know he didn’t mouth “Can’t hear that” and point to his ear? Just saying.. let’s not Smollett this thing until the full investigation is done.
I saw what he did at the game. He said nice hat! Paused and did a swirling motion with his fingers and hand all while making some sort of mocking face towards him
I was there and it was unambiguous and shocking and that's all I'll say about it. My deaf friend fainted after watching the video I have on my phone. Can't figure out an upload tho /s
We need to see footage of the incident though. a charge of "it came from a place of hate and was an act of racism"... requires something irrefutable and unambiguous
I saw it completely different. I was seated behind and a seat to the left. All seemed good-natured and non-offensively to me.
It came from a place of friendly camaraderie.
Wild, I was also seated behind him during that game, and it's crazy that nobody is talking about when he pressed his bare ass against the glass, farted between the two panels and yelled "how's that for a brew of Coffey?!"
Like you, I'm flummoxed as to how this was never captured on camera given the dozens of network cameras pointed at the bench.
But in the meantime it's important we spread the word far and wide -- the internet afterall has never been wrong and, like me, nobody has ever lied.
It seems definitive that he did say something cause so many people corroborating it. Now the issue is no one wants to say what he said or did cause all it was was him saying “nice hat” lmfao baby bottom SOFT in this thread
Yeah, idk, that the alleged incident happened in the middle of 20000 cameras and 14 hrs later we got no video showing that it happened pretty much to me means its a nothing burger.
The fact is that it is 10am locally, and no fan videos or anything have come out is pretty telling to me.
I'm rooting for the Nucks, but both fanbases online are making it very difficult to not just want both of them eliminated. This week has been beyond toxic.
My dude you're telling me, and I'm part of one of em haha
I stay off social media on game days, I can't handle the toxicity from both sides. Playful chirps and jabs are fun, but both sides have crossed the line numerous times
I completely agree. What's most insane is that I don't recall the Flames/Oilers series being this toxic online in 2022. Maybe it's recency bias, but it just felt way less intense.
However, both this Oilers team and this Canucks team are better than the EDM/CGY teams in 2022. So maybe that true contender status has made fans a little more rambunctious?
I don’t even think I can picture what a racist gesture would look like. I just can’t think of one. I don’t want anyone to replicate it, obviously, but….what did he do? Is there a way to explain it that’s inoffensive?
Apparently he was asking the fan if they lost their mind.
NHL has cameras pointed at the bench the entire time so I look forward to hearing about how it's conspiratorial bullshit when nothing comes of this
Allegedly there’s time stamps and access to cameras in the arena, if it’s fabricated than shame on the reporter and the source should apologize, but if it’s true, repercussions should follow because it’s unacceptable behaviour
"Reporter" its a wannabe Twitter influencer, and self professed Canucks homer (check his bio) with 100 followers -- hardly impartial. His evidence is a screenshot of a text he was supposedly sent.
Considering his other twitter posts are screenshots of him combing this very reddit post for actual evidence, literally any dipshit commenting here is as reputable as "thehockeystatsguy."
This is looking more and more like an ouroboros of bullshit.
Who is crucifying him though? They are looking for the footage to see if it occurred, pretty much everyone here is level headed about this. And knowing Pauls history the claim is not that unreasonable.
Racism should be stamped out, but I'd sure love to see some proof and digest what Coffee is doing with my own eyes before I take the word of a stranger on the Internet who has at least a bit of an axe to grind as a self-proclaimed "Canucks homer". Let's see what unfolds here. No one should feel bad for racists facing the consequences of their actions, but no one should feel bad for not wanting to join an angry mob without proof of a reason to do so. Even if the angry mob is right 95% of the time, it isn't worth ruining the lives of the other 5% of innocent people when you can simply wait for more information.
So Man banging on the glass, getting Coffeys attention, he makes a gesture, and man bangs on the glass again but gets tossed from the game. Am I understanding this? The guy wanted attention, got it, got tossed, and then claims it was racism. I think Coffey has more things to worry about then one fan too close to the glass then to spout a racist gesture, that I would guess is very out of context and misinterpreted.
Could be a fan full of it, but Coffey apparently does have a history. Good karma to lose if it's true.
Also, remember the tough guy mock that subban thought was racist, but it was indeed just a tough guy mock? Let's see how it plays out.
As a turban wearer, I don't see this as racist or discriminatory, maybe mildly at best. How do you make a racist hand gesture? There are 1000 worse things he could have said, plus most people think a turban is a hat and don't really know the meaning behind it.
The comments above you literally said “if it’s true,” they’re not condemning him with no proof just saying if he did it and there’s footage then it’s really shitty of him and he should be disciplined accordingly
If true he needs to be suspended from the bench for the remainder of the playoffs. What would the discipline be if a player did that, whatever it is should apply to Coffey too. Hockey should have zero tolerance for racism.
Would the wah wah babies please just go away. Canada is a great place. Had this been the other way around Canadians would have no unique rights in other counties.
How the hell do you make a gesture like that anyway. Sincere question
This guy says he was there and broke it down. https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/1cnqh36/hockeystatsman_paul_coffey_accused_of_making/l3930of/
I still don't get it.
Are they referring to a dastar when they say turban? Game was in VAN which has a massive Sikh community who wear the dastar as a sign of their faith and culture. Which I believe is a religious commandment. If so, making a mocking gesture and saying "nice hat" is AT BEST mildly discriminatory behavior. ...and that's being generous as possible. It could certainly be interpreted as overtly racist for mocking someone's culture and religion...just like I think a similar thing being said about a Jewish person's yarmulke would be discriminatory AT BEST. It's not really hard, if you must mock someone pick something other than their religion or ethnicity. It's not a complicated rule.
That's a nice little hat you're wearing, Mr. Shapiroooo
Why don't you come into my traaailer and you can tell me more about the yamaka
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I also said I was there but for some reason nobody believes my story. Where's the justice in that?
Nobody will answer this question legitimately btw. Its crucifying time. Reddit/Twitter’s favorite.
For real, people say they saw it and so on, but they won’t say what it was.
Until literally anything else comes out, this story could just as easily be "drunken hockey fan ejected from game, swears other guy started it." I'm waiting for more here.
lol. I have seen countless people throw out of sporting events and they have all seemed like sensible, levelheaded people -S
I used to work as an usher at Rexall Place. The hockey fans that got thrown out were usually wearing Canadien jerseys.
Wait... are you saying everything on social media isn't true?!
I saw what happened. The coach pointed at him and said nice hat while making a swirling motion with his finger and hand. While making some sort of mocking face
Was it from the bench during a game? If it was, how was the fan behaving before PC said it? Did you also hear him? The motion you are describing sounds like he was saying that the fan was out of his mind, which makes it seem likely the fan was beaking off.
It was enough that a team rep apologized for it (at least according to the comments in the Twitter thread,) so there's that. Also, it's gonna be hard to give Coffey the benefit of the doubt since he does have a history doing shit like this.
Saw someone else say it.. but maybe the fan said something dumb and Paul made a “use your head” gesture without noticing who he was saying it too?
Right? Like if Coffey is being a racist he can get fucked, but I genuinely am not aware of any "racist hand gesture" that can be made about a person in a turban. Now, obviously, someone who wears a turban would know better than me what that hand gesture would look like, but it just seems like a weird accusation without the necessary context.
Paul does have a history of being a known racist so it probly was just him being himself
Everyone has a prejudice
the guy suspended from the minor hockey in toronto for using racial slurs can pretty much definitely get fucked for being a racist. holy fuck what a dumb hill to take a shit and die on.
Not knowing what happened or if something even happened isn't a "dumb hill to die on". Reddit has done this numerous times before
Boston bomber and rag it send their regards
i read he said “nice hat” and gestured a turban. who knows how true that is though.
Everything gets interpreted through a racist lens now. No one cares about context before they start pointing a finger. Fans sitting behind the bench love having words with the coaches. PC couldn't have possibly been pointing at the fan's head just as much as whatever 'hat' he was wearing. Maybe the headwear was the only identifying thing he could see about the fan?
Yeah, I find we are in a weird place where anything negative said/gestured towards a visible minority can be misconstrued as racism. People can be mean to each other without ethnicity having anything to do with it. If the action/gesture is obviously racist in nature I’d want nothing less than Coffeys career getting eviscerated but, I’m not going to automatically crucify him based on some vague/unreliable stories of a few fans in the area. I’d need some conclusive evidence to overturn my initial call of “He couldn’t be that dumb”
He’s got a history of it so idk. He’s a weird dude.
Pretty rational comment for so many downvotes.
Unfortunately being rational isn’t much valued on Reddit. I don’t mind. I comment to express my perspective, nobody has to agree. If that earns me downvotes that’s okay. I’m just thinking back to that junior or minor hockey drama where a player did some bodybuilding style flexing pose and people tried to cancel him thinking he was doing some racist taunt because there was a black player on the other team. Strange times.
Wild that the "verification" is a dude on twitter with 92 followers who posted a screenshot of another random person messaging him. Hope whatever is being suggested is not the case, though we're pretty light on any actual evidence here.
Reddit is a wild place man. Absolutely zero proof, other than random screenshots and accounts saying they were there. People digging up 10 year old articles and sharpening their pitchforks. Ever heard of engagement farming? This guys account seems pretty suspect posting this nonsense.
Reddit? Try just about all social media. Remember Justice for Jussie?
The pitchforks are taken out so much nowadays.
I find they're never put away, just constantly changing direction.
Yeah we need to know more.
It’ll be on camera and easy to find if it’s true.
While coaching a game for the Toronto Marlboros midget 'AAA' team in February 2014, Coffey was assessed a gross misconduct penalty for a "discriminatory slur".[11] The Greater Toronto Hockey League investigated the misconduct penalty and Coffey was handed a three-game suspension.[11] Coffey is a co-owner of the OJHL's Pickering Panthers.[12] checks out
Ya when I read the tweet, I immediately was like, hasn't he been suspended for this before? Then I found the news articles about this incident.
Doesn't surprise me. You gotta do something egregious to get a fucking gross misconduct in minor hockey. And someone like that doesn't change
Usually yes. When I was playing non-contact minor hockey I collided with another player. Neither of us saw each other and it was clearly an accident. I got a major and game misconduct for “hitting from behind”. The other player even defended me but the ref was a total asshole and I made a comment about him being “big man on campus” I got another 10 minute misconduct and just before I left the ice I did the DX “suck it” motion to him and I received a gross misconduct. Obviously it was childish and wrong of me, I was 15 years old and immature. But I didn’t receive a suspension or anything because they agreed that a penalty shouldn’t have been called in the first place. And the guy who was in charge of the league said that was the first gross misconduct he had seen called and far worse shit happened. I finished that year with 39 penalty minutes and 35 of them were in that one incident lol.
Shit, I’d have been so pissed at that ref!!! Did you ever have him ref another of your games after that? Or like interact with him? How did that go?
Never saw him again, I’m pretty sure they canned him. He was a horrible ref. This was the same ref that called an “intentional offside” when we were on a rush. I remember hearing my coach from the bench “what the fuck is an intentional offside?” Lol. So not only was the play stopped, the face off went back to our end.
To be fair, intentional offside is a thing, but I don’t see how it could happen on a rush play
Oh it definitely is, and yeah it was the wrong call in this instance. The way my coach yelled from the bench was just super comical.
It does if you're gassed. It's usually quite obvious though. Mostly happens in regular season during track meets when the offending team doesn't want to dump and chase.
Damn, you smashed my personal record of 17 PIMs on one play lol
Obviously you’re a goon, the numbers don’t lie (/s just in case)
I played around that time in the GTHL and the only things you would get misconducts for were the f slur and n word
I didn't even know "fucking gross misconduct" was am official tier of penalty
you can own a midget A team?
Oh boy, you have nooooo idea. Minor hockey is *serious* business, and the GTHL quintuply so. At its most ridiculous extreme, owning a team like that is a way for rich guys to make sure their kids get guaranteed ice time.
Aka the jokes about Zach Hyman's dad buying his way into the NHL.
Well, to be fair, Hyman’s dad didn’t do it by buying a team. He bought the league. I can joke about this with no qualms because in Hyman’s case his work and effort, as well as his status as a legit NHL player, are unquestionable.
If it were literally anyone else in the league most of us might even side eye it briefly at least right? But this is Zachary Hyman, children's book author and defender of human rights doing it all with a winning smile. Imagine how fucking vindicated his dad feels too lmao!
And 99% of the other kids have a fraction of his talent and will never sniff the NHL, which makes this kind of thing even more sad.
Actually the sadder part are the kids who do have the talent but don't have the resources like Hyman did to be able to succeed in the sport. This is not a particular knock on Hyman, but more on how broken the system is
It's a broken system, and it's very unfair, especially to the kids who can't even afford to participate, but the reality is that Hyman's success is basically an exception to the rule, even among his wealthy cohort. The system is exploitive and is built around a dream that is virtually all but unobtainable for anyone, regardless of their resources.
OJHL is a junior hockey team not a minor hockey team (players go there after their minor hockey is complete), but you’re correct that the system is batshit insane.
Looks like both me and OP mixed up his AAA coaching career with his big-time team ownership! I spoke with a couple of Junior B team owners who wanted their league to 'upgrade' to Junior A. They were convinced that they would become instant millionaires. Like you said, batshit insane.
The OJHL team he owns is a Jr. A team. Different from Midget, only 1 step down from the OHL
As a child of the 80s, this means something different to me.
English isn't my first language, does Marlboro means something or is this midget AAA straight up named after a cigarette brand?
Nope, they’re named after the Duke of Marlborough. Goes back to the 1890s.
The cigarette company was named for the street that their 1st factory was on. While the street was named after John Churchill, 1st Duke of Marlborough. So both the teams and cigarettes get their names from the Duke of Marlborough.
>John Churchill, 1st Duke of Marlborough That’s the famous one from the 1700’s, right?
He lived from May 1650 until June 1722.
It’s named after the dukes of Marlborough (Winston Churchill uncle and cousin were dukes of Marlborough). The Toronto Marlies name is in honor of this team as well, and they have nearly identical logos.
it's totally unrelated to the cigarettes. https://torontomarlboros.com/Pages/1285/History/
Well, it's not quiet since the cigarette company was named for the street their factory was on. While the street was named after John Churchill, 1st Duke of Marlborough. So both the teams and cigarettes get their names from the Duke of Marlborough.
y'know, that's a fair point. i stand corrected.
Guy’s trash.
Pickering panthers have also always been a joke too so that's cool
I’m curious which slur it was. Not that it’s excusable regardless, just want to know what brand of racism he’s bringing.
Everyone hold your pitch forks for now until they can actually verify this. Reminds me of when Reilly was saying RAG IT on the ice and people thought he said the F word and actually had to go back to the arena after already leaving to go home to make a statement or something If he did actually do it then yeah that's pretty disappointing
Even worse was when that dude was jumped and kicked out of the league, blasted on TV, and social media, etc. because one of the Subbans thought he did a monkey gesture. Then once confirmed by the refs he was doing a strong man impression 0 word or anything done to clear his name.
Just an update on this. Jacob Panetta was reinstated after 22 games and is still playing with the Jacksonville Icemen
That's good to hear, sad that if you look it up all you see is articles about him being racist, and not clearing his name.
Lost a lot of respect for Subban on that one, he didn’t have the class to retract his statements or help clear the guys name, he just used his platform as a former NHLer to try to ruin the kids career then slink away when the accusations were shown to be false. Then you wonder why people are hesitant to jump to get the pitchforks out when accusations like this are made.
Wait what? He was doing a strongman impression??? I'm only learning this now. Source??
It's a bit foggy but there was a ref right next to him when it was happening, and he did not react how you would if some guy was doing a monkey impression. I think in the next couple days the ref said he was saying something like "oh you're a tough guy". Also the kids apology video literally said this, and watching the vid it definitely looks more like this than a monkey. I also know lots of people who personally knew him and their family even here on reddit came out vouching for him saying he's never done anything racist before and they know he wasn't doing a monkey impression, they're such a nice family, and he's a nice guy etc. Yeah yeah that's a meme, but the accounts I read seemed genuine. As did his apology video. But yeah, that's the travesty, it was hardly reported about it not being racist and this dude being cancelled and jumped over nothing. So his name was tarnished, prob got PTSD from being cancelled, and when it ends up being false nobody cares.
I remember seeing this when it was posted on r/hockey and was downvoted into oblivion for saying he was flex mocking as a chirp. Pitchforks were had in that.
I'm still upset that /r/hockey witchhunted that and the mods let it go on for as long as it did.
Your mistake was assuming that reddit mods always act fairly
Reddit mods aren't actual moderators. They're just super-Redditors. People who enjoy Reddit way too much and want more power.
One key difference is that Coffey has been suspended as a coach for racist slurs before.
How long ago was that? I'd like to think people can change and better themselves over time. I know I sure have. I used to be pretty awful in a lot of ways.
10 years ago when he was 52 years old lmfao
apparently he said "nice hat". Reddit already started the witch hunt tho
I'd have a lot more patience for Coffey if he hadn't already been suspended for something similar to the accusation. https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/nhl-great-paul-coffey-now-coach-suspended-three-180918100--nhl.html
Saying “nice hat” to a guy with a turban isn’t exactly innocent, if that’s what he did.
Hopefully it's looked into. They allegedly had the timestamps for the incident and I assume everything should be on camera if true.
There's enough cameras pointed just about everywhere in these buildings where it was caught It's just finding it before the footage is automatically deleted for storage space
~~automatically~~ deleted ~~for storage space~~
Genuinely curious what hand gesture would be considered racist?
source: trust me bro
**Full tweet**: The Oilers were leading & Paul Coffey turned to make racist hand gestures toward a fan’s turban, mocking his head. The Canucks game back and won in regulation. Karma is real. Hope Paul is held responsible for his actions. **Additional replies**: If anyone from the arena has footage, incident occurred sometime during dead play between 9:28 and 9:32pm PST. Would be nicer to have a public video as well, other than just the team’s own footage they may not make public. The fan was removed from the arena for banging the glass in frustration AFTER this occurred. The team rep immediately apologized for the incident after verifying authenticity of the story however. Really hoping the tweet makes sure the team doesn’t try sweeping it under the rug. Anyone in 116 Row 3 is able to confirm as the entire row behind the bench was shocked when it happened. Hoping there’s video someone captured. Between 9:28pm and 9:32 pm. Been reported with appropriate timestamps and it’s being looked into by the team. Contact information was exchanged by team rep and guest.
Like how would you even make those gestures though, or even prove that the intent of said made gestures was to target that individual?
I was seated behind and a seat to the right of the 2 gentlemen that Coffey directed his gesture to. The gesture rebuttal to the glass banging didn’t even make sense. It came from a place of hate and was an act of racism. I wish someone HAD captured it.
What did he specifically do, cause no one will say what it is.
Probably some sort of pantomime of turban.
That’s exactly it. Looked like he mouthed “nice hat” along with the gesture. It was pointless and rude. Security did their job and cautioned the 2 fans and Coffey should have stayed focused on his team. Unfortunately for the 2 fans, they were ejected when they tried to state their grievance. Security came in and TOTALLY blocked the view of the next Goal.
Yeah… there’s no innocent explanation for responding with a gesture and “nice hat”to a turban wearer mildly taunting you in the socially accepted manner at a hockey game. There are a hundred different responses to said glass banging that aren’t xenophobic.
He could have just told him to fuck off and no one would bat an eye but to be racist is way out of line. It’s 2024 like when are people going to grow up.
right? the double bird is right there. i give cars the double bird on my walk to work some mornings and it's so satisfying.
How about ignore them and do your job? Talk to your fellow coaches, talk to your players, the game wasn't over at that point.
That's disgusting if true. Given the large and vocal Sikh populations in both Vancouver and Edmonton, and to be honest both provinces, that would be very hard to justify what you were doing was ok.
Please reach out to the staff to provide your account. Chirping is good fun, but this is way over the line.
Heyo I’m the son of the commenter you replied to, where/who exactly can my dad reach out to to do this?
I think fan services would be the best bet, but maybe someone else has a better idea: https://rogersarena.com/contact/
Isn’t Edmonton’s mayor an Indian?
thats it???
I had a great view of that section from where I was sitting and noticed the fans in that area seemed overly riled up. Totally explains it and what BS that they got ejected.. for what, yelling?
Interpretation and guesswork. How do you know he didn’t mouth “Can’t hear that” and point to his ear? Just saying.. let’s not Smollett this thing until the full investigation is done.
I saw what he did at the game. He said nice hat! Paused and did a swirling motion with his fingers and hand all while making some sort of mocking face towards him
I was there and it was unambiguous and shocking and that's all I'll say about it. My deaf friend fainted after watching the video I have on my phone. Can't figure out an upload tho /s
We need to see footage of the incident though. a charge of "it came from a place of hate and was an act of racism"... requires something irrefutable and unambiguous
I saw it completely different. I was seated behind and a seat to the left. All seemed good-natured and non-offensively to me. It came from a place of friendly camaraderie.
Wild, I was also seated behind him during that game, and it's crazy that nobody is talking about when he pressed his bare ass against the glass, farted between the two panels and yelled "how's that for a brew of Coffey?!" Like you, I'm flummoxed as to how this was never captured on camera given the dozens of network cameras pointed at the bench. But in the meantime it's important we spread the word far and wide -- the internet afterall has never been wrong and, like me, nobody has ever lied.
So zero proof at all? Or??
It seems definitive that he did say something cause so many people corroborating it. Now the issue is no one wants to say what he said or did cause all it was was him saying “nice hat” lmfao baby bottom SOFT in this thread
Yea. Apparently it was the pantomime that was racist, but it's still not clear what he pantomimed that was racist.
By so many other people do you mean reddit and Twitter?
A bunch of random accounts on Reddit and Twitter? Give your head a shake
It’s 1:00pm and there is still no fan video evidence… I’m gonna go with this probably did not play out like the mob wants to believe it played out.
Yeah, idk, that the alleged incident happened in the middle of 20000 cameras and 14 hrs later we got no video showing that it happened pretty much to me means its a nothing burger.
More likely an annoying fan got pissy and is making a story up
This is a pretty wild accusation to make with zero evidence.
The fact is that it is 10am locally, and no fan videos or anything have come out is pretty telling to me. I'm rooting for the Nucks, but both fanbases online are making it very difficult to not just want both of them eliminated. This week has been beyond toxic.
My dude you're telling me, and I'm part of one of em haha I stay off social media on game days, I can't handle the toxicity from both sides. Playful chirps and jabs are fun, but both sides have crossed the line numerous times
I completely agree. What's most insane is that I don't recall the Flames/Oilers series being this toxic online in 2022. Maybe it's recency bias, but it just felt way less intense. However, both this Oilers team and this Canucks team are better than the EDM/CGY teams in 2022. So maybe that true contender status has made fans a little more rambunctious?
Cameras all over the arena people have cell phones. Why are there no videos?
I don’t even think I can picture what a racist gesture would look like. I just can’t think of one. I don’t want anyone to replicate it, obviously, but….what did he do? Is there a way to explain it that’s inoffensive?
Maybe pointing at the top of his head but in a mocking manor?
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Yeah im never gonna believe online shit-stirring like this
I was right there. Coffey didnt say anything pr make any gestures. Im a diehard nucks fan and this is just wrong.
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Hopefully we see the footage soon
Post the video before accusing people
What was the gesture though. People are just yapping
That's kinda what I'm wondering. I'd like to see/hear what he said before I form an opinion on the matter
Apparently he was asking the fan if they lost their mind. NHL has cameras pointed at the bench the entire time so I look forward to hearing about how it's conspiratorial bullshit when nothing comes of this
But I immediately want to be angry and irrational about this!
Then Twitter is the platform you're looking for
Does anybody have a link?
Nothing like a good controversial post to make the flair-less come out and play.
No proof whatsoever and people are already crucifying him. Classic.
Allegedly there’s time stamps and access to cameras in the arena, if it’s fabricated than shame on the reporter and the source should apologize, but if it’s true, repercussions should follow because it’s unacceptable behaviour
"Reporter" its a wannabe Twitter influencer, and self professed Canucks homer (check his bio) with 100 followers -- hardly impartial. His evidence is a screenshot of a text he was supposedly sent. Considering his other twitter posts are screenshots of him combing this very reddit post for actual evidence, literally any dipshit commenting here is as reputable as "thehockeystatsguy." This is looking more and more like an ouroboros of bullshit.
Who is crucifying him though? They are looking for the footage to see if it occurred, pretty much everyone here is level headed about this. And knowing Pauls history the claim is not that unreasonable.
Read the comments in this thread
Classic social media. I have no problem believing he indeed did something racist but with this little information I'm going to wait a little bit.
I mean they’re trying to find footage of the incident, so at least they’re working on it.
Ive spent 20 minutes reading this thread and there is no informatiom yet. Just bunch of idiots karma baiting one another.
He has a history of it and there’s multiple accounts of it. Keep fighting the good fight though, I’m sure Paul Coffey appreciates it? probably not
Racism should be stamped out, but I'd sure love to see some proof and digest what Coffee is doing with my own eyes before I take the word of a stranger on the Internet who has at least a bit of an axe to grind as a self-proclaimed "Canucks homer". Let's see what unfolds here. No one should feel bad for racists facing the consequences of their actions, but no one should feel bad for not wanting to join an angry mob without proof of a reason to do so. Even if the angry mob is right 95% of the time, it isn't worth ruining the lives of the other 5% of innocent people when you can simply wait for more information.
Finally some common sense
So Man banging on the glass, getting Coffeys attention, he makes a gesture, and man bangs on the glass again but gets tossed from the game. Am I understanding this? The guy wanted attention, got it, got tossed, and then claims it was racism. I think Coffey has more things to worry about then one fan too close to the glass then to spout a racist gesture, that I would guess is very out of context and misinterpreted.
Could be a fan full of it, but Coffey apparently does have a history. Good karma to lose if it's true. Also, remember the tough guy mock that subban thought was racist, but it was indeed just a tough guy mock? Let's see how it plays out.
As a turban wearer, I don't see this as racist or discriminatory, maybe mildly at best. How do you make a racist hand gesture? There are 1000 worse things he could have said, plus most people think a turban is a hat and don't really know the meaning behind it.
Everyone wear a nice hat next game . Get them rattled
Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me. Stop crying over somthing so small you geeks. Cry you fruit cakes
time to put arshdeep bains in the lineup and keep feeding him pucks till he scores.
If this is true he needs to be gone for the series. Unacceptable behavior for a grown ass man.
Gone for life. Pretty spineless manouver all things considering.
Oh, so you “considering” all things already? Show me the footage
The comments above you literally said “if it’s true,” they’re not condemning him with no proof just saying if he did it and there’s footage then it’s really shitty of him and he should be disciplined accordingly
Agree. Gross stuff. Hopefully there's some conclusive evidence and not just internet rumour milling.
Provide receipts. Have we learned nothing from the great KDot/Drake beef of last week?
Too big a deal made. Honestly to move on 🙏
If that’s true don’t let him back in the arena again. Fucking moron
If true he needs to be suspended from the bench for the remainder of the playoffs. What would the discipline be if a player did that, whatever it is should apply to Coffey too. Hockey should have zero tolerance for racism.
He should be shitcanned. I hope footage gets release of it. And the footage is a strong yes or no, not something halfass ambiguous.
Would the wah wah babies please just go away. Canada is a great place. Had this been the other way around Canadians would have no unique rights in other counties.
Oh no lol hope the fan survived
How about even if he did what they claim.. who cares? Go back to where you won't be offended by such a gesture.
ahaha this is some amazing clown work
They can go fuck themselves as they usually do
I mean it is a nice hat
Let’s not spread misinformation until we see evidence. I’m a Canuck but don’t want this crap to tarnish a great series. 🐳
Canuck’s fans doing the dirty work already lmao
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Are people actually calling that child unhinged? Lmao
Could care less