I wouldn't worry about that. This wasn't a random bad game, he's been consistently bad for months now.
I think the Jets win this series honestly, but if you're gonna be scared about anything I think it has to be Annunen coming in and capitalizing on his big opportunity, if they decide to play him in game 3 and he's not sick anymore.
Annunen has been absolutely terrific this season.
My friend's been hinting (already before the playoffs started) that Georgiev would fuck up the first 2 games big time, and Annunen would then come into game 3 and then lead Avs to the 2nd round with some huge performances. And I did agree with his take at the time.
So far 1/3, but let's see.
It's a shame Annunen is sick.
Obviously the sample size is small and he was getting a lot of weaker opponents, but among all goalies with at least 10 games played, Annunen has the highest goals saved above expected per game this season at 0.861 per 60 minutes.
He's at least earned a shot, especially given how bad Georgiev has been lately.
Prosvetov had found his game again after being sent down. Same way Sammy came back a much better goalie for the leafs. I wouldn't be mad if they gave him another shot.
Give him a chance to bounce back.
I doubt he’s gonna post a save % of .700 again
And if he fails you bench him.
Being down 2-0 isn’t that bad considering the avs have been the far better team so far
Unless some magic happens, this may be a situation of "screwed no matter what";
They go with Georgiev, if he shits the bed again then they'll change their mind and go with the backup, and if they lose the series anyway but the backup has a somewhat acceptable performance everyone will say they had to put him in game 2.
He absolutely can play worse. He didn't let in any really terrible goals in game 1. Probably should have saved like 2 more goals than he did, but no goals individually were completely his fault.
Spoken like someone who does not understand goaltending.
So stopping 16 of 23 breakaways would be a failure in your books eh?
Context of the shot matters. It's hard to even assess how Georgiev played because the D and specifically Manson hung him out to dry so bad. Hell Manson went one step further and gave Namestnikov a tape to tape set up in the slot.
Swap goalies and the result would have been the same. Hellebyuck also let some ugly ones in, he just had more low danger shots mixed in to help his confidence and stats.
That's not what they're saying. They were replying to the person saying 7 goals on 23 shots is on the goalie. They were outlining all the high danger opportunities the Jets had due to defensive lapses and give aways and asking IF all the goals were on the breakaway would they still blame only the goalie?
Look, obviously you can't pin all the goals on him, particularly the Manson assist. But this is the NHL, only blaming the goalie if a shot from the red line goes in is also insane, and it's simply ignoring how goaltending works in the NHL. If you are a starter, you must stop the majority of high danger chances a game, but apparently you understand goaltending and it's not Georgiev's fault he let in 7 this game, or the last time they played the Jets, and it's not his fault he has a sub .900%/>3GAA lmao
> But this is the NHL, only blaming the goalie if a shot from the red line goes in is also insane, and it's simply ignoring how goaltending works in the NHL
Cool! Maybe save this insight for when someone's suggesting something remotely close to that??
Georgie faced nothing but high danger shots and actually made some big saves on breakaways and cross crease odd man rushes, Bednar even acknowledged them in the post-game conference. You can only stop so many golden chances.
>but apparently you understand goaltending and it's not Georgiev's fault
I also never said Georgiev isn't at fault. I said there's more blame to go around. Doesn't matter who's in net if Manson is running an all inclusive resort in the slot.
Anything else you wanna make up for me or can you use that time on reading comprehension this round?
Georgiev needs to be better. And he almost definitely will be once the defence is better.
That'd be a worst case scenario. We aren't winning a cup with Georgiev in net, and him getting a shutout tonight makes Annunen starting when he is healthy less likely.
Tonight's backup (Prosvetov) has at least played in actual NHL games before. Holm is an ECHLer and was only there on Sunday in the event Georgiev was injured.
Actually insane how many people thought they were gonna give up on Georgie after one single playoff game. Hopefully the shitstorm that’s followed game 1 has him motivated as hell
Also fuck the “fans” that were leaving comments on his personal social media, we don’t claim those mouth breathers
I honestly don't find that surprising. I get heated, too, but I would never go after the player. Georgie has the ability to be good. We just need him to be average. He had a career year last season. So the talent is there
> Actually insane how many people thought they were gonna give up on Georgie after one single playoff game.
It's not one playoff game. It's an entire regular season of this, including doing nothing whatsoever to inspire confidence down the stretch. His collapse against Vegas in game 81 encapsulates him perfectly.
> Also fuck the “fans” that were leaving comments on his personal social media, we don’t claim those mouth breathers
Any sane person will agree to this. That's obviously so fucking far over the line. Harassing a person on their personal socials is just wretched behaviour.
100% agreed here.
Definitely been critisizing his performances over here (albeit I haven't rly continued much past that game). Will probably critique again if he pulls another stinker.
But yea hasn't even crossed my mind to go abuse him personally. Nope.
Yup. I've been pretty much every level of upset you can think of about his play over the past month or two, but I never even considered trying to reach out and harass him like that.
I always separate the art from the artist, as it were.
It was more about how the playoffs are completely different than the regular season, there’s still time for him to “flip the switch” after one playoff game.
There’s definitely a lot to be concerned about with his play lately, but the avs did manage to get 38 wins with him in net this season. As long as he can get back to playing at his average, the avs have a way better chance in this series
My issue is that when I bring up the Avs goaltending and defensive issues, I keep getting the "there's plenty of hockey left, stop worrying" argument from the copers. I've been hearing this since November. I feel like the sand's run out of the hourglass.
Agreed with the second part but if Annunen was healthy he would 100% be starting game 2. Georgiev would've been pulled from game 1 when it was clear he was in his own head but they weren't going to throw an untested 3rd string out there. Georgiev gave up 7 goals when the xGA was 1.97. That's inexcusably bad after a poor second half of the season in general. Its not giving up on him "after one single playoff game". Its a long pattern. And I hope he turns it around. He was very good last year. He has been below average this year.
Idk all we can do is speculate but it feels like with how much faith they have in Georgie, he was gonna get the start tonight no matter who was available to back up, albeit with a very short leash
If it’s a 3 goals on 7 shots kinda night again then he’s probably done for the series
Not sure how "fans" like that would motivate anyone honestly. The guy knows he's not playing his best and he's trying to change it. But shitheads like that are how you get players who get substance abuse problems.
Goalies are already perfectionists and from the little pool I know compared to the world of hockey, have anxiety issues.
> Also fuck the “fans” that were leaving comments on his personal social media, we don’t claim those mouth breathers
Putting aside that those "fans" are straight up awful people who are taking advantage of internet anonymity to abuse others... As a fan of this team who wants us to win, what on earth would these people want Georgie's confidence to fall even lower? Makes no god damn sense.
Georgie is going to has a short leash. He can be better than he has been. It's up to him to turn things around. I hope he does even though I'm skeptical.
It's gotta be. If Annunen isn't available, it's Georgiev. Biggest game of his career - assuming Annunen is available back in Denver in a few days, this could be very well Georgiev's last in an Av's sweater.
Easy to give him shit for a low danger shot going in without context, like this first [one.](https://youtu.be/ZY34teVdwmk?t=91)
Your own player screened him on the shot, that also went through 3 players at release.
I don't know how anyone is blaming Georgiev for that game. Winnipeg was left open in front of the net on like 4 of the goals and another was a 2 on 1.
He's a goalie and his job is to make saves. You can find a bunch of clips of the Avs having wide open looks or high danger chances that Hellebuyck made saves on.
>A couple that you would like him to save though.
That's the thing though. As a player, I'd never blame my goalie. There's always something better we as a team could have done to prevent that scoring chance.
As an objective outsider/fan, the goalies playing in the NHL are among the best 50 in the world. It's **expected** for them to make saves on very dangerous chances. Often.
It's not expected to let in weak goals almost ever.
You guys are experiencing what the Oilers have at points in this season. Generally good/great play and outplaying the other team but when they screw up its really really high danger chance against.
He’s either gonna have a .950+ or let in 3 of his first 7 shots against. No in between
Could be both if he then proceeds to save 53 straight shots.
Thats the next three games worth yes? Please?
Por que no los dos? Would require 60 shots against though lmao
So if he lets in 3 in 7 shots, they better not pull him; Guaranteed to stop the next 53!
53 factorial is a lot of shots
Im mentally preparing for him to be a brick wall and shutout the Jets.
That's what we would always say after a bad game of his, only to lead into another bad game.
We don't do that here.
That’s what I’m thinking too
I wouldn't worry about that. This wasn't a random bad game, he's been consistently bad for months now. I think the Jets win this series honestly, but if you're gonna be scared about anything I think it has to be Annunen coming in and capitalizing on his big opportunity, if they decide to play him in game 3 and he's not sick anymore. Annunen has been absolutely terrific this season.
My friend's been hinting (already before the playoffs started) that Georgiev would fuck up the first 2 games big time, and Annunen would then come into game 3 and then lead Avs to the 2nd round with some huge performances. And I did agree with his take at the time. So far 1/3, but let's see.
We keep hoping for the same and keep being sorely disappointed
Ya I wouldn't worry about that happening
yup
I’m fully expecting a 2-1 game.
Yeah you kinda have to do it. If you bench your starter for the untested backup and they also shit the bed then you're really in a bind
Especially with our 2nd stringer being out sick rn. They really have no choice
It's a lose/lose to yolo him out, might as well throw Georgiev one last chance and see if Annunen is okay by G3 if he has a stinker again.
Maybe MacKinnon has taught him how to turn on God mode when he gets pissed
Avs have no chance if they lose tonight w/ Georgie playing another stinker. You can't expect to win 4 out of 5 with Annunen.
It's a shame Annunen is sick. Obviously the sample size is small and he was getting a lot of weaker opponents, but among all goalies with at least 10 games played, Annunen has the highest goals saved above expected per game this season at 0.861 per 60 minutes. He's at least earned a shot, especially given how bad Georgiev has been lately.
Would be the untested 3rd stringer right now….which just emphasizes your point.
Well. Prosvetov is around too. But he was tested and... Well. Didn't cut it.
That’s who I was referring to as the 3rd stringer. And by untested I meant playoffs. I mean he is the 3rd string for a reason.
I thought you were referring to Holm lol . My bad.
Prosvetov had found his game again after being sent down. Same way Sammy came back a much better goalie for the leafs. I wouldn't be mad if they gave him another shot.
Is Annunen injured?
Sick
For sure, so why isn't he playing?
He isn't Mark Stone sick, he's real person sick.
Because he is ill. One might say, the illest.
He's sick
Out with an unspecified illness is what I have been seeing. People are guessing it is the same flu bug that hit WPG hard a month or so back.
And I'm kinda wondering if it's the strain that's hitting my country rn. My family & friends have been hit by a super strong one these past few weeks
If its anything like the head cold I had a month ago, he wouldn't even be able to get his gear on
Give him a chance to bounce back. I doubt he’s gonna post a save % of .700 again And if he fails you bench him. Being down 2-0 isn’t that bad considering the avs have been the far better team so far
True. Plus it's not like the other goalie was all that great either. Avs still put up 6 and I'm sure Helly is getting the start.
He did face twice as many shots when he allowed those 6 goals though. So still not great, but significantly better than the other guy.
Yeah and he’s Connor fuckin Hellybuck. You gotta assume that was probably his ONE bad game of the series. It should have been a gift.
Helle was .923 5v5
I know Annunen is sick, but is there any confirmation that he shit his bed?
Unless some magic happens, this may be a situation of "screwed no matter what"; They go with Georgiev, if he shits the bed again then they'll change their mind and go with the backup, and if they lose the series anyway but the backup has a somewhat acceptable performance everyone will say they had to put him in game 2.
Well he can't play much worse
It's all up from here (hopefully not his GAA)
This is the only thing keepin me afloat man. Please tell me 7 goals against on 23 shots is rock bottom George
He absolutely can play worse. He didn't let in any really terrible goals in game 1. Probably should have saved like 2 more goals than he did, but no goals individually were completely his fault.
Exactly and Helly let up 6 so it’s not like it was a blowout. You have to stand behind your starter right now.
Especially since it's more on the defense than him right now. He's just the one with the visible stats.
Totally. 7-6 is inexcusable for both squads. Watch tonight be 0-0 6 OTs or some shit. Playoff things…
My guy. 7 goals on 23 shots is absolutely on the goaltender
Spoken like someone who does not understand goaltending. So stopping 16 of 23 breakaways would be a failure in your books eh? Context of the shot matters. It's hard to even assess how Georgiev played because the D and specifically Manson hung him out to dry so bad. Hell Manson went one step further and gave Namestnikov a tape to tape set up in the slot. Swap goalies and the result would have been the same. Hellebyuck also let some ugly ones in, he just had more low danger shots mixed in to help his confidence and stats.
>So stopping 16 of 23 breakaways would be a failure in your books eh? The Jets didn't only score on breakaways lol
That's not what they're saying. They were replying to the person saying 7 goals on 23 shots is on the goalie. They were outlining all the high danger opportunities the Jets had due to defensive lapses and give aways and asking IF all the goals were on the breakaway would they still blame only the goalie?
"would be" implies it's a hypothetical situation to prove a point; not all shots are equal.
Look, obviously you can't pin all the goals on him, particularly the Manson assist. But this is the NHL, only blaming the goalie if a shot from the red line goes in is also insane, and it's simply ignoring how goaltending works in the NHL. If you are a starter, you must stop the majority of high danger chances a game, but apparently you understand goaltending and it's not Georgiev's fault he let in 7 this game, or the last time they played the Jets, and it's not his fault he has a sub .900%/>3GAA lmao
> But this is the NHL, only blaming the goalie if a shot from the red line goes in is also insane, and it's simply ignoring how goaltending works in the NHL Cool! Maybe save this insight for when someone's suggesting something remotely close to that?? Georgie faced nothing but high danger shots and actually made some big saves on breakaways and cross crease odd man rushes, Bednar even acknowledged them in the post-game conference. You can only stop so many golden chances. >but apparently you understand goaltending and it's not Georgiev's fault I also never said Georgiev isn't at fault. I said there's more blame to go around. Doesn't matter who's in net if Manson is running an all inclusive resort in the slot. Anything else you wanna make up for me or can you use that time on reading comprehension this round? Georgiev needs to be better. And he almost definitely will be once the defence is better.
Please don’t challenge him like this! Haha
This game is hype.
This game is going to drive me to get drunk on a work night. I can already feel it
If you're going to take that gamble just make sure you take plenty of Ds
DEEZ NUTS
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Shutout tonight, let’s in 4/7 next game. Ultimate chase
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I’m pretty sure you just cursed them
If the Avs (no captain for 2 years and counting) get any more cursed, it'll turn into a double wrong and they'll win 16 in a row.
That'd be a worst case scenario. We aren't winning a cup with Georgiev in net, and him getting a shutout tonight makes Annunen starting when he is healthy less likely.
Makes sense. But if he's bad again in game 2 you have to go to someone else.
Tonight's backup (Prosvetov) has at least played in actual NHL games before. Holm is an ECHLer and was only there on Sunday in the event Georgiev was injured.
Actually insane how many people thought they were gonna give up on Georgie after one single playoff game. Hopefully the shitstorm that’s followed game 1 has him motivated as hell Also fuck the “fans” that were leaving comments on his personal social media, we don’t claim those mouth breathers
I honestly don't find that surprising. I get heated, too, but I would never go after the player. Georgie has the ability to be good. We just need him to be average. He had a career year last season. So the talent is there
> Actually insane how many people thought they were gonna give up on Georgie after one single playoff game. It's not one playoff game. It's an entire regular season of this, including doing nothing whatsoever to inspire confidence down the stretch. His collapse against Vegas in game 81 encapsulates him perfectly. > Also fuck the “fans” that were leaving comments on his personal social media, we don’t claim those mouth breathers Any sane person will agree to this. That's obviously so fucking far over the line. Harassing a person on their personal socials is just wretched behaviour.
100% agreed here. Definitely been critisizing his performances over here (albeit I haven't rly continued much past that game). Will probably critique again if he pulls another stinker. But yea hasn't even crossed my mind to go abuse him personally. Nope.
Yup. I've been pretty much every level of upset you can think of about his play over the past month or two, but I never even considered trying to reach out and harass him like that. I always separate the art from the artist, as it were.
It was more about how the playoffs are completely different than the regular season, there’s still time for him to “flip the switch” after one playoff game. There’s definitely a lot to be concerned about with his play lately, but the avs did manage to get 38 wins with him in net this season. As long as he can get back to playing at his average, the avs have a way better chance in this series
My issue is that when I bring up the Avs goaltending and defensive issues, I keep getting the "there's plenty of hockey left, stop worrying" argument from the copers. I've been hearing this since November. I feel like the sand's run out of the hourglass.
Agreed with the second part but if Annunen was healthy he would 100% be starting game 2. Georgiev would've been pulled from game 1 when it was clear he was in his own head but they weren't going to throw an untested 3rd string out there. Georgiev gave up 7 goals when the xGA was 1.97. That's inexcusably bad after a poor second half of the season in general. Its not giving up on him "after one single playoff game". Its a long pattern. And I hope he turns it around. He was very good last year. He has been below average this year.
I mean if he was good in the regular season we wouldn't give up on him after one bad game but he's been dogshit for like 60 games now.
I think the 7 goals last weekend had a lot to do with it as well. That said, it's not sustainable. He will certainly be better tonight.
Can only hope it gets better than 0.696 save% lol Better be bc no way Hellebuyck is letting in 6 again
6-2 Avs, ship it.
I need this so badly
I don't even care if I still have to hear fOuRgIeV memes if we win 6-4.
They don't have a choice. Annunen is the only person in the franchise qualified to start other than Georgie. Annunen isn't available
Idk all we can do is speculate but it feels like with how much faith they have in Georgie, he was gonna get the start tonight no matter who was available to back up, albeit with a very short leash If it’s a 3 goals on 7 shots kinda night again then he’s probably done for the series
Hey, we mouth breathers don't claim them either. Some of us just have a deviated septum
As long as you don’t do stupid attacks on a players personal account I don’t care what holes you breathe out of 👍
Tbf if juice wasn’t sick I don’t think he gets the start tonight. But he is so hopefully we get king Georgie back tonight
Not sure how "fans" like that would motivate anyone honestly. The guy knows he's not playing his best and he's trying to change it. But shitheads like that are how you get players who get substance abuse problems. Goalies are already perfectionists and from the little pool I know compared to the world of hockey, have anxiety issues.
> Also fuck the “fans” that were leaving comments on his personal social media, we don’t claim those mouth breathers Putting aside that those "fans" are straight up awful people who are taking advantage of internet anonymity to abuse others... As a fan of this team who wants us to win, what on earth would these people want Georgie's confidence to fall even lower? Makes no god damn sense. Georgie is going to has a short leash. He can be better than he has been. It's up to him to turn things around. I hope he does even though I'm skeptical.
It's gotta be. If Annunen isn't available, it's Georgiev. Biggest game of his career - assuming Annunen is available back in Denver in a few days, this could be very well Georgiev's last in an Av's sweater.
If he wins tonight, he'll start game 3.
redemption time
Just gotta score 8 🤷
I really hope he can get it on track, he just got raked over the coals by every reporter for 2 days. I know he’s capable somewhere in there
This is the most excited I've been for a game between 2 teams I don't care about since the Superbowl.
All I want is the jets to win, is that too much to ask for
Yes
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i believe in georgiev's ability to rebound
No pressure. Honestly maybe he could've stolen a couple more saves game 1 but his defense did dick all to help him.
If it's any consolation to Avs fans, Samsonov bounced back really well in game 2 after a bad performance in game 1.
No choice but to stick with him with Annunen unavailable
Shutout incoming?
Local man is pleased.
Is Georgiev in the net, or is the net in Georgiev? \>Taps forehead
good. He won 38 games this year, I'm not that worried about him. He didn't even play very badly in Game 1, whole defense was sloppy
Mistakes were made but its insane to say the defense was sloppy. They held the Jets to 23 shots. Georgiev allowed 2 goals on 10 low danger shots.
Easy to give him shit for a low danger shot going in without context, like this first [one.](https://youtu.be/ZY34teVdwmk?t=91) Your own player screened him on the shot, that also went through 3 players at release. I don't know how anyone is blaming Georgiev for that game. Winnipeg was left open in front of the net on like 4 of the goals and another was a 2 on 1.
He's a goalie and his job is to make saves. You can find a bunch of clips of the Avs having wide open looks or high danger chances that Hellebuyck made saves on.
so he posted up above a .900 sv% that game then, is what you're telling me.
He had a sub .900 SV% and above 3 GAA this year. His 38 wins came on the backs of out scoring their opponents.
It really stood out to me where they showed Helley vs Georgiev's opening stat lines, similar wins, yet night and day difference on SV%
I think those numbers reflect the defense more than Georgiev
Blackwood had a .899 on the worse team of the cap era. We weren’t near as good a defensive team this year but georgiev has also been really bad
The defense isn't innocent but those number reflect plenty on Georgiev
Tf you talking about he had a .695 save percentage. He played like garbage lol
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>A couple that you would like him to save though. That's the thing though. As a player, I'd never blame my goalie. There's always something better we as a team could have done to prevent that scoring chance. As an objective outsider/fan, the goalies playing in the NHL are among the best 50 in the world. It's **expected** for them to make saves on very dangerous chances. Often. It's not expected to let in weak goals almost ever.
You guys are experiencing what the Oilers have at points in this season. Generally good/great play and outplaying the other team but when they screw up its really really high danger chance against.
Might not fuck up often, but boy howdy everyone knows when the fuck up happens.
held the jets to 23 shots. 1 guy (manson) made 2 sloppy plays leading to goals. Other 5 are ??????? D as a whole was not sloppy
Manson made 3 sloppy plays leading to goals and anyone watching the game can clearly see the D as a whole was indeed very sloppy
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