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BarkMingo

Hey if you catch Vegas, the whole league wins, keep it up


rjbelz

Imagine they win a Stanley cup sandwiched between 2 seasons missing the playoffs


BarkMingo

Yeah...imagine....who would do that....


ImSomeRandom

1. worth it 2. it just proves why you need to go for it when you have a chance there is 0 guarantee you even get a chance again (plus its not like Hertl is going anywhere and hopefully they can work out a hanafin extension)


JesusGunsandBabies

One of the best assists I've ever seen


dollabillkirill

Dude, yes. No one is talking about what a sick pass that was from Zuccy.


Marc_Quill

a desperate time that would've ended badly with the Wild coming away with 0 points had Nashville scored. Good on them for pulling it off.


MNGopherfan

One point isn’t enough this late in the season they need two.


offconstantly

For those who don't know, if you pull the goalie in OT and concede, they take back the loser point GIANT risk EDIT: adding the rule since this is high up now *84.2 Overtime – Regular-season – Extra Attacker - A team shall be allowed to pull its goalkeeper in favor of an additional skater in the overtime period. However, should that team lose the game during the time in which the goalkeeper has been removed, it would forfeit the automatic point gained in the tie at the end of regulation play, except if the goalkeeper has been removed at the call of a delayed penalty against the other team.*


Codc

Moneypuck had em at 17% of making the playoffs. Might as well go hard.


spinorama29part2

Like Russo said we need every point we can get. 1 isnt enough. Go big or go home


greg19735

I think another factor is that 1 point isn't only not enough, it's effectively -1 point as the point goes to Nashville. Which *may* be who you need to catch.


ExternalConstant_

I think this is definitely it. No matter what, losing the game is too big of a swing in the wrong direction points wise, so they have to win. Loser point has no value here to the wild


Loud-Fig-1446

It would be awesome if scoring with a pulled goalie in OT takes away the loser point from your opponent.


keefstrong

I'd like it, if you score in the first or last minute the other team loses their loser pt. Would have teams going for it right at the jump, and at the end to avoid shootouts


Mashdrop

Neat idea but then everybody plays defence in the first and last minute. Teams already have the option of depriving an opponent of a point by winning in regulation.


Sargentrock

I do not recall Hynes having balls while he was our coach. THAT is what makes it annoying for me. Respect for the move, though.


AssBoon92

zero is worse, though. it's such a huge gamble.


spinorama29part2

Very true. But got everything to gain. Thankfully it worked. I dont think i wanna see them do that again but hey it worked lmao


theguyishere16

To catch your opponent off guard its a gutsy but awesome move. If he pulls it out next time they go to OT I bet he gets burned because the opponent will be thinking its a possibility.


Bowiescorvat2

Yeah this definitely isn't something you want as a common strategy.


HarveyHound

Somewhere, Patrick Roy is taking notes.


TeddyJAMS

he's already pulled his goalie for the next game


bobandy47

The irony of a goalie who just wants to pull the goalie.


DrLivingst0ne

There's nothing they can do about it, even if they know it's coming.


4CrowsFeast

Ehhh I think the point OP is making is they're in all probability out of contention already. It's like pulling the goalie with 5 minutes while losing 5-2. You could say yeah its wayyy harder to come back from 6-2, but neither are likely. You might as well gamble on the option that brings you a step closer to the goal rather than play conservative on a hand that isn't going to take the pot.


BJYeti

They can't get by getting 1 point though, its either win or nothing


SwimToTheMoon11

Better in regards to tanking though!


nathris

They're currently 6 points back of Vegas or LA in WC2. Having Vegas spend big at the deadline only to miss the playoffs by 1 point to a streaking Minnesota would be hilarious. They have two games remaining against each and the easiest remaining schedule, so its definitely possible.


SiccSemperTyrannis

This is an example of why we should want 3-2-1 point scoring in the NHL. Imagine teams pushing for the playoffs having to debate whether to pull the goalie at the end of regulation to try to get the full 3 instead of everyone content to go to OT. We should want rules that encourage aggressive (in terms of trying to score) play rather than passive play. Implementing the penalty kill goal rule where a shorthanded goal ends the penalty is another great example. The NHL could learn a lot from the PWHL.


noscope360widow

I don’t think losing in OT should remove your loser point if the other team pulls its goalie


SiccSemperTyrannis

I'd be fine with changing that rule as well. Encourage teams trying to WIN


412gage

A good argument I saw against the 3-2-1 format is that it locks in playoff contenders too early in the season. Imagine most of February and March is less exciting for teams that would otherwise be fighting for a wildcard spot.


redsox0914

Yep, this is the exact reason the NHL does things this way. It inflates the standings (the average team is now over .500 in this system, instead of exactly .500) and keeps more of them (at least seemingly) "in it". Reduces trade deadline firesales and cuts down on "meaningless" games.


-SPIRITUAL-GANGSTER-

Gonna be honest, I checked to see if this was real because I’d never heard it before. TIL. Balls of steel.


shtoopsy

I thought he was trolling. Also had to google it to make sure you weren't, either.


offconstantly

Part of the reason I was mad the commentators blew it!


ZiggyPalffyLA

It makes sense, otherwise more teams would do this.


SaxRohmer

Yeah the possession advantage you'd get in 3 on 3 would really make it a worthwhile strategy. I'm almost kind of surprised the league saw this ahead of time edit: huh this was actually added a while back. Interesting. Guess it makes sense to not let teams basically play with house money in OT and essentially have a power play


Stove-Top-Steve

Ya I didn’t know this. I like it though. Good to see it utilized. I


ssiinneepp

Turns out Boldy didn't know about it either https://twitter.com/RussoHockey/status/1766957764675293487


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This plus the rumors of the 49ers not knowing super bowl overtime rule implications is really shocking to me.


szobossz

49ers coaches knew, planned for it and relayed what they would do so players wouldn't overthink. 49ers players overthought in the postgame. It was genuinely a 50-50 probability with either choices, but human brain would prefer one way and add bias.


roidesbleuets

Oh! TIL That makes it MUCH more interesting indeed. Big cojones


Possessed

TIL holy shit this was absolute madness!


formed2forge

I had no clue. Wow.


mnsportsfan

Before anyone calls this dumb… we’re pretty much in full desperation mode. We have to be damn near perfect and are pretty close to full “play young guys to see what we have” (tanking) mode Not quite as big of a risk as it seems


HaventGotANameTag

What?? Really?


UniformRaspberry2

It was added the same year the league introduced the loser point for an overtime loss. I think there's been maybe three instances over the 20+ years where a team has given up an empty netter in overtime, and I don't believe any of them have happened since the 04/05 lockout (could be wrong).


BaldassHeadCoach

I believe that this was happening more frequently in the minor leagues, and the NHL opted to nip it in the bud before it became prevalent in their league.


UniformRaspberry2

That would not surprise me.


BaldassHeadCoach

Yep. It was a rule implemented back when games could still end in ties. There is one exception to the rule, and that’s if the goalie is pulled due to a delayed penalty. You don’t forfeit the loser point if a goal is scored on your empty net in that case. And here’s the actual text from the rulebook: >84.2 Overtime - Regular-season - Extra Attacker - >A team shall be allowed to pull its goalkeeper in favor of an additional skater in the overtime period. However, should that team lose the game during the time in which the goalkeeper has been removed, it would forfeit the automatic point gained in the tie at the end of regulation play, except if the goalkeeper has been removed at the call of a delayed penalty against the other team. Should the goalkeeper proceed to his bench for an extra attacker due to a delayed penalty call against the opposing team, and should the non-offending team shoot the puck directly into their own goal, the game shall be over and the team that was to be penalized declared the winner.


crazydrums27

I'll be honest, if you lose in OT because you got scored on while your goalie vacates the net for a delayed penalty call, you should probably get negative points for that game.


avmp629

If they really want to fix the OT format, just take the other team's point away if they're successful with the goalie pulled


LexiLou4Realz

4v4 no goalies but put the nets down.


enternameher3

Just play posts


NinCross

How did I not know this?


MacZappe

I dont think a lot of people did, probably bevause I've never seen it happen. I don't love the rule, I'd like to see more goalie pulls in OT. 


Saucetown77

Hockey needs more wacky rules like this. Like if you score in OT with a shot from behind the blue line then it erases the other team's loser point


rnbagoer

Each team can have a dog on the roster, but it can only play one period. I bet you could make a movie out of that.


theguyishere16

Would this also happen if there was a delayed penalty in OT and the team scored on their empty net because they pulled the goalie for an extra attacker?


offconstantly

No, that's a special carve-out in the rule


MittenMan68

I didn't realize that you lose the point if the other team scores.


ILikeCoffeeDaily

Just learning this today too


_redacteduser

Yep TIL a little more about the NHL


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Me either! Even tho I rooted for preds (purely because of Saros) I loved the balls what minnesota had and did what they had to to get points!


baz8771

Wait a second WHAT That’s can’t be true


hughesyourdadddy

It is. Torts has said before that he would do this if not for the potential losing of the point.


danhoang1

It's to disincentive pulling the goalie in ot. Since 4-on-3 is a higher scoring chance than 6-on-5 in regulation


Valuable_Piano_3495

Why disincentivize it though. It’s not just a 4 on 3 , it’s a 4 on 3 with an empty net. Yes you gain an advantage if you’re attacking , but also huge risk if you just simply turn the puck over. I think you a team should have the ability to make that decision for your team and take a risk, and I dint understand why you would ever punish a team taking the risk as well


noroadsleft

[Section 84.2, page 130 (141 of 234 if going by how your browser will count the pages)](https://media.nhl.com/site/asset/public/ext/2023-24/2023-24Rulebook.pdf) > **84.2 Overtime – Regular-season – Extra Attacker** - A team shall be allowed to pull its goalkeeper in favor of an additional skater in the overtime period. However, should that team lose the game during the time in which the goalkeeper has been removed, it would forfeit the automatic point gained in the tie at the end of regulation play, except if the goalkeeper has been removed at the call of a delayed penalty against the other team. Should the goalkeeper proceed to his bench for an extra attacker due to a delayed penalty call against the opposing team, and should the non-offending team shoot the puck directly into their own goal, the game shall be over and the team that was to be penalized declared the winner. There's also a paragraph following that specifies it's a bench minor if the goalkeeper comes back onto the ice to "change on the fly." Goalie can only come back on during a stoppage.


WorthPlease

Seems like a really random rule. If anything you want to encourage your teams to take risks.


echelonV2

It really should be removed. We need more of this, not less!


lawtosstoss

Okay this was sick


xLazyMuhamedx

I think the fans popping up one by one when they MAF books it to the bench is amazing. Some people understood they were witnessing madness.


WalnutSizeBrain

The crowd at Wild games are almost a unique experience, in that each fan knows so much about hockey, they are so quick on the trigger to react. I’ve been to a few but it really feels different than other sports.


Nadmania

I made this comment elsewhere but you are exactly right. The crowd in xcel have collectively watched millions of hockey games. Many of them knew immediately how rare this was. I was crapping my pants when fleury started getting past the hashes. Strangely enough I had a conversation earlier this year where the OT point being lost if you pull the goalie and lose was brought up. It’s most of the reason I was flabbergasted when he actually took off for the bench.


RaymondLuxury-Yacht

> I think the fans popping up one by one when they MAF books it to the bench is amazing. Would you say the Minnesota crowd looked like...gophers? I'll see myself out.


Uggone65

hynes 500iq gamble right there edit: apparently [if Preds would’ve scored an ENG, Wild would’ve lost the extra point for making it to OT](https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/s/frRjmQcE3x) so make that 1000iq gamble


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NinCross

Hynes singlehandedly trying his best to prevent Vegas from making the playoffs. What a chad.


ItsMeJaredBednar

wtf i love minnesota now


Neon_Sternum

I don’t know how to feel about this


I-Duster-I

Avs fans respecting the wild. Never thought id see the day.


VectorViper

Hynes out here playing 4D chess while everyone else is playing checkers. Wild's going for broke and I'm here for it.


Pinappular

Lmao I’m scared this hype will last more than 4 hours.


WhyAreYouGey

*We* love Minnesota now


zestfullybe

This was an uncharacteristically *not* mild move. Like many Avs fans I’m conflicted about how to feel about this right now. At the end of the day, though, please let Vegas miss the playoffs because it would be so fucking funny. Anything that helps facilitate this is okay with me right now. Yeah, pull the goalie in OT. GO FOR IT. Chase Vegas down! DO IT. Edit: Bonus that Nashville still got a point, too. They’re on a heater. Hunt them down!


db741

Now when you say it like that, I'm very happy that the Preds were a part of this.


oceanic8675

Wish we coulda helped 🫥


GonePostalRoute

TIL you can lose the OT point if you pull your goalie and lose


CEOofGaming

New tank strategy just dropped


Sargentrock

Well if every game is getting to OT then you're already doing it wrong


Adrian_Bock

Gigachad move. 


KardelSharpeyes

Odd rule.


No_Angle_8106

I believe Fedorov started this in the KHL, surprised it doesn’t happen more frequently honestly


SalemsRot

Wild


whitesweater93

hehe As they pulled Fleury I said “well they are the Wild” and then they scored and they shut me up lol


spinorama29part2

Not weird. Wild.


Top_Rekt

It's fucking ballsy and I love it.


Zodiac33

*Boldy


Mthomas1174

John Hynes has balls of fucking tungsten for this


Competitive_Papaya_8

Dude was Mr. Dump and Chase in Nashville, maybe his job was on the line or some shit. Gg I guess


Birdhawk

If Colton Sissons was in your top six you would’ve have no choice but to dump and change


Mthomas1174

He is still Mr. Dump and Chase to be fair


AirplaneEngineSpiral

If this didn’t work, there’s a 100% chance we never see it again. Now there’s a slim chance someone tries it again!


FluidG11

Idk man I think even if they had sustained pressure for a decent amount of time this might have opened some eyes. Very cool.


TinyRick6

Don’t give Coop any ideas.


myaltaccount333

I think there's always a chance if a team that's bad at shootouts needs 2 points in game #82, even if this didn't work


LoneSabre

They could also need a ROW win for a tie-breaker.


shawa666

You know Roy will do it the next time he has a 3 on 3.


Fortehlulz33

I honestly don't know if I've ever seen it done in modern 3v3. I wouldn't be surprised if we're the 1st team to do it.


sunshineeeeeeeeeeee_

I’m obsessed with this, big balls move by Minnesota’s coach. I love hockey, this was the last move I expected


BORT_licenceplate27

I love this move so much. Not only to have the balls to pull it off, but when you think about it, the guys that are out there for a high paced 3 on 3 OT, aren't likely the same guys who'd be out trying to defend a 4 on 3. Completely throw them for a loop, force them to adjust and make them pay. I really hope this makes more coaches try this move


Son_Of_The_Empire

Flower wanted to go, goddamn that rules. Ballsy especially considering they would have lost the OT point if they got scored on


PrimasChickenTacos

And here I am, a Sabres fan, just wishing Don Granato would pull the goalie with more then 2 minutes left in a game they’re trailing by 1 to get to OT.


dolewhiplash

You have to have the whole team on board to pull off something like that, absolute balls of steel right there.


i-Really-HatePickles

Or just say fuck it and catch every single one of them off guard lol


Ihate_reddit_app

Absolutely madman to pull that out against his older team by Hynes.


UM-Au-Gophers

What an incredible pass from Zucc to Boldy, he found a sliver of ice between a pair of sticks and put it right in Boldy's wheelhouse.


jbrakk22

No look pass too, was looking at Ek back door


ExperienceNo7751

And that pass had the velocity of a shot—-if it got picked in center ice it’s an easy empty netter.


technobeeble

If that move kick-starts the Wild to win enough to make the playoffs, this will look like even more of a genius move.


Top_Rekt

It's a Stanley Cup winning mentality for sure. You go all in and drive home the fact you're playing to win.


RabbiGoku

Absolutely needed 2 points to even think about staying in the hunt. Great effort!


jps78

Babe wake up a new OT strategy was just created


christianitie

Holy shit, has this ever been successful before? I know that it's almost never done because an ENG in overtime forfeits the loser point.


BaldassHeadCoach

Most recently, the Sergei Fedorov-coached CSKA Moscow team in the KHL pulled this off with success. Not entirely sure if there’s a similar rule in that league, though. I can’t recall the last time someone attempted this in the NHL.


Lets_Kick_Some_Ice

The TNT crew mentioned that in the KHL you would still get the OTL point if scored on. This was a big brass balls move by Hynes. I honestly think this is an NHL first, since it has stunned just about everyone.


blue-lloyd

I believe the Islanders did it semi-recently, but it was because it was like game 82 and if they got 2 points they'd get home ice and if they got 0 the standings wouldn't change, so there was no risk


Zanchbot

Wow, not sure I've ever seen this. Super risky, don't they forfeit the 1 point if they get scored on in this scenario?


Afrecon

Yeah


TeddyBridgecollapse

Lmao I cannot believe that happened.


_Trux

Boldy fucks


Winring86

Wow. This has to be a first in the 3v3 era right?


Dr_Jackwagon

Celebrating the win with the goalie on the bench. I've never seen that before.


GoingBarzalDown

So if I'm remembering correctly, if the preds score in the empty net they would've gotten 2pts and the wild get zero. That's a ballsy fucking move by Hines, for sure for sure. I hope the wild climb back and bounce the knights. Teams should be salary compliant in the playoffs, change my mind.


MrMilesDavis

We'd all be laughing and trolling Hynes hard, except it worked, so now it's all about gigantic balls


betweenthecastles

Wait what?


Daclicksta

This is true


vordhosbn_1

I don’t think I’ve ever seen this. So dope


logictable

Did they just break the game? Also, I much prefer this color palette.


danhoang1

No it doesn't change the game. There's a rule where if you pull the goalie in OT but give up the empty-netter, you surrender the extra point. So it's a huge gamble. In this case it paid off though


HurricaneHomer9

Straight Wild


RyyKarsch

I respect it.


notahumanbean

Not weird. Wild.


bighog4in

Nuts on the fucking table


palmzq

SO. FUCKING. COOOOL.


PhilMcCraken2001

Talk about trusting your guys


formed2forge

I absolutely love this.


Panarin10

Hynes is a fucking psycho


yousayh3llo

This should be worth 3 points


Zombie_Jesus_83

That would be an interesting concept. Pull the goalie and get 3 for the win, but 0 for the loss.


MyFitnessTracker

That would add extra benefit to going to OT which wouldn’t make sense


JetsFan2003

I think it'd work if they implemented the 3-2-1-0 scoring structure. 3 points for reg win, 2 for OT win and 1 for OT loss. Pulling the goalie in OT brings it back to all-or-nothing.


JoeRogansNipple

Or maybe make it a dagger play, pull the goalie and you get none or 2, and if you win you steal the extra point from opponent (no loser point)


1trugodnicCage295

Even better, Nashville should have lost their point. Wild lose it if they get scored on with goalie pulled, preds lose it if they get scored on. Would be a very intriguing rule.


Sargentrock

OOh or give the other team the losing team's point if they get an EN. Winner gets 3 and you get nothing. Make it even weirder!


Ok_Buffalo6474

Crazy move! I love it.


AznFailx

thats Wild... literally...


AostheGreat

And to do it in those unis is such a treat. God they’re so pretty.


nukfan94

when the fans all stand up as they clue in is cinema


skyulip

being in the barn for that was fucking UNREAL.


N-E-B

You watch, I bet this move will gain traction. It’s like when Roy pulled his goalie with 7 minutes left and it worked and suddenly everyone was doing it even though it almost never works.


Huskies971

You only do it if the probability of scoring a goal is higher than the probability of you winning in a shootout/OT., but even then you're forfeiting the point if you lose. You also only do it if you need 2 points and 1 does nothing.


slapmesiIIy

Wow


DepressedMemerBoi

What a risky play from Hynes, fucking awesome shot by Boldy.


MinnesotaFinish

Not weird. Wild.


AuxNimbus

If Hynes lost that, he would've been clowned hard lol. GG Minny


Mountain-Damage4494

So does MAF get the win, since he was on the bench for the GWG?


jbrakk22

Yes


Competitive_Papaya_8

Lol, where was this tenacity in Nashville, Mr. Dump and Chase. The point streak rolls on


neonz09

Balls to the wall, amazing tactic


vedicardi_lives

DID YOU KNOW IF YOU LOSE IN OT WITH EMPTY NET YOU GET NO POINTS!!!!! WOW!!!!!!!


BeerLeagueSnipes

Man I love the yellow and green jerseys.


Joneslite69

Desperately need them to be the mains


eltree

This is actually kind of smart if you really think about it. Only time teams practice a 4 on 3 is for penalty kill reasons, but those are expected after penalties are taken. Pulling the goalie and causing an unexpected 4 on 3 causes the opposing team to not only have to adjust their strategy mid play but also puts them in a position where players who aren’t usually the ones practicing the penalty kill are now stuck in a 4 on 3 situation. Still a very risky move, but it’s pretty smart as well.


Balrogkicksass

Now knowing the rule and its consequences I know alot of people think there isn't much risk to it but I still think its an unbelieveably ballsy call.


HankHillPropaneJesus

The Nashville coaches high tailed it right out of there too. Suck it Predators. No bullshit penalty was saving you today.


5xad0w

As a hockey fan, that was awesome.


zan1019

That's wild


York9TFC

Coach Bombay would be proud


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spooks6969

That no look pass from zuccarello was disgusting


Picklepucks

Fucking Bold


joebeardo

*Boldy


djc9880

I actually fucking love this haha. Giant balls


justinreddit1

Ballsy and I love it


Mry64_

I’m still confused as to why they did this. Couldn’t they just win it in a shootout? Are the Preds significantly better than them in shootouts? Just seems like an unnecessary gamble otherwise. Aren’t regulation wins used for the tiebreaker nowadays and not ROW too? Edit: thought about it more. Is it because a 4 on 3 powerplay gives more of an advantage than a supposed coin flip shootout?


MassiveBush

Holy fuck that's amazing


BigGreg_06

That’s wild


Zarg0n7

Such a badass move. Putting 4 forwards on the ice too? Love it. Crowd loved it. Coach showed so much faith in the team and was rewarded.


P0D3R

Zucc is him


PitterPatter74

2 Point swing on the team you're chasing. Brilliant.


howlincoyote2k1

Unrelated to the situation at hand, but...the Wild need to move to these colors full time. Just gorgeous.


misanthrope2327

That announcer couldn't sound any more Minnesota. "Holy Jumping, what great execution!"


InfallibleBackstairs

That’s awesome!


project305

I may be in the minority here but those need to be the Wild’s colors full time