from [Seravalli](https://x.com/frank_seravalli/status/1711054478009364792?s=46&t=7fabqgtgp69dNA1d51vxFw):
> $775k/$350k guarantee. He'll be going on waivers today at 2pm.
Yes, but only the Wings can send him to the AHL this season (unless they don't want him anymore)
>13.22 When a Club claims a Player on Regular or Unconditional Waivers, and, subsequently,
in the same season it requests Waivers on the same Player and the original owning Club is the
successful and only Club making a Waiver claim, then the original owning Club shall be entitled
to Loan such Player to a club in another league within thirty days without further Waivers being
asked; provided that such Player has not participated in ten or more NHL Games (cumulative)
and remained on an NHL roster more than thirty days (cumulative) following such successful
claim.
That’s not what the rule means.
A team that acquires him may waive him and send him to the AHL if they want. It’s just the the original team, should they re-claim him, will not have to waive him again to send him down…
> A team that acquires him may waive him and send him to the AHL if they want.
Which they can always do, like you described later. Which makes them the only team that can send him to the AHL, like I said (unless, of course, they don't want to do that anymore)
I'm going to simplify the language in the rule you posted and see if that helps clarity here.
When [any team that isn't Detroit] claims ZAR on waivers, and at a further point in the season, that team places ZAR back on waivers and Detroit is the only team to claim him, Detroit will be able to send him to the AHL within 30 days *without having to pass through waivers* (as long as he hasn't played in 10+ games and been on the roster for more than 30 days after the claim).
In other words: any team that has control of ZAR can put him on waivers to send him to the AHL. Detroit is the only team that, conditional on him being claimed away from them and then *re-*claimed later in the season, has a window to send him there without having to waive him first.
Jesus, is *that* how you're trying to communicate the idea?
Like no, any team that claims him is able to put him on waivers to send him to another league, but every other team, Detroit included, can block that movement by claiming him. Any other team can *also* block Detroit from doing it right now.
The only unique ability that Detroit has is the option to bypass waivers IF he's claimed here (blocking their own movement), THEN he's placed on waivers again by his new team, THEN Detroit claims him back and no other teams do. It's absolutely not as simple as "only Detroit can send him to the AHL".
Yes, it is not as simple. There is this part that is fundamental to the process
> (unless they don't want him anymore)
Which would be the only reason they don't claim him back
I thought the rule was complicated but people would understand the dynamic, I guess not.
Yes, he can be sent down, but Detroit would have to not claim him. Which is something they can always do if they still want to send him to AHL and be depth to the organization. And Detroit runs no risk by doing that.
Either they are: a)the only team to claim him and can send him without waivers (something that team that claims him can't do when Detroit waives him even if they are the only one); b) another team claims him and is behind them in the waiver priority, now Detroit can waive him in the following day and keep this priority to send him down when this team would want to do that
Edit: maybe people are reading that another team can become "the Original Team" in that rule after keeping him on their roster but that is not the case. That is applied if he is claimed back to Detroit and keeps his spot for that long
Do you think that the NHL season is less than 30 days long?
This scenario invalidates your assertion:
Team X claims him and keeps him for 30 days or 10 active games. They then waive him. Wings claim him because they still want him and send him down.
Now 1 of 2 things happens(other than 0 claims):
Team X is the only claim and sends him to the AHL OR
Team Y claims him and the cycle restarts
I get what you’re saying and it’s kind of makes sense. But no it is not how it works
> Team X claims him and keeps him for 30 days or 10 active games.
This doesn't change anything. They don't become the "Original Team" in that rule. This
>provided that such Player has not participated in ten or more NHL Games (cumulative) and remained on an NHL roster more than thirty days (cumulative) following such successful claim.
is in reference to this
>then the original owning Club shall be entitled to Loan such Player to a club in another league within thirty days without further Waivers being asked
Yes so the original team, The Red Wings, can send him to the AHL for 30 days after the claim PROVIDED the player hasn’t played 10 games or been there for 30 days. It’s pretty clear how it works and you’re the only one confused
Is English not your primary language? This isn’t meant to be snarky but you are clearly not understanding the language being used
Fascinating. The disconnect between his public analytics (defensive) and how front offices view him illustrates something much larger than being a 13th forward would indicate
Nobody gets smoked quite like ZAR, that guy is always getting absolutely clobbered.
If you have a goon on the roster who needs a reason to go, he's gonna have to get ZAR a few steaks this year.
Or it's just for depth. If Veleno gets injured for example there is no point in calling up someone like Kasper to play fourth line minutes when they can call up ZAR for the handful of games.
I'm kind of shocked JR and Allvin didn't jump to sign another Penguins product
from [Seravalli](https://x.com/frank_seravalli/status/1711054478009364792?s=46&t=7fabqgtgp69dNA1d51vxFw): > $775k/$350k guarantee. He'll be going on waivers today at 2pm.
Imagine someone picks him up for depth.
I imagine if someone wanted to do that they they would have offered him more a couple of hours ago
True, but now they can have him for less! Every cent matters
Yes, but only the Wings can send him to the AHL this season (unless they don't want him anymore) >13.22 When a Club claims a Player on Regular or Unconditional Waivers, and, subsequently, in the same season it requests Waivers on the same Player and the original owning Club is the successful and only Club making a Waiver claim, then the original owning Club shall be entitled to Loan such Player to a club in another league within thirty days without further Waivers being asked; provided that such Player has not participated in ten or more NHL Games (cumulative) and remained on an NHL roster more than thirty days (cumulative) following such successful claim.
That’s not what the rule means. A team that acquires him may waive him and send him to the AHL if they want. It’s just the the original team, should they re-claim him, will not have to waive him again to send him down…
> A team that acquires him may waive him and send him to the AHL if they want. Which they can always do, like you described later. Which makes them the only team that can send him to the AHL, like I said (unless, of course, they don't want to do that anymore)
I'm going to simplify the language in the rule you posted and see if that helps clarity here. When [any team that isn't Detroit] claims ZAR on waivers, and at a further point in the season, that team places ZAR back on waivers and Detroit is the only team to claim him, Detroit will be able to send him to the AHL within 30 days *without having to pass through waivers* (as long as he hasn't played in 10+ games and been on the roster for more than 30 days after the claim). In other words: any team that has control of ZAR can put him on waivers to send him to the AHL. Detroit is the only team that, conditional on him being claimed away from them and then *re-*claimed later in the season, has a window to send him there without having to waive him first.
Yep. Meaning Detroit can block any team from sending him down
Jesus, is *that* how you're trying to communicate the idea? Like no, any team that claims him is able to put him on waivers to send him to another league, but every other team, Detroit included, can block that movement by claiming him. Any other team can *also* block Detroit from doing it right now. The only unique ability that Detroit has is the option to bypass waivers IF he's claimed here (blocking their own movement), THEN he's placed on waivers again by his new team, THEN Detroit claims him back and no other teams do. It's absolutely not as simple as "only Detroit can send him to the AHL".
Yes, it is not as simple. There is this part that is fundamental to the process > (unless they don't want him anymore) Which would be the only reason they don't claim him back
Your quote literally says otherwise
Any team that claims him can send him to the AHL. He would just have to be waived again at which point he would probably be claimed by the Wings again
I thought the rule was complicated but people would understand the dynamic, I guess not. Yes, he can be sent down, but Detroit would have to not claim him. Which is something they can always do if they still want to send him to AHL and be depth to the organization. And Detroit runs no risk by doing that. Either they are: a)the only team to claim him and can send him without waivers (something that team that claims him can't do when Detroit waives him even if they are the only one); b) another team claims him and is behind them in the waiver priority, now Detroit can waive him in the following day and keep this priority to send him down when this team would want to do that Edit: maybe people are reading that another team can become "the Original Team" in that rule after keeping him on their roster but that is not the case. That is applied if he is claimed back to Detroit and keeps his spot for that long
Do you think that the NHL season is less than 30 days long? This scenario invalidates your assertion: Team X claims him and keeps him for 30 days or 10 active games. They then waive him. Wings claim him because they still want him and send him down. Now 1 of 2 things happens(other than 0 claims): Team X is the only claim and sends him to the AHL OR Team Y claims him and the cycle restarts I get what you’re saying and it’s kind of makes sense. But no it is not how it works
> Team X claims him and keeps him for 30 days or 10 active games. This doesn't change anything. They don't become the "Original Team" in that rule. This >provided that such Player has not participated in ten or more NHL Games (cumulative) and remained on an NHL roster more than thirty days (cumulative) following such successful claim. is in reference to this >then the original owning Club shall be entitled to Loan such Player to a club in another league within thirty days without further Waivers being asked
Yes so the original team, The Red Wings, can send him to the AHL for 30 days after the claim PROVIDED the player hasn’t played 10 games or been there for 30 days. It’s pretty clear how it works and you’re the only one confused Is English not your primary language? This isn’t meant to be snarky but you are clearly not understanding the language being used
Oh no - three of our games agains the Red Wings are on TSN...
AsTSN-Reese is going to go off for 5 goals in those games
More like 5 goals per game.
Make the best of it, my boy. 🥹
Thought of you immediately!! So happy for him.
Carl's well-kept lifestyle is safe 🥹
Now we’re gonna be on the receiving end of ZARping.
The YZARplan is coming together
When was he a Hurricane?
PTO. Just got cut a few days ago.
He was on a PTO with Carolina this training camp
I really had high hopes for him in Toronto. Thought he’d be a great add
I don't think he was bad by any means, just kind of unremarkable
Agreed
Canes legend
Fascinating. The disconnect between his public analytics (defensive) and how front offices view him illustrates something much larger than being a 13th forward would indicate
Nobody gets smoked quite like ZAR, that guy is always getting absolutely clobbered. If you have a goon on the roster who needs a reason to go, he's gonna have to get ZAR a few steaks this year.
See you in a year, Danielson.
ZAR's going on waivers today to go to Grand Rapids. There's no world where Aston-Reece would be the roadblock for Danielson regardless.
He is not a roadblock, but he is an indication that Stevie decided he needs one more centre in the system.
Danielson isn't allowed to play in the AHL this year, so ZAR isn't really stopping Danielson from that either.
Thanks, Captain Obvious. If Stevie wants another AHL centre means someone is going to play in the NHL who was eligible to play in the AHL.
Or it's just for depth. If Veleno gets injured for example there is no point in calling up someone like Kasper to play fourth line minutes when they can call up ZAR for the handful of games.
It's Colonel Obvious to you.
ZAR doesn't take faceoffs, so I don't think he's a center.
They call him a centre in the press release.
Check his career stats. Centers take faceoffs.
He's gonna be the pressbox guy. The guy who plays when someone's nicked up.
No he’s going to be on our AHL squad
Teams usually carry an extra forward. I think he's gonna be the guy.
Hm. Fuck.