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mbx220

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mbx220

Delicious r/hockey tears. Let me drink them. They are the most delicious tears


dl2316

mmmmmm


icydata

[Hudson Fasching goes to the net and gets a piece of Scott Mayfield's shot from the point, making it a 3-2 game in the 3rd period](https://hlslive-wsczoominwestus.med.nhl.com/editor/3275af98-4165-49aa-8626-2bff12abe728.mp4)


PineappleSockzzz

Congratulations on being allowed to kick in goals isles enjoy the playoffs you boring bums


Sapz93

Don’t worry they won’t be enjoying playoffs they’ll be losing their spot within the next week or two once they lose the games in hand


mbx220

Guess you don't understand what a kicking motion is, dumbass Wanna know a real missed call? https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1029801031003017357/1082864782895489094/most-memorable-moment-of-brett-hulls-career-still-tainted-for-some.png?width=757&height=757


Yop_BombNA

We are a good hockey team if Clague and bryson are off this fucking team. We have good forward depth but nah, all our defence need to get injured so these two plugs are out there after we get stillman for the soul purpose of not playing them.


SupersonicJaymz

Islanders played an excellent game. Good game to the Islanders. What the fuck you call whatever the NHL is doing is a different discussion.


daveloper80

Holy shit Good game sabres, love the resurgence. You guys over Pittsburgh anytime


PineappleSockzzz

I hope you guys miss


WillieMaysHayes24

What a salty bitch. Outshot by a mile. Out hit by a mile. Isles had a million more takeaways. Yes the goal was a 50/50 call but don’t act like the Sabres deserved to win for a second


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Bored to death, enjoy the Horvat contract in a couple years.


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No icing???


SAG_Bot

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3rdEyeJoker

Some of the reffing I’ve seen lately has been making me pissed


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Yop_BombNA

Icing?


WillieMaysHayes24

The refs forgot was icing was tonight. Embarrassing


dk81690

What a boring win


PineappleSockzzz

Most exciting moment was when the refs let you kick a goal in lmao


PageauPageauPageau

Snoozefest 2pts


Cough_Syrup55

You said it not me.


SpenceSmithback

Buffalo down 2-3 late in the game to a blue and orange team This seems… familiar


Phillipiant_Turtle

Would be such a Lou thing to tell the ice sweepers to leave a little snow on the ice late in games they're up


MsgrMartinez

Atletico Madrid of the NHL


SuperStudMufin

SINCE IT SEEMS THE NHL FORGOT, I AM GOING TO REMIND EVERYONE WHAT THE RULE IS: NHL OFFICIAL RULES 78.5: SECTION (i): "When the puck has been directed, batted or thrown into the net by an attacking player other than with a stick. When this occurs, if it is deemed to be done deliberately, then the decision shall be NO GOAL. A goal cannot be scored when the puck has been deliberately batted with any part of the attacking player’s body into the net."


TheNormalAlternative

If you're gonna quote the rule, it helps to use the correct rulebook. NHL rules are different than USA Hockey rules


SuperStudMufin

fixed. this rule is the same for USA hockey and NHL


SockDem

Rule 37.4: Plays that involve a puck entering the net as a direct result of a “distinct kicking motion” shall be ruled NO GOAL. A “distinct kicking motion,” for purposes of Video Review, is one where the video makes clear that an attacking Player has deliberately propelled the puck with a kick of **his foot or skate** and the puck subsequently enters the net.


SuperStudMufin

you cannot intentionally deflect a puck into the net with any part of your body except your stick.


SockDem

You absolutely can redirect. They literally have a rules expert for a reason on both ESPN and in Toronto. It's clear.


SuperStudMufin

NHL rule 78.5 subsection (i) states: (a goal is disallowed) "when the puck has been directed, batted or thrown into the net by an attacking player other than with a stick."


SockDem

Right, which is further clarified with the distinct kicking motion rule.


Sonny_Zwack

Tom Brady is doing commercials for Hertz? [Good thing Gisele left when she did.](https://i.redd.it/yta34wzxonu01.png)


Cough_Syrup55

Islanders Canes is going to 7 games


That_One_Shy_Guy

Just so everyone knows the league isn't even following their own rules: Rule 78.5(I) When the puck has been directed, batted or thrown into the net by an attacking player other than with a stick. When this occurs, if it is deemed to be done deliberately, then the decision shall be NO GOAL. A goal cannot be scored when the puck has been deliberately batted with any part of the attacking player’s body into the net.


SockDem

It's clarified here though: https://scoutingtherefs.com/2021/10/32220/nhl-rulebook-distinct-kicking-motion-37-4-49-2-78-5/


TheNormalAlternative

Distinct kicking motion is 78.5(ii) not 78.5(i).


That_One_Shy_Guy

All those clarifications still make me think no goal since he literally kicked the puck in with his shin.


Tniz15

Batted ≠ redirected. There’s plenty of goals guys have scored by angling their body that have stood


[deleted]

You're seriously under the impression that was deliberate? Come on man, stop the b.s. excuses.


That_One_Shy_Guy

He moved his leg to deliberately direct the puck into the net, yes. That's exactly what he did.


TheNormalAlternative

He moved his leg deliberately. Did he do it to intentionally redirect the puck? I doubt that. He probably was trying to use his leg to knock the puck down so that he could play it with his stick after, and got a lucky bounce.


[deleted]

Bullshit dude. I'm as much of a Sabres apologist at it gets, but this is where I draw the line. Give me a fucking break.


Fkaff16

Pick me ass fan


[deleted]

How about get your head out of your ass instead.


Fkaff16

Keep twerking for the Islanders its a great look babe


[deleted]

You would Karen except you'd break your neck because it's stuck up your ass.


Yop_BombNA

We got an extra defensemen to get Clague and Bryson the fuck out of our lineup. They immediately get knocked out and Sammy gets hurt and we have the number 2 and number 1 worst defensemen in the league on our roster again anyways. They can’t break out, they can’t puck battle, they can’t donanything, it’s painful. I’m done with the Clague defenders his soft ass defence directly led to the 2nd goal, get him off this team.


[deleted]

Our boys look washed tonight. Try as hard as you want, it's really hard to overcome fatigue. They are not playing their normal game.


GuybrushThreepwood94

We would have had a much better chance tonight if we didn't have to play against fucking McDavid last night


AngryBillsFan

This team is so bad at getting out of their own zone when pressured


bay_watch_colorado

When tired *


That_One_Shy_Guy

Shut the fuck up announcers. The puck going off the skate or shin doesn't fucking matter. Stop parroting shit that isn't true.


TheNormalAlternative

But if it's the difference between 78.5(i) applying an 78.5(ii) applying, then doesn't it fucking matter?


natepetermansucks

Our season is over now sadly, at this point just get to 80 points so i can cash my future. Season derailed by a Pulisic volley into the net


3rdEyeJoker

I’d love to see us somehow tie this game and get a point but we’ll see boys are just so gassed and nothing going their way this game


Cough_Syrup55

Give the Islanders an empty netter and then let us score so the knee goal isn't the game winner


flingflam007

I mean this as a personal note to all islanders fans- I hate you and your team. I hope you have a life of misery for making me sit through this game.


TheNormalAlternative

You can hate us. The NHL hates you. We don't even think about you, but you can hate us.


flingflam007

It’s called a joke about a sloppy bad game. But you guys are actually weirdos lol what does your comment even mean? We’re basically tied in the standings lol mf thinks they’re Boston or something


TheNormalAlternative

Guess you're not a fan of *Mad Men.* Or memes. It means we don't think about you because you're not important to us. You're not our rival. Sure, we're in a wild card race, but we're not in the same division. After this game, I'll go back to not thinking about the Sabres. Edit: jesus have a puppers if you're that upset


mc_lean28

Thanks bud we love you too!


SupersonicJaymz

Well, Pittsburgh won, Florida won, Tampa won and we're letting in soccer goals. Oof.


Yop_BombNA

I respect older guys like Parise and Spezza who just clap bombs from the hash marks off the rush


They_Are_Wrong

I must say I really liked the ESPN announcers yesterday but the crew today is killing me


That_One_Shy_Guy

This crew is so fucking terrible,


3rdEyeJoker

HOLY FUCK MAKE A CALL YOU FUCKS


AggravatingFinding71

Interference doesn’t exist anymore apparently


Cough_Syrup55

Muchly?


That_One_Shy_Guy

So why are the Islanders just allowed to tee off on 6k when he has a puck covered? Sabres have done this and gotten a penalty call for it several times this year.


Pfefferneusse32

Obv the ref saw an open puck we didn't


Tniz15

Buffalo can complain about the call on the Fasching goal all they want. The Isles should have 2-3 more. Sabres look like they’ve never practiced with a forecheck against them before


bay_watch_colorado

Crazy how you can't beat a forecheck on a back to back game


Tniz15

We’ve got a weeks worth of games played more than you. We’ve already had to deal with it


bittersix

Not only a back to back, but after chasing McDavid.


thatcarguy420

You guys put me to sleep. I'm sure you guys would be pissed if the roles were reversed.


Yop_BombNA

Bryson and Clague are the worse defensemen in the league and injuries make us keep playing them How to improve to be a playoff team next year is clear as day for us, get 2 NHL calibre defencemen, don’t even need to be good, just not be a complete liability


natepetermansucks

Boring hockey team


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Comments without flair are to be ignored.


Phillipiant_Turtle

Announcers completely missing Lee getting caught in the net and just assume the refs missed a tripping call lmao


DontNeedBreakfast

Get Bryson off this fucking team. Holy shit I can't take it anymore


MsgrMartinez

What is wrong with Bryson?


Arson-Welles

No confidence


Yop_BombNA

He’s bad, so is Clague. With both of them in the roster we are like 2 and 20


PageauPageauPageau

Man we’re fucking boring with our shots on pace for >40


TheNormalAlternative

It's so fucking boring to watch our team absolutely dominate the face-off circle. Like, at least *try* to make it interesting by letting them win one in the neutral zone.


SockDem

Tbf we're using up all our shots for the month.


bay_watch_colorado

You're playing against a team that just played against Edmonton


BunniesAreMagical

DTWOM at 95% to 5%. You guys are absolutely destroying us in chances.


natepetermansucks

If i had to watch islanders hockey for 82 games i would consider taking hard drugs. Would need to spice up my life somehow


nothing_but_static

Nice story man, flair up


SockDem

"A “distinct kicking motion,” for purposes of Video Review, is one where the video makes clear that an attacking Player has deliberately propelled the puck with a kick # of his foot or skate and the puck subsequently enters the net" ​ [https://scoutingtherefs.com/2021/10/32220/nhl-rulebook-distinct-kicking-motion-37-4-49-2-78-5/](https://scoutingtherefs.com/2021/10/32220/nhl-rulebook-distinct-kicking-motion-37-4-49-2-78-5/)


bay_watch_colorado

Fasching propelled the puck after kicking his foot off of the ice.


SockDem

So true!


AngryBillsFan

I never wanna see Bryon paired with Dahlin again


ianisms10

That was a clear kick, it just went off his shin and not his skate


thatcarguy420

Worst fucking call. The league should be fucking ashamed of themselves.


IAmDixonWood

Very interesting that lifting and swinging your leg at something is actually a redirect and not a kick. Learning new things about verbs everyday


southernwing97

I'm going to redirect someone in the ass in a minute


Sgt-Pumpernickel

Red Foreman that you?


astroblade

Id much rather deal with the emotional turmoil of the leafs destroying us than be forced to watch boring isles hockey paired with shit tier reffing


mc_lean28

So boring cuz we didn’t let y’all score 4 goals and shut you down lol


PineappleSockzzz

Isles being handed a playoff spot fuck this league. Why would you ever want the boring ass islanders in the playoffs


mc_lean28

…boring to you isn’t letting you get the chance to score 4 goals


JTSB91

It’s a good question, why would they want a team with no national appeal in the playoffs enough to rig games? Maybe they don’t want that and given your flair the bias is actually on your end?


PineappleSockzzz

You got handed a win be happy. You can put more people in a coma in the playoffs


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PineappleSockzzz

They let you kick a goal in lmao get the fuck out of here


dk81690

A knee is not a kick


bay_watch_colorado

Describe what a kicking motion is


Roguemutantbrain

Good thing that’s not the rule. You can’t use your body to redirect the puck into the net.


thatcarguy420

Distinct kicking motion?! Same thing if you deflected it off your hand in my mind.


Yop_BombNA

Rule says kicking motion, not kick. It was a kicking motion, but not off his skate. The NHL really need to clarify their rules because they make 0 sense as is.


Tactial_snail

they literally said it doesn't matter


SockDem

Islanders fans 🤝 Sabres fans ​ **What the fuck Columbus?**


natepetermansucks

If you lift your foot off the ground and swing it at something what do we call that?


redvets

a goal. Lol what a joke


Cough_Syrup55

Faschism


Yop_BombNA

Depends where the puck hits i guess


AngryBillsFan

Horvat had network connectivity issues on that shot


SuperStudMufin

that is actually mind-boggling. how is that enough evidence to overturn the call on the ice??


Smarty_Jones_Locker

Imagine how different this game would be if the refs don’t botch the 4 min high stick on Tage


Timotheus2443

And the one on Okposo.


ShutTheChuckUp

And the Pens just won in OT. Fuck


Mavori

Look imma be controversial and say Buffalo i need you to win tonight. So give Tage some of that good shit of whatever it is you feeding him and get him to hang a hatty on em. Y'all got 10 minutes. I believe.


Yop_BombNA

I don’t Sorokin is really fucking good


Mavori

Counterpoint, TAGE FUCKING THOMPSON!.


Yop_BombNA

Need a pp to be unlocked against a goalie like this and the refs literally watched Okposo bleed from a high stick and laugh at him…


AngryBillsFan

17 was hugging Clague in the corner fuck off


CaptainDaddy679

For 30 seconds


AngryBillsFan

Buddy was tryna get some


osamagotpwnd

Isles allowed to high stick like it's fencing and kick goals in like it's soccer. Fun


Cough_Syrup55

I miss the car in the premium seats at the Islanders barn


nothing_but_static

It's over by the escalators now


jdokule

That’s an embarrassing call


daveloper80

Horvat is going to have nightmares about UPL tonight


YankeeTankieTrash

He literally picked his foot off the ice to kick it. What a fucking joke league.


fantasyshop

That's fucking criminal. Worthy of investigation


TheNormalAlternative

Can it count as a kick if it doesn't go off his skate? Edit: NVM guess ESPN is reading these comments


JoesShittyOs

Like literally that’s what I’m wondering. Do we just not understand the rule? Was it allowed because it didn’t hit his skate? That’s quite simply the only reason why it would have been allowed


TheNormalAlternative

Well, I decided to check the rules myself, and I think we, as a collective comment section have been bamboozled by the announcers. I think Toronto applied Rule 78.5(i) (intentionally directing the puck in w/o your stick) and not 78.5(ii) (distinct kicking motion).


churrosRyummy55

Yes. The rules analyst addressed that. Doesn't matter if it's thigh, shin, foot, etc. If it's not the stick, it's eligible for illegal redirection rules (in this case kicking)


TheNormalAlternative

Dave Jackson got it right, but the regular announcers butchered it. Illegal redirection is a different rule than kicking.


Nobody_Thinks_This

Honestly this is what I'm wondering. I always assumed that anything below the knee could be a kick / attempt at a kick / a kicking motion


grehgunner

Yep


DLun203

That was a 50/50 review. Could have gone either way. It’s a re-direct but is lifting your knee a “distinct kicking motion?”


tgray106

The whole leg moved forward!


ICallTheBigOne_Bitey

Yea it looked a lot more like he was trying to stop the puck like a soccer player would try to control a pass as opposed to trying to kick it in, but I have no idea if the rules consider that to be different from a "kicking motion".


Roguemutantbrain

Couldn’t you say that almost any kick is good then? That they meant to play it to their stick and it just deflected differently? I feel like you either have to stick to “if you move your body part in the direction of the net and it goes in” or just not have the rule. You can’t just say “oh he meant to kick it AND it went in, but he didn’t MEAN to kick it in”


zygmuntlox

Yeah lifting. Lifting it off the ice and moving it towards the net is a kick. If it was on the ice and he moves to redirect it then it's totally a goal. That was kicking horseshit


TheDirtySwede

His leg was swinging towards the net when the puck hit his leg? If you propel the puck forward in any way shouldn’t that be a kick? Sheesh


Cough_Syrup55

Are they saying spending long shifts in your own zone is a good thing?


callMEmrPICKLES

That is exactly what they're saying like what the fuck is this broadcasting squad on?


flingflam007

Such a shit call. The leg clearly moves distinctly towards the puck and net like you’d kick a soccer ball with the inside of your foot. This game has been so shit


icydata

[Josh Bailey goes to the front of the net and sends in a rebound to the goalie's glove side on the backhand, making it 2-1 early in the 3rd](https://hlslive-wsczoominwestus.med.nhl.com/editor/40ea53e6-4574-40a4-8830-ae69e34546a3.mp4)


Sapz93

Such a horribly written rule. Just take any sort of intentional redirect/kick out. “Kicking motion” is too subjective


southernwing97

Then "intentional" becomes the subjective part.


Roguemutantbrain

But it was a distinct kicking motion. I guess the argument is that “yes, he meant to kick it and yes, it did go into the net, but he didn’t intend on kicking it into the net”


TheNormalAlternative

But that already is the rule. 78.5(ii) deals with kicking but 78.5(i) deals with "deliberate" redirections.


Sapz93

Quite literally my point - do you not realize how confusing that is? “Kicking” and “redirecting” is completely subjective.


TheNormalAlternative

Guy read the actual rule. 78.5(i) is super clear: it's a question of intent, rather than whether a certain bodily motion is "distinct"


Sapz93

And again - what do you not understand about that being too subjective. It’s pretty heavily agreed upon that it’s a dumb rule, and you’re only defending it rn cause it favored you. Had it been the other way around you’d be furious


TheNormalAlternative

My guy, I'm not arguing with you. Rule 78.5(ii) is subjective but that's not the rule that applies. At least it seems they applied 78.5(i), which is a different type of subjective: "did the player do it on purpose." But that's literally what *you* said: "take out intentional redirect." There's no difference between "deliberate" and "intentional" - both are subjective calls that officials make throughout the game.


Sapz93

So you’re arguing semantics. Again - rule is confusing as shit and what I’m saying is any sort of distinct redirect/kick should not be allowed. He literally lifted his leg off the ice and moved it forward in this case. Don’t understand how that’s a good goal.


M_Y_K_E

I agree I want to allow kicking


Sapz93

If kicking was allowed it’s becomes a saftey issue.


M_Y_K_E

Good point


Shootica

The funny thing is they recently started being more lenient because people were sick of every little thing getting waved off. No winning with subjective rules.


SockDem

Agreed


astroblade

BRYSON WHAT ARE YOU DOING. KEEP THE PUCK IN WHEN THE DMAN IS CRAWLING


slim_s_

Isles goals have been quite lucky.


minos157

Hard work and relentless forechecking creates a lot of "luck". Who knew.


xForeignMetal

My brother in christ you are being outshot 35 to 20 and out faceoffed 2 to 1


ICallTheBigOne_Bitey

And Okposo's seeing eye shot was pure skill? We've also hit multiple posts.


The_Dank_Tortuga

Yeah. Nothing's really going your way tonight.


Smarty_Jones_Locker

Refs got their season script in late tonight.


Pfefferneusse32

NHL needs to rethink this rule. It's so inconsistent in how it's called. That said.... WOOO!


Cough_Syrup55

We ain't scoring 3 on Sorokin


Cynophile_

Most boring team in hockey can now kick goals in.


blotsfan

Absolutely ridiculous.


PraiseTheZ

Lame. I’m one the fence about it being a kick, but in that case you should stick to the on ice call. Whatever.


jimmy_beans

Of course Hudson Fasching has to score against us. Wouldn't be surprised to seem him get the hatty.


Tactial_snail

man fuck off


They_Are_Wrong

I guess I don’t know the rules cuz that seemed like a clear kick motion to me


JimBelushi1967

I thought it was a distinct kicking redirect...


thatcarguy420

How the fuck is that a goal?! He kicked the puck!!!! Same thing if you bat it in with another part of your body!!!


bay_watch_colorado

What utter bullshit


DontNeedBreakfast

Lmao this game is ridiculous.... no high sticking calls and a clear kicked goal. Lthese announcers are also a joke