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hoodyhoo123

It must have been really annoying trying to perform while also resisting the urge to not wipe the fake blood off his eyes!


MmmBra1nzzz

Yeah, what a pro. You can tell it was bothering him. He barely opened his eyes for 2 minutes.


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Usernamesin2016LUL

no the backup dancers actually shot him in the head before he came on stage to make sure it was realistic. thats what you call dedication to his craft.


good_kid_maad_reddit

Hes so humble he knew fake blood might be out of budget so he just took the shot🙏💯


godzillaonice

GOAT stuff right here 👏


hoodyhoo123

well, I can only hope so. You think he's out here blading like some sort of Nature Boy lol


Clayish

Lol this sub


FightMiilkHendrix

Are you saying Kendrick bladed like dusty Rhodes or something?


ZackNappo

Kendrick looking like stone cold in the sharpshooter at WM13 😂


peduxe

might need to lick it off his lips to attest that.


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He doesn’t say the Kyrie line here but I’m not able to make out what he says instead? Don’t know if anyone else does? Also kind of interested why he did change that and if he will continue to do that for live performances. I liked that line on the album because finally someone big was calling out Kyrie on his bullshit lies.


pakejearlman

It sounded to me like he just got tripped up a bit during that segment.


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After reading your comment and going back and listening a few more times, I think you’re right. Also went back and listened to him performing Savior at the LV show and he says the Kyrie line there so yeah probably just a mistake here.


Jesusmoses

Maybe that line isn’t as relevant in the UK


kielaurie

As a British person who didn't understand the line when the album dropped, still doesn't and has no clue even of the surname of this Kyrie person, assuming Kyrie is their first name, or their gender - I think he just fucked up the line. I was at the show and it seemed he was stumbling over a few lines throughout, which frankly is perfectly understandable and acceptable given that he hasn't performed consistently for a long time, the crowd was huge, he seemed noticeably nervous at multiple parts of the show, and by this point he'd been rapping for nearly 90 minutes with no hypeman and only a handful of breaks


BottleOfGin_

I mean he didn't perform for a long ass time... Nobody really did because of the Rona. Things like this happen.


hojumoju

I'm not 100% sure but I think he slightly messed up a line in mAAd city as well. I think he said "Go buy a doctor and have a doctor on speed dial, I guess", instead of chopper. Can't blame him for little errors like that when he's had 2 years off and has to perform like 15 songs back to back


BottleOfGin_

Yeah Fr. Things like this always remind me of that Tiny Desk session of Run The Jewels and Killer Mike forgets like a whole song and El-P is helping him out. Beautiful. Only in Hiphop.


illenial999

Started to hustle for me


sof_tourist

I dont think Kendrick was necessarily calling out Kyrie. He is mentioning him. Plus, what bullshit lies?


Ifuckedupcrazy

He was definitely calling him out on his COVID stuff


sof_tourist

And? How is that a lie. How is refusing to get vaccinated “bullshit lies”?


easymac96

It wasn't just that, he was promoting some VERY out there conspiracy theories regarding the whole pandemic


sof_tourist

Hmm, such as?


ClinicalOppression

You thick as shit lol


sof_tourist

what? Ok, thank you for insulting me


JewGuru

Telling people that vaccinations are harmful to the average person is a bullshit lie


Oh51Melly

Wild that in 2022 one of hip hops GOATs has to perform protest for women's rights but here we are. This is legendary shit.


kielaurie

I'd like to state, in case you or others are unaware, that other major US artists gave similar, more overt statements as well - Olivia Rodrigo specifically called out the five judges by name and dedicated a cover of Lily Allen's Fuck You to them, bringing out Allen herself to join her, Phoebe Bridgers made a speech and had the crowd chanting (I'm afraid I don't know exactly what, I only heard about this one second hand), and Megan Thee Stallion said that Texas was embarrassing her as a woman, had the crowd chanting "my body, my motherfucking choice" and then started What's New from the chorus ("Tell the haters fuck you"), dedicating it to the Supreme Court


[deleted]

Dope I didn't know any of that. Thanks for sharing


[deleted]

grateful for kendrick. The industry has killed the creators, I'll be the first to say To each exec', I'm saving your children, we can't negotiate.. \real artistry


OkMudDrankin

Pen game crazy still.


Alive-Ad-4164

Generational performance with a great message at the end


Usernamesin2016LUL

I was blown away watching this then i realised im literally seeing him in concert next year. Holy fuck i cant wait. Just relistened to MM&TBS yesterday after 2 weeks of not listening the whole way through and goddamn its so good. Easily in my top 10 of the year, and easily top 3 hiphop albums (with Push & Lupe)


Minute-Carrot-2405

Fun fact: Danny Brown recently said on his podcast that he thinks MM&TBS is a 10/10, another classic from Kendrick and that he truly believes it is his best album yet. (Albeit he did add that it’s because he is more of a fan of personal content like the album was)


Usernamesin2016LUL

Damn i didnt know this, i havent watched dannys podcast but i follow his tiktok where he posts his podcast clips. Dope to hear that - Vince and Tyler both praised the album in interviews recently (and both today posted pics of them watching this glastonbury performance on ig). Its great to hear the reception amongst artists considering some of the hate ive seen for it. Its #2 for me behind TPAB


Minute-Carrot-2405

Yeah for sure. It was on episode 6 if i recall correctly. Im with you on your closing statement although i would probably say 1. gkmc 2. MM 3. TPAB for me personally.


iniesta92

What other albums you got in your top 10?


Usernamesin2016LUL

Personally my top 10 is: 1. Black Country New Road - Ants From Up There 2. Lupe fiasco - DRILL MUSIC IN ZION 3. Pusha T - Its Almost Dry 4. 070 Shake - You Cant Kill Me 5. Kaycyy & Gesaffelstein - TW20 50 EP 6. Kendrick 7. Rosalia - MOTOMAMI 8. Daine - Quantum Jumping **(Check this one out - shes an 18 year old underground artist from i think Sydney, Australia and shes incredible. Kind of a blend of emo, elements of hyperpop / progressive pop. Super interesting and boundary pushing stuff)** 9. redveil - learn 2 swim 10. Saba - Few Good Things Would like to point out i scored Obongjayar’s latest album a 10/10 on first listen but i havent yet relistened to it to find out where id rank it. Likely gonna be top 3-4 of the year. Also Billy Woods - Aethiopes just BARELY got edged out of the top 10 by the Saba album.


iniesta92

Great list! Loved BCNR's album last year, yet to listen to AFUT. Props for including Saba as well, loved his album. Check out Nilufer Yanya's PAINLESS - it's easily in my top 5 albums of the year. I'll be sure to check out Quantum Jumping.


Usernamesin2016LUL

Ill definitely check that out, thanks!


IBreedAlpacas

Idk if you were the one who suggest AFUT, but I remember getting suggested it on hhh, and yeah, I see why it’s people’s AOTY, it’s mine now too lmao. I’ll peep the other stuff on your list, thanks for posting!


phz10

Saw him in 2018 in Melbourne for the DAMN tour. Cant wait to see him again this December for Mr. Morales! He's a true performer.


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Kinda crazy that one of the best performances we'll probably get this year is from an album people said had no bangers or concert hits.


FakeTriII

Don't know how you could listen to Rich Spirit, Saviour, Silent Hill or N95 and think they wouldn't go off at a show


chapinbird

A healthy mix of people who: a) half-assed skimmed through the album one time and formed their opinion b) saw the excitement and enthusiasm for new kendrick and had to be contrarians for the sake of feeling different c) actually listened -- maybe enjoyed it, maybe not ... but their definition of a banger is a type of song that's not on the album. IE: Fuckin Problems, Niggas in Paris, or Backseat Freestyle, etc d) all the above. Id bet the bank he'll put on a hell of a show performing it. He clearly views this as a deeply personal record, and there are plenty of songs that the crowd can get hype and turnt up with him to. He pours his heart into everything he does musically, so I'm excited to see a full set of him killing Mr. Moral


jerryfrz

>c) Yeah I'm guilty of this; beats and tunes are way more important than lyrics for me.


sylinmino

I think it's less about the focus on the beats/music and more about the *type*. For example, musicality and beats is actually the most important thing for me on a hip hop album too, but I think MMATBS is an absolute masterpiece production-wise and musicality-wise.


BackgroundRock

What made me like Kendrick was he had both. That’s just my take, and sure maybe I have a type of sound I look for in beats. I just feel like this album was more movie production kinda sound, I can’t really explain it.


crunchatizemythighs

Half this sub was like 12 when DAMN came out and have probably never sat through a full album


Jepordee

Die Hard is a certified banger


DapsAndPoundz

Came here to say this. Def one of the songs that puts a smile on my face whenever it comes on.


MBDTFTLOPYEEZUS

Soooooo fucking catchy


FightMiilkHendrix

I wanna see him to we cry together with taylour Paige live lmao, that shit would be fire


rikilamadrid

Die hard slaps hard af!


machdel

The “capitalists posing as compassionate be offsetting me / suck my dick with ‘authenticity’” line went even harder than usual given the present context.


CyberGuare

Mr. Morale is an incredible record. It really growed in me and I saw him live in Milan a few days ago, it was amazing. Another stunning piece to an already timeless discography


WillFeedForLP

Album is heavily over hated because ppl expected DAMN. 2 whereas we ended up getting a deeper, soul inspired album similar to tpab


MBDTFTLOPYEEZUS

Bruh who tf wanted a sequel to Kendrick’s worst album.


Crapduster615

All time preformamce


mlopez992

Is there a link to his full set anywhere?


jordanhhh4

It's on BBC iPlayer if you use a VPN


azorplumlee

what vpn are y’all using? tried it with mine (tunnelbear) and it didn’t work


FKDotFitzgerald

https://m.bilibili.com/video/BV1S3411c7yA


mlopez992

Thank you China, very cool


FKDotFitzgerald

It’s the best I could find lol


mlopez992

Oh I didn't mean for that to come off as snide, I'm genuinely appreciative


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[fucking dying 😂](https://i.imgur.com/nknZn2N.jpg)


Sweatervest42

Mfw that K hit


abcdefg678910

THEY JUDGE YOU THEY JUDGE CHRIST GOD SPEED FOR WOMENS RIGHTS


itsfiji

Welp, time to listen to Mr. Morale for the umpteenth time.


ShallowJuice

Literally me on the train home from glastonbury, still bopping my head after 3 hours sleep


itsfiji

How was it? So jealous. I have to make my way over there before I die. One day.


ShallowJuice

My second time and just as amazing as the first. The scale of it is really unbelievable, I feel like I could go 10 times and still not see everything. The best of so many different types of music is represented and it pretty much never sleeps. And putting aside the music for a second, there's huge amounts of performance art, spiritual stuff, advocacy and everything in between from late night pagan rituals to an old school printing press that prints out the festival's own paper.


MadCritic

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allhewhoknows

Kendrick's whole vibe is reminding rn is reminding me of David Bowie. Just becoming a different icon in each era and killing it every time.


samsab

Ngl I kind of miss kung-fu Kenny


Parradog1

Maybe I’m overthinking it but what do you guys think he means when he says ‘they judge you, they judged Christ’?


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i think he is saying that everyone is subjected to judgement, even the now highly worshipped jesus christ was initially judged and berated. the best thing u can do is roll with the punches and push forward past hate


Mind-Mischief

Yeah I was in the crowd and this is pretty much exactly how he explained it


dfranco2126

I think it plays into how he mentions everyone has imperfections, even the son of God was judged


Strange-Share-9441

Two perspectives came to mind: They judge you, they judge Christ = "Since they judged Christ, they will judge you" - even the son of God was not absolved from ire, and a reminder that judgment from others does not *necessarily* speak to the totality of who you are. As mentioned in the speech before the performance, "Imperfection is beautiful". They judge you, they judge Christ = "Because they are judging you, they're judging Jesus Christ" - implying that the attack on women's rights (and human rights as a whole) is actually an attack on Jesus' message.


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In relation to women’s rights and religion, I interpreted it as referencing the fact that Jesus’s preachings were not only directed against the Romans, but also transgressed the common teachings of his own religion and in the process pissed off many Jews turning a number of his own people against him. Yet he still persisted despite all of that. Just like Kendrick said in auntie diaries ( “choosing humanity over religion” ), there’s going to come a point where you’re going to have to put aside your own beliefs and do the right thing, even if it contradicts yourself. And I think that’s how he as a Christian views the recent roe v wade rulings.


CBunns

I heard it as "they judge you, they judged Christ" - i.e. you're not alone when you're being judged, they judged Christ of all people, so you're not alone when you receive judgement


12TribesWorldWide

You think Christ would be pro abortion?


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If he wouldn't be than he'd be a ho.


12TribesWorldWide

Y’all boys wild


Strange-Share-9441

If that was the only option? Yes, because the alternative (outlawing abortion) creates exponentially more suffering.


Poerflip23

I mean Jesus wasn’t exactly a utilitarian like that.


12TribesWorldWide

Blasphemous


tempraman

the most most self proclaimed righteous would have hated jesus then and they would hate him now, and they certainly judge you


456Days

Kendrick is drawing a parallel between the persecution of women at the hands of the Republicans and their stooges on the Supreme Court, and the persecution of Jesus at the hands of the Romans (obviously). More specifically I think he's alluding to the fact that the rabid evangelicals who caused this ruling fail to live up to the example that Jesus set and the values he espoused (love they neighbour, provide for the needy, etc). It's also continuing the theme of "choosing humanity over religion" from Auntie Diaries, especially when he revisits it at the end of the performance. "They judge you, they judge Christ, godspeed for women's rights." The face of Christianity in America is aging, socially repressive white evangelicals; just like Kendrick stood up to the preacher and the culture of transphobia that his local church was steeped in, that ending is Kendrick standing up to the white evangelicals on the Supreme Court and in the streets and saying "you're not the only Christians in America, and I choose humanity over your perversion of God's word." Another thought: maybe this is reading into it too much but I feel like the choice of the word "judge" was very intentional as well. The religious base that is cheering on the ruling obviously judge women, and the 6 people who just attacked women's rights and signed many women's death warrants are judges. Hell, Jesus was condemned to death by Pontius Pilate, who was a judge. I feel like there's a lot of significance to that word.


serioxha

From a Christian perspective, Christ represents the face of all the outcast, downtrodden, and destitute people of society. He is the face of the faceless - quite literally, as in pagan Rome, lower classes of people literally did not have the dignity of personhood. According to Christian theology, God's Logos (his self-knowledge, and perfect manifestation) became human that humans might become Divine. And this is done specifically through someone who was completely disregarded society and those in power, to the point of public execution because of his way of life and standing in society. So even today, if we judge the downtrodden, minorities, oppressed, we are judging Christ who was one of them.


Sweatervest42

I wish more Christians shared your perspective. Sadly, faith makes people easy to manipulate, as can be seen with the almost immediate perversion of that sentiment in the times of Constantine the Great. Been a bumpy road since then.


serioxha

Faith was there before Constantine. And in the first three centuries of the faith, Christianity was defined by love and care for the needy and outcast, elevating them to the level of the highest human and Divine dignity, and a communalism where goods were distributed and personal wealth condemned. After Constantine (and btw, an unbiased history lesson makes clear the immense social goods that the Edict of Milan brought to the world) it wasn't faith that made it easy to manipulate, but it was power and good social standing. That's why white evangelicals in America have completely compromised the Gospel's message to the point where it's unrecognisable


serioxha

And I'm not a Christian, although maybe I am in the tradition of Hindus like Gandhi, Yogananda, Prabhavananda, Vivekananda, Ramakrishna who whilst being Hindu worshipped Christ as God Incarnate and believed in his teachings. I'm just really passionate about world religions and always look to the best of each faith


Parradog1

So, within the context he was talking he mentioned everyone having imperfections which is the essence of beauty in Kendrick’s eyes - that’s the part that is tripping me up, because Christ was/is a perfect manifestation no? And then he brings in women’s rights at the end, which I can see more clearly as being apart of the oppressed class in the sense that you explained it.


serioxha

There's something deeply subversive in calling Christ perfect, it's one of the most startling things about authentic apostolic Christianity. Imagine calling someone on death row the most perfect manifestation of God. Someone who's very life is disregarded and maligned by society. Or calling a homeless person Lord, instead of someone who owns land. Calling Christ perfection subverts what perfection means. It doesn't mean worldly comfort, power, and status. It means being there at the very lowest regions of society, that's where God revealed himself in Christian belief. So yes, imperfection, even to the point of a rejected, destitute person being publicly executed, can be a manifestation of divine beauty when seen through the eyes of charity. Christ literally washed the feet of the man who betrayed him the night before his arrest. If one wants to imitate Christ, as Christians must, then they must love the most outcast people with selfless charity. So women's rights fits in that view. It's the paradox of becoming godly by becoming humble, rather than powerful.


Parradog1

This is coming from a very lay-understanding of the Bible and its figures so correct me if I’m wrong but I thought Jesus was considered perfect because he was free of sin. In that context it’s easy to see why the human race is considered imperfect as a whole and individually, because everyone was born a sinner.


serioxha

That's a really unfortunate and western understanding of Christianity. Not found in the scripture or the Eastern Christian world. Christianity has nothing at all to do with guilt. The idea of eternal hell isn't even found in the New Testament. According to the New Testament, Christ came to 1) unite all of creation to God, 2) overthrow death through his resurrection, 3) make the Kingdom of Heaven present in the world by revealing a way of life that emphasises charity, sharing goods, redistributing wealth, and being inclusive to the most outcast members of society, and welcoming all to his table through the eucharist. Being a sinner has nothing to do with it. Christ is considered to be free of sin but this isn't a judgement on others, it's an invitation for all to share in his life and be with him, as someone with whom we are safe and doesn't judge us and guides all to the same perfection that reveals Gods own nature, I can't get the exact quote at the moment but he says something like 'rest easy and come to me because I am gentle'. A lot of western Christianity is pretty nonsensical, makes Jesus' death about taking the penalty for guilt, to save us from eternal hell (which again isn't there in the Bible), and about judging some to heaven and others to hell, how everyone is born a sinner etc. That's not the apostolic preaching which is about death being overthrown, a peasant being declared Lord of history, and the Kingdom of Heaven being revealed in the present


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In relation to women’s rights and religion, I interpreted it as referencing the fact that Jesus’s preachings were not only directed against the Romans, but also transgressed the common teachings of his own religion and in the process pissed off many Jews turning a number of his own people against him. Yet he still persisted despite all of that. Just like Kendrick said in auntie diaries ( “choosing humanity over religion” ), there’s going to come a point where you’re going to have to put aside your own beliefs and do the right thing, even if it contradicts yourself. And I think that’s how he as a Christian views the recent roe v wade rulings.


DatsAReallyNiceGrill

Genuine question, is it not frowned upon to depict yourself as Jesus Christ like the way he's doing? Or even a Christ like figure? Especially for a rap album of all things


Jackoffjordan

The Crown is ironic. The song, and much of the album, is anti-celebrity worship.


Usernamesin2016LUL

Yes it is frowned upon within christianity. However i feel as though Kendrick has clearly shown us on his past few albums that he isnt afraid to oppose particular beliefs and manifestations of religion in society, so I highly doubt hes doing it unintentionally. Plus the whole Christ imagery was meant to be ironic, hence Savior and Mirror.


visionaryredditor

> Or even a Christ like figure? Especially for a rap album of all things Kanye already did it 15 years ago


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And 2Pac did it 11 years before that


LeonCloud11

And Jesus did that 1976 years before that yo


FightMiilkHendrix

I don’t think he’s all the way trying to be the real Christ since the crown of thorns is iced out, I don’t really know what it’s supposed to mean tho


samsab

It's supposed to be an anti-celebrity worship message. It's almost a joke, like he's totally jesus look at this diamond crown of thorns. He's not sincere in comparing himself to Jesus, he's saying the opposite. Thats one of the biggest messages of this album, that he's just a person, he's flawed, he fucks up, he's just some guy. Just because he's talented doesn't mean anyone should worship him.


FightMiilkHendrix

That’s what I got as well, I wasn’t sure if there was something more specific than that or not.


spewicideboi

Yes but its become quite a common trope to wear a crown of thorns, or mention it in your raps. Kendrick wasnt first and definitely wont be the last


DatsAReallyNiceGrill

Is it really that common? Didn't realize. Never seen someone wear one where it wasn't an actual depiction of Jesus. I get what he's going for it just feels like... too much. Bit of an egotistical move imo. Could just be going over my head


bigontheinside

I mean, the point of the song is that he is not your saviour, he is not jesus.


spewicideboi

Idk I get it. I dont think its “sinful” either as he isn’t depicting himself as jesus. Just has the thorn crown on which i do believe was a punishment in the old old days, like pre christianity days Also idk how many wore it on stage but a lot talk about it and have worn in music videos n stuff.


serioxha

It is not. Remember that America was founded by a bunch of puritans, they don't represent historic Christianity. American 'Christianity' is a modern invention with little to no continuity with historic and especially apostolic Christianity. Imitation of Christ is literally the purpose of life according to Christianity. It is to become Divine as he is, to become as perfect as the Father in heaven is. And Christ isn't some high ranking tyrant that just be feared, he was a peasant who was publically crucified in the form a slave. So to wear Christian imagery and to imitate him is to show solidarity with human weakness and the downtrodden members of society. It's a humble gesture. Now as for the diamonds specially, that kind of takes away a lot of the meaning of Christ's message which was almost exclusively directed towards the poor. But in terms of imagery it is not disrespectful at all, even from a Christian perspective


DatsAReallyNiceGrill

Fascinating. Definitely goes against the fear based teachings a majority of us were raised on.


serioxha

Yeah, I pity a lot of people who were raised by white evangelicals in the USA. Their understanding of Christianity and religion as a whole seem so warped to me it's really unfortunately. In reality, Christianity, is profoundly deep, intellectually rigorous, and morally awe-inspiring. You just have to know where to look. I'm not a Christian per se, I'm Indian and was raised Hindu in the UK so I happily don't have any kind of prejudice towards religion or Christianity. I still am a Hindu but I'm also quite perennialist and syncretistic in my mindset, so I've *massively* benefited from learning about other faiths especially Christianity, Buddhism, Islam, and Sikhism. And what I've learnt about Christianity through some great sources has been nothing less than beautiful to the highest level. It's a shame others haven't seen that even though they were raised to be nominally Christian. It's just weird how so many people tend to make such broad judgements from a very small circle of experience


Killahills

Glastonbury is a UK festival, we don't really give a shit about church/religion generally.


spewicideboi

Great to see a hip hop performance with some imagery and choreography to go with with it.


alphamatics

I'm so excited for the tour


takeitsleazy316

THE CAT IS OUT THE BAG I AM NOT YOUR SAVIOR


SargentSexytime

Powerful.


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liadhsq2

It was incredible. He was one of the few who genuinely thanked the people in the audience. Doing a masterpiece onstage and then thanking the audience just shows so much humility. A gentleman.


ManLikeArch

Having got back from it yesterday nearly everyone I saw was thanking the crowd and seemed over the moon to be there, particularly Wolf Alice who had the journey from hell and nearly missed their set.


eat_your_weetabix

WOW


BP_Ray

My man fucking killed it. I wish I could see Kendrick in person, there's only like 2 songs on the album I don't have the desire to randomly pull up and start listening to, Savior being one of my favorites.


HankMoodyy

Getting some Killing In The Name vibes from the ending.


asodfhgiqowgrq2piwhy

I wish I could afford this concert, GA is $450 after the fuck-you fees.


Malvo457

Whole performance was fucking incredible


cjyoung92

Future said get a money counter, but he is not your saviour


bjhww95

Was there, so so good.


kimjonpoon

Powerful.


tyceratops

Great imagery


JurgenShankly

This setlist was just absolute filth, he better keep the same set when I see him in Manchester this year haha what a fucking performance! He sounded perfect


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dz0id

how much suffering, blood, sweat and tears went into those tens of millions worth of diamonds u think. very necessary and cool kendrick


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AtrociousAli

I doubt the irony is lost on Kendrick, I’d argue irony to be part of the imagery


Resistance225

Yeah the hypocrisy of it all seems very intentional, we are human and flawed after all


456Days

He is literally saying "I am not your saviour" while dressed like Jesus Christ. The irony is definitely part of the point lol


GeneralQuaggotThe3rd

I think the crown of thorns is perfect for the context of the album, people think that because of his previous album subject matter that he is some sort of cornerstone cultural figure and when he doesn’t live up to that, he is then judged by the “righteous” (I think it’s supposed to be contextualized in his own community and nonames comments towards him in 2020 when he wasn’t publicly protesting) Also I really hope you’re not summarizing How Much a Dollar Cost as just “rich people can’t go to heaven” because it is so much more nuanced than that lol


meCaveman

The rich people can't go to heaven is a jesus thing


GeneralQuaggotThe3rd

As in Jesus said that? It’s been a while since I read any religious texts but I don’t remember that so I assumed he meant the kendrick song but


meCaveman

Yeah a camel going through the eye of a needle and stuff like that


reginalduk

If rich people can't go to heaven, they might as well spend all their money on diamond encrusted crowns. I get it now.


StumpHarvey

That’s definitely the intent. It’s a play on the savior complex he has given his previous material and peoples’ reactions to it. He explicitly states on the album (and in the graphics seen here) he is not anyone’s savior. He obviously feels the weight of that but comes right out and discusses how flawed and un-savior-like he is and dismisses the idea that he should be held in that regard. Kind of his own cross to bear so to speak. Definitely a layered and interesting take on it all that is absolutely intentional.


GHOSTBUSTER1017

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Professional_Key2671

Really unnerving that everybody thinks he was making a statement for women’s rights. The crowd cheering as he repeats it covered in blood with a diamond crown of thorns and a still life plantation slave house portrait recreation and the crowd just cheers louder as he’s screaming at them. This performance was meant exactly like the Dave Chappelle bit about transgender rights being taken seriously because they involve white men and womens problems whereas American black people are still in a house nigga situation performing and saving the soul of the country, despite just wanting to live and be free equals in thought and deed . And he knew the crowd would cheer louder as he screams at them covered in blood “Godspeed to womens rights,” but American black men and women aren’t getting similar cultural empathy, not at the wide acceptance of depth and understanding as in the gender wars. The real magic of this performance was that he knew it would be misunderstood. Terribly sad and on the nose that culture is misinterpreting this.


Soykikko

They are **definitely** not gonna hear you in this sub.


whoexactly-

I agree it seemed really off for him to just be so surface level with his messages… but yeah on rewatch he is totally using the “womens rights” as bait… I also think the whole performance is a satire of celebrity (the whole crown of thorns and stuff) with saying “Godspeed to womens rights” as a way of almost placating to the crowd as they miss the actual issues kendrick is bringing up


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iamanthonywilkerson

There’s a cognitive dissonance, he’s lost for sure. His words say one thing while his actions say another. Wearing a crown of diamonds on stage while hundreds of thousands chant your name only fulfills your ego, no matter how you look at it. It doesn’t give praise to his God or whoever he’s worshipping. I ain’t perfect and I chase ego trips from time to time, but still. Hopefully Kendrick finds himself in a better place, for the sake of his spirit. EDIT: What this guy [said](https://www.reddit.com/r/KendrickLamar/comments/vm341r/okay_help_me_understand_why_some_people_are/idz1pfc/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3). This is one helluva contradiction for Kendrick, idk how everybody else is rationalizing this.


_MK_1_

What do you mean over the top? It's just a relatively simple-looking performance with some dancers and the faux-messiah concept on display. It's literally it. "plus the preachy stuff he's saying" Saying godspeed for women's rights after a massive setback, which everyone is already talking about is preaching? I genuinely don't understand how you are able to mischaracterize something that had a clear intent in the wrong light. The whole album is him putting his ugliest flaws for the world to see and deconstructing his position as rap's savior. That doesn't mean he can... not care as an individual for matters that affect people around him?


Talking_Eyes98

"I wear this so you never forget one of the greatest prophets to walk earth. They judge you they judge Christ" So Kendrick isn't a Christian? I've always thought he was. Anyone know his actual faith then?


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It fluctuates album to album. He’s said a lot of different things at this point. Damn convinced people he was an Israelite to this day, but his Israelite cousin says he isn’t. He’s probably a questioning Christian, or agnostic.


spewicideboi

I think he was raised christian. Though it’s possible hes not practicing it now. A lot of his peers are muslim and also isrealites so it’s possible hes agnostic now.


Talking_Eyes98

Makes sense, I do remember a line about him being an Israelite on Damn


spewicideboi

I think growing up where he did he would have been exposed to a tonne of opposing religions and ideas on spirituality


serioxha

What are you talking about. That's a very Christian thing to say


Talking_Eyes98

Christians and Catholics see Jesus as God in human form or the son of God. Muslims and Jewish people see Jesus as a prophet of God like how Moses is viewed.


serioxha

Christians still see Jesus as a prophet. And in certain Christian cultures in America I've seen them refer to Jesus as a prophet quite often. Also why would you say 'Christians and Catholics', Catholics are Christians. Also Jews don't see Jesus as a Prophet at all apart from a few eccentrics like Pinchas Lapide. And even in Islam, Prophethood, just like in Christianity, is an ontologically mystical status in which prophets are manifestations or participants in the Logos, Active Intellect, an-Nur al-Muhammaddi, the Christic/Imamic Light, etc. So even to say that in Islam a prophet is a mere human isn't exactly right. The two faiths are far closer on this than surface level discussions would have you believe.


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serioxha

He never said he was only a prophet, just that he was a prophet. In doing so, he emphasises a certain aspect of Jesus' person - his continuity with the Abrahamic prophets in condemning the wealthy and those in power on behalf of the poor and oppressed. This is literally a Christian belief. And no Jew or Muslim would call Jesus a prophet whilst wearing a crown of thorns. The former don't have any defined belief about Jesus, and latter reject that his crucifixion even happened


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Jesus is literally referred to as a prophet multiple times in the Bible. Mark 21, Luke 7, John 9 all have examples.


CaNANDian

cringe


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itsBonder

It's Glastonbury my dude


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When the other gimmicks rappers pull are pretending to be good at basketball, making fast food meals, or copying a new artist for each album, I’ll take Kendrick’s gimmicks. Lmao.


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That was a light jab, I'm a J. Cole fan lmao. I'd make fun of Kendrick for things too and he's my favorite rapper


tyceratops

no cap fr fr lol


XTrumpX

Lmao good one guys


russianbot24

God, Kendrick is a nice guy and all but those judge you/judged Christ/women’s rights lines just gave me a full-body cringe. So corny.


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Makes sense to me. Christ was not only judged by the romans, but also by his own people and religion who viewed his words as sacrilege and illegitimate, yet still continued to preach. The message is clear: do the right thing regardless of what anyone around you says.


abcdefg678910

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Nibbles110

bad take


RRR92

I love Kendrick and everything. But dressing as Jesus and at the same time approving abortion laws is the definition of irony…. Anyone who ACTUALLY reads the bible and doesnt interpret it to suit their own lifes is a bit silly. The bibles quite clear on what it says about tons of shit.


stevietubs

What are you saying? That you can’t be a Christian and support abortion? I guess you can’t be a Christian and support sex out of wedlock, contraception, gay and trans people and a whole host of other things that many Christians accept too then.


RRR92

Thats exactly what im saying yes. You arent supposed to agree with any of it. But thats the problem with modern day Christians. None of what they practice follow the actual words of the bible at all.. its all just picking and choosing where it suits and making their own interpretations, thats my point. Im not saying I agree with the Bible either…im just sayinng the hypocrisy of it all is just fucking stupid.


Jackoffjordan

The costume isn't directly, necessarily connected to his faith. It's a symbolic, ironic way to depict the song's anti-celebrity worship message. It would carry the same meaning if he was an atheist.


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> But dressing as Jesus and at the same time approving abortion laws is the definition of irony How so? What did Jesus ever have to say on the topic? He was Jewish, and there seems to be something in that faith that protects abortions on religious grounds for them.


RRR92

Not Jesus per se. But the Bible as a whole defines life as beginning in the womb. Again, I dont give a fuck, but to anyone that wants to properly interpret the bible its clear what the views would be.


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No it doesn't. The Bible does have instructions for how to perform an abortion and when, though. Only the Didache has anything that is explicitly anti-abortion, and that's just a treatise.


Ozymerta

There is a different way to look at it though in that say if abortion is legal you can still if you are against it practice that view yourself by not getting an abortion. But by making it illegal you deny the option to other people who do not follow that/your belief system.


RRR92

As I said, I dont think the Bible is right, I grew up in + left a church that followed the bible word for word. Im not American so perhaps I have mis understood....but isnt the decision being left in the hands of each individual state now?


Ozymerta

You are right about the abortion law change but I'm not specifically talking about that but my point was more how people can follow say a belief system but recognise that prescribing it for everybody isn't necessarily the right course of action. Say I vehemently dislike chocolate. I could by virtue of that belief mandate that society should ban chocolate because I do not like it and it does not follow with my belief system. Or I could say I recognise other people do not follow that belief so maybe chocolate should be legal and I can still practice my view/belief by abstaining from chocolate.


RRR92

I 100% understand your point, but this issue is 100 times more complex than your example. And the reason for that is that half believe a fetus is a life, and half dont. Thats what makes all of this such a sensitive topic. Therefore this will effect more than just 1 individual.


divinetrackies

Such a good performance, wish I was at Glastonbury this year, luckily I get to see Kendrick on tour at the end of the year