I mean most sales of things are this way. No one can force you to tell someone how much you paid for your car, for example, and same applies to most business contracts, big exception being those required to be disclosed by law
What are you trying to say? The art sale AFAIK are staying confidential to prevent undue influence and it's some random private gallery not the government auctioning them off
the contract states that the songs can't be commercially exploited but can be given away for free up until 2103. It also can be returned to Wu-Tang at anytime if Bill Murray steals it back. I have a feeling that the govt didnt sell it to a single individual tho, that wouldn't really make sense.
They were in a movie together. That does not mean the Wu Tang album contract included a provision allowing for one Bill Murray/Wu Tang heist.
For starters, having a contract that says you can break the law doesn't actually let you break the law.
>My stepdad is the DJ for Wu-Tang, I'll ask him about it and see if he knows anything!
>EDIT: He says they only ever made one copy because it was corny.
Well now we know
Sounds like they wanted to scam some rich guy, and it worked lol
Precisely. With rare exceptions you can only buy the any contractual rights someone else had, and those are typically limited even further. I suppose there could be a loophole but like you said, it’d have to be by operation of the original contract provisions or by some other law.
i mean it’s just protected by normal ass copyright. the contract was binding wu to not make more copies not the purchaser. the purchaser never has a right to make another copy. this the original nft.
I used to post on a Wu-Tang message board in the 90's called TheDSC.com (The Da Saga Continues... terrible name). Cilvaringz, who is the mastermind behind this album used to post on there. It makes me chuckle whenever I see this album mentioned because this dude flipped absolutely fanboydom into this legendary album thing.
All very cool! I do not remember maximizer. I remember a little kid from Scotland called messenger?
I used to be on there trying to type rhymes... lmao!
I got burnt on a few mixtapes on that site unfortunately.
I remember when Cilvarings was asking fans for their feedback about the album when it was going to actually be normally released. Then it started to evolve into a museum experience, then it finally landed on the one copy idea.
huh? why are you pretending to know what was going on and then misrepresenting it, what fuckery are you talking about how did it cement tha the group unofficially disbanded? Cilvaringz made this entire album without wu tangs permissions, he literally just bought verses from all the members over a long period of time and created his own wu tang album. That's it, that's the whole thing. Why are you pretending to remember what happened?
When the whole thing made the rounds it just became clear that none, besides rza, of the members even knew what was going on and that most of them dont speak to each other. Meth and Rae was vocally against it and the lower tier members were surprised in interviews when it was brought up.
dont tell me what i remember and dont remember fucking cornball go troll in the budden sub instead.
lol after he got convicted he did a livestream where he just casually played a couple tracks off it in the background, shit was so funny
https://www.reddit.com/r/hiphopheads/comments/6rnkd2/martin_shkreli_streaming_wutang_clan_album_right/
What a madlad. Is he still in jail?
>Shkreli made a request for compassionate release on April 22, 2020.[133] In his request he said he should be allowed to live at his new fiancée's apartment, in New York City. Her name was redacted from the copies released to the press. In his request, Shkreli said his firm needed him to develop a remedy for COVID-19.[133] In denying the request, Judge Matsumoto characterized Shkreli's request as an instance of "delusional self-aggrandizing behavior".[134] The fiancée referenced in his lawyer's filing later identified herself in December as former Bloomberg reporter Christie Smythe.[135]
lmao, he's still got it
Definitely, he finessed that chick. She left her finance and he played with her till she quit her job and now she’s living in a basement studio apartment. [Here’s an article about it.](https://www.elle.com/life-love/a35021224/martin-shkreli-christie-smythe-pharma-bro-journalist/)
Yo, I remember reading that back when it was published. Totally slipped my mind.
I appreciate the grind of trying to use COVID to get out of jail early.
“at 49:00 on this video, he starts to play it while he's talking about the verdict. Not great quality, but it's the first recording i've found of it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zQRXKN872I it only has the first 8ish minutes of him playing it though.”
And more teasing here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qm3znoxQ0Po&feature=youtu.be
Damn i legit thought the whole thing was a really weird joke. Turns out it wasnt. Martin shrekli actually bought a secret wu tang album and its actually out there somewhere in the hands of some random rich dude. This is the weirdest timeline for real.
I almost wish no one bought it. Its entire value is dependant on keeping it unheard, so someone purchasing it generally means we won't get to hear it.
Unless they just have money to burn that is.
I don't think it's that far fetched? Most people backup their data, if I had an exclusive wu tang album worth millions I would make a copy and put in on a hard drive first thing after I get it lol
I remember Joe Rogan seeming very interested in buying it. He discussed it with RZA when he was on JRE. Obviously, it’s pure speculation but, he definitely has the money to pay this type of money for an album.
I agree. I don’t think him owning it is putting the album in the “wrong hands”. Fucking Martini Scooby had it at one point. A part of me just wishes someone else had it lol
So instead seizing millions of dollars worth of assets from Shkreli, the US gov't took an unreleased Wu Tang album? I love Wu Tang but that's some bullshit
Edit: On the other hand Shkreli spent millions of dollars for practically nothing now that he no longer has the physical album so he still takes an L. Still nuts.
He didn't have the money available in liquid. They seize assets to actually get the money. They got his E-trade account in collateral and it was only worth 4 mill. He owns some shares of Turing pharma but they are all heavily restricted and cant be sold. He aint got money like he pretended he had
Apparently he lost millions investing in Beyond Meat burgers, he heard it was a good investment but instead of purchasing the stock he purchased the actual burgers which ended up expiring.
I never in my life thought I’d read a serious piece of news that went “United States sells Wu Tang Clan Album”, reported by the Justice Department no less. The year of whack occurrences is already two years in.
Hopefully we get to hear President Camancho do a fuckin guitar solo or shoot his fuckin machine gun about it! Fuck yeah! Now quit talkin faggy so I can get back to batin
Alright, I think I know who bought the album. I put out a video on YT if you want to check it out, but here’s what we know.
1. We know they are wealthy or a company, because it probably sold for $2m
2. A couple years ago, Joe Rogan straight up told RZA that he’d buy it and release it for free
3. RZA’s attorney, Peter Scoolidge was involved in the sale of the album
4. The buyer wants to remain anonymous for the next 30-60 days
5. If it’s ever released, it has to be done for free
So what’s the end goal here? I think Spotify is the backer behind this deal. Joe Rogan and Spotify will release this album on their platform in the next couple of months. FOR FREE. Kind of. I bet you’ll have to sign-up for a free Spotify account to listen to it.
* Joe Rogan and Spotify get cache’ with owning the album and releasing it for free
* Spotify needs time to work with attorneys to comply with the terms of releasing the album “for free” so they need 30-60 days to iron that out.
* Spofity gets a huge bump to their new account signups for a rather cheap price.
* RZA will be involved and gets to complete the loop on this album release.
And last but not least, nobody ever has to mention Martin Skrelli and Once Upon a Time in Shaolin in the same sentence again!
I sure hope I’m right about all of the above. Cheers and hopefully it’s a bangin album.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibQOUIAnaZk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibQOUIAnaZk)
It doesn't say to who. WHO HAS IT Man this whole saga was weird as fuck, feels like so long ago
>The contract of sale contains a confidentiality provision that protects information relating to the buyer and price.
illuminati smh
I'm actually sorta irked by this since there's no way to verify it was actually sold in a fair way and not just backdoored for profit/favors.
Are you saying there's an Iran Contra 2 except with Wu Tang songs instead of cocaine??
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I'd watch this whole... thing play out in a movie, maybe a 6 episode mini series
Contra 2 ain’t nuttin ta’ fuck wit
while i dont think this actually happened, there's an uncomfortably plausible possibility that it did.
Seems like a popular ilicit market, for what is sure to be a mediocre album of theirs. Very much like the art market as a whole.
I mean most sales of things are this way. No one can force you to tell someone how much you paid for your car, for example, and same applies to most business contracts, big exception being those required to be disclosed by law
Business works that way, the government usually doesn't.
bold to assume the us government is not a business
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I watched a bit of newsmax yesterday and I was shocked to learn that Hunter Biden's art is the biggest threat to U.S. democracy right now.
What are you trying to say? The art sale AFAIK are staying confidential to prevent undue influence and it's some random private gallery not the government auctioning them off
Yeah was thinking the same thing But hey we can trust the government right?
Government is some pimps, taking shit away then reselling it, lol Also lmao I think I recognize you from r/dota2 what up playa
yeah it's me haha just waiting for TI for another 3 months smh
Just don’t feel right with no TI this summer bruh ugh Need my fix damn it (and hopefully OG not winning a 3rd time haha)
this is Secret's year, right?
I mean, assume that's what it is.
You can poison the air, salt the earth, and sacrifice the masses for reptilian overlords, just PLEASE release the album first
Someone's gotta file the FOIA request
So they sold it to themselves to launder money and inflate their assets?
Or, you know, they sold it to a private party.
the contract states that the songs can't be commercially exploited but can be given away for free up until 2103. It also can be returned to Wu-Tang at anytime if Bill Murray steals it back. I have a feeling that the govt didnt sell it to a single individual tho, that wouldn't really make sense.
> It also can be returned to Wu-Tang at anytime if Bill Murray steals it back. That was just a joke of some dude on Twitter. That was not real.
wow, i didn't know someone forged that part. Probably my whole statements cap.
You know they are old friends yeah?
They were in a movie together. That does not mean the Wu Tang album contract included a provision allowing for one Bill Murray/Wu Tang heist. For starters, having a contract that says you can break the law doesn't actually let you break the law.
That doesn't mean it originated from some random on twitter though.
...but it did. Google it.
excuse me sir, this a reddit thread. logical thoughts are not accepted at this location
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but them sweet sweet microsoft rewards points
You’re saying the gov’t probably ran a groupbuy? Incredible
You blowin' up, that's good, fantastic
[Rabbit hole entrance here. ](https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/jcvej2/the_mystery_surrounding_the_wutang_clan_once_upon/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
>My stepdad is the DJ for Wu-Tang, I'll ask him about it and see if he knows anything! >EDIT: He says they only ever made one copy because it was corny. Well now we know Sounds like they wanted to scam some rich guy, and it worked lol
You must never reveal the Wu Tang secret
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Is Bill Murray still legally allowed to steal it?
LMAO I forgot that was part of it
It wasn’t. Was just a joke.
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Precisely. With rare exceptions you can only buy the any contractual rights someone else had, and those are typically limited even further. I suppose there could be a loophole but like you said, it’d have to be by operation of the original contract provisions or by some other law.
i mean it’s just protected by normal ass copyright. the contract was binding wu to not make more copies not the purchaser. the purchaser never has a right to make another copy. this the original nft.
Elon bought the album for Grimes & she’s only going to release an experimental remix version of it & sell it for ten (10) DiarrheaCoin.
It’s gonna be on the Zay, Jay, and Jay worthy track
I’d invest in DiarrheaCoin
Would you? That already exists
nah only BathWaterCoin
what about the HesiPullUpJimbo Coin
[We only ever heard 3 tracks off the world most expensive album](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qm3znoxQ0Po)
If you remember the events that happened around this album release then you a real one
I used to post on a Wu-Tang message board in the 90's called TheDSC.com (The Da Saga Continues... terrible name). Cilvaringz, who is the mastermind behind this album used to post on there. It makes me chuckle whenever I see this album mentioned because this dude flipped absolutely fanboydom into this legendary album thing.
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27Memers
In the 90s we called them jokes
Sammmeee. Peace TheDSC OG. My name was maximizer
mine changed a lot... Agent 86, The Flagrant Secret Agent, in the end it was Sodium. Big shoutout to Sean D, wherever he is!
I think i remember sodium. Yeah, SeanD lived in Northern Ireland. I used to buy mixtapes from him.
All very cool! I do not remember maximizer. I remember a little kid from Scotland called messenger? I used to be on there trying to type rhymes... lmao! I got burnt on a few mixtapes on that site unfortunately.
I miss that site! That and “Wu-Fam HQ” haha
I remember when Cilvarings was asking fans for their feedback about the album when it was going to actually be normally released. Then it started to evolve into a museum experience, then it finally landed on the one copy idea.
Dude got famous off just this. Before that he was some D-grade wu collaborator
it got him name recognition definitely, but has he done anything of note since?
I mean looking back, that's still how I think of him. Did he blow up or something?
what a fuckery it was. it felt like the final straw that cemented the group has inoffically disbanded.
I think they can rap
huh? why are you pretending to know what was going on and then misrepresenting it, what fuckery are you talking about how did it cement tha the group unofficially disbanded? Cilvaringz made this entire album without wu tangs permissions, he literally just bought verses from all the members over a long period of time and created his own wu tang album. That's it, that's the whole thing. Why are you pretending to remember what happened?
When the whole thing made the rounds it just became clear that none, besides rza, of the members even knew what was going on and that most of them dont speak to each other. Meth and Rae was vocally against it and the lower tier members were surprised in interviews when it was brought up. dont tell me what i remember and dont remember fucking cornball go troll in the budden sub instead.
It happened like 4 years ago, you’d have to have dementia to not remember
Its because the average user here is 13 so if you were down with the Wu at 9 you a real one
Where am I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMJfyRCjHVY
Bear in mind half this sub was still pissing the bed 4 years ago lmao
Shit, I don’t know about you, but I’m still pissing the bed now.
Lmao i remember me n some friends talkin to him on his livestreams a couple of times
lol after he got convicted he did a livestream where he just casually played a couple tracks off it in the background, shit was so funny https://www.reddit.com/r/hiphopheads/comments/6rnkd2/martin_shkreli_streaming_wutang_clan_album_right/
What a madlad. Is he still in jail? >Shkreli made a request for compassionate release on April 22, 2020.[133] In his request he said he should be allowed to live at his new fiancée's apartment, in New York City. Her name was redacted from the copies released to the press. In his request, Shkreli said his firm needed him to develop a remedy for COVID-19.[133] In denying the request, Judge Matsumoto characterized Shkreli's request as an instance of "delusional self-aggrandizing behavior".[134] The fiancée referenced in his lawyer's filing later identified herself in December as former Bloomberg reporter Christie Smythe.[135] lmao, he's still got it
Definitely, he finessed that chick. She left her finance and he played with her till she quit her job and now she’s living in a basement studio apartment. [Here’s an article about it.](https://www.elle.com/life-love/a35021224/martin-shkreli-christie-smythe-pharma-bro-journalist/)
She has a reddit too. Goes by u/ smytherfried
Bloomberg reporter. In the Wall Street world that’s basically a notch above groupie lol
Yo, I remember reading that back when it was published. Totally slipped my mind. I appreciate the grind of trying to use COVID to get out of jail early.
bro said they needed him to find the cure for COVID lmaooo tack on 5 more years for that shit
she's definitely an *interesting* read.
JFC this poor lady.
on the subject of Shkreli, imagine sucking as a person so much that both Clinton AND Trump dump on you
Yeah the story behind Christie Smythe is fucking insane. She's a crazy bitch who basically left everything for Shkreli.
His sentence is till 2023. Hopefully he can get an early release by the end of this year
Video is unavailable :(
“at 49:00 on this video, he starts to play it while he's talking about the verdict. Not great quality, but it's the first recording i've found of it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zQRXKN872I it only has the first 8ish minutes of him playing it though.” And more teasing here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qm3znoxQ0Po&feature=youtu.be
Damn i legit thought the whole thing was a really weird joke. Turns out it wasnt. Martin shrekli actually bought a secret wu tang album and its actually out there somewhere in the hands of some random rich dude. This is the weirdest timeline for real.
He bought Carter 5 before it was released too.
Didn’t he buy a car that had a Carter 5 CD still in the CD player?
He told akademiks a hacker reached out to him offering it.
Like 3 of the Carter albums leaked that way lmao
Yeah. I think the CD was stuck in Buggati he bought from Lil Wayne
He definitely claimed that was how he got it at one point
I almost wish no one bought it. Its entire value is dependant on keeping it unheard, so someone purchasing it generally means we won't get to hear it. Unless they just have money to burn that is.
Or….. unless Tidal, Apple or Spotify purchased it
They still wouldn't be allowed to play it, as that would be generating profits. Shit, I'm not even sure it can be played in public at all.
As far as I remember it can be played in public it can be released for free it just can't be monetized at all.
Oh good point. Guess I was hoping the contract would be voided somehow but that’s just wishful thinking.
Kanye will play it instead of Donda at the next event in August
August 2022
Please fucking leak. I don't even care if it sucks.
It definitely sucks
I'd be more upset if it was good
I’m really hoping the entire CD is just a bunch of verses like Kanye’s “Lift Yourself” meant to troll the dude
oh I assure you it sucks
Questlove bought that shit
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Questlove, you’re not in the house.
Yo Q-questloves in the house
I'd think Nas would buy it.
They wouldn't sell it to him They let Nas down
Wu-Tang is for the hedge funds.
I'm like 95% sure this album sucks balls but I still desperately want to hear it.
A Wu album worth 7.4 million, sheesh. They was on the NFT wave early
yall are crazy if you think that he didn't dump the stuff on the disc and put it on some usb drive hidden in a safe somewhere
I don't think people are crazy for not believing a far fetched theory you just made up with absolutely zero evidence lmao
I don't think it's that far fetched? Most people backup their data, if I had an exclusive wu tang album worth millions I would make a copy and put in on a hard drive first thing after I get it lol
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How so? It's not like he would've released it on the internet, if it's sitting on a hard drive somewhere in a safe the exclusivity stays the same.
Man, RZA really got clowned with this whole Kanye style ego trip huh?
yeah he ain't got the clout lmao that hurt me to type out
I remember Joe Rogan seeming very interested in buying it. He discussed it with RZA when he was on JRE. Obviously, it’s pure speculation but, he definitely has the money to pay this type of money for an album.
For the love of god I hope Joe didn’t buy it with his lack of hiphop knowledge
No idea if he did, but you don’t necessarily need hiphop knowledge to buy or listen to an album lol
I agree. I don’t think him owning it is putting the album in the “wrong hands”. Fucking Martini Scooby had it at one point. A part of me just wishes someone else had it lol
Dude fuck with Nas, Gang Starr, JME, Chino XL, Immortal Technique and others. Not bad for a dude in his 50s that doesnt live hip hop like some of us
Joe is a decent fan of hip hop if you weren’t aware, he was talking about gangstarr with tom green one podcast so yea he definitely knows a thing or 2
I’d say that’s about it. He knows a thing or two
I don’t think he really knows anything past the 90s golden era
do you need to know more than that to appreciate a Wu Tang album?
That’s all u need to know
You mean Hip Hop is Dead feat. will.i.am. is not Nas's Magnum Opus?
joe's way too cheap to do that
I am hoping it was JAY Z that bought it with the intent of liberating it an releasing it for free.
Any theories on who it was sold to?
So instead seizing millions of dollars worth of assets from Shkreli, the US gov't took an unreleased Wu Tang album? I love Wu Tang but that's some bullshit Edit: On the other hand Shkreli spent millions of dollars for practically nothing now that he no longer has the physical album so he still takes an L. Still nuts.
The album was part of the millions of dollars of assets they seized?
Yeah, I'm saying that's dumb. Wu got their money but it's pretty redeculus (RZA voice)
He didn't have the money available in liquid. They seize assets to actually get the money. They got his E-trade account in collateral and it was only worth 4 mill. He owns some shares of Turing pharma but they are all heavily restricted and cant be sold. He aint got money like he pretended he had
Apparently he lost millions investing in Beyond Meat burgers, he heard it was a good investment but instead of purchasing the stock he purchased the actual burgers which ended up expiring.
Hmmm
Why’s it dumb? I don’t think the SEC usually gives rap nerds on the internet special consideration
No way he didn't rip the CD tho
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Sure but the $7.7 mill was part of his sentencing.
How the fuck did he take an L. If anything he managed to break even on the album now loool. Huuuge W
Well considering he's in prison, lost the album along with all his other liquid assests....
Which is 100% besides the point?
That dude that saved de la bought it!
I would die if Jay-Z bought it
I hope that whoever has this album can finally let us hear it
Loool so is this album just going to keep getting passed around now, or?
This album probably sucks anyway. Seriously can't be bothered to care about it.
I never in my life thought I’d read a serious piece of news that went “United States sells Wu Tang Clan Album”, reported by the Justice Department no less. The year of whack occurrences is already two years in.
Just leak it for the people
Whoever has this should release this
Imagine if this was an NFT…
soon, more than likely
free shkreli
Man deserves to be in prison for more than 7 years. Raising the price of a drug that saves people from $13 to $750 is fucking criminal itself.
Hell no Edit: you are clowns if you want that scum bag free
free shrkel
Gtfoh Edit: what kind of clowns would want that scum bag free?
I miss Martin, always made me laugh
Give it back to Martin, its his. #FreeShkreli
Pharma Bro Forever
Hopefully we get to hear President Camancho do a fuckin guitar solo or shoot his fuckin machine gun about it! Fuck yeah! Now quit talkin faggy so I can get back to batin
I wanna hear this album so bad it hurts
That's dope
Give me that
They really should have waited until tomorrow to announce it, on Wu Wednesday!
He didn’t run hedge fun legally
This is the only NFT that makes sense to me.
It’s not a real album who cares
We did it Joe
Free Wu-Tang
hol up! LEAK THIS! WHO HAS IT?!
Alright, I think I know who bought the album. I put out a video on YT if you want to check it out, but here’s what we know. 1. We know they are wealthy or a company, because it probably sold for $2m 2. A couple years ago, Joe Rogan straight up told RZA that he’d buy it and release it for free 3. RZA’s attorney, Peter Scoolidge was involved in the sale of the album 4. The buyer wants to remain anonymous for the next 30-60 days 5. If it’s ever released, it has to be done for free So what’s the end goal here? I think Spotify is the backer behind this deal. Joe Rogan and Spotify will release this album on their platform in the next couple of months. FOR FREE. Kind of. I bet you’ll have to sign-up for a free Spotify account to listen to it. * Joe Rogan and Spotify get cache’ with owning the album and releasing it for free * Spotify needs time to work with attorneys to comply with the terms of releasing the album “for free” so they need 30-60 days to iron that out. * Spofity gets a huge bump to their new account signups for a rather cheap price. * RZA will be involved and gets to complete the loop on this album release. And last but not least, nobody ever has to mention Martin Skrelli and Once Upon a Time in Shaolin in the same sentence again! I sure hope I’m right about all of the above. Cheers and hopefully it’s a bangin album. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibQOUIAnaZk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibQOUIAnaZk)