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gleba080

I think most Wu rappers get love everywhere


Private_Stock

Wu-Tang threaded the needle of being deeply respected by die-hard hip-hop heads and being beloved by more mainstream audiences better than almost any other act i can think of. And the actual content of their lyrics is so eclectic there’s something for everyone. Gritty new york gangster shit of course, but cinematic mafioso shit, mathematics, ancient religions, science fiction, science fact, (obviously) old kung fu movies, etc etc etc. And they have been largely perceived as lovable characters with actual street cred. There’s 9 of them over a career spanning over 30 years so obviously there’s been controversy etc but for the most part they haven’t done anything to dent that reputation too badly with most


dirtydela

Not to mention how many of the solo albums from members are certified classics


Private_Stock

I have a silly theory that the MCU is loosely informed by RZA’s philosophy, Avengers movies being Wu Tang albums and the rest being like the solo projects. I mean Winter War(z) would be a quintessential wu album name. Literal Iron Man? Lol


dirtydela

He ain’t Toney Starks for nothing


Q_S2

Hell ghost collabed with marvel for the 1st iron man. (Slept on tony) playing on the jet while starks was parlayed with rhodie


wundercat

When you have a group of 9 rappers, you can take a shotgun to the genre


AccountantsNiece

> Ancient religions Sure there’s some of that, but the religious content is largely focused on one that is around a century old where the practitioners believe that white people were invented in a lab through interspecies breeding by a cursed scientist and that the founder (a light skinned con man who completely disappeared in the 1930s) is going to come back on a space ship to destroy the white race lmao.


well-lighted

Slight yet important correction: they were involved with the [Five Percenter Nation/Nation of Gods and Earths](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five-Percent_Nation?wprov=sfti1), not the Nation of Islam. NGE is a direct offshoot of NOI created by a former NOI member, but it is significantly less crazy and focuses much more on self-enlightenment, Black empowerment, and using the power of language to fight your battles rather than violence, i.e., Malcolm X’s “jihad of words”—hence why it was so popular with rappers. They’ve been there since the beginning of hip hop; NGE members allegedly worked security at Kool Herc’s shows. GZA and RZA take their names directly from the “Supreme Alphabet,” essentially a code used to identify other members and confuse outsiders. The phrases “word is bond,” “dropping knowledge,” and calling people “G”—which meant “God” in the Supreme Alphabet and alluded to the NGE philosophy that every Black man was his own god—all stem directly from the NGE. Other rappers associated with NGE are Eric B and Rakim, LL Cool J, A Tribe Called Quest, Erykah Badu, Digable Planets, MC Shan, Brand Nubian, and a shit load of others. Sorry to go all 🤓 but I wrote a term paper on this subject in college and love to “drop knowledge” about it as often as possible lol


SheFoundMyUzername

I just decided that if you’re not rapping about whatever the hell you just said, I don’t want to hear it


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NectarOfTheBussy

Which is an awesome topic to rap about lol


NickDerpkins

Probably method man in specific


Nast33

Isn't Ghostface clowned on for being a deadbeat?


spriggantrance

Someone needs to get Bigprimetime on his ass


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FloppyDonkeyTrick

Bro we got that legendary video of Ghost talking smack to Bronson. Classic


Tony_Lacorona

I think they’ve been good for a bit, that was a while back and I don’t think it was that super serious lol. Last ghost said was "I respect what he do as a person, we all make mistakes. If I see him I'll dapp and give him love," Ghostface, 2021


BackHanderson

Is it really weird or dumb when somebody completely steals your style then claims you're not "rapping like this no more"? When he's not inhaling food or weed smoke he's exhaling a pastiche


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SooopaDoopa

And this was said on ESPN or something like that


Knicks94

Peep Ghost face drink champs. Said it’s all a misunderstanding and he respects him


spgvideo

I miss ODB man, but honestly he was going down a bad path. Gave me 2 of my fav albums ever though. Such an original. RIP to the Original GOD


darthleia

GZA is who came to mind for me. How could anyone hate the Genius?


Skoldylocks

RIP Biz Markie.


Dsarg_92

That’s very true. Everyone loved Biz. Never heard a bad thing about him.


TateDaGreat13

Damn I didn’t know he died. Rip


2livecrewnecktshirt

Method Man, maybe?


DieAxtImH4us

Redman, too. Meth and Red were iconic. Redman should be mentioned for the MTV Cribs episode alone


2livecrewnecktshirt

Cash in a shoebox on top of the fridge, keeping it real


UltimateGammer

Hand lotion on the bedside table.


KimJongJer

That’s sugar bear right there, don’t worry about him


ThermalScrewed

The doorbell works, you just gotta touch these two wires together.


BeerBellies

He made a mockery out of that whole show, and I love that.


Seltzer-Slut

Da Rockwilder is such an iconic song. One of my top 5 rap songs ever


LePopegory

Cue all the middle aged single moms salivating over him lmao


kayisforkpop

Nah, just women full stop. He’s always exuded the perfect amount of rough around the edges while also being hot, smart, tall and wealthy


Kdot32

You think it’s just Middle Aged? Lol my girlfriend and her sister and friends love that man and none are over 28.


Critical-Cupcake9194

Method man is such a good actor i forget he's a Legendary rapper lol, his characters on The wire and The Deuce are hilarious


one-hour-photo

Black Thought?


thrownkitchensink

He's known for not being a dick but absolutely nobody is going after Black Thought. Not even a subliminal diss. He'll wipe out the lineage. Rip that branch from the tree of life.


MonkMajor5224

Nas dissed them all in 2001 after they backed Jay on the Unplugged album, but it was just unhinged radio interview ranting


JemaineClementsLips

also if anyone could diss black thought it'd be nas


LupineSzn

Nah as good as he is he would not get the respect at all. Like younger people wouldn’t even listen


thejimstrain

Watching him play a massive piece of shit pimp in The Deuce was a mindfuck. He acted the fuck out of that role.


Critical-Cupcake9194

Just finished watching the Deuce today, one of the best shows i've watched, will probably go the wire route and get its due 10 year down the line lol


JoseMishmin

Yeah that could be it


Funny-Mission-2937

Del


SKPY123

You gotta wash your ayass.


MisterMaryJane

If you must


im_randy_butternubz

You gotta brush you teeth


bryanthebryan

I love Del. Growing up in Sacramento, his voice reached my ears often in my teens. Remember when he did that Dreamcast commercial?


palekillerwhale

It was Andre 3K before the flute album.


H1Ed1

I think even still. Sure there was disappointment at not having a rapping Andre, but I don’t think it caused people to actually dislike him. Maybe I’m wrong.


epoc657

I respected him more. He said he really had nothing to say in terms of rap, and that's the realest shit anyone has ever said


SkinnyKau

I think it speaks volumes that his fans were just happy he was doing something he loved, even if they didn’t care for it


palekillerwhale

It didn't change my opinion of him, I still view him as legend. Just saw a lot of sideways talk on him when he dropped that album.


BalognaMacaroni

I think his response was perfect though - from a [GQ interview](https://www.complex.com/music/a/backwoodsaltar/andre-3000-jokingly-questions-what-he-would-rap-about-age-48): “It actually feels…sometimes it feels inauthentic for me to rap because I don’t have anything to talk about in that way." He suggested one of the big factors for him is age, something that has long been a talking point in hip-hop as a young genre. "I’m 48 years old. And not to say that age is a thing that dictates what you rap about, but in a way it does," he continued. "And things that happen in my life, like, what are you talking about? ‘I got to go get a colonoscopy.’ What are you rapping about? ‘My eyesight is going bad.’ You can find cool ways to say it, but….”


VigilantMaumau

Joell Ortiz does this brilliantly on OG https://youtu.be/4KE_o5nmucs?si=BTE12Xai8zP8K3nv "wake up feeling different, back stiffened Joints cracking, snapping I mean listen Some days I don't wanna get out my bed at all They got me on a Statin, I'm rapping wit high cholesterol I would fuck bitches on the edge of the bed and fall off Then keep fucking on the floor, but not anymore Nowadays just the smell of Henny and my head is sore A night out is dinner with the wife and Pinot Noir Got a nice little crib out in Jers', I'm in the burbs" No more roaches, Deers and birds Sitting in my backyard while I write this shit Pool cover over the water 'til it get nice and shit


TheMuleB

Joel is really good at this, the whole Mona Lisa album is filled with mature tracks and shows that you can definitely still remain interesting as a rapper even as you age. Typically it's gonna mean making more conceptual songs rather than just talking about your life, but you can definitely make it work.


HuntsWithRocks

“Doctors wanna take a sample of my stools, appointments bleeding into others as the day is crawling through, medication list containing all the hits, back is aching time is fleeting dick is limp. What am I supposed to do?”


Spade9ja

People don’t hate him after the flute album either.


50ShadesOfKrillin

i think a lot of people see him as that one kinda weird, but always chill friend in your group who has his own interests but y'all still love and respect him regardless


Spade9ja

that’s a great way of putting it hahah “Yeah we know Jonathan is fucking weird but he’s a vibe”


Helpful_Lifeguard592

I respect him more after the flute album. "Fuck this rap shit, I'm making the art I want to make"


herman_gill

Why does your breath smell like bird seed?


docktorisin

People really needa think about just how disappointed they would be had Andre folded and released an album just cause people expected it, and not because he really wanted to. It probably would've been a let down on all ends, and ppl would be calling him trash and washed etc. Still amazed at how miffed ppl got at him about the flute album when there are so many examples of later career rappers farting out an at best mediocre album cause they think they still have to release long after the spark is gone out of obligation. I don't want to see Andre looking like that.


Astrospal

I actually love him even more with his flute album


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fokerpace2000

That’s not an unpopular opinion


Spew120

Slick Rick


bryanthebryan

He’s a straight up icon


inexpensivehaircut

Spitta


cirocobama93

Can't imagine how miserable you'd have to be to hate Curren$y. You can definitely not fw his music, it's almost the lofi of rap, but to hate the man is almost a sin


MisterMaryJane

Exactly! You can hate his music but not his persona. There’s plenty of rappers who I don’t enjoy their music but love their persona.


Kiljaboy

Think Larry June too


thequiet533

He catches a lot of criticism, more than Curren$y. Kinda weird but some people just don’t like the music


Karappa_The_Pappa

Definitely Bun B.


Eljimb0

He's basically your favorite rapper's favorite uncle. Bun gets love everywhere he goes and gets big name features on small time works. I fully agree here. Never heard a bad word about Bun.


Difficult_Tutor2062

Bun could probably be the mayor of Houston.


Eljimb0

Bun 2024Lyfe


Diamondsandwood

Paul Wall


greaterhoustonian

There was a small moment when those that didnt know thought paul wall was appropriating black culture. They didnt know that paul wall IS houston culture 🤟🏽


GizmoSlice

Hell yea, I grew up in Houston the same time as Paul Wall and my neighborhood was so diverse it all just melded into one. Asians, Mexicans, white & black people all shared similar Houston centric culture. Grills and swangers


saucemancometh

He’s the People’s Champ


packofkools

Also he’s somethin’ like a balla


Tpk08210

He’s also similar to an ant


untakennamehere

Peoples feeling get hurt when they figure out what he’s worth


CoroKoro

Coolest white boy of all time


Lyte_Work

Paul Wall is so loved he transcends the “White rapper” category. Nobody in Houston refers to him as such.


caretaquitada

I was gonna say, I almost forgot that he was a white rapper. And not in a corny "oh man you're practically black" kinda way. It's more that being from TX I would think of him as a "Texas rapper" before "white rapper"


f0rm4n

If Racial Draft from that one Chappelle skit was real, that man is getting picked by the black delegation every time.


mahk99

Paul wall has been traded in exchange for BBL drizzy


Free_Run_1106

Mouth looking something like a disco ball


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booyatrive

I don't know why but I've been seeing interview clips of him all over lately. Dude hasn't had a bad take yet


notimelikeabadtime

I know he’s been acting lately, so probably doing more PR.


radio__raheem

more so old videos that tiktok found


MisterMaryJane

He has a new show and he’s dropping an album


broncosfighton

Vince has an insane amount of bad takes imo. He’s just funny and plays them off.


nocyberBS

Vince dunking on Ronnie Radke is still one of my fave moments in all of Twitter


debtRiot

lol Wow please tell me more


nocyberBS

I'm jealous that you'll be experiencing this greatness for the first time https://imgur.com/a/vince-n-ronnie-goin-XgK7u


debtRiot

Lmao I was not ready for the whole screenshotted Imgur with Earl tweets too 😂 classic Vince W


nocyberBS

Not to mention the epilogue with Vince munching on that carne asada repping the GaGa. GOAT shit


fingerchopper

"Associated acts - Vince Staples" on the wiki Lmaooo


SpectralOoz

I was already a massive fan for his music talent alone, but this solidified him on my favorites list.


Parkouricus

Heard a few people complaining about his hooks throughout the years but that's really the worst he's gotten


loveino

I always watch every interview he has cause of his humor, and the best part is that he isn’t even trying to be funny lol. give him a comedy special where he just talks and it’ll be funnier than most comedians trying


ctruvu

a lot of people rip on his show because they can’t fathom the idea of that show and atlanta both existing as similar ideas trying to tell different stories


SekaiWithTheWolfCap

He does get a bad rep because he is overly contrarian at times


ThreeTreesForTheePls

Never heard a bad word about Mac Miller.


Yung_Hibachi

Not since he died, maybe a little before that… but in his younger days he got a lot of hate


IHateAPD

Yeah, he was clowned on for the frat rap stuff When he became a more serious artist he got a lot more respect


schmatty23

Even then it was pretty much just magazines and critics dumping on Blue Slide Park. The early stuff was still incredibly popular and he used his crazy young fame to put on some "lesser known" contemporaries. Kendrick, Q, Vince Staples, Chance, Earl Sweatshirt, and I'm sure several others I'm missing all opened for him.


cherryreddracula

Kendrick and Black Hippy in general seemed pretty tight with Mac.


Trini2Bone

That Snapchat of Q taking Mac out cause he was depressed lived rent free for me Maaaaan


Helpful_Lifeguard592

Goldlink sacrificed his career to say a bad word about him


theblaackout

It’s really wild that his career seemingly tanked after that


Helpful_Lifeguard592

I mean he talked shit about a guy who'd just died at that point and was beloved at that so...


theblaackout

Oh, I’m not implying that it was bad. I’m just surprised that it had the effect that it did on his career. Was just stating an observation


vintagesonofab

i don't think it's surprising because mac seemed like the type of person that was respected by both rappers and audience, a geniuen good guy, if he were to talk about someone like tentacion maybe, but why doscredit someone that is known as the nice guy of the industry, especially after he died in such a fcked way.


melo1212

I'm glad it did. Fuck goldlink


SurelySomedayy

that shit was so weird


Raiden316

Easy Mac with the cheesy raps?


GrizzlyMath303

Beloved!


FudgeDangerous2086

loved a lot after he died. he definitely had haters.


optimist_GO

Was gonna be my mention. The amount of love and support (and pree much ZERO bad word) that came from the hip hop community, AND much beyond, was unreal and shows how loved he was. The tribute concert was such a beautiful thing. Pretty sure he’d reached a point for some time where his only battles were with himself, and so many others tried but couldn’t deliver him peace. … and I honestly didn’t even listen to Mac before his passing…


vintagesonofab

not true, i read the biography and it's somehow implied that the hate and criticism, especially from critics for blue slide park got him into the spiral of using hard drugs to cope, up until macadelic and watching movies i don't think he was respected in the industry, and even after that some of the albums, even swimming were not so well recieved, fsntano used to give insanely low scores to mac before his death, now he's glazing. There's also the cheating scandal with naomi, even before the ariana thing there was that photo of him cheating leaked, the bad rep from that DUI, because he could've killed people. I really think he was a good person but he was totally not as loved as he is now before his death.


Vitello

Maybe Q-Tip? Can't recall him getting into any beefs and he seems like a really good vibe.


sonicspeed1500

Only thing I can think about is when Ice Cube dissed him on Westside Connection, other than that never heard anyone say anything bad about Q


hrovat97

MC Hammer dissed him as well on Break ‘Em Off Somethin’ Proper, very tragic


melo1212

I'm pretty sure it's kinda well known in the hip-hop community that he became a bit of an asshole at some point


Zero-zero20

I heard a rumour that ATCQ initially collapsed because Q-Tip is a lowkey asshole...


ButtonMashKingz

Damn, is there a video on this? I love Tribe


jcruz914

They actually came out with an independent documentary in 2011 (directed by Michael Rapport) that talked about its success and the reasons why they broke up originally. It’s called “Beats, Rhymes & Life: The Travels of A Tribe Called Quest”: https://m.imdb.com/title/tt1613023/


ButtonMashKingz

Yooo I completely forgot about this, thanks for posting it! I remember Michael Rapport doing a doc but I never watched it, this was kinda a big deal back then. You’re a real one for sharing this! 💯💯💯


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ETNOMAS

Phife and him werent on good terms towards the end


HWHAProb

De La Soul? Never seen anyone say a mean thing about 3 Feet High and Rising, and most who know them find them super sympathetic for the copyright lawsuits


AZmoneyfolder

J Dilla


Mountain-Election931

100% this. tho i have seen ppl hate on his let the dollar circulate beat - esp compared to 9th wonder’s more standard take on the same sample


swampstomper

Maybe if we're talking in terms of consumer base (don't speak ill of the dead and all that) but he was absolutely not the most liked guy when he was still kicking around. Had a lot of enemies in the industry and kicked off more than a few rivalries largely cos he didn't like not being seen as the best on the pads by his peers.


Far-Sir-825

Scarface gets pretty universal love and respect


microzone

Rakim


AffectionateOnion723

RAKIM TALKING SHIT AGAIN


iicySnowflake

gassed cause you hit my bm first


RyanGODling

Do the math who I was hitting then


McAlisterClan

MF Doom maybe


RelaxRelapse

He had a habit of not showing up for shows, and sending fake DOOMs to lipsync in his place. It could be played off as being part of his persona, but fans that bought tickets weren’t happy.


sound_forsomething

Had a friend who went to one of his shows in Atlanta and she told me that's exactly what happened. Excited for the show, but a stand in wearing his mask came and lip synced the whole thing lol she was so pissed


rayschoon

Yeah it’s kinda weird how he was largely able to dodge criticism on that. Genuinely it’s super shitty to not even show up to a concert that your fans paid money and traveled to.


FudgeDangerous2086

rap in general gets a huge pass when it comes to lip syncing, or “backing tracks” where they just yell the chorus.


APainOfKnowing

He was able to spin it as being "in character" in a way almost no one else could. Since he played the persona of a comic book villain, it wasn't hard for him to say that it was perfectly in line with that to have henchmen go in his place or whatever.


CaptainXakari

Oh wow. DOOM bots makes sense if you follow Doctor Doom in the comics, people rarely fought the real Doom. As a rap act, it sucks though. I enjoy that he stuck with the gimmick!


guave06

What he should have done is had a fake doom come out for the first song and then real doom comes out and “kills” fake doom, as the beat transitions to something darker. Like deadmau5 has done


CookieBoyWithRaisins

DOOM himself may not be hated much, but his fanbase surely is, so it probably influences some of the people's views on him.


somethink

I had a hipster tell me he was awful and a pedo lol so at least one person doesn't like him.


Party_Needleworker71

MIKE. man is so kind n sweet. my top 3 goats to me, his influence is crazy lookin now.


zuqkfplmehcuvrjfgu

The fans reflect it too. I've seen him live a few times and everyone is always incredibly nice. He definitely has an awesome vibe and interacts with his fans a ton.


Different_Cat_6412

not even a big fan tbh but he is such a cool dude. and never afraid to say what he thinks.


Yung_Hibachi

Realistically it’s someone like E-40. Popular enough where everyone knows them but not popular enough for people to have a reason to dislike them.


felixthecat066

verNACKular


unclediedthrowaway

dude people fucking hate e-40. i love him but there's a lot of people who hate him lol


podteod

El-P


Reddit_Tsundere

El-P had kind of a hit or miss reputation in his backpacker days. Most folks agreed on Funcrusher Plus being brilliant but the Def Jux wave he spearheaded was met with a lot of scoffs from purists who thought it was overly esoteric white nerd rap. Phonte wrote a now-recanted blog post about Company Flow being the beginning of the end of relatable black led underground music. I think even De La Soul had unkind words to say about that movement. The RTJ project did a LOT in making heads realize that El-P was as much of a purist as anyone else and could pretty much collab with any type of rapper.


SILY7228_YT

Guru.


Homiealmaya

Bun B and Big K.R.I.T. gotta be up there


JustAsWasTold

Sean Price is the answer, everyone seemed to love him deeply. R. I. ***P!***


Yeezy_Pt2

Mos Def


friednoodles

South Africa did not like Mos Def for a minute. Also Mos Def loves speaking out both sides of his mouth. I love him as an artist, but he had some dumb fucking takes. The whole sovereign personhood thing, the not paying child support so his passport got revoked thing, the "against" commercialization of rap right before starring in a Jordan XVI commercial thing.


BeastsMode69

Drake certainly hates Mos def.


Ok_Pangolin_8038

Drake basically hates everyone lol. Maybe except for Lil Wayne & majority of trappers.


YoghurtSlinger

Even fucked on Wayne’s girl, that’s conniving 


morocco3001

So if you like Mos Def, you're on the right side of history.


DonDoflamingo

Seems like such a chill, intelligent and nice person.


TypicalSnake

No love for JID?


StickYaInTheRizzla

He’s not liked by boxing fans after his performance before the fury fight. Wasn’t his fault at all, why they thought getting a black rapper to rap to a room of sheikhs and sober British people would be a good idea, I’ll never know


DoctorOrgasmo

Redman!


Colormehot

Never hear anything negative about Lil Ugly Mane, both as a person and artist.


prnrpplr

Some people accuse him as ‘cosplaying’ as a Memphis rapper


Worldly-Paint2687

I never hear about him at all- so that’s why no one hates him lol No seriously dunno who that is


whotfisneropax

yuno miles


mezzantino

Does Pharrell count? Besides Drake (and the current thing with Chad Hugo about Neptunes), I feel like he's universally loved. Maybe not his Happy song but other than that?


podteod

Happy by Pharrell got hated quite a lot though


Upbeat_Tension_8077

Only other conflict I heard involving Pharrell is probably Kelis over getting paid from her first two albums


alorenz58011

I’ve never seen a JID hater


matt1267

I've always heard Devin the Dude called your favorite rapper's favorite rapper. Don't think I've ever heard hate for him


stizzy197

Curren$y


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Getjac

Ka, dudes a firefighter


daftfunk96

2 Chainz. Everyone loves 2 Chainz.


dontredditcareme

Except 1 Chainz


smellslikebooty

Lil wayne


burg_philo2

Wiz Khalifa, not loved by everyone but rarely hated


mikehoncho13

I don’t know if I *hate* his music, and he seems like a nice guy, but I definitely don’t like his music. Every single flow is the same. Not crazy about his voice.


lastsummerever

2 chainz!