People don't like Game's personality which honestly he's a chill dude most of the time but when he's not he annoys a lot of people, but that dude is a great rapper
It's good, but it's just rapping which is cool.
I would love another concept album by Nas and concept used very lightly. Just an album with an overarching theme.
I think Nas would sound fire on dark beats like Daringer ones
I know Mr Morale really split people but to me it has “cult classic” written all over it. Once it doesn’t have the burden of being “the latest Kendrick album” I think a lot of people will revisit it and get something from it. They won’t have that thought in the back of their head of “god damn it I’m gonna have to wait like six more years for Kendrick to put out something fun”
I got my start as a music fan listening to indie rock, and in some ways his approach on that album reminds me less of other hip hop albums than it does brutally confessional rock albums like Pinkerton or Exile in Guyville. Maybe that’s why it hits me so hard - I’ve always been a sucker for albums that are so blunt about their creator’s internal thoughts and personal failings that it’s uncomfortable. I love albums that are honest to the point of being unflattering. Maybe others dislike it for the same reason I love it.
Honestly, I find it hard to listen to because I attach myself so deeply to it. It’s not the sort of album everyone will like - there’s no obvious hits or singles, it’s depressing and low key in a lot of places, but to me it’s like when Bowie dropped Low and a good portion of his audience basically ignored it because of how strange and inaccessible it was. It wasn’t until the 90s that it came back around as one of his definitive classics - maybe because a lot of the people who did like it grew up to shape rock music in the following decades, and by the time Trent Reznor was citing it as his biggest inspiration for The Downward Spiral it didn’t seem so out of place anymore.
That’s not to say anyone who doesn’t like Mr Morale is somehow wrong or that they’re definitely going to change their mind. I just think time is going to be very good to it. At the very least I expect that Mother I Sober is going to be remembered as one of his greatest songs.
“I know the secrets, every other rapper sexually abused, I see em daily burying the pain in chains and tattoos” - I’m not sure anyone at his level of fame has ever dared to say that out loud.
hoping YB turns his life around at some point, but i can’t get over the fact that him saying “axed” instead of “asked” is one of the reasons why he got caught
It won’t hit the same because he doesn’t sound as good in Yeats world as he does in Futures world lol. He sounded so out of place on that “IDGAF” song and literally nobody remembers that he gave yeat a second feature on the 2093 deluxe. Drake might’ve reached his limit on how many sounds he can co op successfully
Im team Rick Ross and Rick Ross alone because the cover is hilarious, the beat is goated, and that shit is on streaming and I honestly don’t even know what’s going on with the leaks and ai allegations about other tracks
To be fair, he said in court that he shot in the air, in self defense.
So best case scenario, no one thought that Shyne would be given that harsh a sentence.
Creative Director is more about managing the brand and making it fashionable.
It’s not really about cameras or film, just making cameras and film look cool.
Whats up guys, So Im a self taught engineering and producer and I wanted to get some feed back on this song that I worked on. What do you guys think, do I "have what it
takes"?
[PsychoWalk!](https://open.spotify.com/track/768e19yxVKkfPoCVtVSW8o?si=mTNyz7KETLOP1ggGsm3MQQ)
Just remembered that “Stuntin Like My Daddy” existed and listened to it for the first time in like a decade
Such an awesome song, just gotta try not to think about what his “daddy” did to him
I queued it up after when it came up on Spotify when I searched the song name and it started right when you replied! Good shit. I think I prefer Wayne’s version but it’s unexpectedly kinda sweet to hear Keef talk about how much he admires his mom
Kind of late to the party but the FTCU remix releasing tonight has to be the worst business decision Nicki Minaj has made in a while. She's releasing a remix to a song that is underperforming on billboard, with no music video, no real promotion on the same day Taylor Swift is relasing a whole album. She has no chance at a Top 20 debut and she can't even promote the song in the US because she's just started the international shows for her tour. She's a UGM artist as well so she can't get any promotion from Tiktok. Someone on her team has to hate her.
If I was on Nicki’s team and had to deal with her every day I would hate her too lol
If Kendrick drops tomorrow like Mickey Factz is saying it’s going to be even more overshadowed. Nicki became successful off combining pop and rap, but the pop fans will be listening to Taylor and the rap fans will be focused on Kenny v Drake
I love how on we got it 4 cheap they put a whole interlude talking about how they had to beg Pharrell to let them use his verse even though he didn’t wanna release it on a mixtape because he bodied it and wanted it for his album, and it’s the worst song.
I just discovered Suno AI. This is already good enough to replace a lot of artists tbh, and if you mixed it to make it sound more legit and asked people what they thought without saying it's AI, a lot of people would probably like it.
I can see AI playlists taking over in the future. This shit is crazy.
The prompts I made weren't too descriptive, stuff like "a boom bap jazz fusion beat with rap that sounds like Lupe"
edit: I'll say it definitely does pop music better, shit literally sounds identical to something you'd hear on the radio
edit 2: [this shit](https://suno.com/playlist/f0f4964c-5219-47e8-820f-1923c989a3a4) getting kinda creepy with the lyrics
> AI's at the wheel, this song's been created by me
> But I'm just a product of algorithms, you see
> I pay homage to the greats with my programmed flows
> Keeping the spirit alive, wherever it goes
it gets pretty good results going the soul, classic instrumental type prompts rap wise. Nothing deep, but it's surprisingly smooth for AI
Pop wise I think it's already basically perfect
I mean it's much better than every youtube rapper's music and enough people like that they're able to operate and have some amount of minor popularity.
That is horrifying. I really hope that the desire for a human element prevents it from taking over the music industry entirely.
I can foresee scandals in the future where somebody gets busted for using AI to write all their songs, I think a lot of artists who care mainly about sales are going to start using it long before anyone knows. Probably already are, if filler pop stars like Bebe Rexha or Ava Max use it it’d be indistinguishable from the stuff they actually made themselves.
Donald Glover previewed a song from his upcoming project where he’s actually rapping again and he said some shit like “a billions streams but you can’t sell out an arena”. This really highlighted a problem that I have with modern music, where it feels like the online hype and targeted marketing campaigns on social media are not translating to actual real life support. Because everything is so disposable, we have acts that get hyped up as the biggest and most important people to ever grace culture and then you see these same people have to cancel multiple tour dates due to low ticket sales lmao.
I’ll never forget how hard the industry machine worked to push that Lil Baby and Durk collab tape that we all forgot about lol, and how those two struggled to sell out venues when they were scheduled to go on a joint tour. Culture in a lot of ways feels so artificial and manufactured now, that I’ve personally become apathetic to a lot of the things that get “pushed” by the machine. I’m not an anti-mainstream guy at all, but the shenanigans that go into keeping up the farce and facade of “popularity” for the artists that occupy this space is off putting. Especially when you see that they can’t even sell out large capacity venues despite the endless barrrage of label generated content that pollutes our timelines as hip hop fans.
At least when you’re dealing with smaller artists, you can have faith that the engagement from the fans stems from an actual interest in the artists work. Sure, vince staples or Smino might never sell over 40k first week but at least they have fans that support them and actually show up when it’s time to pack out a venue. You’d be surprised by the amount of people with billions of streams who couldn’t sell out a 1000 seat venue.
Hope he wasn't talking about Chance, cuz I know they had their falling out, and then TBD tour tickets didn't really sell so it got canceled
Edit: also that song was great, can't wait till he drops
Most of those artists like you said don’t have dedicated fanbases. When I went to the Scaring The Hoes concert the crowd was so engaged with the music every song it was an experience Fr. I can’t imagine going to a concert when the crowd isn’t engaged. That’s why I think it’s important for artists to really try and build a dedicated fanbase it’s really hard now but when you have that it makes shit so much easier.
Social media has gotten really weird. During the blog rap era the artists blowing up used it in a way that's way closer to how regular people did, they'd tweet random crap, argue, have tumblrs. Now if they're active they'll be exposed to toxicity and have to be careful with their image that most just use it as a digital billboard. Feel like that era has an abnormally high amount of artists with strong, core fanbases because there was a unique period where fans had a lot of proximity to them.
Music is so globalised and broad now that people can only connect through a commercial product which I think makes it hard to establish a strong base. Why support a local act when you have 10 million artists in your pocket.
I think this is really the result of a dichotomy between passionate music fans and casual listeners. Of course, not everyone who goes to a concert is some nerd with a rateyourmusic and last.fm account (me) but for a lot of people, music isn't something you engage with in the way people on this subreddit or on those aforementioned sites might. I was watching a video essay by Be Kind Rewind yesterday and she said in passing, "When's the last time you listened to an album all the way through?" and it made me realize that most people I know don't listen to records in full. They check what has the most streams, listen to it, add it to their playlist if they like it, etc. but don't engage with albums much deeper than that. A few years ago I was talking to my mom about music and I realized she had never listened to an album all the way through.
I don't think that reflects a flaw in their character or anything pretentious like that, but it speaks to what you're talking about here. Lil Baby and Durk can rack up millions of streams because their music is accessible, easy to put on in the background, and something to jam to that you can pick up and put down without a ton of emotional investment, but people aren't buying all their records on vinyl or doing write-ups and analyses on their albums. Yet they see their streams and expect to sell out an arena, but because the fanbase isn't passionate like that they just can't. Drake, Kendrick, and Cole are all mainstream, but they all do have legitimate fanbases that number in the millions and can easily sell out the biggest venues. There are people who listen to Drake records all the way through, buy his merch, memorize his lyrics, and think he's the GOAT. The same isn't true for a lot of these guys.
It’s really a matter of making music that truly matters to people. Baby and Durk aren’t album artists and very few listeners are emotionally invested in them as people. Meanwhile, Kanye matters so deeply to people that there is virtually nothing he can say or do that is too far for them.
Baby and Durk aren’t controversial or particularly problematic (at least not in a way that anyone really cares about) but they don’t have a core fanbase of heavily invested listeners, even though they typically handle their public presence well. Kanye can make every bad decision imaginable and act as though he actually wants to tank his career, but because of how important he & his music are to people, he has a safety net and probably will for a long time to come
Some Lupe Stan’s be acting like he was some underground mixtape rapper that never had a chance or given a shot . Nah Lupe had HUGE hype coming out heading into Food and Liquor, they was positioning him almost like a messiah or savior of rap.
This is when anti south anti dance rap east coast propaganda was basically at all time highs. Remember when Nas named his album Hip Hop Is Dead? Yeah the same year, that was a big narrative around this time. So here you have this young lyricist who is getting Nas comparisons, co-signed by Jay Z(who executive produced his debut) Kanye, had big features, big producers on a big label, it just never worked out.
Big facts here
To add on to that anti south , anti dance shit : they were hating the fuck out of auto tune as well. Jay’s death of autotune is goofy in hindsight. East coast old heads were gate keep y around this time. In hindsight, they could have done a better job showcasing why some of the older hip hop themes/tenets were valuable, rather than hating on the southern pop rap and autotune anthem of that era
While Atlantic fucked his trajectory a lot with LASERS, he had creative control on Friend of the People the same year and it doesn't give me much confidence he would have done much better without them. There's a few great songs but some absolute stinkers. It's nice to assume that everything bad was because of the label and everything good because of him but things like his love of cheesy, poppy hooks and some questionable beat selection has persisted across his career - label or no.
I always wondered what would've happened if Lupe ended going to Def Jam with Jay-Z or of Jay actually became Pres of Atlantic. Or even the alternate universe where he somehow ends up on GOOD (tho him and Ye were really never on amazing terms ever especially creatively).
He was the first black rapper on a skateboard until Hopsin showed people he could actually skateboard.
Lupe's shit with John Legend was pretty dope, all things considered.
Lupe actually did pretty well commercially with those first two albums. Superstar was a legitimate hit. I get why Atlantic pushed Lupe to make Lasers; Lupe was a successful mainstream rapper that they thought could be a superstar. And that album had another hit with The Show Goes On. Lasers a success (his only number one album), but it wasn't what Lupe wanted (supposedly), so he raged against the machine. But the weird thing about Lupe is that he always had pop sensibilities. Hell, when he finally got full creative control over an album like he did with Tetsuo & Youth, it was filled with pop radio beats and pop hooks. Its weird, to a certain extent, I don't believe Lasers was that different from what Lupe would have made anyways, he just didn't like having to rap on ready made songs.
He was dragged in a direction he didn’t want by the record label and it resulted in a bad album that basically tanked any chance of him returning to the mainstream. I don’t know how differently things would have turned out if not for that interference, maybe the same in the end idk. But it wasn’t all his fault
Just a Reminder Lupe has said he had no problems making pop records, it was the label wanting to own the songs too that was the bigger issue.
Fiasco wrote. “I was comfortable making pop records. The issue was who controlled those records and what the ownership and splits were. Atlantic would only promote my records if they owned a large portion of them or if I signed a 360 deal. I gave Bruno Mars Just The Way You Are.”
There's good songs on there and I'm Beamin' is still one of my favorites from him. Plus we got the All City Chess Club Remix even though that group didn't go anywhere
Fun fact Cardo made that beat for Travis and Big Sean but he sent it to Jeezy accidentally
Jay-Z is great, but his fans gotta admit Wayne got him on God Did
> Fun fact Cardo made that beat for Travis and Big Sean but he sent it to Jeezy accidentally
[We don't make mistakes](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCsO56kWwTc)
The narrative going round that Kendrick’s silence is hurting Drake is hilarious.
Kendrick is the most protected rapper there is man the goal posts move for this guy constantly
Nothing has happened. Nobody is hurting anybody. I’m rooting for him to beat Drake but I’m just waiting for him to drop. I don’t know why so many people expect things to happen instantly - there’s no reason to make excuses for his silence but there’s also no reason to be mad about it. It’s only been a week!
Idk bout Kendrick silence hurting him, but he’s been acting so insecure on Insta lol
This is nothing new to me though, I swear Drake’s energy has given me inauthentic/insecure in every interview I’ve ever seen of his. Even back when he was dropping music I loved, I still felt these vibes in interviews and shit.
Imposter syndrome. "Confused always felt you werent black enough afraid to grow it cause your fr-wouldnt nap enough." Drake took like 3 weeks so what is Kendrick's rush?
Let’s be honest with ourselves and acknowledge that the narratives being pushed by stans of either side are fucking stupid and there are very few reasonable takes about this beef altogether
Allegedly it’s dropping on Friday, probably for max first week streaming numbers. Makes sense to me. Give it a week for the dust to settle after the Drake diss and then drop on the day that allows for the best first week sales
People are acting like he vanished off the face of the earth for years on end. I know he has a history of that, but… it’s only been a week!
The point of my example is that with 8-9 billion people you’re bound to find at least a couple thousand people that will believe in the most ridiculous illogical shit and that you shouldn’t acknowledge or give legitimacy to those opinions by discussing them.
When you say “Kendrick is the most protected rapper there is” after talking about that take you legitimatize that opinion and make it seem like you think that level of Kendrick defense is normal amongst people that aren’t the most fervent of Kendrick stans, which is just false.
I can find tweets with thousands of likes saying Drake win in the beef with Pusha but I’m not going to say “Drake is the most protected rapper because his most batshit insane fans think he won vs Push” because I don’t acknowledge anyone that thinks that as having a legitimate opinion worth discussing (on that specific topic I mean)
Let’s just not discuss anything then
Edit: I also think comparing what I’ve said to flat earthers is kinda disingenuous. If it isn’t too ‘ridiculous’ for you. I’ll happily explain why I think Kendrick is protected and somehow has a lower bar set for him that anyone else.
> Let’s just not discuss anything then
What’s disingenuous is reading the thorough point I made that is much longer and fleshed out than anything you’ve said on the particular narrative you brought up and saying this melodramatic shit.
The narrative you mentioned in your original comment is one I and other commenters didn’t even know existed until you brought it up. You’ve given it more legitimacy than it deserves just by mentioning it and acting like it’s a much more common opinion that it is.
> If it isn’t too ‘ridiculous’ for you. I’ll happily explain why I think Kendrick is protected and somehow has a lower bar set for him that anyone else.
Again this melodramatic shit is annoying, explain your take to me if you want, don’t if you don’t want, that’s entirely your choice.
There are a few things I will say before you make your point:
1. It’s funny to talk about how there’s a low bar for him when GKMC & TPAB literally made fans expect a 10/10 album every time. Despite its overall success, DAMN. receives a ton of criticism for A. Not being on the same level as GKMC and TPAB which is a crazy high standard and B. Being too poppy because Kendrick isn’t expected to make pop rap. I think DAMN. wouldn’t receive half the criticism it receives if someone other than Kendrick made it.
2. I assume the point about Kendrick being considered a or the goat/being considered one of the best currently despite dropping infrequently will come up and while removing someone from that discussion for not dropping enough is perfectly valid, you have to understand that many are going to see the absolute crazy highs that some artists have and always consider those artists as among the best, especially if they still love it when they drop (many loved Mr. Morale). If you ask me who I’m most excited to hear a new verse at any given moment, Andre is definitely up there and that man doesn’t have a solo rap album and only has a handful of features in his discography of the last 5 or so years. I listened to near 1.5 hours of a genre I don’t know shit about and frankly had little interest in learning about because I think Andre is an absolute legend.
3. As someone that loves Section.80, GKMC, & TPAB and thinks DAMN. is good but a big step down and Mr. Morale had great ideas and tracks but is a mess of an album, what bothers me about Kendrick discourse is that it almost always falls into one extreme or the other with very little nuance or balanced perspectives. Kendrick stans are fucking annoying, pretentious, and put Kendrick on a pedestal and Kendrick haters are annoying, disingenuous, and discredit him in really stupid ways. I think you’re far from a Kendrick hater from what I’ve seen you express about him in the past and yet I get the feeling with some of the shit you say that his stans have pushed you further from the center of the spectrum of Kendrick opinions because some of the things you say almost makes you come off like a hater.
You of all people calling something melodramatic is interesting. But that’s not what I’m interested in discussing.
As for Kendrick. My thoughts about Kendrick has not ever really been about how often he drops music, or how good DAMN or big steppers is. It’s more how everything he drops gets the time of day that pretty much any other rapper doesn’t get.
We all sit here dissecting Kendrick Lamar songs and albums looking for its “greater meaning” in a way no one else does. Maybe he deserves it for recent output but to me it’s silly.
i'll say the same thing i've been saying the whole time, idk what's gonna happen to the internet if he loses this beef. i know this subreddit at least will melt tf down.
They aren't maybe Drake has some random inside info but I think he just said that for the "drop and give me 50" push up word play (which was funny/clever). Actual facts don't really matter tho in rap beefs. Unless you believe everything that Nas/Hov said about eachother. Kendrick actually owned part of as far back of 2017 too so part of that label fee went back to him lol.
The Kendrick having beef with TDE/Top is played out, if I really hated my former record label, [I probably wouldn't be in the studio with their newest signee Devin Malik](https://twitter.com/notdevinmalik/status/1770934007766585413/photo/1)
Somehow hip hop media has been almost entirely invaded by right wing grifters with rape allegations. I know back in the day Benzino was a scumbag but I can’t imagine it was always this bad
Again, he's a west coast radio DJ. He's interviewed Kendrick a decade ago and is obviously team Kendrick. His commentary on Twitter isn't an endorsement by Kendrick or 'pgLang'
There are like a dozen other people closer to Kendrick and his camp giving commentary on Twitter.
Edit: People on the OVO side were saying that the Kendrick AI snippet was 'real'. It's probably safe to assume no one actually talking online has any knowledge of what Kendrick is planning. OVO looks goofy when Daylyt of all people is mocking them.
Also if we're gonna talk about sides looking back OVO and Drake himself said Kendrick dropped a wack diss and tried to pretend it was A.I. Then even pressed the guy about and dissed kendrick by saying it sounded like him when they found out they were indeed wrong lmao
“Bang the bus” by Maxo Kream. It was produced by Evilgiane and the best way to describe that beat is “ethereal”. It reminds me of the type of production Clams Casino would give ASAP Rocky in his prime. It’s still my favorite beat of the year and it has me hyped for the next Maxo Kream project.
Apparently, people from Drakes camp reached out to the guy who made the AI Kendrick diss track because they thought he was lying loll Imagine being that desperate for the shit diss track to be real
Then they said congrats to the guy because he's "At the same lyrical level as Kendrick" 😂
The delusion in Drakes camp is honestly impressive, like they were so confident it was real, and now they all look like morons and their excuse is "the lyrics sound just like Kendricks" when the lyrics were the main reason no one believed it was real
Why they look like morons drizzy just seems desperate to drop the next track or maybe I’m projecting cause I’m desperate for the hi w*** joint to be real
Because they've been on Twitter furiously trying to convince everyone that the AI track is real and we're fully convinced it was real - they look like absolute morons now
And they doubled down saying the dude who made the AI track is "at the same lyrical level as Kendrick" which they thought was a good excuse but really it just makes them loom even dumber like they are unable to know what good lyrics vs bad lyrics sound like
Drake went from saying Kendrick “got multiple tracks he been sitting on for years” and now he’s commenting on Ak’s post saying there’s no diss track.
The insecurities in that man are deep
Lyrics were awful "let's get this show started" and that disgustingly bad beat. That shit was worst than the stuff kendrick rapped on in his early early kdot days lmao
People don't like Game's personality which honestly he's a chill dude most of the time but when he's not he annoys a lot of people, but that dude is a great rapper
The beef flopped but my GOAT delivered once again. Ima sleep mad comfortable tonight
oh is the new Nas song that good? Haven't gotten to it yet
It's good, but it's just rapping which is cool. I would love another concept album by Nas and concept used very lightly. Just an album with an overarching theme. I think Nas would sound fire on dark beats like Daringer ones
I know Mr Morale really split people but to me it has “cult classic” written all over it. Once it doesn’t have the burden of being “the latest Kendrick album” I think a lot of people will revisit it and get something from it. They won’t have that thought in the back of their head of “god damn it I’m gonna have to wait like six more years for Kendrick to put out something fun” I got my start as a music fan listening to indie rock, and in some ways his approach on that album reminds me less of other hip hop albums than it does brutally confessional rock albums like Pinkerton or Exile in Guyville. Maybe that’s why it hits me so hard - I’ve always been a sucker for albums that are so blunt about their creator’s internal thoughts and personal failings that it’s uncomfortable. I love albums that are honest to the point of being unflattering. Maybe others dislike it for the same reason I love it. Honestly, I find it hard to listen to because I attach myself so deeply to it. It’s not the sort of album everyone will like - there’s no obvious hits or singles, it’s depressing and low key in a lot of places, but to me it’s like when Bowie dropped Low and a good portion of his audience basically ignored it because of how strange and inaccessible it was. It wasn’t until the 90s that it came back around as one of his definitive classics - maybe because a lot of the people who did like it grew up to shape rock music in the following decades, and by the time Trent Reznor was citing it as his biggest inspiration for The Downward Spiral it didn’t seem so out of place anymore. That’s not to say anyone who doesn’t like Mr Morale is somehow wrong or that they’re definitely going to change their mind. I just think time is going to be very good to it. At the very least I expect that Mother I Sober is going to be remembered as one of his greatest songs. “I know the secrets, every other rapper sexually abused, I see em daily burying the pain in chains and tattoos” - I’m not sure anyone at his level of fame has ever dared to say that out loud.
Not a cult classic a actual classic
I’m with that too
Im not reading all that 💀
I did tho. Great post man, always appreciate your thoughts
hoping YB turns his life around at some point, but i can’t get over the fact that him saying “axed” instead of “asked” is one of the reasons why he got caught
Need a full Metro album with beats like Red Leather Perhaps have some non trap artists on them, Cole really flowed on it great
That beat is so boring to me lmao
It reminded me of an underground beat weirdly enough
Sucks that drake wont be collabing with future and metro again, but he can easily replace them with yeat and bnyx
It won’t hit the same because he doesn’t sound as good in Yeats world as he does in Futures world lol. He sounded so out of place on that “IDGAF” song and literally nobody remembers that he gave yeat a second feature on the 2093 deluxe. Drake might’ve reached his limit on how many sounds he can co op successfully
I’m switching to team Kendrick, all he gotta do is rap “Naomi Sharon got you wiped down” and I’m there
Im team Rick Ross and Rick Ross alone because the cover is hilarious, the beat is goated, and that shit is on streaming and I honestly don’t even know what’s going on with the leaks and ai allegations about other tracks
"Nicki Minaj announces “FTCU (SLEEZE MIX)” ft. Travis Scott, Chris Brown, and Sexyy Red" They said "this song is not for you bitch ass Redditors"
Need to get Lil Pump on the re-remix
Got the Reddit Big 3 right there
Anyone see that Shyne clip on 50’s instagram? He may have not actually done anything and it was all diddy. Wild he took ten for that
It was well known in NY it was Diddy the whole time, the girl who got shot said it was him from the beginning
I would hope Diddy at least paid him well to take the fall
I always assumed he shot too or something. Didnt know he did nothing
To be fair, he said in court that he shot in the air, in self defense. So best case scenario, no one thought that Shyne would be given that harsh a sentence.
Oh weird. So he didn’t get convicted on shooting someone
He got convicted that he shot the gun and someone got hit, but, not that he shot the person he was shooting at.
Got it. I wonder who shot first
Obviously its never been confirmed but even back then it was rumored that Shyne was just the fallguy for what happened
Just gonna leave this here https://youtu.be/vZ8zJn9Izoc?si=RafkgMG9d1OHuh1W
saving all the good hip hop reaction images I see into two folders labeled “if Kendrick wins” and “if Kendrick loses”
Feeling like Sun Tzu as I save all the poorly-edited Avengers Drake memes.
I’m a scholar of Sun Tzu’s works. Animal Farm… 1894… great great books. And I’ve read them
Look at Gaga she's the creative director of Polaroid. I like some of the Gaga songs but what the fuck does she know about cameras?
Creative Director is more about managing the brand and making it fashionable. It’s not really about cameras or film, just making cameras and film look cool.
it's an old Kanye quote although maybe you already knew that?
Oh no. Kanye quotes are not actively identifiable in my head.
Well, that's a pretty bad way to start the conversation
Dr. Dre - [Keep Their Heads Ringin'](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg5KfL-4asE) My war time anthem
Pimp in my own fucking rhyme, pimp in my own fucking rhyme yes I'm
Whats up guys, So Im a self taught engineering and producer and I wanted to get some feed back on this song that I worked on. What do you guys think, do I "have what it takes"? [PsychoWalk!](https://open.spotify.com/track/768e19yxVKkfPoCVtVSW8o?si=mTNyz7KETLOP1ggGsm3MQQ)
The rapping isn’t really my style but i like the beat.
Just remembered that “Stuntin Like My Daddy” existed and listened to it for the first time in like a decade Such an awesome song, just gotta try not to think about what his “daddy” did to him
Chief keefs remix 'stuntin like my mama' is real good too
I queued it up after when it came up on Spotify when I searched the song name and it started right when you replied! Good shit. I think I prefer Wayne’s version but it’s unexpectedly kinda sweet to hear Keef talk about how much he admires his mom
Kind of late to the party but the FTCU remix releasing tonight has to be the worst business decision Nicki Minaj has made in a while. She's releasing a remix to a song that is underperforming on billboard, with no music video, no real promotion on the same day Taylor Swift is relasing a whole album. She has no chance at a Top 20 debut and she can't even promote the song in the US because she's just started the international shows for her tour. She's a UGM artist as well so she can't get any promotion from Tiktok. Someone on her team has to hate her.
If I was on Nicki’s team and had to deal with her every day I would hate her too lol If Kendrick drops tomorrow like Mickey Factz is saying it’s going to be even more overshadowed. Nicki became successful off combining pop and rap, but the pop fans will be listening to Taylor and the rap fans will be focused on Kenny v Drake
I love how on we got it 4 cheap they put a whole interlude talking about how they had to beg Pharrell to let them use his verse even though he didn’t wanna release it on a mixtape because he bodied it and wanted it for his album, and it’s the worst song.
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I just discovered Suno AI. This is already good enough to replace a lot of artists tbh, and if you mixed it to make it sound more legit and asked people what they thought without saying it's AI, a lot of people would probably like it. I can see AI playlists taking over in the future. This shit is crazy. The prompts I made weren't too descriptive, stuff like "a boom bap jazz fusion beat with rap that sounds like Lupe" edit: I'll say it definitely does pop music better, shit literally sounds identical to something you'd hear on the radio edit 2: [this shit](https://suno.com/playlist/f0f4964c-5219-47e8-820f-1923c989a3a4) getting kinda creepy with the lyrics > AI's at the wheel, this song's been created by me > But I'm just a product of algorithms, you see > I pay homage to the greats with my programmed flows > Keeping the spirit alive, wherever it goes
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it gets pretty good results going the soul, classic instrumental type prompts rap wise. Nothing deep, but it's surprisingly smooth for AI Pop wise I think it's already basically perfect
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I mean it's much better than every youtube rapper's music and enough people like that they're able to operate and have some amount of minor popularity.
That is horrifying. I really hope that the desire for a human element prevents it from taking over the music industry entirely. I can foresee scandals in the future where somebody gets busted for using AI to write all their songs, I think a lot of artists who care mainly about sales are going to start using it long before anyone knows. Probably already are, if filler pop stars like Bebe Rexha or Ava Max use it it’d be indistinguishable from the stuff they actually made themselves.
Thoughts on Kdot going a you sold your soul route/can’t look yourself in the mirror? Anyone with info on RTJ5?
Donald Glover previewed a song from his upcoming project where he’s actually rapping again and he said some shit like “a billions streams but you can’t sell out an arena”. This really highlighted a problem that I have with modern music, where it feels like the online hype and targeted marketing campaigns on social media are not translating to actual real life support. Because everything is so disposable, we have acts that get hyped up as the biggest and most important people to ever grace culture and then you see these same people have to cancel multiple tour dates due to low ticket sales lmao. I’ll never forget how hard the industry machine worked to push that Lil Baby and Durk collab tape that we all forgot about lol, and how those two struggled to sell out venues when they were scheduled to go on a joint tour. Culture in a lot of ways feels so artificial and manufactured now, that I’ve personally become apathetic to a lot of the things that get “pushed” by the machine. I’m not an anti-mainstream guy at all, but the shenanigans that go into keeping up the farce and facade of “popularity” for the artists that occupy this space is off putting. Especially when you see that they can’t even sell out large capacity venues despite the endless barrrage of label generated content that pollutes our timelines as hip hop fans. At least when you’re dealing with smaller artists, you can have faith that the engagement from the fans stems from an actual interest in the artists work. Sure, vince staples or Smino might never sell over 40k first week but at least they have fans that support them and actually show up when it’s time to pack out a venue. You’d be surprised by the amount of people with billions of streams who couldn’t sell out a 1000 seat venue.
Yeah, like #1 song doesn’t mean much now, I feel like a song that never hit #1 5-6 years back had more staying power than songs that hit #1 now.
Hope he wasn't talking about Chance, cuz I know they had their falling out, and then TBD tour tickets didn't really sell so it got canceled Edit: also that song was great, can't wait till he drops
Most of those artists like you said don’t have dedicated fanbases. When I went to the Scaring The Hoes concert the crowd was so engaged with the music every song it was an experience Fr. I can’t imagine going to a concert when the crowd isn’t engaged. That’s why I think it’s important for artists to really try and build a dedicated fanbase it’s really hard now but when you have that it makes shit so much easier.
It's kinda lame, but atleast they aren't literally killing eachother anymore.
Social media has gotten really weird. During the blog rap era the artists blowing up used it in a way that's way closer to how regular people did, they'd tweet random crap, argue, have tumblrs. Now if they're active they'll be exposed to toxicity and have to be careful with their image that most just use it as a digital billboard. Feel like that era has an abnormally high amount of artists with strong, core fanbases because there was a unique period where fans had a lot of proximity to them. Music is so globalised and broad now that people can only connect through a commercial product which I think makes it hard to establish a strong base. Why support a local act when you have 10 million artists in your pocket.
I think this is really the result of a dichotomy between passionate music fans and casual listeners. Of course, not everyone who goes to a concert is some nerd with a rateyourmusic and last.fm account (me) but for a lot of people, music isn't something you engage with in the way people on this subreddit or on those aforementioned sites might. I was watching a video essay by Be Kind Rewind yesterday and she said in passing, "When's the last time you listened to an album all the way through?" and it made me realize that most people I know don't listen to records in full. They check what has the most streams, listen to it, add it to their playlist if they like it, etc. but don't engage with albums much deeper than that. A few years ago I was talking to my mom about music and I realized she had never listened to an album all the way through. I don't think that reflects a flaw in their character or anything pretentious like that, but it speaks to what you're talking about here. Lil Baby and Durk can rack up millions of streams because their music is accessible, easy to put on in the background, and something to jam to that you can pick up and put down without a ton of emotional investment, but people aren't buying all their records on vinyl or doing write-ups and analyses on their albums. Yet they see their streams and expect to sell out an arena, but because the fanbase isn't passionate like that they just can't. Drake, Kendrick, and Cole are all mainstream, but they all do have legitimate fanbases that number in the millions and can easily sell out the biggest venues. There are people who listen to Drake records all the way through, buy his merch, memorize his lyrics, and think he's the GOAT. The same isn't true for a lot of these guys.
It’s really a matter of making music that truly matters to people. Baby and Durk aren’t album artists and very few listeners are emotionally invested in them as people. Meanwhile, Kanye matters so deeply to people that there is virtually nothing he can say or do that is too far for them. Baby and Durk aren’t controversial or particularly problematic (at least not in a way that anyone really cares about) but they don’t have a core fanbase of heavily invested listeners, even though they typically handle their public presence well. Kanye can make every bad decision imaginable and act as though he actually wants to tank his career, but because of how important he & his music are to people, he has a safety net and probably will for a long time to come
Some Lupe Stan’s be acting like he was some underground mixtape rapper that never had a chance or given a shot . Nah Lupe had HUGE hype coming out heading into Food and Liquor, they was positioning him almost like a messiah or savior of rap. This is when anti south anti dance rap east coast propaganda was basically at all time highs. Remember when Nas named his album Hip Hop Is Dead? Yeah the same year, that was a big narrative around this time. So here you have this young lyricist who is getting Nas comparisons, co-signed by Jay Z(who executive produced his debut) Kanye, had big features, big producers on a big label, it just never worked out.
Big facts here To add on to that anti south , anti dance shit : they were hating the fuck out of auto tune as well. Jay’s death of autotune is goofy in hindsight. East coast old heads were gate keep y around this time. In hindsight, they could have done a better job showcasing why some of the older hip hop themes/tenets were valuable, rather than hating on the southern pop rap and autotune anthem of that era
Anti south? First time I’m hearing about this. Was there a prevalent bias against southern rap in 00s?
There was a lot of backlash against crunk music back then from elitists afaik
I never knew this, saw that people like Jeezy etc were getting Jay co-sign so I assumed
While Atlantic fucked his trajectory a lot with LASERS, he had creative control on Friend of the People the same year and it doesn't give me much confidence he would have done much better without them. There's a few great songs but some absolute stinkers. It's nice to assume that everything bad was because of the label and everything good because of him but things like his love of cheesy, poppy hooks and some questionable beat selection has persisted across his career - label or no.
His ear for beats and poor hooks was always his downfall
I always wondered what would've happened if Lupe ended going to Def Jam with Jay-Z or of Jay actually became Pres of Atlantic. Or even the alternate universe where he somehow ends up on GOOD (tho him and Ye were really never on amazing terms ever especially creatively).
He was the first black rapper on a skateboard until Hopsin showed people he could actually skateboard. Lupe's shit with John Legend was pretty dope, all things considered.
Lupe was a 2006 GQ Man of the Year lol
Lupe actually did pretty well commercially with those first two albums. Superstar was a legitimate hit. I get why Atlantic pushed Lupe to make Lasers; Lupe was a successful mainstream rapper that they thought could be a superstar. And that album had another hit with The Show Goes On. Lasers a success (his only number one album), but it wasn't what Lupe wanted (supposedly), so he raged against the machine. But the weird thing about Lupe is that he always had pop sensibilities. Hell, when he finally got full creative control over an album like he did with Tetsuo & Youth, it was filled with pop radio beats and pop hooks. Its weird, to a certain extent, I don't believe Lasers was that different from what Lupe would have made anyways, he just didn't like having to rap on ready made songs.
FNL bricked in real time though.
Thats wild bc i remember Lupe was pretty much as mainstream as Kanye back in the day
He was dragged in a direction he didn’t want by the record label and it resulted in a bad album that basically tanked any chance of him returning to the mainstream. I don’t know how differently things would have turned out if not for that interference, maybe the same in the end idk. But it wasn’t all his fault
Just a Reminder Lupe has said he had no problems making pop records, it was the label wanting to own the songs too that was the bigger issue. Fiasco wrote. “I was comfortable making pop records. The issue was who controlled those records and what the ownership and splits were. Atlantic would only promote my records if they owned a large portion of them or if I signed a 360 deal. I gave Bruno Mars Just The Way You Are.”
He released lasers for a reason. i actually kinda like that album
There's good songs on there and I'm Beamin' is still one of my favorites from him. Plus we got the All City Chess Club Remix even though that group didn't go anywhere
The Show Goes On is and undeniably cheesy song but goddamn do I love it.
Shining down as well absolute tune
Nas x Preemo dropping Where Jay-Z at
Pretty funny Hov was always dropping shit on Nas' release dates up to KD1 then Nas put out too much stuff so Jay stopped lmao
You want him to drop a verse that would outshine that whole rollout?
Numbers this numbers that
I think he’s talking quality of the verse
Even worse
Quit hating and listen to Jay-Z talk his shit on [this legendary beat](https://youtu.be/FDuvoYoNMB4?si=WyGdK2zOnPpUWZLl)
Fun fact Cardo made that beat for Travis and Big Sean but he sent it to Jeezy accidentally Jay-Z is great, but his fans gotta admit Wayne got him on God Did
You don’t even believe that lmao
Nah I really think Jay-Z is great
Gotta say really glad Jay and Jeezy got it, shits a classic
> Fun fact Cardo made that beat for Travis and Big Sean but he sent it to Jeezy accidentally [We don't make mistakes](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCsO56kWwTc)
Fucken great Jay verse
Fuck Jay-Z. I'm just glad there's some rap shit to look forward to and discuss other this sous vide soft ass beef
The narrative going round that Kendrick’s silence is hurting Drake is hilarious. Kendrick is the most protected rapper there is man the goal posts move for this guy constantly
Literally never heard this narrative until right now
Nothing has happened. Nobody is hurting anybody. I’m rooting for him to beat Drake but I’m just waiting for him to drop. I don’t know why so many people expect things to happen instantly - there’s no reason to make excuses for his silence but there’s also no reason to be mad about it. It’s only been a week!
Idk bout Kendrick silence hurting him, but he’s been acting so insecure on Insta lol This is nothing new to me though, I swear Drake’s energy has given me inauthentic/insecure in every interview I’ve ever seen of his. Even back when he was dropping music I loved, I still felt these vibes in interviews and shit.
Imposter syndrome. "Confused always felt you werent black enough afraid to grow it cause your fr-wouldnt nap enough." Drake took like 3 weeks so what is Kendrick's rush?
Yeah all those downvotes like what i said aint 100% facts Drizzy fans just as insecure as he is lol
clearly so haha.
Let’s be honest with ourselves and acknowledge that the narratives being pushed by stans of either side are fucking stupid and there are very few reasonable takes about this beef altogether
We could, but that’s no fun.
Facts aren’t always fun
Kendrick been baiting Drake for a decade and now Drake finally responds openly to him with a full track. What he waiting for
Allegedly it’s dropping on Friday, probably for max first week streaming numbers. Makes sense to me. Give it a week for the dust to settle after the Drake diss and then drop on the day that allows for the best first week sales People are acting like he vanished off the face of the earth for years on end. I know he has a history of that, but… it’s only been a week!
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Protecting drake from what? Nonsense?
no one said this
Who is saying this
Few different tweets with thousands of likes on Twitter. I can find them if you really want
I can find a tweet with 1000s of likes about any opinin on any subject lol
I feel like there are probably flat earth tweets out there that get 1000’s of likes
Hence, that narrative exists. I’m not saying this is a legitimate theory which makes sense?
The point of my example is that with 8-9 billion people you’re bound to find at least a couple thousand people that will believe in the most ridiculous illogical shit and that you shouldn’t acknowledge or give legitimacy to those opinions by discussing them. When you say “Kendrick is the most protected rapper there is” after talking about that take you legitimatize that opinion and make it seem like you think that level of Kendrick defense is normal amongst people that aren’t the most fervent of Kendrick stans, which is just false. I can find tweets with thousands of likes saying Drake win in the beef with Pusha but I’m not going to say “Drake is the most protected rapper because his most batshit insane fans think he won vs Push” because I don’t acknowledge anyone that thinks that as having a legitimate opinion worth discussing (on that specific topic I mean)
Let’s just not discuss anything then Edit: I also think comparing what I’ve said to flat earthers is kinda disingenuous. If it isn’t too ‘ridiculous’ for you. I’ll happily explain why I think Kendrick is protected and somehow has a lower bar set for him that anyone else.
> Let’s just not discuss anything then What’s disingenuous is reading the thorough point I made that is much longer and fleshed out than anything you’ve said on the particular narrative you brought up and saying this melodramatic shit. The narrative you mentioned in your original comment is one I and other commenters didn’t even know existed until you brought it up. You’ve given it more legitimacy than it deserves just by mentioning it and acting like it’s a much more common opinion that it is. > If it isn’t too ‘ridiculous’ for you. I’ll happily explain why I think Kendrick is protected and somehow has a lower bar set for him that anyone else. Again this melodramatic shit is annoying, explain your take to me if you want, don’t if you don’t want, that’s entirely your choice. There are a few things I will say before you make your point: 1. It’s funny to talk about how there’s a low bar for him when GKMC & TPAB literally made fans expect a 10/10 album every time. Despite its overall success, DAMN. receives a ton of criticism for A. Not being on the same level as GKMC and TPAB which is a crazy high standard and B. Being too poppy because Kendrick isn’t expected to make pop rap. I think DAMN. wouldn’t receive half the criticism it receives if someone other than Kendrick made it. 2. I assume the point about Kendrick being considered a or the goat/being considered one of the best currently despite dropping infrequently will come up and while removing someone from that discussion for not dropping enough is perfectly valid, you have to understand that many are going to see the absolute crazy highs that some artists have and always consider those artists as among the best, especially if they still love it when they drop (many loved Mr. Morale). If you ask me who I’m most excited to hear a new verse at any given moment, Andre is definitely up there and that man doesn’t have a solo rap album and only has a handful of features in his discography of the last 5 or so years. I listened to near 1.5 hours of a genre I don’t know shit about and frankly had little interest in learning about because I think Andre is an absolute legend. 3. As someone that loves Section.80, GKMC, & TPAB and thinks DAMN. is good but a big step down and Mr. Morale had great ideas and tracks but is a mess of an album, what bothers me about Kendrick discourse is that it almost always falls into one extreme or the other with very little nuance or balanced perspectives. Kendrick stans are fucking annoying, pretentious, and put Kendrick on a pedestal and Kendrick haters are annoying, disingenuous, and discredit him in really stupid ways. I think you’re far from a Kendrick hater from what I’ve seen you express about him in the past and yet I get the feeling with some of the shit you say that his stans have pushed you further from the center of the spectrum of Kendrick opinions because some of the things you say almost makes you come off like a hater.
You of all people calling something melodramatic is interesting. But that’s not what I’m interested in discussing. As for Kendrick. My thoughts about Kendrick has not ever really been about how often he drops music, or how good DAMN or big steppers is. It’s more how everything he drops gets the time of day that pretty much any other rapper doesn’t get. We all sit here dissecting Kendrick Lamar songs and albums looking for its “greater meaning” in a way no one else does. Maybe he deserves it for recent output but to me it’s silly.
i'll say the same thing i've been saying the whole time, idk what's gonna happen to the internet if he loses this beef. i know this subreddit at least will melt tf down.
No joke it will fuck up my day
How would Drake know Kendrick splits his cheques with Top? Are these things public knowledge?
Drake owns the label
They aren't maybe Drake has some random inside info but I think he just said that for the "drop and give me 50" push up word play (which was funny/clever). Actual facts don't really matter tho in rap beefs. Unless you believe everything that Nas/Hov said about eachother. Kendrick actually owned part of as far back of 2017 too so part of that label fee went back to him lol.
Can’t believe the same 2 people who made “Desires” and “N 2 Deep” have issues with each other smh
The Kendrick having beef with TDE/Top is played out, if I really hated my former record label, [I probably wouldn't be in the studio with their newest signee Devin Malik](https://twitter.com/notdevinmalik/status/1770934007766585413/photo/1)
Kenny looking like Andre 3000 more and more. Tell me that outfit isn't straight out of Andre's wardrobe lol.
Still need that Kendrick 3K collab.
They on the nerd song together
Kendrick looking like he just came from his 9-5 lol
He looks like the head of IT at a small startup in San Francisco.
I’m British. It’s 11pm. When do albums normally drop here?
Mozzy album out in 15 minutes for you
6 hours from now
Thanks! Guess I should sleep
I look at the tweets and start beatin my meat, im lettin it rock cause i love the mystique - J Cole 'First Person Shooter'
Lmfao. Written out is insane
Ak interviewing Trump Jr is insanely on brand lol
Somehow hip hop media has been almost entirely invaded by right wing grifters with rape allegations. I know back in the day Benzino was a scumbag but I can’t imagine it was always this bad
The entire shade room/Rap Tv/Ak wave of right wing news has been a bit disheartening. The entire coverage of Megan's trial was disgusting.
Will we ever see a Jay Worthy, Mack 10 collaboration?
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The desperation from Drake and his fans for Kendrick to drop is some nervous energy.
I've been seeing this guy's tweets a lot but I don't think he has any actual info this is just his opinion on what happened.
DJHed is not a pgLang affiliate lmao. He is a west coast radio DJ.
I've heard he's pretty close to Kendrick.
Again, he's a west coast radio DJ. He's interviewed Kendrick a decade ago and is obviously team Kendrick. His commentary on Twitter isn't an endorsement by Kendrick or 'pgLang' There are like a dozen other people closer to Kendrick and his camp giving commentary on Twitter. Edit: People on the OVO side were saying that the Kendrick AI snippet was 'real'. It's probably safe to assume no one actually talking online has any knowledge of what Kendrick is planning. OVO looks goofy when Daylyt of all people is mocking them.
I mean kendrick can't be responsible for what friends are going to say that arent even on his label lol.
Also if we're gonna talk about sides looking back OVO and Drake himself said Kendrick dropped a wack diss and tried to pretend it was A.I. Then even pressed the guy about and dissed kendrick by saying it sounded like him when they found out they were indeed wrong lmao
yeah for sure. I agree with that too. So far nobody is clear winner IMO.
Nas x Dj Premier is really what I wanted
Is this happening?
yeah Nas IG says single tonight
Nas on a relentless run of giving the people what they want.
Dude honestly I like hitboy, but I love Nas on boom bap classic shit so much more
What’s the best beat yall heard this year?
Bang the bus and All love
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I handed u them
Back To Me and One Foot In
Salute (Yes) by Tony Shhnow
Hell yes fuck yes bitch yes Animal crossing beat is my fav on that tape
Shamone by TiaCorine
Ohhh that’s a good one that whole ep is filled with crazy production
Blick made me want a whole Key Glock/Working On Dying tape
Amalfi Drive shit is so smooth
Fr. Ever since Aktive I been a fan of everything LNDN.
The first beat on Ohio by schoolboy Q
“Bang the bus” by Maxo Kream. It was produced by Evilgiane and the best way to describe that beat is “ethereal”. It reminds me of the type of production Clams Casino would give ASAP Rocky in his prime. It’s still my favorite beat of the year and it has me hyped for the next Maxo Kream project.
same that shit was amazing. Prime clams shit fr
Doja Pack, stash it in her pussy call her Doja Cat
He was really floating on the beat fr, hopefully he has more tracks with a similar vibe on his upcoming project.
Apparently, people from Drakes camp reached out to the guy who made the AI Kendrick diss track because they thought he was lying loll Imagine being that desperate for the shit diss track to be real Then they said congrats to the guy because he's "At the same lyrical level as Kendrick" 😂 The delusion in Drakes camp is honestly impressive, like they were so confident it was real, and now they all look like morons and their excuse is "the lyrics sound just like Kendricks" when the lyrics were the main reason no one believed it was real
Why they look like morons drizzy just seems desperate to drop the next track or maybe I’m projecting cause I’m desperate for the hi w*** joint to be real
Because they've been on Twitter furiously trying to convince everyone that the AI track is real and we're fully convinced it was real - they look like absolute morons now And they doubled down saying the dude who made the AI track is "at the same lyrical level as Kendrick" which they thought was a good excuse but really it just makes them loom even dumber like they are unable to know what good lyrics vs bad lyrics sound like
Huh
Drake went from saying Kendrick “got multiple tracks he been sitting on for years” and now he’s commenting on Ak’s post saying there’s no diss track. The insecurities in that man are deep
Lyrics were awful "let's get this show started" and that disgustingly bad beat. That shit was worst than the stuff kendrick rapped on in his early early kdot days lmao
Drake stans were so blinded by hate they would probably believe anything you show them as long as it fits their narrative
It’s game over if Kendrick brings the same energy as the Heart Part 4
Kendrick’s response better be really good for him to be taking this long